[SLUG] Getting to my app

2003-02-16 Thread Bruce Badger
I'm running Debian Woody, and am trying to access an application which
is listening on a TCP/IP socket.  The app is just a small http server,
and I'm using a web browser to access it.

I know the app is listening on the expected port, because if I connect
using a browser on the same machine that the server is running on,
everything works fine.  If I try to get to the same app from a different
machine, though, I get "the connection was refused".

If I run tcpdump on the server I see that using the browser on the local
machine to access the service generates 11 packets over the expected
port (via lo).  The remote access generates only two packets (via eth0),
one coming in with the the request, and the other (i guess) saying "the
connection was refused".

If I ask iptables what filtering is active, is tells me that everything
is accepted.  I've checked the nat filter and mangle tables.

Clearly I'm missing something dead simple here.  I have read the HOWTO
for iptables and for IP in general, but I'm just not seeing the
solution.

Any hints, tips (or complete answers :-)) would be most appreciated. 

 Thanks.

BTW, here is the output from the tcpdump showing the bouncing request.

Here is the tcpdump of the 
wally:~# tcpdump port 10045
tcpdump: listening on eth0
18:31:17.162927 alice.set.badgerse.com.53433 >
wally.set.badgerse.com.10045: S 1628653908:1628653908(0) win 5840 
(DF)
18:31:17.163010 wally.set.badgerse.com.10045 >
alice.set.badgerse.com.53433: R 0:0(0) ack 1628653909 win 0 (DF)

2 packets received by filter
0 packets dropped by kernel


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RE: [SLUG] Getting to my app

2003-02-16 Thread Adam W
> I'm running Debian Woody, and am trying to access an 
> application which is listening on a TCP/IP socket.  The app 
> is just a small http server, and I'm using a web browser to access it.
> 
> I know the app is listening on the expected port, because if 
> I connect using a browser on the same machine that the server 
> is running on, everything works fine.  If I try to get to the 
> same app from a different machine, though, I get "the 
> connection was refused".

Are you sure the web server is allowing anything outside 127.0.0.1?

It would be helpful to know what web server you are running.

Cheers

AW.

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Re: [SLUG] Getting to my app

2003-02-16 Thread Christopher Samuel
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On Sunday 16 Feb 2003 7:37 pm, Bruce Badger wrote:

> Any hints, tips (or complete answers :-)) would be most appreciated.

What does: "netstat -ntlp" say for port 10045 ?

cheers,
Chris
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Re: [SLUG] Terminal based editor with syntax hilighting

2003-02-16 Thread Christopher Samuel
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On Sunday 16 Feb 2003 1:01 pm, Jon Biddell wrote:

> They were going to produce an emacs one, but how many people would buy a
> coffee mug the size of a soup bowl ?

Most geeks that I know. :-)

Actually, it's been done:

http://www.geekcheat.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=G&Product_Code=emmug&Category_Code=ES

Now well OT - Reply-To: set back to just me...

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Re: [SLUG] Getting to my app

2003-02-16 Thread Bruce Badger
On Sun, 2003-02-16 at 20:35, Christopher Samuel wrote:
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> 
> On Sunday 16 Feb 2003 7:37 pm, Bruce Badger wrote:
> 
> > Any hints, tips (or complete answers :-)) would be most appreciated.
> 
> What does: "netstat -ntlp" say for port 10045 ?


I just knew this would be embarrassing!

netstat reveals that Adam W was correct - I was listening on 127.0.0.1
only

Here's the output:
tcp0  0 127.0.0.1:10045 0.0.0.0:*  
LISTEN  9428/visual

How dumb can you get. :-(

BTW, the server is one of a number of HTTP servers implemented in
Smalltalk.

Thanks for the help.  Sorry to have troubled you :-/

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Re: [SLUG] running a readonly list with mailman?

2003-02-16 Thread Jeff Waugh


> can you do a readonly list with mailman?

> Is the best mailman can do setting the combination of:
>   1) must posts be approved by admin - yes
>   2) restrict posting priviledge to list members - no
>   3) addresses of members with implicit approval - the address
>  of the admin (ie. the only person allowed to post)

That's pretty much what we do with the announce list, so "yeah".

