Re: [SLUG] Passing usernames

2002-04-08 Thread Kevin Saenz

Ok I have worked with the LDAP and w2k. The only Issue is that
you might have a look at Netscape's version of LDAP as you
will be able to sync between windows and Linux user ids and so on.

Download Netscape directory server it's free as well.
The only problem is that netscape directory server uses alot of
processing power in the server side.

 On Mon, 8 Apr 2002, GR Development wrote:
 
  We are a group of IT students at Coffs Harbour Education Campus and we
 are
  having problems with our project.  If anyone knows how to pass a
 Windows
  username to a linux system we would greatly appreciate it as we are
  completely stuck.  We have tried using identd but we are not getting
 the
  results we needed.  Maybe we are doing something wrong???
 
  For our project we have to replace CHEC's Nortel Contivity Switch and
 ASN
  Router, which they use to connect a number of different users to the
  internet via three pipes, with a Linux System.  They are connected to
 a
  certain pipe depending on the users context (which can be gained from
 the
  username).  User IP addresses need to be changed or masqueraded to a
 range
  suitable for the appropriate internet connection.
 
 Look into an LDAP solution and have the linux/windows boxes in the
 same
 LDAP domain?
 
 See if you can setup SAMBA on the Linux box, and have your Windows
 boxes
 authenticate against the SAMBA solution based on your username?
 
 I don't know if there's a WindoZe based LDAP solution which is
 compatible,
 but it could be worth looking into. Samba should almost certainly be
 able
 to do something like what you want.
 
 DaZZa
 
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[SLUG] (Belated) Debian SIG Announce

2002-04-08 Thread Craige McWhirter

I've been busy and offline, blah, blah, blah but yes, it's still on and
this month we have the absolutely fabulous Yvonne Thomson all the way
from cosmopolitan Mudgee to deliver a presentation on Debian as used by
vision-impaired people (note: this will focus heavily on emacs-speak).

Don't forget to bring your GPG keys, keys are good and need signing.
 
Where: Woolloomooloo Bay Hotel - boardroom (upstairs)
When: Wednesday, 10th of April 19:00 - 20:00
Cost: $0,
  $10 if you pre-order tea/coffee
Misc: Dinner, alcohol are available
Park: - Lincoln Cr (recommended, open til late)
  - Domain (closes 21:00) or
  - Beside the Bells Hotel  
  
Upcoming Speakers Include:
- May - Matt Hope has promised to talk about something.
- June - TBC but I've convinced David McQuire talk about his experiences
getting Debian working on an iBook.
- July - Your name here?

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Re: [SLUG] Passing usernames

2002-04-08 Thread Anand Kumria

On Mon, Apr 08, 2002 at 11:53:52AM +1000, GR Development wrote:
 Hi slugs,
 
 We are a group of IT students at Coffs Harbour Education Campus and we are 
 having problems with our project.  If anyone knows how to pass a Windows 
 username to a linux system we would greatly appreciate it as we are 
 completely stuck.  We have tried using identd but we are not getting the 
 results we needed.  Maybe we are doing something wrong???

identd expects that remote machine to be somewhat trustworthy; Windows allows
any user to bind to sockets  1024. identd doesn't expect this and if you
use it it'll be easy ot get around.

 
 For our project we have to replace CHEC's Nortel Contivity Switch and ASN 
 Router, which they use to connect a number of different users to the 
 internet via three pipes, with a Linux System.  They are connected to a 

Are you talking about

URL: http://www.nortelnetworks.com/products/01/contivity/techspec.html

and 

URL: http://www.nortelnetworks.com/products/01/asn/index.html

?

If so are you sure it's using Windows authentication and not its' own
client software?

Anand

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[SLUG] Committee meeting minutes - 26th March

2002-04-08 Thread Peter Hardy

 Minutes of the SLUG committee meeting 26th March 2002

Present:

 * Jeff Waugh
 * Craige McWhirter
 * Jaime Wilkinson
 * Peter Hardy
 * Mary Gardiner
 * Tony Green
 * Jan Schmidt

SLUG Meetings

  Decisions:

 * Meetings to be more closely moderated, particularly QA Sessions.
   Tony Green to chair meetings.
 * Less time to be spent on general QA.
 * Introduce small 5-10 minute presentations.
 * Meeting announcements. Three weeks beforehand, with a reminder one
   week before the meeting.
 * Next month's talks:
   Jeff Waugh on postfix
   Andrew Bennetts on python
   Tony Green to demonstrate spamassassin

   Stronger moderation is needed during meetings to keep the discussion
   on topic, and to prevent excess disruption during speaker
   presentations.

   We would like to reduce the time spent on general QA sessions, as
   this is already well-serviced by the mailing lists. This time would be
   better spent with small 5-10 minute presentations, to demonstrate a
   new or interesting piece of software, showcase work the speaker has
   been doing, or similar. It's hoped this will lower the bar and make it
   easier for people to participate in SLUG, and we'll be actively
   seeking people to give talks in this category.

   Suggestions for future talks:
   Jan Schmidt offered a talk on various video issues under Linux.
   Desktop software comparisons (GNOME, KDE, ...). Distribution
   introductions and comparisons. Linux communities. Network
   bootstrapping with cfengine. Migrating to Linux. Contributing to Linux
   (for coders and non-coders). Migration from one Linux solution to
   another (eg: sendmail to postfix). Managing spam. Linux for corporate
   desktops.
   As always, volunteers for these or any other talk would be most
   welcome.

SLUG website

  Decisions:

 * Final decision on the new SLUG website will not be made until Jeff
   can demo his new code based on work done for gnome.org.
 * SLUG logo will remain unchanged.

   Angus Lee's beta website (http://beta.slug.org.au) was considered for
   the final site, but concerns were raised about future maintainability.
   The other alternative is Jeff Waugh's new website, which he will
   demonstrate shortly after his return from Spain. It was agreed to
   withhold a decision until then.

   Alternatives to the logo displayed on the current SLUG website were
   discussed. We would like to keep the current logo, but would like to
   obtain higher-quality images for the new site. This will be the
   responsibility of the new website maintainer.

