Re: [SLUG] Oracle over NFS
At 11:13 8/09/2003, Tony Green wrote: I'm looking at setting up a new oracle install which, ideally, would access it's data over a SAN. That's not a problem, apart from the expense. Does anyone have experience in running oracle over NFS? I'm thinking of a dedicated gigabit link betwixt client and server. From a physical link point of view, this is gonna be pretty damned slow. The figures I hear are that gig cards have a typical throughput of 400Mbit/s, at the physical end, which, when you add in the vagaries of TCP, IP, and NFS, doesn't leave you with a whole heap of bandwidth. Someone correct me if I'm wrong about these figures. Also, from what I've read, TCP/IP is a pretty bad medium for file transfer, as it's more optimised towards failure-recovery on poor links than raw transfer performance (Like FC). In terms of performance, you might see ~35MB/s peak, at an educated guess, which is a joke compared to even an older (1Gb) model SAN (~100MB/s (With the right disk drives/RAID config) -- I understand you should see very close to the theoretical peak performance, given the reliability of the medium and the optimisations of the FC protocol). 35MB/s is actually less than a good high-performance IDE disk should give you nowadays. This is not to consider latency, on which I have no data, but may well be worth considering. Assuming that the goal you have in mind is fail-over, and cost is a big issue, I've found that simple hot-swap drives (or arrays) are the cheapest/easiest fix. With two identical machines and one array, if a machine falls over, then you just flip the cable up to another / swap the drives around. This satisfies most uptime needs, and avoids the bleeding edge cost of 'enterprise' solutions (with (semi-) automated fail over) like SANs. In short, look elsewhere. The performance will be crap from a hardware point of view, not just a software one (Even if the gig link performs at max, 100MB/s, this is not much compared to the throughput of a good RAID array). Cheers, Matt -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Oracle over NFS
I've done some more digging and spoken with a few people. I'm surprised to see that Oracle themselves support storing data on an NFS system ?!?! They do specify that you use netapp filers, but other than that it's just NFS. I'm not too worried about the overall bandwidth at this time, I've got a lot of 'proof of concept' testing to see if it'll work in practice, but it looks good so far. Thanks for all the input. greeno -- Tony Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
RE: [SLUG] Mail redirecting
- Maha! thanks bundles. I knew it would be simple ;) -- Jared Pritchard ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Macquarie Telecom Pty. Ltd. 48 Carrington Ave. Dubbo NSW 2830, Australia -- -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [Fwd: RE: [SLUG] Oracle over NFS]
Hi Tony I thought Oracle would use some sort of TCP/IP ports to communicate with a client end application. NFS sounds wrong unless you want to access the whole DB Binary file and its other bits (BI journals etc). I'm not into Oracle but most RDBMS work like this: Client Software local or remote |-TCP/IP---| RDBMS Server Process(listening on Port X) This is true of Progress RDBMS, Hypersonic, Postgresql (in TCP/IP mode). HTH Stu On Mon, 2003-09-08 at 12:05, Tony Green wrote: Passing onto the list (thanks Jill) -Forwarded Message- From: Tony Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Rowling, Jill [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [SLUG] Oracle over NFS Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2003 11:45:43 +1000 On Mon, 2003-09-08 at 11:41, Rowling, Jill wrote: The only problem I can think of is NFS timeouts clashing with any Oracle timeouts. If the database is not in use for some time, and NFS does its timeout thing (typ 30 seconds), I would read up to see if Oracle has a shorter timeout before it complains that the database is unavailable. Thats the 'gotcha' that I'd thought of. Also one of the NASs that I looked at had this terrible NFS setup where it exported everything if you wanted