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Re: [SLUG] running a readonly list with mailman?

2003-02-16 Thread David Fitch
On Sun, 2003-02-16 at 21:57, Jeff Waugh wrote:
> 
> 
> > can you do a readonly list with mailman?
> 
> > Is the best mailman can do setting the combination of:
> >   1) must posts be approved by admin - yes
> >   2) restrict posting priviledge to list members - no
> >   3) addresses of members with implicit approval - the address
> >  of the admin (ie. the only person allowed to post)
> 
> That's pretty much what we do with the announce list, so "yeah".

the problem is the welcome message when you subscribe says
post to blahblah to send messages to the list.  I can't
seem to change that just for one list, it's none or all lists.

I found:
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.011.htp
but it seems it only works for Mailman 2.1.x not 2.0.x
which is the version in woody.
Looks like I might have to upgrade (bummer).

PS. do you know what list software is used for the debian
news announcements and security updates etc list?

Dave.


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Re: [SLUG] running a readonly list with mailman?

2003-02-16 Thread Jeff Waugh


> PS. do you know what list software is used for the debian news
> announcements and security updates etc list?

Pretty sure Debian uses smartlist - Anand will know for sure.

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[SLUG] hi

2003-02-16 Thread Dinesh
hi all,

I am planning to buy a cisco 827-4V for home to learn.  I have a problem in
that, the cisco 827-4V only supports 1 Ethernet and one adsl interface.  The
problem is I have a cable connection which relies on a dhcp server, so I
need ethernet for the cable connection.  Which only leaves me with the adsl
port to play around with.

Is there anything on linux I can interface the cisco 827-4v to the Linux
gateway machine, by the ADSL port? Is this do-able?

Any help is appreciated.

Dinesh.


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Re: [SLUG] hi

2003-02-16 Thread Dave Kempe
Buying that router to learn on doesn't sound like a great idea to me.
If you plug the cable connection into the ethernet how are you going to
route? The ADSL interface probably won't work in the way you expect.

If you want to learn Cisco there are router sims and cheap 2nd hand
modular routers like the 1720 around that will be more flexible.

Your best bet however for ADSL to work something like you expect is the
Roaring penguin PPPoE does have some sort of Access concentrator mode.
I have no idea how/if it works tho, I just read it exists.

dave


On Sun, 2003-02-16 at 23:30, Dinesh wrote:
> hi all,
> 
> I am planning to buy a cisco 827-4V for home to learn.  I have a problem in
> that, the cisco 827-4V only supports 1 Ethernet and one adsl interface.  The
> problem is I have a cable connection which relies on a dhcp server, so I
> need ethernet for the cable connection.  Which only leaves me with the adsl
> port to play around with.
> 
> Is there anything on linux I can interface the cisco 827-4v to the Linux
> gateway machine, by the ADSL port? Is this do-able?
> 
> Any help is appreciated.
> 
> Dinesh.
> 

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Re: [SLUG] UTS Bachelor of Information Technology

2003-02-16 Thread Rod Elliott
Brenton,
THE BIT course at UTS is great. It gives you valuable work experience before finishing your degree...and the contibution/scholorship helps you while you study. I have a number of friends doing it, and selection is stringent, so your marks will need to be good. Communication and prior knowledge is also assessed. Go for it. the Facilities at UTS are brand new too, making it w/o doubt one of the best courses for IT in Aust.
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Re: [SLUG] LaTeX slides

2003-02-16 Thread Ian Wienand
On Sun, Feb 16, 2003 at 11:09:57AM +1100, Angus Lees wrote:
> > This allows you to show your postscript file full screen and scroll
> > through it.  *Very* handy if you use a PPC notebook and thus can't get
> > acrobat reader, and xpdf doesn't do full screen.
> 
> I always use xpdf for presentations:
>   xpdf -fullscreen -bg black $file.pdf

yes sorry I confused myself I meant 'rotated'.  This is a problem
really only peculiar to chaksem, in that it outputs the postscript in
'seascape' mode.  a straight ps2pdf conversion doesn't seem to set the
rotation of the pdf properly, and then gives you an upside down pdf
presentation.

of course you can always select 'rotate' from the menu in xpdf twice
to flip it over, but pspresent (or ghostscript really) knows the
orientation from the ps file so you don't have to bother with this all
the time.

