[SLUG] SCSI CD Problem

[Jason Rennie]

Hi all,

I just installed a new tekram SCSI Card in my linux box, and i;ve attached
a scanner an an old SCSI cd i have to it. 

The scanner works well, but the kernel assigned /dev/sr0 to the cdrom.

Now this is a problem as i dont have a /dev/sr0 and dont know how to
create one.

I know this is a kind of basic question but this is my first real
experience with SCSI outside of a sparc (and they all get autodetected
nicely with the install there)

Jason


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Re: [SLUG] Routing question

[Howard Lowndes]

Wouldn't adding routes to the routing tables in the two Linux boxes to
point to each other over its respective FR link interface do the job.
Then each intranet LAN goes to the Linux box which then routes to the FR
or to the Internet depending on the route tables and the destination IP
that is being presented.

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On Wed, 14 Feb 2001, Des Wass wrote:

> I have a small dilema that is going to cause me big trouble tomorrow.
>
> I have two sites, Sydney and Melbourne, with a linux gateway at each site.
> There is an ISDN link from each to the Internet. Each network in Sydney and
> Melbourne is also connected via a permanent Frame link.
>
> This company has an intranet site and a telnet application which they run as
> core-critical.
>
> What they want to run the telnet and intranet over the frame link and
> everything else over the internet links as follows:
>
>
>   ---Internet-LINUX---LAN
>|
>|
>   Frame-Relay
> (Ports 80 and 23 only)
>|
>|
>   ---Internet-LINUX---LAN
>
>
> What is the best way to do this?
>
>
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Re: [SLUG] LIL- (lilo even)

[Ian Ward]

second stage boot is boot.b

Looks like lilo can't load boot.b
Do you have "linear" option enabled in lilo.conf
"Linear" allows lilo to use LBA (logical Block Addressing) to get to the
second stage boot.  Without it you are stuck with the old BIOS < 1024
Cylinder problem

Where is the boot partition, is the whole /boot partition below 8Gig LBA
limit.

Load the rescue environment, do a chroot, do a mkbootdisk --device /dev/fd0
blahblah to get yourself out of trouble.


- Original Message -
From: "Dean Hamstead" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2001 4:30 PM
Subject: [SLUG] LIL- (lilo even)


> i get LIL- at boot on one of our servers.
> Not being silly, i read the lilo docs and it idicates this occurs
> when something is wrong with /boot/map
>
> so i fire up a repair disk, remove /boot/map, lilo, installed linux *
> reset. same thing
>
> i have copied the kernel and tried booting to that, lilo -l as well
>
> the system is a dual p3 800, gig of ran, dual eepro100, one adaptec
> 2100s and one 3200s with alot of 17 gig ibm scsi disks.
>
> turbolinux server 6 with lots of dean-hat changes (aka compiles from
> source. kernel, x 4, blackbox, you name it)
>
> it was booting before and now its just playing the fool for some reason.
>
> as you can imagine i would like it up again asap! help!
>
> Dean
>
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[SLUG] Routing question

[Des Wass]

I have a small dilema that is going to cause me big trouble tomorrow.

I have two sites, Sydney and Melbourne, with a linux gateway at each site.
There is an ISDN link from each to the Internet. Each network in Sydney and
Melbourne is also connected via a permanent Frame link.

This company has an intranet site and a telnet application which they run as
core-critical.

What they want to run the telnet and intranet over the frame link and
everything else over the internet links as follows:


  ---Internet-LINUX---LAN
   |
   |
  Frame-Relay
(Ports 80 and 23 only)
   |
   |
  ---Internet-LINUX---LAN


What is the best way to do this?


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Re: [SLUG] Tekram SCSI Cards

[John Ferlito]

On Tue, Feb 13, 2001 at 10:17:50AM +1100, David Kempe wrote:
> Anyone who can get stuff off TechPac i think.
> That means most computer stores can order it in for you.

Also I think e-store will sell you anything that techpac does and
deliver it for free. You might need to know the tech pac part number
though.


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RE: [SLUG] Tekram SCSI Cards

[David Kempe]

Anyone who can get stuff off TechPac i think.
That means most computer stores can order it in for you.


dave


> Now i have a small problem. Apart from the computer markets, does anybody
> know where I can pick on up ?
>
> Assuming the price is reasonable, I was hoping ot have the scanner running
> before the end of the weekend as it is needed.
>
> I've looked about, but nobody sells the things.


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[SLUG] LIL- (lilo even)

[Dean Hamstead]

i get LIL- at boot on one of our servers.
Not being silly, i read the lilo docs and it idicates this occurs
when something is wrong with /boot/map

so i fire up a repair disk, remove /boot/map, lilo, installed linux *
reset. same thing

i have copied the kernel and tried booting to that, lilo -l as well

the system is a dual p3 800, gig of ran, dual eepro100, one adaptec 
2100s and one 3200s with alot of 17 gig ibm scsi disks.

turbolinux server 6 with lots of dean-hat changes (aka compiles from 
source. kernel, x 4, blackbox, you name it)

it was booting before and now its just playing the fool for some reason.

as you can imagine i would like it up again asap! help!

Dean


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RE: [SLUG] antivirus solution????

