Re: [SLUG] No more Red Hat Linux support after April 30 2004 - Q uick Survey

[Kevin Waterson]

> If you haven't heard the news, Red Hat will no longer provider errata
> updates for RHL after April 30 next year. (See
> http://www.newsforge.com/software/03/11/03/1657205.shtml ). (You'll have go
> to RH Enterprise Linux for support from them)
> 
> So a quick survey among Red Hat SLUGgers. I'm a long time RH user currently
> with a few RH9 machines. So where are you going to go to?
> 
> 1) Redhat Enterprise Linux? (and pay for the license and support)
> 2) Fedora (the spin-off free/open community supported project from RHL)?
> 3) Debian?
> 4) Mandrake?
> 5) Suse?
> 6) Gentoo?
> 7) Slackware?
> 8) Something else?

Sounds like more hysteria...
Myself, I have used rh for some time 10 year+ and have joined a legacy
project to support redhat releases from 7.3 up for some time to come.
This is of course the Fedora legacy project.
Fedora does of course come with 9 months of updates free of charge.
If that is not enough, you could choose another RedHat product.

Option 1 here seems a good choice, but RHEL is not the only offering
from redhat, I would suggest the author check redhat.com for other
available products.

If you have small servers, why not go with Professional Workstation (RHPW)
The cost is what you pay already for a boxed set plus updates. seems reasonable
to me.

I dont think 9.0 will be my last redhat, oh, if you are using 9.0, run this...
# /usr/libexec/redhat-credits

I will do my bit to give the Fedora, and other releases, an extended life.
You can of course, download the RHEL source and compile the thing yourself 
for free!

Most of my workstations now have been moved to OSX 10.3 and I will keep
my redhat machines for firewalling and devel, my main servers are moving to OpenBSD.
I really dont see any need at all to switch from redhat for these.
The same RH engineers responsible for sections of RHEL are
responsible for those same section of Fedora.

I really dont see what the drama is here.

Kind regards
Kevin

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Re: [SLUG] No more Red Hat Linux support after April 30 2004 - Quick Survey

[Alan L Tyree]

On Tue, 2003-11-04 at 17:42, Robert Collins wrote:
> On Tue, 2003-11-04 at 17:34, Brad Kowalczyk wrote:
> > >On Tue, 2003-11-04 at 15:11, Robert Collins wrote:
> > >  
> > >
> > > Also, as somebody else mentioned, Debian seems to be the (almost)
> > >
> > >universal choice of the professionals on this list. I *think* that is an
> > >argument in favour of giving it a try :-)
> 
> Just a note folk: watch your quoting: I never typed/said either of those
> things.
Sorry Rob. I was trying to be clever, not insult anybody. 

Regards,
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Re: [SLUG] No more Red Hat Linux support after April 30 2004 - Quick Survey

[Robert Collins]

On Tue, 2003-11-04 at 17:34, Brad Kowalczyk wrote:
> >On Tue, 2003-11-04 at 15:11, Robert Collins wrote:
> >  
> >
> > Also, as somebody else mentioned, Debian seems to be the (almost)
> >
> >universal choice of the professionals on this list. I *think* that is an
> >argument in favour of giving it a try :-)

Just a note folk: watch your quoting: I never typed/said either of those
things.

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Re: [SLUG] No more Red Hat Linux support after April 30 2004 - Quick Survey

[Brad Kowalczyk]

On Tue, 2003-11-04 at 15:11, Robert Collins wrote:
 

Also, as somebody else mentioned, Debian seems to be the (almost)

universal choice of the professionals on this list. I *think* that is an
argument in favour of giving it a try :-)
 

I also thought I'd give it a try for this reason. I got the base install 
done OK but had some troubles getting X installed and working. It was 
off an APC cover cd a few months back and I think it required me to 
download a heap of stuff off the net to actually get a 'proper' desktop 
OS happening. I'm very new to the UNIX/Linux scene but I'll buy a cd set 
one of these days and give it another go.

cheers,
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Re: [SLUG] PDF to latex or similar

[Alan L Tyree]

On Tue, 2003-11-04 at 15:22, Graham Smith wrote:
> On Tue, 4 Nov 2003 13:48, Peter Chubb wrote:
> > > "Alan" == Alan L Tyree  writes:
> > The only (not very good) method I know for getting editable stuff from
> > a pdf is to use pstoedit.
> >
> 
> Just for info - Kword will import pdf files and does keep most of the 
> formatting and the text can be edited.
Sounds worth a look. Many thanks,
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Re: [SLUG] No more Red Hat Linux support after April 30 2004 - Quick Survey

[Alan L Tyree]

On Tue, 2003-11-04 at 15:11, Robert Collins wrote:
> On Tue, 2003-11-04 at 15:07, Andrew Bennetts wrote:
> > While it's got a new name and a more open development process than Red Hat
> > Linux, as I understand it it's still essentially the same system, so I'm
> > curious as to why Red Hat Linux becoming Fedora is a reason to switch to
> > Debian?
> 

Good question. I haven't really thought it through since I doubt if I
will be doing anything too soon.

> Debian has 10 years experience at community driven linux. Red Hat has
> none. (Well, not -quite- true. But close enough).

This makes Debian appealing to me. After all, it is one of the reasons
that I switched to Linux in the first place. Although the fact that the
other OS locked up on me twice a day also had something to do with it.

Also, as somebody else mentioned, Debian seems to be the (almost)
universal choice of the professionals on this list. I *think* that is an
argument in favour of giving it a try :-)

Cheers,
Alan

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Re: [SLUG] Removing Toolbars etc.. from browser window

[education]

Hi Brad:

Yes you are right. My mistake. I have not tried your suggestion yet. I
will post the outcome soon.

Cheers.

> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>>Hi Brad:
>>
>>[Louis] below.
>>
>>
>>
>>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
Hi :

I've tried this in the perl script with no luck. Here is what I did.
 I have this after reading replies I got.

$javascriptwin = "
function openWindow(u, n, w, h)
{
 var win = window.open(u, n, \"toolbar=no,location=no,\"+
 \"status=no,menubar=no,scrollbars=yes\"+
  \"width=\"+w+\",height=\"+h);
}
";

In the hash that has the  is pasted below:

%hashdata = (
...
'key_data' => [">>>onclick=\"openWindow(\"http://www.domain.com/file.html\",\"win\";,
 400, 400); return false;\">?<\/a>"],

);

This does not open a new window at all. I also do not even see the
 contents of the file as well.

Have I missed something here?




>>>rather than using the onclick event try:
>>>
>>>'key_data' => [">>openWindow(\"http://www.domain.com/file.html\",\"win\";, 400,
>>>400);\">?<\/a>"]
>>>
>>>
>>
>>[Louis] Sure but I also want no toolbars, no menu bars, but only
>> scrollbars.
>>
>>So I do this :
>>
>>$option = "toolbar=no,location=no,status=no,menubar=no,scrollbars=yes";
>>
>>and add $option at the tail of your code snippet.
>>
>>So I guess I add an extra variable in your code snippet. I will try
>> again with the above snippet and see what happens.
>>
>>
>
> No, you are calling your openWindow() function which allready has those
> details in it, does it not?
>
> cheers,
> Brad



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Re: [SLUG] No more Red Hat Linux support after April 30 2004 - Quick Survey

[Phil Scarratt]

Visser, Martin (Sydney) wrote:

If you haven't heard the news, Red Hat will no longer provider errata
updates for RHL after April 30 next year. (See
http://www.newsforge.com/software/03/11/03/1657205.shtml ). (You'll have
go to RH Enterprise Linux for support from them)
So a quick survey among Red Hat SLUGgers. I'm a long time RH user
currently with a few RH9 machines. So where are you going to go to?
1) Redhat Enterprise Linux? (and pay for the license and support)
2) Fedora (the spin-off free/open community supported project from RHL)?
3) Debian?
4) Mandrake?
5) Suse?
6) Gentoo?
7) Slackware?
8) Something else?
It would be interested to see the spread of responses.