Other activities

 * Gamesfest? This will be partly covered by the Workshop, but we'd
   like to hold a dedicated one if there's enough interest.
 * Codefest. We should approach UNSW Compsoc for another codefest.
   Possibly incorporating a bug-squishing event.
 * These fests need organisers.
 * Social events. Craige will be organising another paintball day
   soon. Bowling or lasertag were also discussed as possible
   activities.

Financial business

  Actions:

 * Need a current signatory to grant access to accounts. Jamie
   Wilkinson to organise.
 * Unpaid accounts:
   Insurance
   Dep. Fair Trading for incorporation.
   PO Box renewal
 * Insurance statements still going to Jamie Honan. Jamie Wilkinson
   to acquire, change address.

Other business

  Actions:

 * Jeff Waugh to update membership details on SLUG website, and Peter
   Hardy to reply to ACCC.
 * Jan Schmidt to research the purchase of a video camera to record
   SLUG meetings.

  Decisions:

 * General Meeting to be held at May SLUG meeting to discuss proposed
   changes to the Constitution.
 * Jan Schmidt to research the purchase of a video camera to record
   SLUG meetings.

   The cost of membership stated on the SLUG website doesn't specifically
   include the GST. This is in breach of Sections 52 and 52(a) of the
   Trade Practices Act, and we have recently received correspondence from
   the ACCC in regards to this. Jeff Waugh is to correct the website.

   We would like to modify the terms of membership as follows: Payment of
   fees grants membership until the next AGM. Fees will be $25, or $12.50
   after September.
   We also need to collect contact details of financial members. This
   will most likely take the form of an email address. A suitable privacy
   policy governing the use of these details needs to be formulated and
   approved.
   These changes require amendments to the Constitution and must be voted
   on at a General Meeting. Mary Gardiner to announce.

   We would like to investigate purchasing equipment to allow us to
   record and distribute talks presented at SLUG meetings. Jan Schmidt
   will look into this and get back to us next month. Other issues to
   look at are the distribution of media files and caring and 

[SLUG] Evolution plain text fonts

2002-04-08 Thread Paul Copeland

Hi All,

I have recently installed Ximian Evolution 1.0.3 onto my computer.  While I 
am impressed with the program, I detest the way it displays plain text fonts.

I have been to their support page but it only tells you to change the fixed 
width fonts in GNOME control centre, but they are all pretty poor.  Mozilla 
Mail can display plain text messages in non-fixed with fonts, and KMail can 
display plain text messages in any font I want.  

Does anyone know how to make Evolution use nicer fonts (eg Times or 
helvetica) for plain text messages?  Any ideas would be greatly appreciated.

Regards
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Re: [SLUG] Mozilla trouble

2002-04-08 Thread Peter Rundle

  FWIW, the backslash is not valid in a URL. My guess: Netscape convert
  errant backslashes to forward slashes in such URLs, whereas Moz and
  Galeon do not.

Just another example of M$ dirty inovation. IE is improved so that 
sites that
put backslashs in instead of forward still work. Then frontpage suddenly has
a bug in it that publishes links with backslashes instead of forward.

The result. Users see the site rendering correctly in IE but not in any 
other
browser and therefore assume that it's a browser problem and change to IE.
Other browsers are then forced to also break the standard in their next 
release.

Now you know why we hate them so much!

rgds

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Re: [SLUG] Evolution plain text fonts

2002-04-08 Thread Peter Hardy

On Mon, 2002-04-08 at 19:03, Paul Copeland wrote:
 Does anyone know how to make Evolution use nicer fonts (eg Times or 
 helvetica) for plain text messages?  Any ideas would be greatly appreciated.

I don't see any way of convincing evolution to do it, without patching
the gtkhtml widget it uses to display messages.  That's always an
option. :-)

The easier alternative is to just find some nice fonts.  I use neep in
evolution, xchat, and all of my terminals.  Like fixed, but smoother and
nicer.

Find it at http://www.ntrnet.net/~jmknoble/fonts/ or, in debian, the
xfonts-jmk package.

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Constitution changes (Re: [SLUG] Committee meeting minutes - 26th March)

2002-04-08 Thread Mary

On Mon, Apr 08, 2002 at 07:49:36PM +1000, Peter Hardy wrote:
  * General Meeting to be held at May SLUG meeting to discuss proposed
changes to the Constitution.

IIRC, this should actually read to vote on proposed changes to the
Constitution, since constitutional changes need to be proposed three
weeks *in advance* of the General Meeting that votes on them, rather
than being formulated at such a meeting.

The current constitution is at:

http://slug.org.au/model.shtml

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[SLUG] Re: EMACS: auto indent customisations not loading

2002-04-08 Thread Angus Lees

At 08 Apr 2002 12:52:37 +1000, Simon Wong wrote:
 On Sun, 2002-04-07 at 15:34, Angus Lees wrote:
  i'm guessing you are also setting it somewhere else, and that setting
  is overriding the customize option.
 
 Not intentionally!
 
 I couldn't find anything in the site wide /etc files that set this i.e.
 in /etc/emacs/* or /etc/emacs20/*.
 
 Would there be something else?

you can probably brute force it with something like:

(add-hook 'c-mode-hook (lambda () (setq 'c-basic-offset 4)))

i'd suggest running emacs with -no-init-file first, just to prove
that its something in your .emacs (for our peace of mind ;)

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Re: [SLUG] config for DoV ISDN?

2002-04-08 Thread David Fitch

On Mon, 2002-04-08 at 12:43, David Fitch wrote:
I pinched a copy of your ijolt program too
 Crossfire although I ended up not using it, just pinched some ideas and
 incorporated them into a script I was already using to do much the
 same thing for a modem link.

spoke too soon on that bit, I was using the auto dialmode but
changed it to manual so my script can control when it connects
and disconnects to count the number of times and back off after
a certain number of failed connections etc etc.