[David Kempe]

AVP for Linux.
www.avp.com.au


the server version has a sendmail plugin that works very nicely

dave


> In light of the current situation could anyone suggest software/a way of
> scanning emails as they come in or go out of a linux email 
> gateway. Its just
> running sendmail.


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RE: Deliberate Virus??? WAS [SLUG] Here you have, ;o)

[David Kempe]

> John, anyone else who got it
>
> It was completely innocent, I was half asleep when I opended the email, my
> anti virus software failed.
>
> I am a joke, shouldn't be let near computers etc, I have taken myself out
> the back and given myself a damn good thrashing.
>
> my apologies

Relax. I never thought for a moment it was deliberate :)
Never attribute to malice that which can adequately be explained by
stupidity. :-)

Really, this is just a very harmless worm. It doesn't do that much damage
aside from use up resources.

Dave


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[SLUG] Problems with an expect script

[Antony Stace]

Hi Folks

I am having problems with a simple expect script.  The contents are

x
#!/usr/bin/expect -f 
set addy devmachine
set user devuser
set password PASSWORD

spawn telnet -l $user $addy

expect "user name:"
send "$user\r"

expect "password:"
send "$password\r"  (1)

interact (2)

xxx
this works fine.  When I want to set up some environment variables and a
few other things between (1) and (2),
ie

[snip]
expect "devmachine:"   #looking for the command prompt
send "resize\r"
[snip]

the script always logs on ok, then it stalls for about 10 seconds with
the message of the day followed by
  
^[[13;80R

after this annoying pause I eventually get the command prompt without
any of my commands being run.  I have tried putting a sleep 3 between
(1) and (2) but it doesnt seem to help.

Can someone please suggest how I might fix this.

Cheers

Tony

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RE: [SLUG] Antivirus solution????

[tom burkart]

I am only running sendmail and am using AVP rather
successfully.  Admittedly, I don't really like how it is implemented but
it is efficient, works (ie. catches the viruses).  Some clever person
patched sendmail to incorporate the linkage to the antivirus system which
passes every piece of mail to the antivirus  software.  It is written for
AVP but will accomodate other products as well.

I believe the way to do it is through libmilter.  Sadly, I don't have the
time and I am not sure wether libmilter is stable enough yet. (Libmilter
is a part of the sendmail distribution).

tom.
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Re: [SLUG] "Anna Kournikova" email worm - disinfection

[Jobst Schmalenbach]

On Wed, Feb 14, 2001 at 10:54:13AM +1100, Crossfire ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> Jobst Schmalenbach was once rumoured to have said:
> > On Tue, Feb 13, 2001 at 10:49:48PM +0800, Mike Holland ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) 
>wrote:
> > >   Worse, such instructions a a distraction from the real problem, which is
> > > to educate users on basic computer hygiene. The next version might not be
> > > so benign!
> > >   And anti-microsoft rants dont help. It could just as easily be a perl
> > 
> > It *IS* after all MICROSOFT who makes the user stupid, eh
> > 
> > > script targeting Linux.  The weak link is the user, not the OS.
> > 
> > As said above, Linus users are NOT stupid as Linux reqiures SOME knowledge
> > to be used.
> 
> Yes, but this is the wrong direction - you obviously missed maddog's
> keynote at LCA.
> 
> Maddog highlighted several points which I've been thinking for some
> time - people want to use something that is simple and easy to use -
> they don't want to have to think.
> 
> Computing Eliteism will not win the platform war for anybody.  
> 
> Things need to make sense, they need to be consistant.  It should be
> entirely possible to build a system where basic/introductary users
> can't burn their fingers easily, but advanced/experienced users can
> disable the safety net.


A problem is that Microsoft is trying to tell the user that you
can do everything yourself:

 * changing the operating system,
 * applying service packs
 * changing hardware
 * adding/taking out hardware

but fail to observe that the average Mr. John Bloggs cant do that and
still trying to make their operating systems to go that way.
That is the same as you have a Merc and you:

 * change the carburettor
 * change the clutch
 * add a compressor
 * change brakes

Most people bring the car to a garage and they are NOT told by the manufacturer
of the software "running" the car that they can "do it yourself".
Lets assume you have a nice and real expensive fast car.
You wouldnt bring it to a company where the guy in the workshop has the
alternative of some of Microsofts MC** stuff, would you and neither would
anybody else ..



Furthermore if a company can decide that what the current standard is (eg HTML and IE) 
than something is terribly wrong.

Furthermore if a company decides to be innovative just to make it different (a 
difference???) 
to anybody else something is terribly wrong.



And one of the biggest problems we have has to do with the philosophy of *ANY* company.
If you work for a company you adhere to the philosophy/standards/products/marketing of 
THAT 
company. Now if a compnay grows really really large than everybody within that company 
follows
that philosophy (speak tunnel view).

So a lot of smaller companies will innovate to a much higher extend that one large 
company
because each of the companies has their way of doing things.