Probably Fedora or Debian, depending on maintenance and security update 
availability (and the "time-to-market" thereof). I've heard a lot of 
good things about Debian on this list (and others), and will try it 
sometime soon (especially after this announcement). I may end up dealing 
with a few RH Enterprise' as businesses often don't like the sound of 
relying on a "community supported project" type distro

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Re: [SLUG] No more Red Hat Linux support after April 30 2004 - Quick Survey

[Kevin Saenz]

Doh, I meant I used to be RH and a Mandrake user until ...
> I used to be a Mandrake user until Michael and a few friends
> showed me the errors of my way. I have a tendency to lean
> towards Mandrake and Debian I think the two groups are very polar
> in their design and implementation. They have their different uses.
> > 3) Debian?
> > 4) Mandrake?
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Re: [SLUG] No more Red Hat Linux support after April 30 2004 - Quick Survey

[Jeff Allison]

I'll be (or am at the moment) switching to fedora. I've tried most of 
the distros but for a recent stable OS I still find redhat to be the 
one. And as the layout will be v similar to the redhat commercial 
products it means I'll still know what the paying folks want you to know.

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RE: [SLUG] No more Red Hat Linux support after April 30 2004 - QuickSurvey

[Visser, Martin (Sydney)]

I have to admit the Fedora project very much seems to be akin to the
Mozilla spin-off from Netscape. Of course this seems to have gone very
well, and even resulted in further user-driven developments such as
Firebird and Thunderbird. It will be interesting to see if the Linux
community becomes more fractured because of this, or unites behind one
or two distributions. (Most of the analyses of linux market share always
have Red Hat at least 50%, so there are a lot users that will need to
find a new place to hang their hat on (no pun intended!))

 

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-Original Message-
From: Andrew Bennetts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, 4 November 2003 3:25 PM
To: Sydney Linux User Group
Subject: Re: [SLUG] No more Red Hat Linux support after April 30 2004 -
QuickSurvey


On Tue, Nov 04, 2003 at 03:11:51PM +1100, Robert Collins wrote:
> On Tue, 2003-11-04 at 15:07, Andrew Bennetts wrote:
> > While it's got a new name and a more open development process than 
> > Red Hat Linux, as I understand it it's still essentially the same 
> > system, so I'm curious as to why Red Hat Linux becoming Fedora is a 
> > reason to switch to Debian?
> 
> Debian has 10 years experience at community driven linux. Red Hat has 
> none. (Well, not -quite- true. But close enough).

On the other hand, Red Hat's engineering team is still involved in
producing Fedora, they're just opening up the development process to
non-Red Hat contributors as well (or so it seems from reading
http://fedora.redhat.com/).  It reminds me of how Mozilla was developed
until quite recently.

So my guess was that people would've looked at Fedora as being like Red
Hat Linux, only better... but judging from responses from actual Red Hat
users, that's not necessarily the case.  Just goes to show how little
this Debian user knows about Red Hat ;)

-Andrew.

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Re: [SLUG] No more Red Hat Linux support after April 30 2004 - Quick Survey

[Broun, Bevan]

on Tue, Nov 04, 2003 at 02:21:31PM +1100, Visser, Martin (Sydney) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> So a quick survey among Red Hat SLUGgers. I'm a long time RH user
> currently with a few RH9 machines. So where are you going to go to?

Ill be going Debian. Ive only ever used RH but but I tend to compile my
most important apps myself so Im not too fussed. Ive noticed that most
techie people seem to like Debian so Ive been meaning to look at this for
some time.


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Re: [SLUG] No more Red Hat Linux support after April 30 2004 - Quick Survey

[Graham Smith]

On Tue, 4 Nov 2003 14:21, Visser, Martin (Sydney) wrote:
> If you haven't heard the news, Red Hat will no longer provider errata
> updates for RHL after April 30 next year. (See
> http://www.newsforge.com/software/03/11/03/1657205.shtml ). (You'll have
> go to RH Enterprise Linux for support from them)
>
> So a quick survey among Red Hat SLUGgers. I'm a long time RH user
> currently with a few RH9 machines. So where are you going to go to?
>
> 1) Redhat Enterprise Linux? (and pay for the license and support)
> 2) Fedora (the spin-off free/open community supported project from RHL)?
> 3) Debian?
> 4) Mandrake?
> 5) Suse?
> 6) Gentoo?
> 7) Slackware?
> 8) Something else?
>
> It would be interested to see the spread of responses.
>
> Martin

Well SuSE has a two year support cycle on the retail versions of their 
products. e.g. SuSE 9.0 Professional will be supported for the next two years 
for Security related issues.

http://www.suse.de/en/private/support/index.html
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Re: [SLUG] PDF to latex or similar

[Graham Smith]

On Tue, 4 Nov 2003 13:48, Peter Chubb wrote:
> > "Alan" == Alan L Tyree  writes:
> The only (not very good) method I know for getting editable stuff from
> a pdf is to use pstoedit.
>

Just for info - Kword will import pdf files and does keep most of the 
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Re: [SLUG] No more Red Hat Linux support after April 30 2004 - Quick Survey

[Andrew Bennetts]

On Tue, Nov 04, 2003 at 03:11:51PM +1100, Robert Collins wrote:
> On Tue, 2003-11-04 at 15:07, Andrew Bennetts wrote:
> > While it's got a new name and a more open development process than Red Hat
> > Linux, as I understand it it's still essentially the same system, so I'm
> > curious as to why Red Hat Linux becoming Fedora is a reason to switch to
> > Debian?
> 
> Debian has 10 years experience at community driven linux. Red Hat has
> none. (Well, not -quite- true. But close enough).

On the other hand, Red Hat's engineering team is still involved in producing
Fedora, they're just opening up the development process to non-Red Hat
contributors as well (or so it seems from reading
http://fedora.redhat.com/).  It reminds me of how Mozilla was developed
until quite recently.

So my guess was that people would've looked at Fedora as being like Red Hat
Linux, only better... but judging from responses from actual Red Hat users,
that's not necessarily the case.  Just goes to show how little this Debian
user knows about Red Hat ;)

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Re: [SLUG] No more Red Hat Linux support after April 30 2004 - Quick Survey

[Robert Collins]

On Tue, 2003-11-04 at 15:07, Andrew Bennetts wrote:
> While it's got a new name and a more open development process than Red Hat
> Linux, as I understand it it's still essentially the same system, so I'm
> curious as to why Red Hat Linux becoming Fedora is a reason to switch to
> Debian?

Debian has 10 years experience at community driven linux. Red Hat has
none. (Well, not -quite- true. But close enough).

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Re: [SLUG] No more Red Hat Linux support after April 30 2004 - Quick Survey

[Tony Green]

On Tue, 2003-11-04 at 15:07, Andrew Bennetts wrote:
> 
> I'm curious -- why would you choose Debian over Fedora?  I'm a happy Debian
> user, but I would've thought that someone with a Red Hat background would
> use Fedora?  
> 

In my view, the lack of corp support would be key.  The reason a lot of
people choose redhat by default is because of the name recognition etc.

If you're loosing that advantage, perhaps it's time to evaluate if your
distro is truly right for you.

(I'm assuming that fedora will not be officially supported by Redhat and
that vendors will start releasing products tested with RHAS-WE etc)
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Re: [SLUG] No more Red Hat Linux support after April 30 2004 - Quick Survey

[Andrew Bennetts]

On Tue, Nov 04, 2003 at 02:50:49PM +1100, Alan L Tyree wrote:
> 
> I have never used anything other than RH. I run a desktop machine, used
> mainly for writing book length projects and dealing with Word documents
> as part of a consultancy. Emacs + LaTeX + OpenOffice.org. I guess I'll
> bite the bullet and try to go for Debian.

I'm curious -- why would you choose Debian over Fedora?  I'm a happy Debian
user, but I would've thought that someone with a Red Hat background would
use Fedora?  

While it's got a new name and a more open development process than Red Hat
Linux, as I understand it it's still essentially the same system, so I'm
curious as to why Red Hat Linux becoming Fedora is a reason to switch to
Debian?

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Re: [SLUG] No more Red Hat Linux support after April 30 2004 - Quick Survey

[Kevin Saenz]

I used to be a Mandrake user until Michael and a few friends
showed me the errors of my way. I have a tendency to lean
towards Mandrake and Debian I think the two groups are very polar
in their design and implementation. They have their different uses.
> 3) Debian?
> 4) Mandrake?

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Re: [SLUG] No more Red Hat Linux support after April 30 2004 - Quick Survey

[Alan L Tyree]

On Tue, 2003-11-04 at 14:21, Visser, Martin (Sydney) wrote:
> If you haven't heard the news, Red Hat will no longer provider errata
> updates for RHL after April 30 next year. (See
> http://www.newsforge.com/software/03/11/03/1657205.shtml ). (You'll have
> go to RH Enterprise Linux for support from them)
> 
> So a quick survey among Red Hat SLUGgers. I'm a long time RH user
> currently with a few RH9 machines. So where are you going to go to?
> 
> 1) Redhat Enterprise Linux? (and pay for the license and support)
> 2) Fedora (the spin-off free/open community supported project from RHL)?
> 3) Debian?
> 4) Mandrake?
> 5) Suse?
> 6) Gentoo?
> 7) Slackware?
> 8) Something else?
> 
> It would be interested to see the spread of responses.