NFS at all. Very trusting and not secure (a Win2k box with lots of Win2k things missing from it). A Linux / BSD / Solaris NAS would be better than the off-the-shelf NASs that run Windows. Yeah, I'm looking at doing a NAS with just a big box and a bunch of RAID disks rather than a black box one. Why don't you just plug in an extra controller and add a disk array? You would get better performance. NFS is better suited to individual applications to share data or home directories amongst servers. The shared aspect is the key. 2 boxes both able to access the data (oracle and application failover), otherwise I'd disk array it. Thanks for the insights :-) TG -- Tony Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Oracle over NFS
On Mon, 8 Sep 2003, Tony Green wrote: I've done some more digging and spoken with a few people. I'm surprised to see that Oracle themselves support storing data on an NFS system ?!?! They do specify that you use netapp filers, but other than that it's just NFS. I'm not too worried about the overall bandwidth at this time, I've got a lot of 'proof of concept' testing to see if it'll work in practice, but it looks good so far. It can be done and it does work. You really do need something like gigabit ethernet or better. You also have to watch your UID mappings. As well, you should make sure your host database is allocated lots of disk spindles and have your control and redo files on separate disks if at all possible. rachel -- Rachel PolanskisSystems Admin, University of Western Sydney V1-37, Kingswood Campus (+61 2) 47 360 291 [EMAIL PROTECTED] They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security - Benjamin Franklin, 1759 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [Fwd: RE: [SLUG] Oracle over NFS]
quote who=Stuart Guthrie I thought Oracle would use some sort of TCP/IP ports to communicate with a client end application. NFS sounds wrong unless you want to access the whole DB Binary file and its other bits (BI journals etc). I'm not into Oracle but most RDBMS work like this: Client Software local or remote |-TCP/IP---| RDBMS Server Process(listening on Port X) ^ but when you want redundancy over here, it can get ugly and complicated. :-) - Jeff -- linux.conf.au 2004: Adelaide, Australia http://lca2004.linux.org.au/ You gotta know when to hold 'em, know when to fold 'em, know when to walk away, and know when to run. - Kenny Rogers, The Gambler -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Mail redirecting -
On Tue, 2003-09-09 at 05:12, Jared Pritchard wrote: hey ppl - our server redirects any email sent to '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' to my boss, but he wants it to come to me from now on, because the only thing that would ever come from root are basically any errors returned by cron etc. and I am the one that needs to know of those :) hehehe One more suggestion is to check for a .forward file in the /root directory (assuming the home directory of root is /root not / or /home/root) -- Thanks KenF OpenOffice.org developer -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] radius script
Hi All, I have a file which has lines in it like the following: username1,password1,7200,10800 username2,password2,7200,10800 username3,password3,10800,10800 etc...and I need to turn the file into this: username1 Password = password1 Idle-Timeout = 7200, Session-Timeout = 10800, Failover = 1 Would one of you kind sed guru's please give me some advise on how I could go about accomplishing this feat? This file is *long* and I refuse to have to sit there for hours cutting and pasting because of my scripting ignorance...and this needs to be done ASAP :( Maybe I should get my arse into gear and start learning to program... Cheers, Adam. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] airsnort