This is what really gets me.
We have been standing still or even have been going backwards for years now.
I cant even imagine where we might be without Micorsofts politics .




jobst



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Re: [SLUG] Mozilla

[Andrew Reilly]

On Tue, Feb 13, 2001 at 09:18:31PM +, Rev Simon Rumble wrote:
> 
> Why didn't Mozilla concentrate on writing a good web browser instead
> of a mail reader, news reader, Swiss Army Knife and kitchen sink?
> 

Well, if their toolkits were a bit more efficient, it would
actually be one of (if not the) nicest MUAs available for Unix,
IMHO.  As it is, it's pretty but slow.  It does IMAP fairly
nicely (but so does TkRat), it does MIME, and displays images
in-line (so does TkRat).  It finds URLs and turns them into
hyperlinks (so does TkRat).  It displays HTML messages in-line.
You can argue against that all you like, but sometimes it's
useful, and the popularity of such things is only likely to
increase.  It doesn't do PGP, which is a bit of a drag.

Anyone know of a better MUA (in the gestalt
aesthetic/functionality sense)?

I use slrn for news, but miss the ability to click on URLs.  So
I went and built PAN, on a recommendation from the BPA linux
newsgroup.  Yeah, it's fairly pretty, but the traditional
newsreader use of "spacebar" to mean "do the next obvious thing"
is gone.  It's significantly more painful to actually use than
slrn, and *it doesn't do URL finding/activation*!  What's the
point of that?  That should be a given, in this day and age.

> Now can someone tell me why when one Mozilla locks up, it locks up
> everything?  I mean the news reader, all other Mozilla windows,
> everything?  Shouldn't they be quite seperate applications?

The trouble here is that it seems that they've built their own
platform-independance shim/aka MozillaOS, on which all of the
other stuff is built.  If that crashes or locks-up, then
naturally your whole MozillaOS platform and everything running
on it is locked up.  Crappy design, I agree.  Their project
goals are much larger than we're looking for here, though,
because they care about working on Windows and Macintosh and VMS
and whatever, and we just don't.

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Re: [SLUG] "Anna Kournikova" email worm - disinfection

[Crossfire]

Jobst Schmalenbach was once rumoured to have said:
> On Tue, Feb 13, 2001 at 10:49:48PM +0800, Mike Holland ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) 
>wrote:
> >   Worse, such instructions a a distraction from the real problem, which is
> > to educate users on basic computer hygiene. The next version might not be
> > so benign!
> >   And anti-microsoft rants dont help. It could just as easily be a perl
> 
> It *IS* after all MICROSOFT who makes the user stupid, eh
> 
> > script targeting Linux.  The weak link is the user, not the OS.
> 
> As said above, Linus users are NOT stupid as Linux reqiures SOME knowledge
> to be used.

Yes, but this is the wrong direction - you obviously missed maddog's
keynote at LCA.

Maddog highlighted several points which I've been thinking for some
time - people want to use something that is simple and easy to use -
they don't want to have to think.

Computing Eliteism will not win the platform war for anybody.  

Things need to make sense, they need to be consistant.  It should be
entirely possible to build a system where basic/introductary users
can't burn their fingers easily, but advanced/experienced users can
disable the safety net.

M$ got this point the wrong way around.

C.
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[SLUG] Snippets from this week's Debian Weekly News

[Matthew Dalton]

 Original Message 
Subject: Debian Weekly News - February 13th, 2001
Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 20:59:09 + (UTC)
Resent-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 12:37:41 -0800
From: Joey Hess <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

---
Debian Weekly News
http://www.debian.org/News/weekly/2001/5/
Debian Weekly News - February 13th, 2001
---

Welcome to Debian Weekly News, a newsletter for the Debian community.

The DPL campaign is heating up. [1]Anand Kumria, [2]Bdale Garbee, and
[3]Branden Robinson each joined Ben Collins in announcing that they
will run for DPL. The timeline for the elections was [4]pushed back
since things got off to a late start. The nomination period ends
today, and then campaigning will begin in earnest.

[cut]

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References
  1. http://lists.debian.org/debian-vote-0102/msg0.html

[cut]

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Re: [SLUG] "Anna Kournikova" email worm - disinfection

[Jobst Schmalenbach]

On Tue, Feb 13, 2001 at 10:49:48PM +0800, Mike Holland ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> > begin "tom burkart" wrote on Tue, 13 Feb 2001
> > 
> > > To clean the virus:
> > > 1.  Search and destroy all emails with the subject line:
> > >  " Here you have, ;o) "
> > > 2.  Delete the registry key mentioned in item 1 above.
> > > 3.  Search and destroy all copies of AnnaKournikova.jpg.vbs
> 
> All that is a complete waste of time, since the trojan ('virus' if you
> insist) has already done its work, and is self-limiting.  (yes?)
> 
>   Worse, such instructions a a distraction from the real problem, which is
> to educate users on basic computer hygiene. The next version might not be
> so benign!
>   And anti-microsoft rants dont help. It could just as easily be a perl

It *IS* after all MICROSOFT who makes the user stupid, eh

> script targeting Linux.  The weak link is the user, not the OS.

As said above, Linus users are NOT stupid as Linux reqiures SOME knowledge
to be used.



jobst

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Re: [SLUG] rcp problem

[Ken Yap]

|I just installed TurboLinux on one of my home network machines. My other
|machine runs Redhat 6.2. I tried to rcp to the new machine and got the
|following message:
|
|stty: standard input: Invalid argument

You probably have a stty in your .bashrc. It belongs to .bash_profile.
Substitute appropriate filenames for other shells. The principle is that
a stty invocation belongs in a file that's executed for interactive
logins not one that is run for all connections.