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Re: [SLUG] Grub and Recompiling a kernel - problems

2003-02-16 Thread Jean-Francois Dive
i think more details'd be welcome (ouput of the crash for exemple)

On Sun, 2003-02-16 at 18:47, Terry Collins wrote:
> Hello Folks
> 
> I'm currently trying to recompile my first kernel with GRUB as the
> loader and it isn't working, so I'm after cluebie why not.
> 
> Basically Grub dies which a kernel panic when it is asked to load the
> kernel. It is the same place as other. The only difference in lines in
> grub.conf is the version number.
> 
> what is also missing from /boot is a /boot/config-2.4.18-14 and
> /boot/module-info-2.4.18-14debug
> n my version. How are these created?
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Re: [SLUG] hi

2003-02-16 Thread Jean-Francois Dive
not really. The other side of an ADSL network is a piece of equipement
using a twisted pair to send ATM frame on top of an ADSL type of signal
(24 ? (not sure anymmore) channels, there is a negociation between the 2
peers, blah blah blah, ). The most easy 'd be to by a cisco with 2
ethernet interfaces if you want to play around. Have a look on ebay. For
the price of a new 8xx, i bet you can find a 2500 (well i dont think
they exist with 2 ethernet though) or 2600 for playing. Another
possibilty is to buy 2 old 2500 with 1 ethernet et 1 serial and
crossover connect the 2 serial (with one DTE and one DCE cable). This is
how most of people lurned and it'll allow you to play around with more
signaling like Frame relay or eventually X25. Old cisco hardware is not
that expensive even if it seems to have quite some success on ebay.

JeF

On Sun, 2003-02-16 at 23:30, Dinesh wrote:
> hi all,
> 
> I am planning to buy a cisco 827-4V for home to learn.  I have a problem in
> that, the cisco 827-4V only supports 1 Ethernet and one adsl interface.  The
> problem is I have a cable connection which relies on a dhcp server, so I
> need ethernet for the cable connection.  Which only leaves me with the adsl
> port to play around with.
> 
> Is there anything on linux I can interface the cisco 827-4v to the Linux
> gateway machine, by the ADSL port? Is this do-able?
> 
> Any help is appreciated.
> 
> Dinesh.
> 
> 
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Re: [SLUG] LaTeX slides

2003-02-16 Thread Michael Lake
Ian Wienand wrote:
> 
> On Sun, Feb 16, 2003 at 11:09:57AM +1100, Angus Lees wrote:
> > > This allows you to show your postscript file full screen and scroll
> > > through it.  *Very* handy if you use a PPC notebook and thus can't get
> > > acrobat reader, and xpdf doesn't do full screen.
> >
> > I always use xpdf for presentations:
> >   xpdf -fullscreen -bg black $file.pdf
> 
> yes sorry I confused myself I meant 'rotated'.  This is a problem
> really only peculiar to chaksem, in that it outputs the postscript in
> 'seascape' mode.  a straight ps2pdf conversion doesn't seem to set the
> rotation of the pdf properly, and then gives you an upside down pdf
> presentation.
> 
> of course you can always select 'rotate' from the menu in xpdf twice
> to flip it over, but pspresent (or ghostscript really) knows the
> orientation from the ps file so you don't have to bother with this all
> the time.

edit the PostScript and rotate the coordinate system

180 rotate 
stroke
showpage

:-)

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[SLUG] USB Printing

2003-02-16 Thread Edwin Humphries
We have an Epson Stylus Color 1160 printer that we'd like to make available from the 
server (RH7.2 with SAMBA). It's already running a laser printer, and has no other 
parallel port available.

So it seems the only option is to install a USB card and configure the printer using 
that. Does anyone know of any possible issues with this approach?

The printer itself is reported by linuxprinting.org as being fully linux compatible.