This one time, at band camp, Adam Hewitt wrote: Hi All, Just wondering if anyone has managed to get airsnort working with their apple airport card? There is a link from the airsnort homepage, however it seems to be broken. The airport drvier in 2.4.22-ben2 and lower doesn't have scan support, so you can't hunt for APs and other useful things, which makes airsnort and kismet fairly useless. I mailed David Gibson a short while ago and he did say he was aware of patches to do this, and he was hoping to have a look at applying the code soon. If you hunt around the debian-powerpc list, you'll find various patches for various versions of the orinoco/airport drivers, and you'll have various amounts of luck applying any of them. I never got any of them to work. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://spacepants.org/jaq.gpg -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] Linux and windows
Hello I would like to run windows from within linux and have heard about programs such as Win4LIn and Vmware. I was going to use mandrake 9.0 as this is going to be my second attempt to use linux since trying red hat a year ago. Is mandrake 9 and win4lin a good option, the only thing I need windows for is my girlfriends MSn messenger, Shogun Total war and MS Excel. I am a novice any hints or tips welcome cheers Sayth -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] music composition
Hi all I'm looking for music composition software that runs in linux any thoughts on this much apreaciated so far found UltiMusE-LX on freshmeat regards Russell --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Free Antivirus @ http://www.grisoft.com/ Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.514 / Virus Database: 312 - Release Date: 28/08/03 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] radius script
On Mon, 2003-09-08 at 22:29, Adam Hewitt wrote:
username1,password1,7200,10800
username2,password2,7200,10800
username3,password3,10800,10800
etc...and I need to turn the file into this:
username1 Password = password1
Idle-Timeout = 7200,
Session-Timeout = 10800,
Failover = 1
Would one of you kind sed guru's please give me some advise on how I
could go about accomplishing this feat? This file is *long* and I refuse
to have to sit there for hours cutting and pasting because of my
scripting ignorance...and this needs to be done ASAP :(
I'd have thought awk would be better for this than sed. And awk is one
of those things that only looks hard until you've tried it. :-)
Actually, like most things, the hardest part seems to be figuring out
how to escape stuff from the shell properly.
Also like sed, it has a very thorough man page, with lots of
easy-to-follow examples.
Something like:
$ cat original-file | awk -F, '{ print $1\tPassword = \$2\
print \tIdle-Timeout = $3,
print \tSession-Timeout = $4,
print \tFailover = 1 }' new-file
should do the trick, but I haven't really tested it. Hopefully it's
clear enough to understand and make work properly. :-)
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Re: [SLUG] Postfix, SMTP, ipchains firwall or postfix.conf ?
** Reply to note from Paul Forrester [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mon, 08 Sep 2003 12:59:53 +1000 Try going to: /etc/postfix/main.cf Comment out: inet_interfaces = localhost and uncomment inet_interfaces = all Paul, thanks for pointing that out, yes, I did have it wrong, though, it didn't help. HOWEVER, as I've run out of ideas, I ended re-installing Postfix, and, guess what: I can now telnet to it from another host. now i can start trying to config it... hope you'll lend a hand again ! Voytek Eymont -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] radius script
divide the circumference by 6.283 Stuart. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] radius script
On Mon, 8 Sep 2003, Adam Hewitt wrote:
I have a file which has lines in it like the following:
username1,password1,7200,10800
username2,password2,7200,10800
username3,password3,10800,10800
etc...and I need to turn the file into this:
username1 Password = password1
Idle-Timeout = 7200,
Session-Timeout = 10800,
Failover = 1
Heh .. I've often had to write something that does the reverse, i.e.
Radius format == CSV.
Here is a perl one-liner that reads the user records from STDIN:
perl -n -e 'chomp; @a=split/,/; print qq{$a[0] Password = $a[1]\n
Idle-Timeout = $a[2],\nSession-Timeout = $a[3],\nFailover = 1\n\n}'
((not a recommended programming practice!))