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[SLUG] Unix Giga-Party

[Jeff Waugh]

Geek party, at the following date?


python -c 'import time ; print time.strftime("%c", time.localtime(10**9))'

perl -e 'print scalar(localtime(10**9)), "\n"'

ruby -e 'puts Time.at(10**9)'


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Re: [SLUG] antivirus solution????

[Umar Goldeli]

"AmaVis"

:)

//umar.

On Wed, 14 Feb 2001, Alister Waller wrote:

> 
> In light of the current situation could anyone suggest software/a way of
> scanning emails as they come in or go out of a linux email gateway. Its just
> running sendmail.
> 
> regards
> 
> Alister Waller (B. Comp)
> Technical Consultant - Roadtech Systems Ltd
> Phone: 02 98073516 Fax: 02 98085294
> www.roadtechsystems.com.au
> 
> 
> 


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Re: [SLUG] antivirus solution????

[Colin Humphreys]

If you are looking for something to kill things like these vbs
things 

http://people.oven.com/bet/mailfilt/index.html

Developed in house at my last place of employment in a few hours to
protect agains the love bug... It just quotes the offending message, so
the mime decoding doesn't work automatically.

Don't know about a more general antivirus checker...

-Colin

Alister Waller wrote:
> 
> In light of the current situation could anyone suggest software/a way of
> scanning emails as they come in or go out of a linux email gateway. Its just
> running sendmail.
> 
> regards
> 
> Alister Waller (B. Comp)
> Technical Consultant - Roadtech Systems Ltd
> Phone: 02 98073516 Fax: 02 98085294
> www.roadtechsystems.com.au
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Re: [SLUG] antivirus solution????

[Terry Collins]

Alister Waller wrote:
> 
> In light of the current situation could anyone suggest software/a way of
> scanning emails as they come in or go out of a linux email gateway. Its just
> running sendmail.

1 - V hard - config sendmail to do it.

2 - V easy  - There is a package called smtp that provides for this. 

smtp comes in a number of parts. 
Part one listens on port 25 and collects mail, put into directory.
Your scaning software checks directory and scans contents, moving to
second directory after checking.
Repeat for any other process, i.e take copy of mp3 for sysos collection,
etc{:-)
Part two collects scanned/processed mail from final directory and passes
onto mail agent for delivery.

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Re: [SLUG] "Anna Kournikova" email worm - disinfection

[Martin]

On Tue, 13 Feb 2001, Mike Holland wrote:

> > begin "tom burkart" wrote on Tue, 13 Feb 2001
> >
> > > To clean the virus:
> > > 1.  Search and destroy all emails with the subject line:
> > >  " Here you have, ;o) "
> > > 2.  Delete the registry key mentioned in item 1 above.
> > > 3.  Search and destroy all copies of AnnaKournikova.jpg.vbs
>
> All that is a complete waste of time, since the trojan ('virus' if you
> insist) has already done its work, and is self-limiting.  (yes?)
>
>   Worse, such instructions a a distraction from the real problem, which is
> to educate users on basic computer hygiene. The next version might not be
> so benign!
>   And anti-microsoft rants dont help. It could just as easily be a perl
> script targeting Linux.  The weak link is the user, not the OS.

That's just not true, and blaming the user is a poor response. There
will always be some users who are newer or more ignorant than others,
and intelligent programmers understand that. Microsoft, as part of their
UI for mail (something they insist they pay very careful attention to)
have chosen to blur the lines between running executable code and
opening images, etc. This is an easy UI for beginners if you never get
sent a worm or virus, but leads inevitably to infection in a networked
environment. Even a proportion of skilled users click without thinking at
times, as we saw on this list. It's simply a poor choice in UI design.

You can probably find an email program for Linux that runs Perl scripts
in one click with the same user actions as opening an image, but IMO,
that would be a mail program with an appallingly badly designed UI, and
near non-existent security. One action (opening the image) has only
trivial implications for security, the other is an act of complete trust
in a possibly unknown user. They should be actions that present as
fundamentally different things to the user, and if they don't, you'll
always be fighting an uphill battle to convince users that they are
different, because the sameness of them is self evident.

So there is a lot of scope here to blame microsoft, not because they
have bugs that lead to security holes (don't we all, can anyone say
bind), but because here the UI carefully designs in a security problem,
and they have declined to fix it. The nasty thing about it is that this
well understood problem affects everyone on the net, who is subjected to
the worm generated traffic, M$ user or not. BTW, if you can find other
companies who have similar problems with their email clients, this
criticism applies equally to them, but that does not absolve M$ from
it. And I haven't even discussed issues like running as user giving
protection from the actions of a potentially more hostile version of
this worm.

Sorry about the rant, but it really annoys me when people look at a UI
designed for beginners, and then criticise the beginners for the flaws
in the UI. Even if you train this lot of beginners, there will always be
new ones coming through.

cheers,

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Re: [SLUG] "Anna Kournikova" email worm - disinfection

[Julian Pringle]

>> Mike Holland wrote:
 
>  And anti-microsoft rants dont help. It could just as easily be a perl
>script targeting Linux.  The weak link is the user, not the OS.
>
And spare a thought for those of us still in transition and running W*s.  The only 
benefit was that McAfee actually detected the thing. First virus ever, and I was on 
the verge of scrapping VirusScan as a waste of time.