But, dialmode manual causes the link to come up, stay up approx
1 minute then hangup (local hangup it says).  The huptimeout is
0 meaning disabled but I set it to 24 hrs just to make sure, no diff.
Put back to dialmode auto and no problems!!

Only problem with auto is it reconnects by itself and will happily
keep doing it over and over again (if the connection is failing for
some reason, could be any reason, config error at ISP etc) ad
infinitum at 18c a pop!!.  Google turned up nothing.

Is anyone else using dialmode manual?
Failing any answers I'll have to dig into the source and attempt to
work out what it's doing...

Dave.

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Re: [SLUG] Linux in the enterprise?

2002-04-08 Thread lukekendall

On  8 Apr, Andrew Bennetts wrote:
  Usually they get dumped to /var/log/messages if the system isn't too far 
  gone, so that you often don't need to write anything down. 

That should be mentioned in the man page for ksymoops.  Not that it
would have helped me, since I never saw any Oops stuff in my messages
file back in January, when it was really bad.  (Though grepping again
tonight, I see that I had one for a crash on March 10th.)
 
   Does anyone know whether something more like Solaris's kind of facility 
   is being planned for Linux? 
   
  I seem to recall various patches at different times; try searching the 
  kt.zork.net Kernel Traffic archives.  I think people have implemented 
  everything from dumping to a file on disk, prompting for a floppy and 
  dumping to that, and providing live debugging over a serial link... whether 
  any of these will ever make it into the main kernel or even a 
  vendor-supplied kernel is a different matter ;) 

Hmm.

  Linus' view on kernel debugging aids seems to be that anything more than a 
  register and stack dump is too much hassle for too little gain.  Registers 
  and stack already give you the bulk of what you want to know (assuming the 
  symbols have been decoded by ksymoops, of course), which is what the kernel 
  was doing at the time it died.  Others have disagreed...

Yes, and I can sympathise with them.

 I once tried to 
  keep up with the linux-kernel list, but I just couldn't keep it up.  These 
  days I just read kt.zork.net and lwn.net for my kernel news. 

Thanks,

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[SLUG] SLUG: TV Freeze

2002-04-08 Thread raen7

I am running SuSE 7.3 on PC Celeron 600, 20gig hd with free -tom mem 359. 
I have a Magic TView TV Card and I have colour on 800x600 which gives the 
best full screen image. My monitor is a Hyundai 14plus.  Video card is a 
AGP Riva tnt2. At odd moments the screen image freezes and I have to 
reboot to get it back. Sometimes after many hours, sometime very quickly 
sometimes not at all. I have tried slowing down the monitor speed and 
played with the colour without success. Is this terminal or curable?

Raena

 


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Re: [SLUG] SLUG: TV Freeze

2002-04-08 Thread Terry Collins

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Is this terminal or curable?

I don't know. I have it happen consistently on one  of the six systems
I've tried TV/radio/capture cards in and it happened with four different
brands. I suspect it is a motherboard problem, but I've never been that
motivated to solve it as it runs fine under webcam(part of xawtv) for my
webcam.

OTOH, it could also be more sensitive to the XF86Config modeline stuff
and you may need to carefully review what is in there. It will
occassionally happen on my main system, but it is not consistent and
since this boxen gets various cards (video and TV) and XF86Config stuff,
I suspect certain combos might not play together.




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[SLUG] Re: Committee meeting minutes - 26th March

2002-04-08 Thread Angus Lees

At 08 Apr 2002 19:49:36 +1000, Peter Hardy wrote:
  Minutes of the SLUG committee meeting 26th March 2002

Suggestions for future talks:
[...]
As always, volunteers for these or any other talk would be most
welcome.

still willing to do intro to emacs, intro to perl and apache
internals / mod_perl talks - if there's interest.

yes, the amount of i like vi for coding and think php is a viable
programming language even though i've never known the alternatives
talk thats going around is finally bugging me ;)

 SLUG website
Angus Lee's beta website (http://beta.slug.org.au) was considered for
  (Lees')  (i think. i never did get an authoritive answer on that)
the final site, but concerns were raised about future maintainability.
The other alternative is Jeff Waugh's new website, which he will
demonstrate shortly after his return from Spain. It was agreed to
withhold a decision until then.

the code was meant to be fairly easy to read, so if there's any
particular part you think will be hard to maintain then let me know.

so far i've had no comments on what needs to be done to
http://beta.slug.org.au/ (other than improving the admin interface -
which no-one can actually see anyway).  comments actively sought.

(somehow i think i can see how this is going to pan out though..)

 Other activities

docfest in june. saturday 15th unless anyone has any objections.
(markup languages (troff, (La)TeX, Docbook), yada yada. proper
announce/CFP to follow room booking)

can whomever deals with room bookings please book me the (recently)
usual slug room at UTS.

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[SLUG] Re: Linux in the enterprise?

2002-04-08 Thread Angus Lees

At Mon, 8 Apr 2002 22:31:41 +1000 (EST), lukekendall  wrote:
 On  8 Apr, Andrew Bennetts wrote:
   Usually they get dumped to /var/log/messages if the system isn't too far 
   gone, so that you often don't need to write anything down. 
 
 That should be mentioned in the man page for ksymoops.

try klogd(8).

klogd gets the messages from the kernel, ksymoopsifies them and then
feeds them on to syslogd. the fact they (may) then end up in
/var/log/messages is up to /etc/syslog.conf.

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[SLUG] Volunteer Project Leader

2002-04-08 Thread Craig Warner

ComputerBank NSW is looking for a individual  who would like to manage the 
installation of  pilot project for the installation of a K-6 school computer 
network with 20 linux clients. 

Regards

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Re: [SLUG] Linux in the enterprise?

2002-04-08 Thread lukekendall

On  8 Apr, Anand Kumria wrote:
  On Mon, Apr 08, 2002 at 12:00:53AM +1000, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Not being on any of the kernel mailing lists, I wouldn't know id the
  following subject has come up, and so I thought I'd ask here if anyone
  knows of any planned work in this area...
  
  You did google for `Linux Kernel Crash Dumps', no?

Sorry.