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Re: [SLUG] USB Printing

2003-02-16 Thread Gonzalo Servat
Hi Edwin,

On 17/02/2003 10:08 AM +1100 Edwin Humphries wrote:


We have an Epson Stylus Color 1160 printer that we'd like to make
available from the  server (RH7.2 with SAMBA). It's already running a
laser printer, and has no other  parallel port available.

So it seems the only option is to install a USB card and configure the
printer using  that. Does anyone know of any possible issues with this
approach?


Either use the printer via USB, or get another parallel card. Probably 
easier to install a USB card.

The printer itself is reported by linuxprinting.org as being fully linux
compatible.


I'm not sure if you require help sharing the printer on your network, but I 
recently setup CUPS and instead of sharing cups printers over Samba, I 
simply used IPP from Windows 2000 machines (IPP is native in Windows 
2000/XP and I beleive there is a patch to get Windows 95/98 machines to 
talk IPP) and it works very nicely. :)

HTH,
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Re: [SLUG] USB Printing

2003-02-16 Thread Christopher Samuel
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On Monday 17 Feb 2003 10:08 am, Edwin Humphries wrote:

> We have an Epson Stylus Color 1160 printer that we'd like to make available
> from the server (RH7.2 with SAMBA). It's already running a laser printer,
> and has no other parallel port available.
>
> So it seems the only option is to install a USB card and configure the
> printer using that. Does anyone know of any possible issues with this
> approach?

Done similar (USB & Epson C60) using RH8.0 for a friend with no problems. Just 
make sure that the USB card is supported by Linux as well!

cheers,
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Re: [SLUG] USB Printing

2003-02-16 Thread Gonzalo Servat
On 17/02/2003 10:27 AM +1100 Christopher Samuel wrote:


I'm not sure if you require help sharing the printer on your network,
but I recently setup CUPS and instead of sharing cups printers over
Samba, I simply used IPP from Windows 2000 machines (IPP is native in
Windows 2000/XP and I beleive there is a patch to get Windows 95/98
machines to talk IPP) and it works very nicely. :)


Ah! This is something I've tried and completely failed to get to work!
From  my reading it seemed to require a Win2K server for the IPP server.

Care to share how you managed it ?


Nope, CUPS can talk IPP.

Basically for whichever printer you want to make available over IPP, you 
need to create a raw version of it. Printer configuration is easily 
duplicated if you are using foomatic, otherwise just create it manually.
Lets say you copy the printer 'epson' to 'epson-raw'. The only change to 
this raw printer is the Driver. Select 'Raw' then 'Raw Queue (en)'.

You then need to edit cupsd.conf and look for the  tags. By 
default, there are only restrictions on "/" and "/admin". You can either 
add an "Allow From" line to the  tag, or simply uncomment the 
 section and add an Allow From line in there. You can 
even ask for authentication for using a particular printer or all printers 
(read CUPS documentation on this)

Once this is all done, it should be ready to go. Try adding a printer from 
Windows with the URL http://x.x.x.x:631/printers/epson-raw (changing 
x.x.x.x and epson-raw to the IP of the CUPS server and printer name, 
respectively)

HTH. Let me know if you need any more info.

Regards,
Gonzalo.

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Re: [SLUG] USB Printing

2003-02-16 Thread Christopher Samuel
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On Monday 17 Feb 2003 10:45 am, Gonzalo Servat wrote:

> Nope, CUPS can talk IPP.

Oh, I know CUPS talks IPP, my problem was persuading Windoze to talk IPP to 
it. :-)

Many thanks for the information though, at the time we were on a network 
without an internet connection, so I just took it as read that this was 
another MS kerberos style breakage..

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[SLUG] "respawning too fast" with mount -oremount,ro /

2003-02-16 Thread Minh Van Le
I'm getting

INIT: Id "1" respawning too fast: disabled for 5 minutes

errors after I logout of console on a system after mounting / read-only:

mount -o remount,ro /

My guess is mingetty can't /dev/tty[0-9]+ update or something in /etc, which
are both on /.

/bin/login has no problems logging in a console user with / mounted
read-only.