Julian Pringle 

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[SLUG] Mozilla

[Rev Simon Rumble]

Why didn't Mozilla concentrate on writing a good web browser instead
of a mail reader, news reader, Swiss Army Knife and kitchen sink?


Now can someone tell me why when one Mozilla locks up, it locks up
everything?  I mean the news reader, all other Mozilla windows,
everything?  Shouldn't they be quite seperate applications?

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Re: [SLUG] formating linux

[Terry Collins]

> Pat Little wrote:
> 
> I have the linux software and i was woundering if you had any software
> to format it out so i can get windows in the drive befor putting in
> linux because i would like to run linux with windows.

Your question is not clear.

If you are wanting to create a dual boot machine, then install the MS OS
first as MS OS's are very unco-operative. Then install Linux afterwards
as it is most co-operative and allows dual booting.

In truth, I usually load enough linux to do my partitioning, then
install MS OS, then Linux.

If you already have Linux installed and need to install an MS OS, then
consider Win4Lin. You can also look at the Linux documentation under
/usr/doc/HOWTO/(mini?) for Linix+whatever. Also make sure you have a
linux boot disk for your machine before you start installing the MS OS,
so you can boot back into linux and re-install lilo.

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[SLUG] antivirus solution????

[Alister Waller]

In light of the current situation could anyone suggest software/a way of
scanning emails as they come in or go out of a linux email gateway. Its just
running sendmail.

regards

Alister Waller (B. Comp)
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RE: [SLUG] SysV Scripts on Debian not Running

[Jill Rowling]

Make sure it's called S20ssh and not s20ssh ? and the services it needs are
already running... (this reminds me of Richard Gooch's paper at
http://linux.conf.au , "The new joy of init scripts").

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Re: [SLUG] Mozilla

[Terry Collins]

Rev Simon Rumble wrote:
> Now can someone tell me why when one Mozilla locks up, it locks up
> everything?  I mean the news reader, all other Mozilla windows,
> everything?  Shouldn't they be quite seperate applications?

Part of its inheritance from Netscape - it also can do this.

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Re: [SLUG] formating linux

[David Kempe]

Try Win4lin. Many sluggers have had great success. Then there is no
fomatting involved and you get to keep linux! :)

I'm sure other sluggers have advice on how to set it up on your platform
etc.
What are you using?


dave

- Original Message -
From: Pat Little
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2001 4:31 AM
Subject: [SLUG] formating linux


I have the linux software and i was woundering if you had any software to
format it out so i can get windows in the drive befor putting in linux
because i would like to run linux with windows.
   thank you for your time and if you have any soft
ware that i can have then email me it or the sight that you  can get it
from. thanx agion.

 email me at
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[SLUG] rcp problem

[dmgray]

I just installed TurboLinux on one of my home network machines. My other
machine runs Redhat 6.2. I tried to rcp to the new machine and got the
following message:

stty: standard input: Invalid argument

I used to have RH on this other machine and rcp worked fine. Is there
something simple I am overlooking?

Thanks!


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Re: [SLUG] Why do all mail servers suck? (Maildir + POP3)

[Rodos]

On Wed, 14 Feb 2001, Ian Tester wrote:

> SLUG, Would this be more appropiate on slug-chat? I haven't checked that
> out yet. Are there any rules/guildines/recommendations for slug-chat yet?

http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug-chat

Not really IMHO because its on topic. Its about Linux or something related.
To me slug-chat is where you can post mindless crap, requests, jokes, flames
or other such cruft, so as not to annoy people on the main list. If you might
think its appropriate for the main list, then it probably is. If you type it
and think you are going to get 5 off topic threads started then post it to
slug-chat.

Also as far as I know you need to subscribe to it.

Rodos

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[SLUG] formating linux

[Pat Little]

I have the linux software and i was woundering if 
you had any software to format it out so i can get windows in the drive befor 
putting in linux because i would like to run linux with windows.   

   
thank you for your time and if you have any soft ware that i can have then email 
me it or the sight that you  can get it from. thanx agion.
 
 
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Re: [SLUG] Why do all mail servers suck? (Maildir + POP3)

[Ian Tester]

On Wed, 14 Feb 2001, Peter Faulks wrote:

> On Mon, 12 Feb 2001 16:56:17 +1100 (EST), Ian Tester wrote:
> 
> >No thanks, I'm turned off Qmail now from what I've heard about the author.
> 
> I'm intrigued. What have you heard?

Oh, nothing specific. It's not like I have inside information about a
stained cocktail dress ;)

>From various online forums I've built up a bad "image" of what this
Bernstein (sp?) guy is like. Not personally, just the whole "arrogant
arsehole" aspect of his licensing. And when I was trying to get Qmail
working for myself, I ended up going through alot of the docs. They seemed
to spend alot of time just bagging out Sendmail. Now, I don't know if
those docs were written by Bernstein or by his loyal followers, but it
doesn't paint a nice picture either way. It screamed "inferiority
complex", I thought.