I have never used anything other than RH. I run a desktop machine, used
mainly for writing book length projects and dealing with Word documents
as part of a consultancy. Emacs + LaTeX + OpenOffice.org. I guess I'll
bite the bullet and try to go for Debian.

Cheers,
Alan

> 
> Martin
>  
> 
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> Network and Security Consultant 
> Technology & Infrastructure - Consulting & Integration
> HP Services
> 
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> Phone *: +61-2-9022-1670Mobile *: +61-411-254-513
>Fax 7: +61-2-9022-1800 E-mail * : martin.visserAThp.com
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Peter Chubb [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Tuesday, 4 November 2003 1:48 PM
> To: Alan L Tyree
> Cc: Sydney Linux User Group; Hal Ashburner
> Subject: Re: [SLUG] PDF to latex or similar
> 
> 
> > "Alan" == Alan L Tyree  writes:
> 
> Alan> On Tue, 2003-11-04 at 12:32, Hal Ashburner wrote:
> >> Alan, sorry, just playing catch up with my mail.
> >> 
> >> I've never used (or even seen this) but it may be interesting.
> >> 
> >> pdf2latex
> >> 
> 
> Alan> I have seen - the thing seems to be rather poorly named since it 
> Alan> is for creating pdf files from latex sources!!
> 
> I think you're getting mixed up with pdflatex.  A quick google search on
> pdf2latex shows only typos for pdflatex.
> 
> The only (not very good) method I know for getting editable stuff from a
> pdf is to use pstoedit.
> 
> Peter C
> 
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RE: [SLUG] No more Red Hat Linux support after April 30 2004 - Q uick Survey

[Rowling, Jill]

For work, I'd probably leave it alone until it well and truly breaks after a
few years.
Then I'd either use Fedora or Debian.
For home, it doesn't affect me -- using Debian.

-Original Message-
From: Visser, Martin (Sydney) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, 4 November 2003 2:22 PM
To: Sydney Linux User Group
Subject: [SLUG] No more Red Hat Linux support after April 30 2004 - Quick
Survey


If you haven't heard the news, Red Hat will no longer provider errata
updates for RHL after April 30 next year. (See
http://www.newsforge.com/software/03/11/03/1657205.shtml ). (You'll have go
to RH Enterprise Linux for support from them)

So a quick survey among Red Hat SLUGgers. I'm a long time RH user currently
with a few RH9 machines. So where are you going to go to?

1) Redhat Enterprise Linux? (and pay for the license and support)
2) Fedora (the spin-off free/open community supported project from RHL)?
3) Debian?
4) Mandrake?
5) Suse?
6) Gentoo?
7) Slackware?
8) Something else?

It would be interested to see the spread of responses.

Martin
 

Martin Visser ,CISSP
Network and Security Consultant 
Technology & Infrastructure - Consulting & Integration
HP Services

3 Richardson Place 
North Ryde, Sydney NSW 2113, Australia 
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-Original Message-
From: Peter Chubb [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, 4 November 2003 1:48 PM
To: Alan L Tyree
Cc: Sydney Linux User Group; Hal Ashburner
Subject: Re: [SLUG] PDF to latex or similar


> "Alan" == Alan L Tyree  writes:

Alan> On Tue, 2003-11-04 at 12:32, Hal Ashburner wrote:
>> Alan, sorry, just playing catch up with my mail.
>> 
>> I've never used (or even seen this) but it may be interesting.
>> 
>> pdf2latex
>> 

Alan> I have seen - the thing seems to be rather poorly named since it
Alan> is for creating pdf files from latex sources!!

I think you're getting mixed up with pdflatex.  A quick google search on
pdf2latex shows only typos for pdflatex.

The only (not very good) method I know for getting editable stuff from a pdf
is to use pstoedit.

Peter C


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Re: [SLUG] No more Red Hat Linux support after April 30 2004 - Quick Survey

[Peter Hardy]

Hey.

On Tue, 2003-11-04 at 14:21, Visser, Martin (Sydney) wrote:
> So a quick survey among Red Hat SLUGgers. I'm a long time RH user
> currently with a few RH9 machines. So where are you going to go to?
> 
> 1) Redhat Enterprise Linux? (and pay for the license and support)
> 2) Fedora (the spin-off free/open community supported project from RHL)?
> 3) Debian?
> 4) Mandrake?
> 5) Suse?
> 6) Gentoo?
> 7) Slackware?
> 8) Something else?

I work for a mostly Debian shop, but we manage a handful of Red Hat
machines, of various vintages.

Obviously, I'd like to move all of these to Debian also, just to make
life easier.  The fact that I'm a big debian fan is purely coincidental.
:-)

Because of issues with vendor support, though, we'll probably end up
with a mix of Debian and either RE or Fedora.

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[SLUG] No more Red Hat Linux support after April 30 2004 - Quick Survey

[Visser, Martin (Sydney)]

If you haven't heard the news, Red Hat will no longer provider errata
updates for RHL after April 30 next year. (See
http://www.newsforge.com/software/03/11/03/1657205.shtml ). (You'll have
go to RH Enterprise Linux for support from them)

So a quick survey among Red Hat SLUGgers. I'm a long time RH user
currently with a few RH9 machines. So where are you going to go to?

1) Redhat Enterprise Linux? (and pay for the license and support)
2) Fedora (the spin-off free/open community supported project from RHL)?
3) Debian?
4) Mandrake?
5) Suse?
6) Gentoo?
7) Slackware?
8) Something else?

It would be interested to see the spread of responses.

Martin
 

Martin Visser ,CISSP
Network and Security Consultant 
Technology & Infrastructure - Consulting & Integration
HP Services

3 Richardson Place 
North Ryde, Sydney NSW 2113, Australia 
Phone *: +61-2-9022-1670Mobile *: +61-411-254-513
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-Original Message-
From: Peter Chubb [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, 4 November 2003 1:48 PM
To: Alan L Tyree
Cc: Sydney Linux User Group; Hal Ashburner
Subject: Re: [SLUG] PDF to latex or similar


> "Alan" == Alan L Tyree  writes:

Alan> On Tue, 2003-11-04 at 12:32, Hal Ashburner wrote:
>> Alan, sorry, just playing catch up with my mail.
>> 
>> I've never used (or even seen this) but it may be interesting.
>> 
>> pdf2latex
>> 

Alan> I have seen - the thing seems to be rather poorly named since it 
Alan> is for creating pdf files from latex sources!!

I think you're getting mixed up with pdflatex.  A quick google search on
pdf2latex shows only typos for pdflatex.

The only (not very good) method I know for getting editable stuff from a
pdf is to use pstoedit.

Peter C


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Re: [SLUG] Postfix and regexp

[Voytek]

** Reply to note from Kevin Saenz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Tue, 04 Nov 2003 12:24:07 +1100
>   
> why are you tuesday 10pm?

Kevin, that's a good Q.

the answer is long and involved, and, I do not understand some parts of
it...

but if you really need to know:

this machine used to run 'daytime' against my web server, and, the
webserver run daytime against adelaide uni time server;

(not that corrections amounted to more than a second or two)

now that this machine is on intermittent dialup, I set the dialup to invoke
daytime augean.eleceng.adelaide.edu.au 
unknown to me, that no longer seems to be available
as a result of that, I was 1 hour out (DST)

so, today, when I noticed I'm out by DST, and, adelaide no longer is there,
I though, I'd try an NTPD instead of daytime, I've set up NTPD sometime in
1999, but, never used it since then, NTPD had these in:
poll interval = 16384
augean.eleceng.adelaide.edu.au
ntp.cs.mu.OZ.AU
ntp.ml.csiro.au
ntp.tip.CSIRO.AU
tick.usno.navy.mil
tock.usno.navy.mil
time.nist.gov
206.54.0.21

half of these no longer work, as I soon discovered, then, NTPD told me it's
correcting my clock by a weired amount of seconds and, I eneded really
way off. I then restarted NTPD again, again, it corrected my clock by some
weired amount. at which point I run daytime against tick/tock, and, it
fixed the time.