cheers
rickw
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Every program attempts to expand until it can read mail. Those programs
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Re: [SLUG] music composition
On Mon, 8 Sep 2003, Russell Davie wrote: G'day, tried Rosegarden and Audacity yet? cheers http://freshmeat.net/projects/rosegarden/ Hi all I'm looking for music composition software that runs in linux any thoughts on this much apreaciated so far found UltiMusE-LX on freshmeat regards Russell kind regards Norm -- Epsilon-6! Ph:+612 8807-4780 Fax: +612 8807-4498 E-Solutions for BSD and Linux http://www.paladincorp.com.au/ This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Linux and windows
On Mon, 2003-09-08 at 22:53, Sayth wrote: Is mandrake 9 and win4lin a good option, the only thing I need windows for is my girlfriends MSn messenger, Shogun Total war and MS Excel. I don't use Mandrake, but a lot of people on this list do, and recommend it strongly, especially for new users. Finding help shouldn't be a problem. :-) Depending on what you use MSN for, you might find one of the many Linux clients suitable. My personal favourite is gaim (http://gaim.sourceforge.net/). Otherwise Win4Lin should run it just fine. Win4Lin will run Excel without any problems. Also worth looking at is Crossover Office (http://codeweavers.com/products/office/), which will probably run significantly faster than Win4Lin, and supports Excel. And again, I haven't had any problems opening Excel files in Linux spreadsheet programs; gnumeric (http://gnumeric.org/) is very good, as is OpenOffice (http://openoffice.org/) for a broader Office replacement. I don't know if this is still true, but Win4Lin used to have problems with DirectX, so Shogun is probably out of the question. I'm not sure if/how you'd be able to get it running in Linux. Good luck, -- Pete -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
RE: [SLUG] anti-virus software for linux
Sophos have linux mail server product. Must admit I've never used sophos on linux, but in windows its pretty good and easy to manage. Cheers Rob T -Original Message- From: Del [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, 6 September 2003 11:26 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [SLUG] anti-virus software for linux Jeff Waugh wrote: Free Software: clamav. Works surprisingly well, community maintained, many people feel that it doesn't provide the response times to new viruses that proprietary solutions do. Proprietary Software: NOD32. Fast, effective, and fairly malleable. I'd recommend it. I've used NOD32 and Kaspersky (KAV) and found Kaspersky to be superior overall. Anyway, YMMV. Web sites are here: http://www.nod32.com/ http://www.kasperskylabs.com/ The NOD32 software makes you pay for a per-user license to use it on a mail server. The Kaspersky labs software is a single-server license for as many users as you want. -- Del -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug * This mail, including any attached files may contain confidential and privileged information for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). Any review, use, distribution or disclosure by others is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended receipient (or authorised to receive information for the recipient), please contact the sender by reply e-mail and delete all copies of this message. * -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Linux and windows
redhat has msn messanger -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] music composition
Russell Davie wrote: I'm looking for music composition software that runs in linux any thoughts on this much apreaciated so far found UltiMusE-LX on freshmeat Noteedit seems good, although I have yet to test it out for anything useful beyond half an hour of fiddling. http://tan.informatik.tu-chemnitz.de/~jan/noteedit/noteedit.html http://linux-sound.org/ is a good place to start. Denis -- Department of Contemporary Music Studies Macquarie University NSW 2109 Australia, ph: +61 (0)2 9850 6787, fax: 9850 6593 http://www.ccms.mq.edu.au -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] music composition
For typesetting sheet music you can use lilypond - it makes the best looking sheet music Ive seen from a computer. BB on Mon, Sep 08, 2003 at 11:16:40PM +1000, Russell Davie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all I'm looking for music composition software that runs in linux any thoughts on this much apreaciated so far found UltiMusE-LX on freshmeat regards Russell --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Free Antivirus @ http://www.grisoft.com/ Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.514 / Virus Database: 312 - Release Date: 28/08/03 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] music composition