Anyway, that's my opinion. To each his/her own, and all that.

SLUG, Would this be more appropiate on slug-chat? I haven't checked that
out yet. Are there any rules/guildines/recommendations for slug-chat yet?

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Re: [SLUG] Why do all mail servers suck? (Maildir + POP3)

[Peter Faulks]

On Mon, 12 Feb 2001 16:56:17 +1100 (EST), Ian Tester wrote:

>No thanks, I'm turned off Qmail now from what I've heard about the author.

I'm intrigued. What have you heard?

Regards




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Re: [SLUG] "Anna Kournikova" email worm - disinfection

[Mike Holland]

> begin "tom burkart" wrote on Tue, 13 Feb 2001
> 
> > To clean the virus:
> > 1.  Search and destroy all emails with the subject line:
> >  " Here you have, ;o) "
> > 2.  Delete the registry key mentioned in item 1 above.
> > 3.  Search and destroy all copies of AnnaKournikova.jpg.vbs

All that is a complete waste of time, since the trojan ('virus' if you
insist) has already done its work, and is self-limiting.  (yes?)

  Worse, such instructions a a distraction from the real problem, which is
to educate users on basic computer hygiene. The next version might not be
so benign!
  And anti-microsoft rants dont help. It could just as easily be a perl
script targeting Linux.  The weak link is the user, not the OS.


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Re: [SLUG] Here you have, ;o)

[Administrator]

> > Amusingly, since you posted to a Linux mailing list, one which is
> > propogated through WindoZe maile programs.
> 
> I think linux email clients should also email a copy
> of viruses to everyone in your "address book".
> Obviously linux users are immune but it would help to
> spread the virus around more amongst winblows users.

And here I thought that Jeff and I were the only truly evil ones on this list...:-)

We are in the presence of greatness !!

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Re: [SLUG] SysV Scripts on Debian not Running

[Craige McWhirter]

Thanks for the thoughts but I sorted it out just before your suggestion
arrived :)

On Tue, 13 Feb 2001 22:05:50 Steve Kowalik wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 13, 2001 at 09:41:30PM +1100, Craige McWhirter uttered:
> > I fear the time of night and weariness (yeah, better excuses than
> > nothing) have got me missing something that has to be obvious. The
> > scenario is that I have an SSH SysV script in /etc/init.d/ and this
> is
> > symlinked into /etc/rc2.d/ (S20ssh). Everything else in runlevel 2
> > starts nicely but SSH does not, no errors, no log, nothing. 
> > 
> > If I run the script manually it starts perfectly.
> > 
> > I'll be bugger if I know what's wrong here. Clue sticks anyone?
> >
> File permissions?
> 
> slinky:~# ls -l /etc/init.d | grep -v -e -rwxr-xr-x
> total 264
> -rw-r--r--1 root root  853 Sep 24 05:00 README
> 
> Try that simple test. :-)
> Either that, or the sym link is somehow broken.
> 
> > -- 
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> > Cheers,
> >   Craige.
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Markets, was Re: [SLUG] Tekram SCSI Cards

[Terry Collins]

Heracles wrote:
 
> > Don't worry. It was a dig at our pro-markets mob that like businesses
> > with their here today and gone tomorrow business plans, so long as they
> > get a good price.

> I recently purchased a product(new) at the North Rocks Market and

Hmm, let me know when they have been operating under the same name for
two years.

> such as Westgate Technology,  are registered businesses. 

Yep, that name checks out as having an ABN.
http://www.abr.business.gov.au/

 
> It is unfair to indulge in FUD.

I'll say. When ATO starts surprise market inspections and releases stats
on how many are actually legit and paying their taxes and not selling
dodgy gear, then I'll apply the tomato sauce to my hat and start eating
it.

Of course, if the markets want to really start convincing people they
aren't turning a blind eye to anyone who pays the fee, then they can ask
for display of business rego and ABN certificates.

I have shopped at the markets and received receipts in three different
business names from the one business, but yes, there are some who use
the markets as extra shop front.

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[SLUG] Re: [ANN] Announcement of MacLUG - Next Meeting Saturday 17th February @Campbeltown

[Gordon Low]

Terry,

Was wanting to attend can I have the address.
My Linux box is stuffed but have a spare 486 I took from work, also wondered
if I could bring this windows machine and maybe try to install in a seperate
partition if there is time?


Thanks

Gordon Low
- Original Message -
From: "Terry Collins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Slug List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, February 12, 2001 10:16 AM
Subject: [ANN] Announcement of MacLUG - Next Meeting Saturday 17th February
@Campbeltown