  Anyway, lkcd.sf.net is what you are after. It might get integrated,
  it might not. You can always petition Alan Cox to include it in RedHat's
  kernel when is downunder next year.

Yep, that sounds really good - thanks.

  A friend at Sun remarked that supporting Linux at the enterprise level
  is much harder than supporting Solaris, mainly because Linux has no
  crash dump facility.  That is, when Solaris crashes, it leaves a dump
  
  I've only had Solaris crash 5 times (same number as Linux) and have only
  had it generate a crash dump once. All the other times involved IO code
  and/or hardware and the machine(s) just spontaneously rebooted.
  
  So Linus' thoughts on the desirability of having crash dump code in the
  kernel is understandable; your friend's comments about support ease with 
  crash dumps isn't though. I don't think I'm alone in having only a 20%
  successful crash dump on catastrophic failure.

The impression I had, talking to him, was that being able to get a
crash dump was normal under Solaris, not a 1 in 5 chance.  Hmm.

  Having lived through a few Linux panics, I have to agree that it has
  nothing like this - it has something only marginally better than
  Windows NT's blue screen of death.  
  
  Slightly more than marginally; I'm in the process of restoring a corrupted
  LVM partition of mine. The LVM code thinks there are more bits to the disk
  than there really and regularly generates faults.

Sorry, I wasn't clear.  I meant, it didn't seem to be much better than
NT as far as providing crash dump type info.  I agree that it's much
more robust in the face of serious errors.

  I'm still using my machine despite it having `opps'ed about 45 minutes ago.
  
  I can't access the particular partition in question though, I'll need to
  reboot, but having only that particular subsystem/hardware item be locked
  off it damn handy.

Agreed.

  (At least Linux has ksymoops so
  that after you have laboriously copied down a text screen full of hex
  numbers, and then typed them in, you can at least get some symbolic
  debug info.  So it's better than Windows, but it's a painful process.)
  
  Normally ksymoops is tied into your logfile stuff so it automagically
  decodes the entries that got logged without the need for you to copy
  things down.

I didn't know that until tonight.  :-)  Though in my case, no Oops
stuff was logged, and the system completely and utterly froze.  All I
could do was copy stuff down from the screen.  Fortunately this was for
a problem that was so repeatable that I could provoke it without X
running.  (Normally, the console was not on display, only X.  I mean
the machine was utterly stopped.)

  Even more important is that you can actually look at the code and see
  where it all went to pieces.

Agreed.

  Does anyone know whether something more like Solaris's kind of facility
  is being planned for Linux?
  
  Hopefully this is more info than you wanted to know.

It's great - much appreciated.

luke

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Re: [SLUG] Redhat 7.2 crashes my computer

2002-04-08 Thread lukekendall

On  8 Apr, Broun, Bevan wrote:
  Just a note: make sure your dont compile with that RH gcc (2.96). 

Why not?  It's the default version of gcc on RH7.2, and I did nothing
special for building any of the 2 dozen or so kernels I've experimented
with over the last few months, with no compiler-ish problems.  (Just
hardware, and scsi error handling problems.)  Unless the kernel build
is set up to use a special version of gcc squirrelled away specially
for the purpose, by the makefiles?

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Re: [SLUG] RE: slug digest, Vol 1 #1792 - 7 msgs

2002-04-08 Thread lukekendall

On  8 Apr, Upendra Singh wrote:
  I am running Red Hat Linxu 7.0 with kernel version 2.2.16-22. 
  sendmail-8.11.0-8 is currently running and we are using this computer as 
  primary mail server. 
   
  I have RedHat 7.2 CDs and want to upgrade the Red release to 7.2 and the 
  kernel version to 2.4.7-10. 
   
  My question is,  will the sendmail be running fine as it is after upgrading 
  the RedHat 7.0 to Redhat 7.2 from the CDROM installation? 

I've heard a couple of reports, to the effect that upgrading from 7.0
to 7.2 is quite tricky - much harder than installing 7.2.

What I did for my 7.1 to 7.2 changeover, was take copies of /etc,
install, and then compare and gradually re-config services one by one,
making manual edits where necessary.  This was possible because /home
and /usr/local were on separate partitions in my case.

This was my todo list / checklist:

Add the local users and groups back again
Add fstab entries for home, and all the other partitions.
Restore /root from backup (oops: I kept some stuff there too).
Try out Postilion and the rest of /usr/local.
Put /etc/rc.local back.
Put fetchmail config files back.
Configure sendmail again (little change, actually quite painless).
Samba config again.
Add hand-tuned X modes back again.
Put normal mods back into /etc/lilo.conf again.
Re-compile rxvt.
Ditto xcb.
Download and install bug fix rpms (thank god for up2date and cable
modem - 200 MBs of replacements!)
Re-build kernel for CD-RW (re-add my improvements to xconfig Tk
scripts).
Run Samba at boot (use serviceconf to for run level services).
find / -uid 50 -print0 | xargs -0 chown luke
find / -gid 52 -print0 | xargs -0 chgrp kendall

(Last two since new standard RH user and group IDs overlapped existing
owners and groups.)

luke

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Re: [SLUG] Re: Committee meeting minutes - 26th March

2002-04-08 Thread Anand Kumria

On Mon, Apr 08, 2002 at 11:01:58PM +1000, Angus Lees wrote:
 
 docfest in june. saturday 15th unless anyone has any objections.
 (markup languages (troff, (La)TeX, Docbook), yada yada. proper
 announce/CFP to follow room booking)
 
 can whomever deals with room bookings please book me the (recently)
 usual slug room at UTS.

You may be aware that the Faculty of IT (yes that is what they call it
nowadays, sigh) has moved over to a new building.

New building, new labs, new rooms. It may be worthwhile investigating
for the docfest and/or monthly meetings.

If there is any interest from the committee (or even you Gus), let me
know and I'll see who to chase.

Anand

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[SLUG] stopping StarOffice services

2002-04-08 Thread Nick Croft

Morning,

I notice in gtop's memory view, that about 20% of my precious 128M is
going to sschdled and ssserverd - processes owned by root, or perhaps
more accurately Sun StarDivision, as neither I nor root can stop them.