I guess, NTPD takes an average between local machine time as well as remote
clocks, and, I guess, NTPD shouldn't be invoked on on obviously incorrect
time, and, I guess, if I left NTPD running, it would eventually correct
the time. Perhaps an interval of '16384' prevented re-calc from being
somewhat quicker...

which reminds me, I should really configure ntpd on my Linux server.



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Re: [SLUG] PDF to latex or similar

[Peter Chubb]

> "Alan" == Alan L Tyree  writes:

Alan> On Tue, 2003-11-04 at 12:32, Hal Ashburner wrote:
>> Alan, sorry, just playing catch up with my mail.
>> 
>> I've never used (or even seen this) but it may be interesting.
>> 
>> pdf2latex
>> 

Alan> I have seen - the thing seems to be rather poorly named since it
Alan> is for creating pdf files from latex sources!!

I think you're getting mixed up with pdflatex.  A quick google search
on pdf2latex shows only typos for pdflatex.

The only (not very good) method I know for getting editable stuff from
a pdf is to use pstoedit.

Peter C


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[SLUG] Red Hat discontinues maintenance and errata support

[Russell Ashdown]

Red Hat has announced it will discontinue maintenance and errata  
support for Red Hat Linux 7.1, 7.2, 7.3 and 8.0 as of December 31,  
2003. Red Hat will also discontinue maintenance and errata support  
for Red Hat Linux 9 as of April 30, 2004. Red Hat does not plan to  
release another product in the Red Hat Linux line."   

Instead, Red Hat will now sell the box-set of Red Hat Linux which now 
 becomes "Red Hat Enterprise Linux" in three flavours:  "WS"  
(workstation, what we now use mostly), "ES" (the stuff we use now on  
steroids), and "AS" (advanced server).   

The Red Hat Linux we know and love will supposedly become "Fedora".  
But how Fedora is linked to Red Hat Linux is another question.  So  
far, all that I have read says that it will replace Red Hat's RPM's.  
Linux is not mentioned. 

The announced pricing is as follows: 
RHLE  WS (Linux 3) x86basic   $US179   standard   $US299  
Itanium,AMD64   ---   standard $US792 

RHLE  ES   x86  basic   $US349 standard   $US799 

RHLE  AS   x86  basic  $US1499  premium  $US2499 
Itanium,AMD64,IBM   basic  $US1992 premium  $US2998 
IBM series  basic $US15000 premium $US18000 

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Re: [SLUG] PDF to latex or similar

[Alan L Tyree]

On Tue, 2003-11-04 at 12:32, Hal Ashburner wrote:
> Alan,
> sorry, just playing catch up with my mail.
> 
> I've never used (or even seen this) but it may be interesting.
> 
> pdf2latex
> 
> http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=pdf2latex
> 
> Finding out what to search on sometimes takes a while... (maybe you've
already seen & rejected, in which case, as you were.)

I have seen - the thing seems to be rather poorly named since it is for
creating pdf files from latex sources!!

Thanks,
alan
> 
> Regards,
> Hal
> 
> 
> 
> Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 21:33:41 +1100
> From: Michael Lake <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: [SLUG] PDF to Latex or similar
> To: Sydney Linux User Group <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 
> 
> Alan L Tyree wrote:
> > I've done a brief Google w/o success. Is there some reasonable
> way to
> > convert PDF to Latex or to any readable markup?
> 
> In DEbian there is a package called xpdf-utils. That contains
> pdftotext:
> 
> NAME: pdftotext - Portable Document Format (PDF) to text converter
> SYNOPSIS: pdftotext [options] [PDF-file [text-file]]
> DESCRIPTION: Pdftotext converts Portable Document Format (PDF) files
> to 
> plain text. Pdftotext  reads  the PDF file, PDF-file, and writes a
> text 
> file, text-file.
> 
> There is an option:
> -htmlmeta: Generate a simple HTML file, including the  meta 
> information. This simply wraps the text in  and
>  and prepends 
> the meta headers.
> 
> pdftotext will give you the text but not the markup. :-(
> 
> 
> 
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[SLUG] PDF to latex or similar

[Hal Ashburner]

Alan,
sorry, just playing catch up with my mail.

I've never used (or even seen this) but it may be interesting.

pdf2latex

http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=pdf2latex

Finding out what to search on sometimes takes a while... (maybe you've already seen & 
rejected, in which case, as you were.)

Regards,
Hal



Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 21:33:41 +1100
From: Michael Lake <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [SLUG] PDF to Latex or similar
To: Sydney Linux User Group <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>


Alan L Tyree wrote:
> I've done a brief Google w/o success. Is there some reasonable
way to
> convert PDF to Latex or to any readable markup?

In DEbian there is a package called xpdf-utils. That contains
pdftotext:

NAME: pdftotext - Portable Document Format (PDF) to text converter
SYNOPSIS: pdftotext [options] [PDF-file [text-file]]
DESCRIPTION: Pdftotext converts Portable Document Format (PDF) files
to 
plain text. Pdftotext  reads  the PDF file, PDF-file, and writes a
text 
file, text-file.

There is an option:
-htmlmeta: Generate a simple HTML file, including the  meta 
information. This simply wraps the text in  and
 and prepends 
the meta headers.

pdftotext will give you the text but not the markup. :-(



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Re: [SLUG] Postfix and regexp

[Kevin Saenz]

why are you tuesday 10pm?

> ** Reply to note from Kevin Saenz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Tue, 04 Nov 2003 00:31:14 +1100
> 
> 
> > It will be in your next email. 
> 
> thanks, I'll try to implement later today
> 
> > > say, I'm DISCARDing all windoze executables, except .doc and .xls, now, 
> > > that should stop majority of windoze malware, no ? Except for HTML emails 
> > > hidden malware ? and, word/excel macros malware ? is that a reasonable 
> > > assumption ? 
> > >  
> > I hope you're kidding. :) 
> 
> Kevin,
> 
> doesn't a windoze malware has to be some kind of executable
> application, as per specs below ??
> 
> I'm DISCARDing anyhting like these:
> 
> # M$-Windoze vulnerable to all these as email-borne viruses/worms/trojans
> # Added .ade, .adp, .bas, .cpl, .crt, .hlp, .inf, .ins, .isp, .lnk, .mdb,
> # .mde, .msc, .msi, .msp, .mst, .pcd, .reg, .sct, .shs, .url, .vb, and .wsc 
> /^Content-(Disposition|Type):\s+.+?(?:file)?name="?.+?\.(386|ad[ept]|app|as[dpx]|ba[st]|bin|btm|cab|cbt|cgi|chm|cil|cla(ss)?|cmd|cp[el]|crt|cs[chs]|cvp|dll|dot|drv|em(ai)?l|ex[_e]|fon|fxp|hlp|ht[ar]|in[fips]|isp|jar|jse?|keyreg|ksh|lib|lnk|md[abetw]|mht(m|ml)?|mp3|ms[ciopt]|nte|nws|obj|ocx|ops|ov.|pcd|pgm|pif|p[lm]|pot|pps|prg|reg|sc[rt]|sh[bs]?|slb|smm|sw[ft]|sys|url|vb[esx]?|vir|vmx|vxd|wm[dsz]|ws[cfh]|xms|\{[\da-f]{8}(?:-[\da-f]{4}){3}-[\da-f]{12}\})\b/
> REJECT hc1 ".$2"
>  file attachment types not allowed  
> 
> apart from HTML emails and word/excel, how else can windoze malware travel
> ?
> 
> what am I missing ?
> 
> Voytek Eymont
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Re: [SLUG] Postfix and regexp

[Kevin Saenz]

> doesn't a windoze malware has to be some kind of executable
> application, as per specs below ??
> 
Sorry I read you wrong.
there are some tips in stopping windows executables from coming into
your network


> what am I missing ?
> 
I have spamassassin and anomy killing most windows executables.

> Voytek Eymont
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Re: [SLUG] Postfix and regexp

[Voytek]

** Reply to note from Kevin Saenz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Tue, 04 Nov 2003 00:31:14 +1100


> It will be in your next email. 

thanks, I'll try to implement later today

> > say, I'm DISCARDing all windoze executables, except .doc and .xls, now, 
> > that should stop majority of windoze malware, no ? Except for HTML emails 
> > hidden malware ? and, word/excel macros malware ? is that a reasonable 
> > assumption ? 
> >  
> I hope you're kidding. :) 

Kevin,

doesn't a windoze malware has to be some kind of executable
application, as per specs below ??