I've searched the archvies for "respawning too fast" AND "mount", and Redhat
Errata for any init bug releases and didn't find any.

I use Redhat 7.2. Does anybody have suggestions on mounting / read-only or
have solved this problem ?


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Re: [SLUG] USB Printing

2003-02-16 Thread Gonzalo Servat
On 17/02/2003 11:32 AM +1100 Christopher Samuel wrote:


Oh, I know CUPS talks IPP, my problem was persuading Windoze to talk IPP
to  it. :-)

Many thanks for the information though, at the time we were on a network
without an internet connection, so I just took it as read that this was
another MS kerberos style breakage..


No problem. FWIW, you can download the IPP client for Win95 from 
http://www.microsoft.com/windows95/downloads and for Win98 from 
http://www.windowsupdate.microsoft.com.

As I said, Win2k and XP have native IPP support.

Regards,
Gonzalo.

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Re: [SLUG] running a readonly list with mailman?

2003-02-16 Thread Anand Kumria
On Sun, Feb 16, 2003 at 10:09:51PM +1030, David Fitch wrote:
> On Sun, 2003-02-16 at 21:57, Jeff Waugh wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > > can you do a readonly list with mailman?
> > 
> > > Is the best mailman can do setting the combination of:
> > >   1) must posts be approved by admin - yes
> > >   2) restrict posting priviledge to list members - no
> > >   3) addresses of members with implicit approval - the address
> > >  of the admin (ie. the only person allowed to post)
> > 
> > That's pretty much what we do with the announce list, so "yeah".
> 
> the problem is the welcome message when you subscribe says
> post to blahblah to send messages to the list.  I can't
> seem to change that just for one list, it's none or all lists.
> 
> I found:
> http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.011.htp
> but it seems it only works for Mailman 2.1.x not 2.0.x
> which is the version in woody.
> Looks like I might have to upgrade (bummer).
> 
> PS. do you know what list software is used for the debian
> news announcements and security updates etc list?

yup - we use Smartlist.

For some of the announcement list we use Smartlist's pre-approved
moderation mechanism. For other we use a post-submission approval
mechanism.

Anyone on the debian-news mailing would have seen what happens when you
get the two somewhat confused/mixed up.

Regards,
Anand

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Re: [SLUG] hi

2003-02-16 Thread Anand Kumria
On Sun, Feb 16, 2003 at 08:30:51PM +0800, Dinesh wrote:
> hi all,
> 
> I am planning to buy a cisco 827-4V for home to learn.  I have a problem in
> that, the cisco 827-4V only supports 1 Ethernet and one adsl interface.  The
> problem is I have a cable connection which relies on a dhcp server, so I
> need ethernet for the cable connection.  Which only leaves me with the adsl
> port to play around with.
> 
> Is there anything on linux I can interface the cisco 827-4v to the Linux
> gateway machine, by the ADSL port? Is this do-able?
> 
> Any help is appreciated.

Buy a switch and plug the cisco into that rather than directly into the
cable modem.

Anand

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Re: [SLUG] running a readonly list with mailman?

2003-02-16 Thread Anand Kumria
On Sun, Feb 16, 2003 at 05:07:38PM +1030, David Fitch wrote:
> 
> can you do a readonly list with mailman?
> 
> I know you can have a moderated list - which is almost the
> same thing but not quite.  For a read-only list the welcome
> message wouldn't talk about the posting address etc - since
> members can't post.  Like the debian-announce list does.
> 
> Is the best mailman can do setting the combination of:
>   1) must posts be approved by admin - yes
>   2) restrict posting priviledge to list members - no
>   3) addresses of members with implicit approval - the address
>  of the admin (ie. the only person allowed to post)

The other thing to do would be to set Reply-To: to the list that should
be used for discussion follow-ups, etc.

Anand

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Re: [SLUG] running a readonly list with mailman?