I only use StarOffice 3 or 4 times a year. It's a waste of memory the
way it's working now.

I'd like to be able to do something like
  /etc/init.d/someservice stop
to these processes. Gtop's kill and the command line kill don't seem to
work.

Ultimate solution would be to uninstall StarOffice and reinstall on
those occasions when I want it.

I'd welcome your suggestions,

Nick

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[SLUG] Extended partition

2002-04-08 Thread George Vieira

Hi,

I have a problem where I've built a RH7.2 system and on another system which
is the exact model/specs I've used Ghost to mirror the drives across to save
time (10 machines to do)..

The first machine looks OK as below:

   Device BootStart   EndBlocks   Id  System
/dev/hda1   * 164514048+  fd  Linux raid autodetect
/dev/hda265   701   5116702+  fd  Linux raid autodetect
/dev/hda3   702   956   2048287+  fd  Linux raid autodetect
/dev/hda4   957  2482  122575955  Extended
/dev/hda5   957  1020514048+  fd  Linux raid autodetect
/dev/hda6  1021  2482  11743483+  83  Linux

The mirrored machine seems to have an incorrect partition settings as below:

   Device BootStart   EndBlocks   Id  System
/dev/hda1   * 164514048+  fd  Linux raid autodetect
/dev/hda265   701   5116702+  fd  Linux raid autodetect
/dev/hda3   702   956   2048287+  fd  Linux raid autodetect
/dev/hda4   957  2482  12257595f  Win95 Ext'd (LBA)
/dev/hda5   957  1020514048+  fd  Linux raid autodetect
/dev/hda6  1021  2482  11743483+  83  Linux

I tried using fsck and e2fsck but it's been a while and don't know how to
fix this stupid Win95 extended partition back to just Extended..

Can someone tell me what I should be using..

thanks,
George Vieira

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Re: [SLUG] Extended partition

2002-04-08 Thread Crossfire

George Vieira was once rumoured to have said:
 Hi,
 
 I have a problem where I've built a RH7.2 system and on another system which
 is the exact model/specs I've used Ghost to mirror the drives across to save
 time (10 machines to do)..
[chop]

 I tried using fsck and e2fsck but it's been a while and don't know how to
 fix this stupid Win95 extended partition back to just Extended..
 
 Can someone tell me what I should be using..

Nothing.  Technically speaking, the change is correct - Win95 added a
few new partition types to explicitly state that the partition was
being mapped via LBA.

C.
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RE: [SLUG] Extended partition

2002-04-08 Thread George Vieira

But I cant map this /space partition as it's erroring.. about the
superblock.etc.etc..

anyway to fix that?

thanks,
George Vieira
Systems Manager
Citadel Computer Systems P/L
http://www.citadelcomputer.com.au



-Original Message-
From: Crossfire [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, 09 April 2002 8:15 AM
To: George Vieira
Cc: Sydney Linux Users Group (E-mail)
Subject: Re: [SLUG] Extended partition


George Vieira was once rumoured to have said:
 Hi,
 
 I have a problem where I've built a RH7.2 system and on another system
which
 is the exact model/specs I've used Ghost to mirror the drives across to
save
 time (10 machines to do)..
[chop]

 I tried using fsck and e2fsck but it's been a while and don't know how to
 fix this stupid Win95 extended partition back to just Extended..
 
 Can someone tell me what I should be using..

Nothing.  Technically speaking, the change is correct - Win95 added a
few new partition types to explicitly state that the partition was
being mapped via LBA.

C.
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RE: [SLUG] Extended partition

2002-04-08 Thread George Vieira

Actually, I just noticed...

[root@cutter1 root]# mount /space/ 
mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hda6,
   or too many mounted file systems

it's /dev/hda6 not hda4 that it's complaing about..

thanks,
George Vieira
Systems Manager
Citadel Computer Systems P/L
http://www.citadelcomputer.com.au



-Original Message-
From: George Vieira 
Sent: Tuesday, 09 April 2002 8:26 AM
To: 'Crossfire'
Cc: Sydney Linux Users Group (E-mail)
Subject: RE: [SLUG] Extended partition


But I cant map this /space partition as it's erroring.. about the
superblock.etc.etc..

anyway to fix that?

thanks,
George Vieira
Systems Manager
Citadel Computer Systems P/L
http://www.citadelcomputer.com.au



-Original Message-
From: Crossfire [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, 09 April 2002 8:15 AM
To: George Vieira
Cc: Sydney Linux Users Group (E-mail)
Subject: Re: [SLUG] Extended partition


George Vieira was once rumoured to have said:
 Hi,
 
 I have a problem where I've built a RH7.2 system and on another system
which
 is the exact model/specs I've used Ghost to mirror the drives across to
save
 time (10 machines to do)..
[chop]

 I tried using fsck and e2fsck but it's been a while and don't know how to
 fix this stupid Win95 extended partition back to just Extended..
 
 Can someone tell me what I should be using..

Nothing.  Technically speaking, the change is correct - Win95 added a
few new partition types to explicitly state that the partition was
being mapped via LBA.

C.
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Re: [SLUG] Redhat 7.2 crashes my computer

2002-04-08 Thread Broun, Bevan

on Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 12:03:08AM +1000, [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On  8 Apr, Broun, Bevan wrote:
   Just a note: make sure your dont compile with that RH gcc (2.96). 
 
 Why not?  It's the default version of gcc on RH7.2, and I did nothing
 special for building any of the 2 dozen or so kernels I've experimented
 with over the last few months, with no compiler-ish problems.  (Just
 hardware, and scsi error handling problems.)  Unless the kernel build
 is set up to use a special version of gcc squirrelled away specially
 for the purpose, by the makefiles?

Version 2.96 of gcc was made by RH, not the gcc people. the 2.96 came out
with version 7.0 of RH and at that time they also provided kgcc (or kcc)
for kernel compiles, Im not sure this is needed for later series 7
releases. However, I always grab the latest 2.9 release of gcc and build
that, though the 3.0 series seems to be doing fine for kernel compiles
these days too.