I'm DISCARDing anyhting like these:

# M$-Windoze vulnerable to all these as email-borne viruses/worms/trojans
# Added .ade, .adp, .bas, .cpl, .crt, .hlp, .inf, .ins, .isp, .lnk, .mdb,
# .mde, .msc, .msi, .msp, .mst, .pcd, .reg, .sct, .shs, .url, .vb, and .wsc 
/^Content-(Disposition|Type):\s+.+?(?:file)?name="?.+?\.(386|ad[ept]|app|as[dpx]|ba[st]|bin|btm|cab|cbt|cgi|chm|cil|cla(ss)?|cmd|cp[el]|crt|cs[chs]|cvp|dll|dot|drv|em(ai)?l|ex[_e]|fon|fxp|hlp|ht[ar]|in[fips]|isp|jar|jse?|keyreg|ksh|lib|lnk|md[abetw]|mht(m|ml)?|mp3|ms[ciopt]|nte|nws|obj|ocx|ops|ov.|pcd|pgm|pif|p[lm]|pot|pps|prg|reg|sc[rt]|sh[bs]?|slb|smm|sw[ft]|sys|url|vb[esx]?|vir|vmx|vxd|wm[dsz]|ws[cfh]|xms|\{[\da-f]{8}(?:-[\da-f]{4}){3}-[\da-f]{12}\})\b/
REJECT hc1 ".$2"
 file attachment types not allowed  

apart from HTML emails and word/excel, how else can windoze malware travel
?

what am I missing ?

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Re: [SLUG] Removing Toolbars etc.. from browser window

[Phil Scarratt]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

rather than using the onclick event try:

'key_data' => ["http://www.domain.com/file.html\",\"win\";, 400,
400);\">?<\/a>"]


[Louis] Sure but I also want no toolbars, no menu bars, but only scrollbars.

the code in your openWindow function takes care of that - Brad is simply 
saying rather than having any onclick event, just put the javascript 
call to the openWindow funciton directly in the href attribute/property



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Re: [SLUG] Removing Toolbars etc.. from browser window

[Brad Kowalczyk]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Hi Brad:

[Louis] below.

 

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

   

Hi :

I've tried this in the perl script with no luck. Here is what I did. I
have this after reading replies I got.
$javascriptwin = "
function openWindow(u, n, w, h)
{
var win = window.open(u, n, \"toolbar=no,location=no,\"+
\"status=no,menubar=no,scrollbars=yes\"+
 \"width=\"+w+\",height=\"+h);
}
";
In the hash that has the  is pasted below:

%hashdata = (
...
'key_data' => ["http://www.domain.com/file.html\",\"win\";, 400,
400); return false;\">?<\/a>"],

);
This does not open a new window at all. I also do not even see the
contents of the file as well.
Have I missed something here?

 

rather than using the onclick event try:

'key_data' => ["
openWindow(\"http://www.domain.com/file.html\",\"win\";, 400,
400);\">?<\/a>"]
   

[Louis] Sure but I also want no toolbars, no menu bars, but only scrollbars.

So I do this :

$option = "toolbar=no,location=no,status=no,menubar=no,scrollbars=yes";

and add $option at the tail of your code snippet.

So I guess I add an extra variable in your code snippet. I will try again
with the above snippet and see what happens.
 

No, you are calling your openWindow() function which allready has those 
details in it, does it not?

cheers,
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Re: [SLUG] Removing Toolbars etc.. from browser window

[education]

Hi Brad:

[Louis] below.

> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>>Hi :
>>
>>I've tried this in the perl script with no luck. Here is what I did. I
>> have this after reading replies I got.
>>
>>$javascriptwin = "
>>function openWindow(u, n, w, h)
>>{
>>  var win = window.open(u, n, \"toolbar=no,location=no,\"+
>>  \"status=no,menubar=no,scrollbars=yes\"+
>>   \"width=\"+w+\",height=\"+h);
>>}
>>";
>>
>>In the hash that has the  is pasted below:
>>
>>%hashdata = (
>>...
>>'key_data' => [">onclick=\"openWindow(\"http://www.domain.com/file.html\",\"win\";, 400,
>> 400); return false;\">?<\/a>"],
>>
>>);
>>
>>This does not open a new window at all. I also do not even see the
>> contents of the file as well.
>>
>>Have I missed something here?
>>
>>
> rather than using the onclick event try:
>
> 'key_data' => [" openWindow(\"http://www.domain.com/file.html\",\"win\";, 400,
> 400);\">?<\/a>"]

[Louis] Sure but I also want no toolbars, no menu bars, but only scrollbars.

So I do this :

$option = "toolbar=no,location=no,status=no,menubar=no,scrollbars=yes";

and add $option at the tail of your code snippet.

So I guess I add an extra variable in your code snippet. I will try again
with the above snippet and see what happens.

Cheers


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Re: [SLUG] Paths Dilema on RH Linux Server [Typo]

[education]

Just a minor typo with attempt 2, the code is

push(@INC, $cgibin);

Thanks

> Hi Sluggers:
>
> I have been looking at an efficient way to move away from having to
> constantly have paths specified in scripts repeatedly. So here is the
> full story in great detail so that I can hopefully get an informed
> decision. This is not a problem but merely looking for an efficient way
> to do this.
>
> When I write scripts (Perl) I normally specify the full paths to the
> base root directory (base html dir) and the path to cgi-bin specified.
> With these two paths I can access other scripts interfaces after pushing
> the path in @INC and use 'require', and also process text files etc 
>
> Now I was normally specifying these two paths in all scripts at the top
> in the past. But recently have been thinking about moving away from
> this. So here are two things I did but is not quite to what I want to
> achieve but close.
>
> Attempt 1.
> ===
> I basically have a text file where I have these two full paths
> specified. The file is located in the same directory as all the scripts.
> If there are scripts in another directory, then in that directory I have
> a sim link to the file that holds the actual path data. Now in all
> scripts, I just do this before anything else to set the paths:
>
> my @paths;
>
> open (FILE, "path.dat") || die "error blah blah ...";
> while() {
> chomp;
> push @paths, $_;
> }
> close (FILE);
>
> As I know the order of the paths in the file, I have these two below as
> globals:
>
> my $homedir = $paths[0];
> my $cgibin = $paths[1];
>
> This work greats with browser called scripts, but I hit a problem with
> scripts that runs via cron. The problem with cron scripts is that it
> cannot open the "path.dat" file despite that it's in the same directory
> as the cron script itself. I think where cron executes (don't know
> where) it's not in reference with the same directory where the script
> and file is located, so cannot see it.
>
> So I moved away from this solution and went to attempt 2.
>
> Attempt 2.
> ===
> I create a 'path.pl' script where I specify $homedir, $cgibin, and other
> other common used stuff by all scripts via a routine called
> "set_paths()". Then with "Exporter::Lite", I export these two variables
> and the others.
>
> In other scripts the problem is that I have to tell it from this
> 'path.pl' script is. So I am forced to have one path specified. i.e I
> have to define
>
> $cgibin = "/path_to_where_path.pl_is_located";
>
> Then I do this
>
> push($cgibin, @INC);
> require 'path.pl';
>
> &set_paths();
>
> This now has all common stuff accessible. But I still have to specify
> one hardcoded path in all scripts which is no way as good as attempt
> one. With attempt 2 cron scripts also works fine.
>
> I have been looking at a way to have @INC permanently have the path to
> where this 'path.pl' is located so that all I need to do is just call
> "&set_paths()". I read about this from this url
>
> http://perl.apache.org/docs/1.0/guide/porting.html#_INC_and_mod_perl
>
> However I'm not sure what configuration file they are talking about and
> also what is this startup.pl script located. It also appears that only
> the server administrator can do this. Is this right ?
>
> So for now I am with attempt 2 as I can run cron and browser called
> scripts.
>
> If anyone have some thoughts or a better solution on this please share
> them with me.
>
> Cheers.
>
>
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Re: [SLUG] Email hacking

[Peter Hardy]

On Tue, 2003-11-04 at 10:22, Jan Schmidt wrote:
> The key points that people are missing here:

* And nobody seems to be generating Mailman reports yet. :-(

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Re: [SLUG] Removing Toolbars etc.. from browser window

[Brad Kowalczyk]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Hi :

I've tried this in the perl script with no luck. Here is what I did. I
have this after reading replies I got.
$javascriptwin = "
function openWindow(u, n, w, h)
{
 var win = window.open(u, n, \"toolbar=no,location=no,\"+
 \"status=no,menubar=no,scrollbars=yes\"+
  \"width=\"+w+\",height=\"+h);
}
";
In the hash that has the  is pasted below:

%hashdata = (
...
'key_data' => ["http://www.domain.com/file.html\",\"win\";, 400,
400); return false;\">?<\/a>"],

);
This does not open a new window at all. I also do not even see the
contents of the file as well.
Have I missed something here?
 

rather than using the onclick event try:

'key_data' => ["http://www.domain.com/file.html\",\"win\";, 400,
400);\">?<\/a>"]
cheers,
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Re: [SLUG] Real lamo question about scripts

[Peter Hardy]

On Tue, 2003-11-04 at 10:28, Jan Schmidt wrote:
> 
> 
> > your questioin was nowhere near as dumb as mine,
> > talking about dumb questions, what do I use to replace 'IF EXIST" in a BAT
> > file's:
> > 
> > IF EXIST something DEL something
> 
> in sh: 
> 
> if [ -x "$FILE" ]; then
>   rm $FILE
> fi

The if bit is easy enough - or check the syntax of how to use if with
"help if".  In case you're wondering, the help command is built in (to
bash, at least) and gives help on shell commands that there aren't any
manpages for.