>
> Hello Sluggers
>
> The next meeting of Macarthur Linux Users Group (MacLUG) will be on
> Saturday 17th February from 10am to whenever.
>
> It is in Campbelltown - RSVP for the address.
>
> MacLUG meetings are a day event, relaxed, hands on, come and go when you
> want to, etc. The idea is to bring your box and goodies for help and
> fiddles, etc.
>
> Each meeting has a theme/topic and the theme for the February meeting is
> "Linux on Sparcs". Yes, I have some Sun Sparc hardware on hand, so if
> you ever wondered how those old sparc stuff runs Linux, this is your
> chance to find out.
>
> Activites associated with the theme take priority, but there isn't a
> program, there are no planned talks, there is a list of things we might
> do, can do, etc. If you want to come and chat - fine, if you want to
> install/tune up your box - fine, if you want to hardware hack - fine,
> etc.
>
> There will be power, internet link (28.8K), webcam coverage, phone
> lines, workshop, and various, aged linux distros (not the latest
> unfortunately),  etc.
>
> If the weather is nice, it will be outside under a tarp. If weather is
> poor, we'll crowd the workshop. Please bring a chair if you have it and
> if is easy to do (we had enough table top space last time).
>
>
> RSVP to me ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
>
> Cost $3 members, $5 non-members, covers costs. (Mac LUG is a sub group
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>
> RSVP to me if you want some snags-onion-slaw for lunch or vego option
> (included in $), or BYO (bbq provided).
> Endless tea and coffee throughout the day.
>
> If you stay for dinner, there is an chinese just up the road. The local
> shopping centre is 2 blocks away with a takeaway, cakes shop, small
> supermarket and the chinese.
>
> If you want to come by public transport, i.e train, I will collect from
> and return you to Lumeah station (the one before Campbelltown). Let me
> know you are coming this way and ring from the station/newsagent on
> arrival.
>
> Future meetings will be on the third Saturday of each month. I'm open to
> suggestion on future themes.
> For March, I'm considering "Building Linux Firewalls on Minimal
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Re: [SLUG] understanding .so files

[Ian Tester]

On Tue, 13 Feb 2001, Ken Foskey wrote:

> 
> I have a problem with the STLport gcc library.  the program that uses is
> asks for it's .so file. I tried to change ld.so.conf in /etc but it did
> not appear to do anything, (no man page just a guess).  I ended up
> putting a symbolic link into /usr/lib.

Did you run ldconfig after you changed /etc/ld.so.conf? That's kinda
important... ;)

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Re: [SLUG] SysV Scripts on Debian not Running

[Herbert Xu]

Craige McWhirter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> If I run the script manually it starts perfectly.

Perhaps the environment's different? Anyway, try putting a set -x into
/etc/init.d/rc to see what's going on.
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[SLUG] understanding .so files

[Ken Foskey]

I have a problem with the STLport gcc library.  the program that uses is
asks for it's .so file. I tried to change ld.so.conf in /etc but it did
not appear to do anything, (no man page just a guess).  I ended up
putting a symbolic link into /usr/lib.

Can someone describe how these work.  Is it a program problem or a
system configuration.

Thanks
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Re: [SLUG] Tekram SCSI Cards

[Alan Lee]

- Original Message -
From: "Heracles" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Terry Collins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: "Alan Lee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2001 10:08 PM
Subject: Re: [SLUG] Tekram SCSI Cards


> Terry Collins wrote:
>
> > Don't worry. It was a dig at our pro-markets mob that like businesses
> > with their here today and gone tomorrow business plans, so long as they
> > get a good price.
> >
> > I think you will find that it actually is legal to do business without
> > an ABN, but there are all sorts of disadvantages.
>
> I recently purchased a product(new) at the North Rocks Market and
> was given a receipt with ABN etc. The great majority of the people
> who sell new equipment at the markets, such as Westgate
> Technology,  are registered businesses. I have had dealings with
> several of them and have visited their shops. Some of the second
> hand dealers may be different.
>
> It is unfair to indulge in FUD.
>
> Stay well and happy
> Heracles
>
This is why I dont get involved with sales, I dont know how to do it! I
wouldn't know what was right or wrong.

Regards, Alan Lee
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Re: [SLUG] SysV Scripts on Debian not Running

[Steve Kowalik]

On Tue, Feb 13, 2001 at 09:41:30PM +1100, Craige McWhirter uttered:
> I fear the time of night and weariness (yeah, better excuses than
> nothing) have got me missing something that has to be obvious. The
> scenario is that I have an SSH SysV script in /etc/init.d/ and this is
> symlinked into /etc/rc2.d/ (S20ssh). Everything else in runlevel 2
> starts nicely but SSH does not, no errors, no log, nothing. 
> 
> If I run the script manually it starts perfectly.
> 
> I'll be bugger if I know what's wrong here. Clue sticks anyone?
>
File permissions?

slinky:~# ls -l /etc/init.d | grep -v -e -rwxr-xr-x
total 264
-rw-r--r--1 root root  853 Sep 24 05:00 README

Try that simple test. :-)
Either that, or the sym link is somehow broken.

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Resolved [Was: Re: [SLUG] SysV Scripts on Debian not Running]

[Craige McWhirter]

Clue stick found. The SSH init script has the following line:

test -f /etc/ssh/sshd_not_to_be_run && exit 0

Guess which file existed? Yes, that's right /etc/ssh/sshd_not_to_be_run.
Deleting this file got everything going smoothly. I guess I must have
specified SSH not run on startup during the initial installation.

Oh well, live and learn (and now sleep).

On Tue, 13 Feb 2001 21:41:30 Craige McWhirter wrote:
> I fear the time of night and weariness (yeah, better excuses than
> nothing) have got me missing something that has to be obvious. The
> scenario is that I have an SSH SysV script in /etc/init.d/ and this is
> symlinked into /etc/rc2.d/ (S20ssh). Everything else in runlevel 2
> starts nicely but SSH does not, no errors, no log, nothing. 
> 
> If I run the script manually it starts perfectly.
> 
> I'll be bugger if I know what's wrong here. Clue sticks anyone?