On Wed, May 09, 2001 at 09:56:24AM +0100, Alan Cox wrote:
  As this is with Red Hat's version of gcc, I'm not sending
  this to the gcc folks. RPMs of gcc with this proble

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Re: [SLUG] Redhat 7.2 crashes my computer

2002-04-08 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]

I have installed the gcc3 rpms from ximian, but it only puts a gcc3 in the /usr/bin 
dir. how do i get gcc3 to be the default? can i just delete the gcc file and replace 
it with a symlink to gcc3?

Regards,
Karl Bowden


On  8 Apr, Broun, Bevan wrote:
  Just a note: make sure your dont compile with that RH gcc (2.96).

Why not?  It's the default version of gcc on RH7.2, and I did nothing
special for building any of the 2 dozen or so kernels I've experimented
with over the last few months, with no compiler-ish problems.  (Just
hardware, and scsi error handling problems.)  Unless the kernel build
is set up to use a special version of gcc squirrelled away specially
for the purpose, by the makefiles?

luke



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RE: [SLUG] Extended partition

2002-04-08 Thread Ben Donohue

HI George,

You might like to check the BIOS settings on the cloned machines and that
they are the same as the original one. Make sure that the hard disk is set
to the same mode the clones.
ie.

NORMAL
LBA
LARGE

Just a thought.
Ben

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[SLUG] Trying to compile Apache with php

2002-04-08 Thread Simon Bryan

Hi all,
I am having a hard time trying to get Apache built with php support to test
Squirellmail!! I am using Apachetoolbox as I have no experience in doing
this sort of thing other than with tollbox.

When I get to the make in Apache I am getting:

In file included from ../include/httpd.h:74,
 from ap_cpystrn.c:59:
../include/buff.h:130: parse error before `ap_ctx'
../include/buff.h:130: warning: no semicolon at end of struct or union
../include/buff.h:141: parse error before `}'
make[3]: *** [ap_cpystrn.o] Error 1
make[2]: *** [subdirs] Error 1


from what I see: ap_cpystrn is including httpd.h which includes buff.h which
has the offending line.

The relevant section from buff.h seems to be (have included the entire
structure ap_ctx is toward the bottom. I am stumped as  never had this
trouble before. This is on a reasonably new RH7.2 install.

struct buff_struct {
int flags;  /* flags */
unsigned char *inptr;   /* pointer to next location to read */
int incnt;  /* number of bytes left to read from input buffer;
 * always 0 if had a read error  */
int outchunk;   /* location of chunk header when chunking */
int outcnt; /* number of byte put in output buffer */
unsigned char *inbase;
unsigned char *outbase;
int bufsiz;
void (*error) (BUFF *fb, int op, void *data);
void *error_data;
long int bytes_sent;/* number of bytes actually written */

ap_pool *pool;

/* could also put pointers to the basic I/O routines here */
int fd; /* the file descriptor */
int fd_in;  /* input file descriptor, if different */
#ifdef WIN32
HANDLE hFH; /* Windows filehandle */
#endif

/* transport handle, for RPC binding handle or some such */

void *t_handle;

#ifdef EAPI
ap_ctx *ctx;
#endif/* EAPI */

#ifdef B_SFIO
Sfio_t *sf_in;
Sfio_t *sf_out;
#endif

void *callback_data;
void (*filter_callback)(BUFF *, const void *, int );

};
_

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RE: [SLUG] Extended partition

2002-04-08 Thread George Vieira

I've actually managed to get it working..
I changed the /etc/fstab to read the file systems as ext2 and not ext3 and
they came up fine..

But the original machine was configured for ext3 partitions.. it doesn't
make sense (sounds like a commercial I know)..

I don't know how to chnge the partition back to a ext3 from an ext2
partition.. Argh! ;)

thanks,
George Vieira
Systems Manager
Citadel Computer Systems P/L
http://www.citadelcomputer.com.au



-Original Message-
From: Ben Donohue [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, 09 April 2002 9:11 AM
To: George Vieira; 'Sydney Linux Users Group (E-mail)'
Subject: RE: [SLUG] Extended partition


HI George,

You might like to check the BIOS settings on the cloned machines and that
they are the same as the original one. Make sure that the hard disk is set
to the same mode the clones.
ie.

NORMAL
LBA
LARGE

Just a thought.
Ben
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RE: [SLUG] Extended partition

2002-04-08 Thread Ben Donohue

Hi George,

Can't help you with ext2-ext3 conversion. Someone will know...
Probably Ghost does not know how to handle ext3.

Ben

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RE: [SLUG] Extended partition

2002-04-08 Thread George Vieira

OK.. I fixed it...

FYI.

All I had to do was run

tune2fs -j /dev/hdb6
tune2fs -j /dev/hda6

and it created a journaling FS.. on reboot it's mounting fine now..
hopefully this was correct.

Thanks for the help guys.

George Vieira
Systems Manager
Citadel Computer Systems P/L
http://www.citadelcomputer.com.au



-Original Message-
From: Ben Donohue [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, 09 April 2002 9:19 AM
To: George Vieira; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Sydney Linux
Users Group (E-mail)'
Subject: RE: [SLUG] Extended partition


Hi George,

Can't help you with ext2-ext3 conversion. Someone will know...
Probably Ghost does not know how to handle ext3.

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Re: [SLUG] Trying to compile Apache with php

2002-04-08 Thread David Fitch


have a look for the definition of ap_ctx cos the bit you've included
looks ok.  Usually for these sort of errors I've found you need to
look for the #ifdef bits and see if something is not defined that
should be, or vice versa, then tweak the makefile to set or unset it
and recompile.

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RE: [SLUG] KDE printing

2002-04-08 Thread Ben Donohue

Yes you're right it did start %! but it was from my memory.
Anyway it's working now as the suggestion from Christopher Booth worked.
ie set it to HPLJ4 PCL

Funny though... the test page said it had PS version 3 installed.
Anyway, don't really care so long as it works with something!
Thanks to all else who responded too.