2003-02-16 Thread David Fitch
On Mon, 2003-02-17 at 11:35, Anand Kumria wrote:
> On Sun, Feb 16, 2003 at 05:07:38PM +1030, David Fitch wrote:
> > 
> > can you do a readonly list with mailman?
> > 
> > I know you can have a moderated list - which is almost the
> > same thing but not quite.  For a read-only list the welcome
> > message wouldn't talk about the posting address etc - since
> > members can't post.  Like the debian-announce list does.
> > 
> > Is the best mailman can do setting the combination of:
> >   1) must posts be approved by admin - yes
> >   2) restrict posting priviledge to list members - no
> >   3) addresses of members with implicit approval - the address
> >  of the admin (ie. the only person allowed to post)
> 
> The other thing to do would be to set Reply-To: to the list that should
> be used for discussion follow-ups, etc.

I upgraded to mailman 2.1.1 - purely to get the feature that
you can have individual "welcome" messages for each list.
So for this readonly list I do that and delete mention of
posting to the list (also edit the web pages the same).

And using the individual "mod" flags as described in:
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.011.htp

Seems to work fine now (but now I won't be able to automatically
do mailman updates using apt-get, hopefully there won't be any
security notices about mailman).

Dave.



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[SLUG] SLUG Meeting: Friday February 28th

2003-02-16 Thread Mary Gardiner
Hi everyone,

As always, SLUG's monthly meeting is happening on the last Friday of the
month. SLUG meetings are open to the public and free of charge.

   When:
  Friday, February 28th, 6:30pm - 9:30pm

   Where:
  UTS Broadway

  Room TBA.

 * The Usual Suspects - Starts 6:30pm
  + Q&A - "What has Linux done for/to me lately?" + SLUG News &
Discussion

 * 7:10pm: Adrian van den Dries: "Introduction to Zope".

   From http://www.zope.org/:

Zope is a leading open source application server, specializing
in content management, portals, and custom applications. Zope
enables teams to collaborate in the creation and management of
dynamic web-based business applications such as intranets and
portals.

   Adrian will be talking about Zope for non-programmers.
   
 * 8:00pm: Break
 * 8:20pm:

   Split into two grousp for:

- Peter Miller: "AEGIS"

 or

- SLUGlets: quick talks and discussion of Linux and Free
  Software

 * Dinner - Starts around 9:15pm

   Spice Boys for Dinner. It's $20 for mains, around 30 people.

-Mary



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[SLUG] SLUG Annual General Meeting: Friday March 28th - committee nominations open now.

2003-02-16 Thread Mary Gardiner
Hi everyone,

SLUG's March monthly meeting (28th March) is also our Annual General
Meeting.

At the Annual General Meeting, the President and Treasurer will present
their reports for 2002, and the 2003 SLUG Committee will be elected.

Summary: nominations for SLUG committee 2003 are now open and should be
sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Anyone standing for election or wanting to
vote must pay membership fees for 2003 before or at the March meeting.

SLUG membership:

People wanting to vote in the elections, and people standing for a
committee position, *must* become financial members of SLUG for the
coming year.

All existing SLUG memberships expire before the AGM.

A full year of SLUG membership costs $25. This can be paid at any
time from now until the AGM to the SLUG Treasurer, Jamie Wilkinson.
(You can pay after the AGM too, for that matter, to the new
treasurer, but you obviously will have missed voting.)

Elections:

All SLUG committee positions will become vacant before the AGM and a
new committee will be elected.

Positions:
 - President: responsible for chairing committee meetings. Informal
   responsibilities include steering SLUG, and representing SLUG to
   the public and media.

 - Vice-president: The president's right-hand, left-hand, and other
   limbs as appropriate.

 - Secretary: Takes minutes at committee meetings, handles
   correspondence.

 - Treasurer: handles SLUG finances. The SLUG treasurer will need to
   be organised and capable of keeping correct records of income and
   expenditure.

 - Ordinary committee members: There are three ordinary committee
   members.

   Nominations are now open and will close just before the election
   itself. Nominations should be sent to the [EMAIL PROTECTED] list.
   Nominations need to be seconded, which should also happen on
   [EMAIL PROTECTED]

   You should check with the nominee first to make sure they actually
   want to stand for election.