The "-x" means "if $FILE exists and is executable".  I always get stuck
and forget what those conditionals mean.  The bash manpage has a
complete list of them - man bash and search for "CONDITIONAL
EXPRESSIONS".

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Re: [SLUG] Real lamo question about scripts

[Jan Schmidt]

> 
> 
> > your questioin was nowhere near as dumb as mine,
> > talking about dumb questions, what do I use to replace 'IF EXIST" in a BAT
> > file's:
> > 
> > IF EXIST something DEL something
> 
> in sh: 
> 
> if [ -x "$FILE" ]; then
>   rm $FILE
> fi
> 

if [ -e "$FILE" ]; then even... -x is "file exists and is executable"

see 'man test' for the full set of tests available inside '[]' brackets.

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Re: [SLUG] Real lamo question about scripts

[Jan Schmidt]

> your questioin was nowhere near as dumb as mine,
> talking about dumb questions, what do I use to replace 'IF EXIST" in a BAT
> file's:
> 
> IF EXIST something DEL something

in sh: 

if [ -x "$FILE" ]; then
  rm $FILE
fi

Cheers,
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Re: [SLUG] Real lamo question about scripts

[lists]

your questioin was nowhere near as dumb as mine,
talking about dumb questions, what do I use to replace 'IF EXIST" in a BAT
file's:

IF EXIST something DEL something

?
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Re: [SLUG] Email hacking

[Jan Schmidt]

> If the s3kr1t keyword is '[SLUG]' and it has to appear in the subject,
> then I think we'd block at least 95% of spam. (to start with)
> 
> plus you don't need to worry about replying, because your mailer
> will include '[SLUG]' in the header automatically.
> 

The key points that people are missing here:
* We work quite hard behind the scenes to limit the amount of spam that gets 
to the SLUG lists - and we're already above 99% catch rate. Pete's proposal
is an attempt to raise this even further, not to add spam filtering where
there is none.
* We just voted on the list policy and it was decided by a large margin to 
leave it exactly as it is so as not to 'raise the barrier to entry' to new
participants.

Thank you,
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Re: [SLUG] cron entry troubleshooting: missing libpath ?

[Oscar Plameras]

From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>


> > Check that the contents of file,
> >
> > /etc/ld.so.conf,
> >
> > includes
> >
> > /usr/local/lib
> >
> > If not add that line and do a,
> >
> > #ldconfig
> /etc/cron.daily/tide_daily:
>
> Oscar,
>
> (a day later)
>
> tide: error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++.so.5: cannot open
> shared
> object file: No such file or directory
>
> I guess I need to do likewise with this one, locate where he lives and add
> his address ?
>

Yes.

Do an,

#ldd tide

This will tell what and where these modules are. Then update
accordingly.


Oscar Plameras
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Re: [SLUG] Email hacking

[Anthony Wood]

On Tue, Nov 04, 2003 at 08:45:05AM +1100, Benno wrote:
> On Tue Nov 04, 2003 at 08:36:09 +1100, Peter Vogel wrote:
> >With my limited knowledge of such things, it seems like a lot of spam
> >could be prevented by blocking all mail that does not contain a simple keyword.
> >This keyword could be included in the footer of all mail going to the
> >list as a reminder. It could even change from time to time.
> >
> >Have I overlooked something?
> 
> Ease of use. I'm sure my usual posting to slug will involve:
> 
> send e-mail
> get bounce
> *swear about stupid magic keyword*
> look for an old email about the current magic keyword
> append to e-mail
> resend e-mail.
> 
> Actually on second thoughts it will probably be more like:
> 
> send e-mail
> get bounce
> *swear about stupid magic keyword*
> give up trying to reply to someones question

If the s3kr1t keyword is '[SLUG]' and it has to appear in the subject,
then I think we'd block at least 95% of spam. (to start with)

plus you don't need to worry about replying, because your mailer
will include '[SLUG]' in the header automatically.

cheers,
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Re: [SLUG] cron entry troubleshooting: missing libpath ?

[lists]

> Check that the contents of file,
>
> /etc/ld.so.conf,
>
> includes
>
> /usr/local/lib
>
> If not add that line and do a,
>
> #ldconfig
/etc/cron.daily/tide_daily:

Oscar,

(a day later)

tide: error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++.so.5: cannot open
shared
object file: No such file or directory

I guess I need to do likewise with this one, locate where he lives and add
his address ?

Voytek
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RE: [SLUG] Martians

[Visser, Martin (Sydney)]

Ethernet II defines this as:-

|--dest--|src--|-typ-|
00:00:e2:14:a6:b6:00:90:1a:40:6c:d9:08:00

Type 0x0800 is IP



 

Martin Visser ,CISSP
Network and Security Consultant 
Technology & Infrastructure - Consulting & Integration
HP Services

3 Richardson Place 
North Ryde, Sydney NSW 2113, Australia 
Phone *: +61-2-9022-1670Mobile *: +61-411-254-513
   Fax 7: +61-2-9022-1800 E-mail * : martin.visserAThp.com



-Original Message-
From: Jamie Wilkinson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, 4 November 2003 1:10 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [SLUG] Martians


This one time, at band camp, John Clarke wrote:
>  dropbear kernel: martian source 150.101.124.189 from 127.0.0.1, on 
> dev eth1  dropbear kernel: ll header: 
> 00:00:e2:14:a6:b6:00:90:1a:40:6c:d9:08:00

*stab* ll might be Link Level, and the string of hex digits are a pair
of mac addresses with some extra data appended.

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[SLUG] Paths Dilema on RH Linux Server

[education]

Hi Sluggers:

I have been looking at an efficient way to move away from having to
constantly have paths specified in scripts repeatedly. So here is the full
story in great detail so that I can hopefully get an informed decision.
This is not a problem but merely looking for an efficient way to do this.

When I write scripts (Perl) I normally specify the full paths to the base
root directory (base html dir) and the path to cgi-bin specified. With
these two paths I can access other scripts interfaces after pushing the
path in @INC and use 'require', and also process text files etc 

Now I was normally specifying these two paths in all scripts at the top in
the past. But recently have been thinking about moving away from this. So
here are two things I did but is not quite to what I want to achieve but
close.

Attempt 1.
===
I basically have a text file where I have these two full paths specified.
The file is located in the same directory as all the scripts. If there are
scripts in another directory, then in that directory I have a sim link to
the file that holds the actual path data. Now in all scripts, I just do
this before anything else to set the paths:

my @paths;

open (FILE, "path.dat") || die "error blah blah ...";
while() {
chomp;
push @paths, $_;
}
close (FILE);

As I know the order of the paths in the file, I have these two below as
globals:

my $homedir = $paths[0];
my $cgibin = $paths[1];

This work greats with browser called scripts, but I hit a problem with
scripts that runs via cron. The problem with cron scripts is that it
cannot open the "path.dat" file despite that it's in the same directory as
the cron script itself. I think where cron executes (don't know where)
it's not in reference with the same directory where the script and file is
located, so cannot see it.

So I moved away from this solution and went to attempt 2.

Attempt 2.
===
I create a 'path.pl' script where I specify $homedir, $cgibin, and other
other common used stuff by all scripts via a routine called "set_paths()".
Then with "Exporter::Lite", I export these two variables and the others.