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Re: [SLUG] Tekram SCSI Cards

[Heracles]

Terry Collins wrote:

> Don't worry. It was a dig at our pro-markets mob that like businesses
> with their here today and gone tomorrow business plans, so long as they
> get a good price.
> 
> I think you will find that it actually is legal to do business without
> an ABN, but there are all sorts of disadvantages.

I recently purchased a product(new) at the North Rocks Market and
was given a receipt with ABN etc. The great majority of the people
who sell new equipment at the markets, such as Westgate
Technology,  are registered businesses. I have had dealings with
several of them and have visited their shops. Some of the second
hand dealers may be different.

It is unfair to indulge in FUD.

Stay well and happy
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[SLUG] SysV Scripts on Debian not Running

[Craige McWhirter]

I fear the time of night and weariness (yeah, better excuses than
nothing) have got me missing something that has to be obvious. The
scenario is that I have an SSH SysV script in /etc/init.d/ and this is
symlinked into /etc/rc2.d/ (S20ssh). Everything else in runlevel 2
starts nicely but SSH does not, no errors, no log, nothing. 

If I run the script manually it starts perfectly.

I'll be bugger if I know what's wrong here. Clue sticks anyone?

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Re: [SLUG] "Anna Kournikova" email worm - disinfection

[Jeff Waugh]

> Windoze uninfection details thanks to AVP Australia...

BBBEE!!1

:) - Jeff


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Re: [SLUG] "Anna Kournikova" email worm - disinfection

[Rodos]

begin "tom burkart" wrote on Tue, 13 Feb 2001

> To clean the virus:
> 1.  Search and destroy all emails with the subject line:
>  " Here you have, ;o) "
> 2.  Delete the registry key mentioned in item 1 above.
> 3.  Search and destroy all copies of AnnaKournikova.jpg.vbs

Or a much better solution, delete your windows partition and install
a decend operating system, like Linux!

Rodos

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[SLUG] "Anna Kournikova" email worm - disinfection

[tom burkart]

Windoze uninfection details thanks to AVP Australia...

=
1.  Virus creates a registry key under:
 HKEY_Current_User\Software\OnTheFly

2.  Text of the above registry key is: "Worm made with Vbswg 1.50b".

3.  After sending emails to all users in Outlook address list, the value
 of this registry key is set to "1".  Afterwards, the virus will not send
 any more emails.

4.  Saves virus to C:\%WindowsDirectory%\AnnaKournikova.jpg.vbs

5.  Creates email message and sends to all users on available address
 lists (creates individual emails, not a group send).  Attaches the file
 saved in step 4 above, then deletes
 C:\%WindowsDirectory%\AnnaKournikova.jpg.vbs
 after sending all emails.

6.  On January 26, it opens a browser window with the website
 www.dynabyte.nl



To clean the virus:

1.  Search and destroy all emails with the subject line:
 " Here you have, ;o) "

2.  Delete the registry key mentioned in item 1 above.

3.  Search and destroy all copies of AnnaKournikova.jpg.vbs
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Re: [SLUG] Weird XFree86 problem.

[Ian Tester]

Sorry guys. I've been fiddling with me sendmail setup and have screwed it
up. reply to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

sorry sorry :P

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AnnaKournikova.jpg.vbs WAS: RE: [SLUG] Here you have, ;o)

[Andreas Mueller]

On Tue, Feb 13, 2001 at 12:50:57PM +1100, Wayne Innes wrote:
> Hi:
> Check This!

found Virus: 

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Description:

VBS/SST-A is an email-aware Visual Basic Script worm.

The worm arrives in an email with the following characteristics:

Subject line: Here you have, ;0)
Message text: Hi:
  Check This!
File attachment: AnnaKournikova.jpg.vbs

The virus lures users into activating it by pretending to be a
jpeg graphic of Russian tennis player Anna Kournikova.

The first time the attached file is executed it mails itself to
everybody in your Outlook address book.

The worm makes changes to the Registry, creating an entry called
HKCU\software\OnTheFly.




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[SLUG] Weird XFree86 problem.

[Ian Tester]

Hi.
I've recently setup my brothers PC to dual-boot with Debian
Linux. Well, actually, I installed it on a hard disk. I've spent the last
couple of nights on the phone talking him through getting GRUB to boot
winders and setting up XFree86.

Anyway, he's having a weird font problem under X. He describes the
text as looking like "bar codes" i.e "vertical lines, constant height,
variable thicknesses".

Tonight I got him to setup xfs-xtt and point XF86Config at 
"unix/:7100" for the FontPath. That seemed to fix _some_ fonts. What's
more, he described a dialog box where some text showed OK, but a label
below it (and presumebly using the exact same font) showed as a
"barcode". Plus, some text labels showed as just black boxes.

What could cause these problems? Font server? X server? It's using the
SVGA X server with an S3 Trio64 card.

Has anyone any suggestions that would save me from travelling out to fix
it in person?

thanks,
bye

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