Ben


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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, 7 April 2002 11:11 PM
To: Sydney Linux Users Group
Subject: Re: [SLUG] KDE printing


On  5 Apr, Terry Collins wrote:
   with CUPS a page prints with !adobe on the top and some other garbage.

  If that is all there is, then that is not a correct PS identifier
  string.

Quite.  It should start %! or even %!PS.

BTW, KDE3 was released last week, and the printing system sounds like
massive amounts of work have gone into it.

Not that I think that would help if you're sending files with the wrong
magic number at the start!

luke

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Re: [SLUG] stopping StarOffice services

2002-04-08 Thread Michael Lake

Nick Croft wrote:
 I notice in gtop's memory view, that about 20% of my precious 128M is
 going to sschdled and ssserverd - processes owned by root, or perhaps
 more accurately Sun StarDivision, as neither I nor root can stop them.
.
 Gtop's kill and the command line kill don't seem to work.

root will be able to stop them. 
# kill -9 sschdled (man kill to check on what kill level you enjoy most)
# kill -9 ssserverd

 I'd like to be able to do something like
   /etc/init.d/someservice stop
 to these processes. 

Yes that would be nicer. grep for those service daemon names under
init.d just in case there is a script for starting and stopping them
under some other name. Are you sure those services are from
StarDivision?   

Mike
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[SLUG] [Auug-announce] Reminder: Notice of election (fwd)

2002-04-08 Thread Conrad Parker

Hi,

if you care about Unix/Linux/*BSD in Australia please consider this
from the AUUG (Australian Unix Users Group):

- Forwarded message from Greg 'groggy' Lehey [EMAIL PROTECTED] -
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Annual Election of Officers and General

A reminder: there's less than a week to go until nominations close for
the management committee elections for next year.  As usual at this
time, we don't have nearly enough nominations.  Please consider
standing for the management committee.  If you're concerned that it's
too difficult, don't be.  Feel free to send me mail or give me a call
(08-8388-8286) if you have any questions.  I'm enclosing the original
announcement below.

Greg Lehey
Secretary, AUUG Inc.




   Annual Election of Officers and General
  Committee Members
_

 Call For Nominations
Get involved!

AUUG  has a proud 27 year history of sharing knowledge, providing
member services and, most importantly, creating  a  community  of
like  minded  professionals.   Every year brings fresh challenges
and new opportunities.  As a result, AUUG is in a  constant  pro-
cess of evolution; a process of which every member in our associ-
ation is a part.  This year will mark a particularly  interesting
chapter  in  AUUG's  evolution:  for the first time in nearly ten
years, we will reevaluate our position in the industry.   We  ex-
pect significant changes as a result.

The  role  of AUUG's Officers and General Committee Members is to
manage, plan and execute, according to the will  of  the  general
membership.   This  stewardship  is not passive, nor is it always
easy.  However, serving the AUUG community is also immensely  re-
warding  because, simply, our goals matter and we can make a dif-
ference.

What should AUUG be doing next year? How can we serve our members
and  our  community  better? What great ideas are out there, just
waiting for their chance to be tried out? How do we  better  pro-
mote our knowledge and philosophies?

Do  you  know the answers to some of these questions? Are you the
sort of person who knows how to get things done? Or do  you  know
someone like this?

AUUG needs people with fire and clue.  Help make AUUG the kind of
association you want it to be--nominate the best people for elec-
tion to our Management Committee.  If you would like to know more
about serving on the Management Committee, email the current com-
mittee at [EMAIL PROTECTED]

In order to stand for office, you must be an Individual Member of
the AUUG, and you need to be nominated by three voting members of
AUUG  (that  is,  either Individual Members or Institutional Mem-
bers).

If you can't find three people to nominate you, send in your nom-
ination  form  anyway.  We should be able to find someone to sign
it.

In  order to nominate a member for the Committee, please copy and
fill out the following official nomination form, and send  it  to
the AUUG Secretary.  All nominations must be received by 14 April
2002.

You can use the attached nomination form, or pick up a PDF
version at http://www.auug.org.au/election/nomination-form.pdf.
Send in nominations by fax or (snail) mail:

Fax:   (02) 8824 9522

Mail:
AUUG Inc.
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Australia

We encourage nominees to include a policy statement of up to  two
hundred words.  This statement will be circulated to members with
election materials, and is intended to assist them in making vot-
ing  decisions.   The  Secretary  reserves  the right to truncate
lengthy statements in order to minimise election expenses.



AUUG Inc.  2002 Annual Election

Nomination Form
_
We,

(1) Name:  AUUG Member #: and
__
(2) Name:  AUUG Member #: and

__
(3) Name:  AUUG Member #:
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being current financial members of AUUG Inc do hereby nominate:




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for the following position(s):

Mark the boxes against the positions for which nomination is  de-
sired.   Each  person may be elected to at most one position, and
election shall be determined in the order shown on  this  nomina-
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do hereby consent to my nomination to the 

Re: [SLUG] Re: EMACS: auto indent customisations not loading

2002-04-08 Thread Simon Wong

On Mon, 2002-04-08 at 22:30, Angus Lees wrote:
 you can probably brute force it with something like:
 
 (add-hook 'c-mode-hook (lambda () (setq 'c-basic-offset 4)))

This didn't seem to work.  I got an error which I will look into.

 
 i'd suggest running emacs with -no-init-file first, just to prove
 that its something in your .emacs (for our peace of mind ;)

I tried this and it shows the default setting for 4 spaces but as soon
as I use a .c file, the offset is changed to 2 when the major mode is
loaded :-(

When I set it in my .emacs it shows 4 on startup but changes to 2 as
soon as the major mode is loaded.

All my other settings, lpr etc seem to be retained.

I've read through the devhelp book on EMacs which is very good but
didn't discuss a major mode overpowering my .emacs

This is crazy :-(

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[SLUG] DVD region

2002-04-08 Thread Peter Spratt



Hi, I am after the same thing as you. If you can 
please tell me what you have found that would be great.Thanks for your time. If 
I find anything out I will let you know.