In other scripts the problem is that I have to tell it from this 'path.pl'
script is. So I am forced to have one path specified. i.e I have to define

$cgibin = "/path_to_where_path.pl_is_located";

Then I do this

push($cgibin, @INC);
require 'path.pl';

&set_paths();

This now has all common stuff accessible. But I still have to specify one
hardcoded path in all scripts which is no way as good as attempt one. With
attempt 2 cron scripts also works fine.

I have been looking at a way to have @INC permanently have the path to
where this 'path.pl' is located so that all I need to do is just call
"&set_paths()". I read about this from this url

http://perl.apache.org/docs/1.0/guide/porting.html#_INC_and_mod_perl

However I'm not sure what configuration file they are talking about and
also what is this startup.pl script located. It also appears that only the
server administrator can do this. Is this right ?

So for now I am with attempt 2 as I can run cron and browser called scripts.

If anyone have some thoughts or a better solution on this please share
them with me.

Cheers.


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Re: [SLUG] Email hacking

[Benno]

On Tue Nov 04, 2003 at 08:36:09 +1100, Peter Vogel wrote:
>With my limited knowledge of such things, it seems like a lot of spam
>could be prevented by blocking all mail that does not contain a simple keyword.
>This keyword could be included in the footer of all mail going to the
>list as a reminder. It could even change from time to time.
>
>Have I overlooked something?

Ease of use. I'm sure my usual posting to slug will involve:

send e-mail
get bounce
*swear about stupid magic keyword*
look for an old email about the current magic keyword
append to e-mail
resend e-mail.

Actually on second thoughts it will probably be more like:

send e-mail
get bounce
*swear about stupid magic keyword*
give up trying to reply to someones question


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Re: [SLUG] Email hacking

[Peter Vogel]

With my limited knowledge of such things, it seems like a lot of spam
could be prevented by blocking all mail that does not contain a simple keyword.
This keyword could be included in the footer of all mail going to the
list as a reminder. It could even change from time to time.

Have I overlooked something?

Peter
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Re: [SLUG] Real lamo question about scripts

[Kevin Saenz]

Thanks to all who have helped I will mod my script shortly.

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Re: [SLUG] Postfix and regexp

[Kevin Saenz]

As I said it blocks about 95% of spam that comes to my boxen
not it blocks 95% of all emails that comes to my boxen.
Also I should clarify myself a little better my header_checks
blocks the recent spate of spam emails that I have been receiving.

if my header_check file doesn't work for you, you could always try

http://www.securitysage.com/files/header_checks

it is more comprehensive than mine.


> > let us know how you go with this config. Will be happy for more input.
> 
> Kevin,
> 
> before:
> last 4/current mail logs:
>   10568   received
>1386   delivered
>9805   rejected (87%)
> 
>3439   received
>1733   delivered
>2555   rejected (59%)
> 
>3715   received
>1783   delivered
>2451   rejected (57%)
> 
>8924   received
>1870   delivered
>8025   rejected (81%)
> 
>2126   received
> 440   delivered
>1846   rejected (80%)
> 
> after:
> 
> (TBC)
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Re: [SLUG] Real lamo question about scripts

[James Gray]

Kevin Saenz wrote:
Hi all,

I have a bash script where I create a tar.gz file I would 
grab current date and add it to the file name. Could anyone
please advise where I could look so I can develop my script
further?
As others have pointed out "date" is the command you're looking for, 
"man date" for details.

I noticed a lot of people suggesting GNU tar command switches 
(specifically -z to compress on the fly).  Be careful if you plan on 
using your script anywhere that DOESNT have the GNU tar version of tar.

To get around this (on Solaris specifically) I use the following syntax 
to create compressed tar files:

tar -cvf - list_of_files | gzip - > myfile-$(date +'%format').tar.gz

Some Solaris systems don't have gzip (pre Solaris 8 IIRC) so you'd need 
to install it manually or use "compress" instead of "gzip".

I know this is a "Linux" mailing list, but I thought I'd throw this in 
anyway :)

Have Fun,

James

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Re: [SLUG] Jabber

[James Gray]

Bruce Badger wrote:
Does anyone have hands on experience in deploying a Jabber server in a
business context?  I'm looking for some help doing this (for $).  Please
drop me a line if you can help.
Thanks.
Bruce
Yep deployed a debian (Woody) based Jabber server and it's great. 
Debian has the following jabber version in it's apt sources:
$ apt-cache show jabber
Package: jabber
Priority: optional
Section: non-US
Installed-Size: 704
Maintainer: Bernd Eckenfels <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Architecture: i386
Version: 1.4.2a-1.1
Replaces: jabber-transport
Provides: jabber-transport
Depends: libc6 (>= 2.2.4-4), libssl0.9.6

I think 1.4.2 is the latest version (??).  I also compiled the ICQ and 
Yahoo transports.  However since Yahoo changed their protocol recently I 
haven't found a new Yahoo transport to handle this.

Consequently we have pure jabber and ICQ only.  As for clients, we use 
"Psi" as it's multi-platform and has a consistent look and feel across 
platforms courtesy of the Qt runtime library.  It blends in well with XP 
and KDE desktops complete with system-tray/kicker applets respectively :)

Let me know if need any details.

cheers,

James

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Re: [SLUG] Email hacking

[Jamie Wilkinson]

This one time, at band camp, David Kempe wrote:
>- Original Message - 
>From: "Peter Hardy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> I'll also be looking in to generating useful statistics from the mailman
>> logs, so we can have a much firmer idea of how effective the current
>> strategies are.  Is there any packages around that already do this?  Any
>> advice or suggestions more than welcome.
>
>I had an idea once that to train these type of packages easily you could put
>a hyperlink at the bottom so you could train with a click. Much easier on
>admins etc.
>Of course it wouldn't make sense for the whole slug list to train.
>If you could have a link to a script with specified the message ID which
>went to a page where you could chose spam or nospam. Don't know how hard
>that all is, but it seemed to me to be a simpler way to train a filter than
>the current resending.

The idea Pete came up with involved forwarding the message in question back
to a spam-trainer address as an attachment, so that the message can be fed
into the spam database of the bayesian filter, and using GPG to ensure that
trusted parties do the feeding.  I imagine a single script that'd take a
message and do the right thing with it, so any list admin could bind a mutt
key to do the job, or collect a mailbox in Evolution and feed that in bulk
periodically, or similar.

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Re: [SLUG] Jabber

[Jamie Wilkinson]

This one time, at band camp, Bruce Badger wrote:
>Does anyone have hands on experience in deploying a Jabber server in a
>business context?  I'm looking for some help doing this (for $).  Please
>drop me a line if you can help.

I've done it, I grabbed the latest jabber server source from jabber.org, and
an RPM spec file from somewhere and updated it to build on Red Hat 8.0.  The
machine has since been upgraded to Red Hat 9 and jabberd is still running
fine.

The config file is XML which is possibly the worst format for a
configuration file to be in and is a right pain to debug.

I can send you a src.rpm and a working configuration file if you like.

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Re: [SLUG] Martians

[Jamie Wilkinson]

This one time, at band camp, John Clarke wrote:
>  dropbear kernel: martian source 150.101.124.189 from 127.0.0.1, on dev eth1
>  dropbear kernel: ll header: 00:00:e2:14:a6:b6:00:90:1a:40:6c:d9:08:00

*stab* ll might be Link Level, and the string of hex digits are a pair of
mac addresses with some extra data appended.

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Re: [SLUG] Postfix and regexp

[lists]

> let us know how you go with this config. Will be happy for more input.

Kevin,

before:
last 4/current mail logs:
  10568   received
   1386   delivered
   9805   rejected (87%)

   3439   received
   1733   delivered
   2555   rejected (59%)

   3715   received
   1783   delivered
   2451   rejected (57%)

   8924   received
   1870   delivered
   8025   rejected (81%)

   2126   received
440   delivered
   1846   rejected (80%)

after:

(TBC)


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Re: [SLUG] Postfix and regexp

[Kevin Saenz]

I am not blaming Slug. My file is there for people who have postfix and
haven't configured UCE to minimise spam.

> and, I was getting a warm and fuzzy feelings getting 90% rejects...
> I thought I was doing good till I saw yor mssg
> but, 95% !!, wow, that even better !
> 
My file is continually being updated to reject subject titles.
I guess the part I will come acropper is when spammers start changing
their subject titles. I do have reject invalid host/sender and the other
stuff. 
where I was getting minimum of 390+ spam emails in my bullshit folder
today I have none :) I think part of it has to do with the header_check
settings I have. :) If you like, when I get my next postfix report I
will post it.
as far as I can see since I began using header_checks there are a lot of
emails being rejected because of their subject matter.