2002 committee:

   The 2002 committee, whose glorious reign ends at the AGM, is:

- President: Jeff Waugh

- Vice president: Craige McWhirter

- Secretary: Peter Hardy

- Treasurer: Jamie Wilkinson

- Ordinary members: Tony Green, Jan Schmidt, Mary Gardiner

Proxies:

   If you cannot attend the March meeting, you can appoint a proxy to
   vote on your behalf (the proxy can also vote on their own behalf).
   Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] and tell them the name of the person who
   holds your proxy vote. Make sure you've paid for your 2003 membership
   if you do this!
   
   If you don't know anyone who can proxy for you, email
   [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the names of the nominees you wish to vote
   for, and a 2002 committee member will be your proxy.

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[SLUG] Samba wb_group

2003-02-16 Thread Simon Bryan
Hi all,
I am trying to work out why my wb_group is not working with my Samba setup
(everything else in winbind seems to test OK).
I have not been able to find any references for wb_group and how to
troubleshoot it, does anyone know where I can find some?

wbinfo can give me all the Users and Groups but wb_info does not respond
with anything - not even ERR

_
Simon Bryan
IT Manager
OLMC Parramata
ICQ#: 137562751
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[SLUG] Sed and ^M

2003-02-16 Thread Daniel Harper

Anyone know how to rip ^M (dos line return) using sed?
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[SLUG] OT: Australian Wireless Association - Field Day 9

2003-02-16 Thread Jamie Lovick

Hi,

Sorry for the slightly off-topic post, but I thought this may interest
some. Apologies for anyone who have already seen this.

Regards

Jamie

--
Australian Wireless Association - Field Day 9

The Australian Wireless Association are soon holding their next field
day.

The day will feature with information sessions from a variety of large
wireless vendors giving you a chance to ask questions regarding
wireless, as well as discussions about the Association, the network and
many other items that will be open for discussion.

There will be live demonstrations of a variety of equipment including
VoIP hardware, locally setup WPOP's running the custom Debian based
Wireless Distribution which has been designed for the network by the
Routing Working Group. Other equipment on display will include a variety
of antennae and other wireless hardware.

When?  Sunday, March 2nd, 2003 @ 1pm till 5pm
Where? Meadowbank Park, Adelaide St, Meadowbank (presentations to be
   heldin the netball associations hall)

How to get there?

Car   - Turn onto Adelaide Street from Victoria Road, head down to the
end.
Bus   - Get a bus into West Ryde on Victoria Road, walk down Adelaide
Street (about 1km)
Train - Train to Meadowbank Station, walk down Constitution Road. There are
a few places you can cut accross the park straight to the
netball courts/rooms.

So we have some idea of how many people to expect on the day, we ask
that you register for the event, please go to our registration page at:

http://www.australianwireless.org/rego/

Membership forms available on the day for those who wish to join and
support the association. Membership fee's incurr a $65 joining fee and
an ongoing $35 per annum membership fee. Membership to the association
provides you with the many benifits that the association has to offer.

To assist in covering the cost for the venue, atleast a gold coin
donation at the door would be appreciated.

After this larger event, it is likely that future field days will be
regionalised to make them more available to members and others
interested in wireless. These localised events will be run by members
with local knowledge with the support of the association.

If you are interested in helping with localised events, please come
along to the field day, or Email us at [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Please feel free to pass this invitation on to others who may be
interested in this event.

Hope to see you all there!

Regards, The Australian Wireless Association

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[SLUG] MS Game Voice

2003-02-16 Thread Adam Hewitt
Hi All,

I was wondering if anyone has information on how to get the gamevoice
working, or rather the best way to get it working.

I have found a software package called teamspeak which looks like it
will do the trick, however it is only compatible with itself, so
everyone wanting to chat can only use Teamspeak. I would be interested
in finding a solution which uses the msn network so that I can chat with
other people who are using the MS version.

If I am forced to use the teamspeak software and try and convice my
friends to swap over, then is there a way to get voice recognition
working like the MS version so that voice commands will change weapons
in UT etc??

Any hints or advice would be appreciated

Cheers

Adam.