Russell Davie wrote: I'm looking for music composition software that runs in linux any thoughts on this much apreaciated so far found UltiMusE-LX on freshmeat Noteedit seems good, although I have yet to test it out for anything useful beyond half an hour of fiddling. http://tan.informatik.tu-chemnitz.de/~jan/noteedit/noteedit.html http://linux-sound.org/ is a good place to start. Denis -- Department of Contemporary Music Studies Macquarie University NSW 2109 Australia, ph: +61 (0)2 9850 6787, fax: 9850 6593 http://www.ccms.mq.edu.au -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Linux and windows
On Tue, 2003-09-09 at 00:44, Peter Hardy wrote: On Mon, 2003-09-08 at 22:53, Sayth wrote: Is mandrake 9 and win4lin a good option, the only thing I need windows for is my girlfriends MSn messenger, Shogun Total war and MS Excel. Depending on what you use MSN for, you might find one of the many Linux clients suitable. My personal favourite is gaim (http://gaim.sourceforge.net/). Otherwise Win4Lin should run it just fine. There may well be problems using MSN messenger on linux come October 15th. Quoted from the gaim site MS has decided that everyone should upgrade to MSN version 5.0 or higher. MSN v5 is the first to use their MSN Protocol v8, which is the first to use SSL for login. Now, we know how to login over this. This is not hard, and we will be supporting MSNP9, the latest version of the protocol, soon. However, upgrading to this does not guarantee us anything. Whereas previously, Microsoft has let third party clients connect, they now require a license for doing so. They still encourage clients to connect to their network, so with any luck, we can work something out. If not, people may find a way to connect anyway, but the legalities of this are pretty obvious. Key words: Intellectual Property and DMCA. http://gaim.sourceforge.net/msn.php -- Tony Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] how to re-install RH73 with minimum disruption
I have been trying to set up a RH7.3 web/mail server. Apache and MySQL worked with just minor config hickups (lack of php-mysql support, that is apparently a well known problem with RH (according to a readme)) Apache and MySQL are now in production, and, work well but I have struck a number of 'strange' and unrelated problems, such as: - changing user's passwd on command line crashes the passwd utility; workaround: use Webmin; solution: unresolved - unable to compile CourierIMAP, corrupt file in gcc; solution: reinstall gcc - unable to access Postfix's SMTP 25 externally; solution: reinstall Postfix this leads me to think that there is something seriously flawed with this system, and unless I 'do something' soon, this server will bite my backside at the time I least need it. as I saw on the list, SLUG was searching for a topic for the next meeting, so, I thought maybe I'll bring this machine as worthwile project ? ;) seriously though: I guess I should reinstall the operating system itself, at the very least, and, the other stuff can be re-installed if and when needed. thus I need some pointers and suggestions on re-installing this is a RH73 with all relevant 'up2date' installed do I boot from RH7.3 CD, select 'UPGRADE', DESELECT apps, following completion run 'up2date' ? OR ? RH 'upgrade' preservers all /etc and /home, as far as I know? Voytek Eymont -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] how to re-install RH73 with minimum disruption
- unable to compile CourierIMAP, corrupt file in gcc; solution: reinstal gcc when you say reeinstall do you mean using the original rpms? or from source? I'd run memtest86 on it for a few hours... Dave - unable to access Postfix's SMTP 25 externally; solution: reinstall Postfix this leads me to think that there is something seriously flawed with this system, and unless I 'do something' soon, this server will bite my backside at the time I least need it. as I saw on the list, SLUG was searching for a topic for the next meeting, so, I thought maybe I'll bring this machine as worthwile project ? ;) seriously though: I guess I should reinstall the operating system itself, at the very least, and, the other stuff can be re-installed if and when needed. thus I need some pointers and suggestions on re-installing this is a RH73 with all relevant 'up2date' installed do I boot from RH7.3 CD, select 'UPGRADE', DESELECT apps, following completion run 'up2date' ? OR ? RH 'upgrade' preservers all /etc and /home, as far as I know? Voytek Eymont -- David Airlie, Software Engineer http://www.skynet.ie/~airlied / [EMAIL PROTECTED] pam_smb / Linux DECstation / Linux VAX / ILUG person -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] how to re-install RH73 with minimum disruption