> BUT, now I'm really envious, pls email your configs, thanks !
It will be in your next email.

> say, I'm DISCARDing all windoze executables, except .doc and .xls, now,
> that should stop majority of windoze malware, no ? Except for HTML emails
> hidden malware ? and, word/excel macros malware ? is that a reasonable
> assumption ?
> 
I hope you're kidding. :)

> thanks
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Re: [SLUG] Cron Not Running Scripts

[Ken Foskey]

On Mon, 2003-11-03 at 15:51, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> >> When I remove the "> /dev/null 2>&1" cron finally executes what I want
> >> the script to do.
> >
> > What output did it give you?  Normally this will not affect the outcome
> > like this.
> 
> [Louis] The script is suppose to update some files and also sends some
> output to the display. I know that "> /dev/null >> 2>&1" will not display
> anything to the screen. But after looking into it it also revealed that
> the files that should be updated were not.
> 
> Removing it shows the display I have in the script and also updates the
> files I wanted updated.
> 
> So does this mean there is something in the script that's doing this ?

Sorry but have not got a clue because I have no output or script to look
at.

If you can at least give us one out of the two then you might get some
suggestions, otherwise you will get blank looks.

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Re: [SLUG] Postfix and regexp

[lists]

> the request in the wrong area. Now with the ability to stop certain
> subject titles entering my system I have stopped about 95% of spam
> accessing my server before it ever gets the chance to reach
> spamassassin.

Kevin,

since enabling Postfix with anti UCE configs, purely generic mods, like,
black hole, invalid host/sender, no executables check (but no subject
checking (as yet...))
I'm bewteen 50% on a bad day, and, on a good day, up to 90% rejecting,

date  received  delivered   deferredbounced rejected

Nov  2 2003   885115  0  0815
Nov  3 2003  1206312  3  0   1014

and, I was getting a warm and fuzzy feelings getting 90% rejects...
I thought I was doing good till I saw yor mssg
but, 95% !!, wow, that even better !

BUT, now I'm really envious, pls email your configs, thanks !

say, I'm DISCARDing all windoze executables, except .doc and .xls, now,
that should stop majority of windoze malware, no ? Except for HTML emails
hidden malware ? and, word/excel macros malware ? is that a reasonable
assumption ?

thanks
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[SLUG] Jabber

[Bruce Badger]

Does anyone have hands on experience in deploying a Jabber server in a
business context?  I'm looking for some help doing this (for $).  Please
drop me a line if you can help.

Thanks.
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[SLUG] Postfix and regexp

[Kevin Saenz]

Hi all,

I figured out my problem with postfix and regexp I was placing
the request in the wrong area. Now with the ability to stop certain
subject titles entering my system I have stopped about 95% of spam
accessing my server before it ever gets the chance to reach
spamassassin.
If anyone wants a copy of my header_check just email me off list to
get a copy.

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Re: [SLUG] Removing Toolbars etc.. from browser window

[education]

Hi :

I've tried this in the perl script with no luck. Here is what I did. I
have this after reading replies I got.

$javascriptwin = "
function openWindow(u, n, w, h)
{
  var win = window.open(u, n, \"toolbar=no,location=no,\"+
  \"status=no,menubar=no,scrollbars=yes\"+
   \"width=\"+w+\",height=\"+h);
}
";

In the hash that has the  is pasted below:

%hashdata = (
...
'key_data' => ["http://www.domain.com/file.html\",\"win\";, 400,
400); return false;\">?<\/a>"],

);

This does not open a new window at all. I also do not even see the
contents of the file as well.

Have I missed something here?

Cheers.

> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> Hi Sluggers:
>>
>> Objective:
>> When someone clicks on a link, I want a new browser window to open
>> with no toolbars, menubar. I want scrollbars. I know Javascript has
>> window.open() to achieve what I want. However the new window opens up
>> from a  tag from a script. I tried window.open() in the  tag but
>> it did not work. I have also tried this in the ".html" file I want to
>> open up in the new resized browser window with no menu and toolbars.
>>
>
> Javascript:
> window.open(,,)
>
>  amongst other things could be:
> "menubar=no,personalbar=no,resizable=yes,scrollbars=yes,width=300,height=300,left="
>  + l + ",top=" + t);
>
> where l and t are the calculated left and top coordinates to put a
> 300x300 window in the middle of the screen.
>
>
> To call a javascript function from an  tag, you MUST return false so
> that the link is not activated, eg:
>
> Something here
>
> Also, with window operations, particularly sizing, be careful what
> object parameters you use - Internet Explorer uses some non-standard
> ones.
>
>> I have this sample Javascript in the  tag
>>
>> 
>> function resizeWindow(width,height){
>> if (document.layers) {
>> // resizeTo sets inner size, so use this instead
>> window.outerWidth = width;
>> window.outerHeight = height;
>> } else window.resizeTo(width,height);
>> }
>> 
>>
>> Now in my  tag I have added this
>>
>> 
>>
>> This of course just resizes the window. But it still leaves the
>> toolbars and menu bars. Any ideas on how I can extend the above script
>> with a window.open() or something similar would be greatly
>> appreciated.
>>
>> Cheers.
>>
>>
>
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Re: [SLUG] PDF to Latex or similar

[Michael Lake]

Alan L Tyree wrote:
I've done a brief Google w/o success. Is there some reasonable way to
convert PDF to Latex or to any readable markup?
In DEbian there is a package called xpdf-utils. That contains pdftotext:

NAME: pdftotext - Portable Document Format (PDF) to text converter
SYNOPSIS: pdftotext [options] [PDF-file [text-file]]
DESCRIPTION: Pdftotext converts Portable Document Format (PDF) files to 
plain text. Pdftotext  reads  the PDF file, PDF-file, and writes a text 
file, text-file.

There is an option:
-htmlmeta: Generate a simple HTML file, including the  meta 
information. This simply wraps the text in  and  and prepends 
the meta headers.

pdftotext will give you the text but not the markup. :-(

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Re: [SLUG] Martians

[John Clarke]

On Mon, Nov 03, 2003 at 11:15:24 +0100, Ben Buxton wrote:
> John Clarke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> uttered the following thing:

> >   dropbear kernel: martian source 150.101.124.189 from 127.0.0.1, on dev eth1
> >   dropbear kernel: ll header: 00:00:e2:14:a6:b6:00:90:1a:40:6c:d9:08:00

> What are the MAC addresses of your DSL modem and your linux
> box?

linux box:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$ /sbin/ifconfig eth1|grep HWaddr
eth1  Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:00:E2:14:A6:B6  

dsl modem:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$ /sbin/arp -n -i eth1
Address  HWtype  HWaddress   Flags MaskIface
150.101.124.190  ether   00:90:1A:40:6C:D9   C eth1

both of these addresses appear in the 'll header' message in the log. 
a bit of digging (which i should have done first but i was too tired to
think straight - too many nights of four hours or less sleep) tells me
that the 'll header' is the ethernet frame header, which is:

struct ethhdr 
{
unsigned char   h_dest[ETH_ALEN];   /* destination eth addr */
unsigned char   h_source[ETH_ALEN]; /* source ether addr*/
unsigned short  h_proto;/* packet type ID field */
} __attribute__((packed));

what confused me is the first message says 'martian source
150.101.124.189', so i was thinking it was linux that was to blame, but
that's actually the destination address.

> It seems that whichever has the MAC address given in the kernel
> message is sending a packet with a 127.0.0.1 source address and
> that is a no-no.

i knew that, what i didn't know was where it came from.  now i know
it's the dsl modem, so i suppose all i can do is ignore it.


thanks ben.


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Re: [SLUG] Martians

[Ben Buxton]

John Clarke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> uttered the following thing:
> Hi all,
> 
> Since upgrading from dialup to adsl last week, I've been seeing this:
> 
>   dropbear kernel: martian source 150.101.124.189 from 127.0.0.1, on dev eth1
>   dropbear kernel: ll header: 00:00:e2:14:a6:b6:00:90:1a:40:6c:d9:08:00
> 
> in /var/log/messages occasionally.  150.101.124.189 is my gateway's
> address, eth1 is the network, and the dsl modem (dlink dsl-300+) is
> 150.101.124.190.
> 
> Does anyone have any idea what might be causing these packets?

What are the MAC addresses of your DSL modem and your linux
box?

It seems that whichever has the MAC address given in the kernel
message is sending a packet with a 127.0.0.1 source address and
that is a no-no.

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