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Re: [SLUG] Sed and ^M

2003-02-16 Thread Ken Foskey
On Mon, 2003-02-17 at 13:23, Daniel Harper wrote:
> Anyone know how to rip ^M (dos line return) using sed?

without reading the manual you might try 's/\r//g' this is definitely
not portable, if not use hex characters \015 from memory again...
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Re: [SLUG] dsl and networking.

2003-02-16 Thread Ken Foskey
On Sun, 2003-02-16 at 23:30, Dinesh wrote:
> hi all,
> 
> I am planning to buy a cisco 827-4V for home to learn.  I have a problem in
> that, the cisco 827-4V only supports 1 Ethernet and one adsl interface.  The
> problem is I have a cable connection which relies on a dhcp server, so I
> need ethernet for the cable connection.  Which only leaves me with the adsl
> port to play around with.
> 
> Is there anything on linux I can interface the cisco 827-4v to the Linux
> gateway machine, by the ADSL port? Is this do-able?

It is not a problem to put three network cards into a linux router /
firewall box:

router >  Linux eth0
cable ->  Linux eth1
private network <---  Linux eth2

Of course you could get a dsl card for Linux and go directly in.

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RE: [SLUG] dsl and networking.

2003-02-16 Thread Dinesh Birlasekaran
Hi Ken,

Is this workable solution with voice? If so it looks great, I can put a 3nics on linux.

Wanted to know if there are any restrictions on the cisco 827-4v, as the adsl 
interface is the one which is supposed to be the default out(to internet).  In this 
case there will be another network between the router and Link eth0.  Anand also 
suggested something close to this(like putting a switch), but I don't want to buy and 
see that it doesn't work.

regards,

Dinesh.


-Original Message-
From: Ken Foskey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, February 17, 2003 12:09 PM
To: slug
Subject: Re: [SLUG] dsl and networking.


On Sun, 2003-02-16 at 23:30, Dinesh wrote:
> hi all,
> 
> I am planning to buy a cisco 827-4V for home to learn.  I have a problem in
> that, the cisco 827-4V only supports 1 Ethernet and one adsl interface.  The
> problem is I have a cable connection which relies on a dhcp server, so I
> need ethernet for the cable connection.  Which only leaves me with the adsl
> port to play around with.
> 
> Is there anything on linux I can interface the cisco 827-4v to the Linux
> gateway machine, by the ADSL port? Is this do-able?

It is not a problem to put three network cards into a linux router /
firewall box:

router >  Linux eth0
cable ->  Linux eth1
private network <---  Linux eth2

Of course you could get a dsl card for Linux and go directly in.

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Re: [SLUG] hi

2003-02-16 Thread Jean-Francois Dive
On Mon, 2003-02-17 at 08:32, Dave Kempe wrote:
> Buying that router to learn on doesn't sound like a great idea to me.
> If you plug the cable connection into the ethernet how are you going to
> route? The ADSL interface probably won't work in the way you expect.
> 
> If you want to learn Cisco there are router sims and cheap 2nd hand
> modular routers like the 1720 around that will be more flexible.
> 
> Your best bet however for ADSL to work something like you expect is the
> Roaring penguin PPPoE does have some sort of Access concentrator mode.

rp-pppoe have a pppoe server side (terminate the pppoe connection).
PPPoE is the encapsulation used on top of the DSL physical network,
others are available (PPPoA, bridging). For this scenario, he needs the
physical to work too and this is another story.

> I have no idea how/if it works tho, I just read it exists.
> 
> dave
> 
> 
> On Sun, 2003-02-16 at 23:30, Dinesh wrote:
> > hi all,
> > 
> > I am planning to buy a cisco 827-4V for home to learn.  I have a problem in
> > that, the cisco 827-4V only supports 1 Ethernet and one adsl interface.  The
> > problem is I have a cable connection which relies on a dhcp server, so I
> > need ethernet for the cable connection.  Which only leaves me with the adsl
> > port to play around with.
> > 
> > Is there anything on linux I can interface the cisco 827-4v to the Linux
> > gateway machine, by the ADSL port? Is this do-able?
> > 
> > Any help is appreciated.
> > 
> > Dinesh.
> > 
> 
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