Kelly Davis


Re: [SLUG] Evolution plain text fonts

2002-04-08 Thread Simon Wong

On Mon, 2002-04-08 at 19:03, Paul Copeland wrote:
 I have recently installed Ximian Evolution 1.0.3 onto my computer.  While I 
 am impressed with the program, I detest the way it displays plain text fonts.

I don't have any complaints aboutthe text viewing!


 Does anyone know how to make Evolution use nicer fonts (eg Times or 
 helvetica) for plain text messages?  Any ideas would be greatly appreciated.

You may need to install more fonts as suggested by Peter.

Evolution uses the settings of the HTML Viewer in the Control Centre so
set it there.



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[SLUG] Help with backup tape

2002-04-08 Thread Simon Bryan

HI all,
Have had a major disk crash in one of our critical systems. It has been
backing up nightly to a SCSI tape drive.
Now I want to restore that tape to another system. Old system is RH7 new
system is 7.2

I can't seem to get the tape drive to mount, i have tried mount /dev/st0
/mnt/tape and various other stx devices as well as sgx devices, each time I
am told that the device is not a block device. Now I know it can be done
because it was done on the system that is currently dead, but obviously I
can't check to see what I did different.

Any help appreciated

_

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RE: [SLUG] stopping StarOffice services

2002-04-08 Thread Visser, Martin (SNO)

Try using pstree (specifically pstree -n -u ) to find out the call tree of the process 
in question. You can thenn determine how the daemons are started. (Probably you can 
also do egrep -r (sschdled|ssserverd) /etc/init.d/* to find the startup script.)

You should be able to kill the process with killall -9 sschdled

Martin Visser
Network Consultant - Compaq Global Services

Compaq Computer Australia
3 Richardson Place
North Ryde, Sydney NSW 2113
Australia

Phone: +61-2-9022-1670
Mobile: +61-411-254-513
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-Original Message-
From: Nick Croft [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, 9 April 2002 7:17 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [SLUG] stopping StarOffice services


Morning,

I notice in gtop's memory view, that about 20% of my precious 128M is
going to sschdled and ssserverd - processes owned by root, or perhaps
more accurately Sun StarDivision, as neither I nor root can stop them.

I only use StarOffice 3 or 4 times a year. It's a waste of memory the
way it's working now.

I'd like to be able to do something like
  /etc/init.d/someservice stop
to these processes. Gtop's kill and the command line kill don't seem to
work.

Ultimate solution would be to uninstall StarOffice and reinstall on
those occasions when I want it.

I'd welcome your suggestions,

Nick

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Re: [SLUG] Help with backup tape

2002-04-08 Thread Broun, Bevan

you would not normaly mount a tape (thought Im sure it can be done). Do you
know the command that was used to do the backup? Assuming it was tar, the
command you want is

tar -xvf /dev/st0

while your current directory is some place with lots of space, perhaps an
freshly made filesystem.

BB

on Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 01:38:36PM +1000, Simon Bryan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 HI all,
 Have had a major disk crash in one of our critical systems. It has been
 backing up nightly to a SCSI tape drive.
 Now I want to restore that tape to another system. Old system is RH7 new
 system is 7.2
 
 I can't seem to get the tape drive to mount, i have tried mount /dev/st0
 /mnt/tape and various other stx devices as well as sgx devices, each time I
 am told that the device is not a block device. Now I know it can be done
 because it was done on the system that is currently dead, but obviously I
 can't check to see what I did different.
 
 Any help appreciated
 
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Re: [SLUG] Extended partition

2002-04-08 Thread DaZZa

On Tue, 9 Apr 2002, George Vieira wrote:

 I have a problem where I've built a RH7.2 system and on another system which
 is the exact model/specs I've used Ghost to mirror the drives across to save
 time (10 machines to do)..

 The first machine looks OK as below:

Device BootStart   EndBlocks   Id  System
 /dev/hda1   * 164514048+  fd  Linux raid autodetect
 /dev/hda265   701   5116702+  fd  Linux raid autodetect
 /dev/hda3   702   956   2048287+  fd  Linux raid autodetect
 /dev/hda4   957  2482  122575955  Extended
 /dev/hda5   957  1020514048+  fd  Linux raid autodetect
 /dev/hda6  1021  2482  11743483+  83  Linux

 The mirrored machine seems to have an incorrect partition settings as below:

Device BootStart   EndBlocks   Id  System
 /dev/hda1   * 164514048+  fd  Linux raid autodetect
 /dev/hda265   701   5116702+  fd  Linux raid autodetect
 /dev/hda3   702   956   2048287+  fd  Linux raid autodetect
 /dev/hda4   957  2482  12257595f  Win95 Ext'd (LBA)
 /dev/hda5   957  1020514048+  fd  Linux raid autodetect
 /dev/hda6  1021  2482  11743483+  83  Linux

 I tried using fsck and e2fsck but it's been a while and don't know how to
 fix this stupid Win95 extended partition back to just Extended..

fdisk

fdisk /dev/hda
The number of cylinders for this disk is set to 2490.
There is nothing wrong with that, but this is larger than 1024,
and could in certain setups cause problems with:
1) software that runs at boot time (e.g., old versions of LILO)
2) booting and partitioning software from other OSs
   (e.g., DOS FDISK, OS/2 FDISK)

Command (m for help): t
Partition number (1-6): 4
Hex code (type L to list codes): 5

Command (m for help): w

That oughta do it.

{Note: Linux fdisk, not DOS or Winblows}

DaZZa


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[SLUG] SLUG archives

2002-04-08 Thread Ben Donohue

Hi Slugs,

Is there a way to get at the mailing list slug archives of prior to mid
2000?

Ben

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Re: [SLUG] SLUG archives

2002-04-08 Thread John Clarke

On Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 02:51:50PM +1000, Ben Donohue wrote:

 Is there a way to get at the mailing list slug archives of prior to mid
 2000?

http://slug.org.au/archives.shtml lists two external archives.  Have you
tried those?


Cheers,

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