** Reply to note from Dave Airlie [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tue, 9 Sep 2003 01:24:08 +0100 (IST) - unable to compile CourierIMAP, corrupt file in gcc; solution: reinstal gcc when you say reeinstall do you mean using the original rpms? or from source? I'd run memtest86 on it for a few hours... Dave, as with regard to gcc: the proginal install was done form RH CDs, and, gcc was installed at system install, as part of system install. after I struck problem with 'corrupt file', I 'rpm removed' gcc and whatever rpm indicated was a pre-req dependency; I then 'rpm installed' everyting I remove in previous step in reverse order. then, it 'just worked' (much to my surprise, though, I won;t admit to the surprise part) Voytek Eymont -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] radius script
heh...Theres always got to be one cook who spoils the Pi ;o) Adam On Mon, 2003-09-08 at 22:08, Stuart Cooper wrote: divide the circumference by 6.283 Stuart. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] radius script
On Tue, Sep 09, 2003 at 08:49:07AM +0800, Adam Hewitt wrote: heh...Theres always got to be one cook who spoils the Pi I really think you're becoming irrational. - Matt -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] music composition
guru == guru [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: guru On Mon, 8 Sep 2003, Russell Davie wrote: guru G'day, tried Rosegarden and Audacity yet? cheers Hi all I'm looking for music composition software that runs in linux any thoughts on this much apreaciated so far found UltiMusE-LX on freshmeat regards Russell I compose in my head... but use lilypond for notation. http://www.lilypond.org/ as it produces the best typesetting for music that I know of. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
[Fwd: Re: [SLUG] music composition]
---BeginMessage--- I compose in my head... but use lilypond for notation. http://www.lilypond.org/ as it produces the best typesetting for music that I know of. I'll second that. Lilypond does a great job of typesetting music. Cheers Erich ---End Message--- -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] music composition
Peter Chubb wrote: I compose in my head... but use lilypond for notation. http://www.lilypond.org/ as it produces the best typesetting for music that I know of. There was a front end to this as well - denemo? I gave up on all of the pre-processors (abc, pm-something) when the going got difficult with other needs (guitar TAB with obscure tunings or multiple voices on the same staff, for example) and went straight to MusixTeX. Great output, but fiddly markup. Hard to transcribe or jot down composition ideas in these formats too - that's where MIDI input and front ends seem to be of benefit. Denis -- Department of Contemporary Music Studies Macquarie University NSW 2109 Australia, ph: +61 (0)2 9850 6787, fax: 9850 6593 http://www.ccms.mq.edu.au -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Linux and windows
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 09-09-2003 09:01:54 AM: On Tue, 2003-09-09 at 00:44, Peter Hardy wrote: On Mon, 2003-09-08 at 22:53, Sayth wrote: Is mandrake 9 and win4lin a good option, the only thing I need windows for is my girlfriends MSn messenger, Shogun Total war and MS Excel. Depending on what you use MSN for, you might find one of the many Linux clients suitable. My personal favourite is gaim (http://gaim.sourceforge.net/). Otherwise Win4Lin should run it just fine. There may well be problems using MSN messenger on linux come October 15th. --snip-- However, upgrading to this does not guarantee us anything. Whereas previously, Microsoft has let third party clients connect, they now require a license for doing so. They still encourage clients to connect to their network, so with any luck, we can work something out. If not, people may find a way to connect anyway, but the legalities of this are pretty obvious. Key words: Intellectual Property and DMCA. I'm not a solicitor or anything, but isn't it a basic right to be able to reverse engineer a product as long as you do not infringe patents and such - with the idea to increase competition and reduce monopoly markets? Cheers, Scott -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] music composition
Russell Davie wrote: Hi all I'm looking for music composition software that runs in linux any thoughts on this much apreaciated so far found UltiMusE-LX on freshmeat regards Russell Lots of links on Music TeX here and examples... http://icking-music-archive.org/software/indexmt6.html -- Mike Lake Caver, Linux enthusiast and interested in anything technical. UTS CRICOS Provider Code: 00099F DISCLAIMER This email message and any accompanying attachments may contain confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, do not read, use, disseminate, distribute or copy this message or attachments. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this message. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, except where the sender expressly, and with authority, states them to be the views the University of Technology Sydney. Before opening any attachments, please check them for viruses and defects. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
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Re: [SLUG] Linux and windows
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