Re: [SLUG] Martians
John Clarke [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered the following thing: Hi all, Since upgrading from dialup to adsl last week, I've been seeing this: dropbear kernel: martian source 150.101.124.189 from 127.0.0.1, on dev eth1 dropbear kernel: ll header: 00:00:e2:14:a6:b6:00:90:1a:40:6c:d9:08:00 in /var/log/messages occasionally. 150.101.124.189 is my gateway's address, eth1 is the network, and the dsl modem (dlink dsl-300+) is 150.101.124.190. Does anyone have any idea what might be causing these packets? What are the MAC addresses of your DSL modem and your linux box? It seems that whichever has the MAC address given in the kernel message is sending a packet with a 127.0.0.1 source address and that is a no-no. BB -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Martians
On Mon, Nov 03, 2003 at 11:15:24 +0100, Ben Buxton wrote:
John Clarke [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered the following thing:
dropbear kernel: martian source 150.101.124.189 from 127.0.0.1, on dev eth1
dropbear kernel: ll header: 00:00:e2:14:a6:b6:00:90:1a:40:6c:d9:08:00
What are the MAC addresses of your DSL modem and your linux
box?
linux box:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$ /sbin/ifconfig eth1|grep HWaddr
eth1 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:00:E2:14:A6:B6
dsl modem:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$ /sbin/arp -n -i eth1
Address HWtype HWaddress Flags MaskIface
150.101.124.190 ether 00:90:1A:40:6C:D9 C eth1
both of these addresses appear in the 'll header' message in the log.
a bit of digging (which i should have done first but i was too tired to
think straight - too many nights of four hours or less sleep) tells me
that the 'll header' is the ethernet frame header, which is:
struct ethhdr
{
unsigned char h_dest[ETH_ALEN]; /* destination eth addr */
unsigned char h_source[ETH_ALEN]; /* source ether addr*/
unsigned short h_proto;/* packet type ID field */
} __attribute__((packed));
what confused me is the first message says 'martian source
150.101.124.189', so i was thinking it was linux that was to blame, but
that's actually the destination address.
It seems that whichever has the MAC address given in the kernel
message is sending a packet with a 127.0.0.1 source address and
that is a no-no.
i knew that, what i didn't know was where it came from. now i know
it's the dsl modem, so i suppose all i can do is ignore it.
thanks ben.
cheers,
john
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Re: [SLUG] PDF to Latex or similar
Alan L Tyree wrote: I've done a brief Google w/o success. Is there some reasonable way to convert PDF to Latex or to any readable markup? In DEbian there is a package called xpdf-utils. That contains pdftotext: NAME: pdftotext - Portable Document Format (PDF) to text converter SYNOPSIS: pdftotext [options] [PDF-file [text-file]] DESCRIPTION: Pdftotext converts Portable Document Format (PDF) files to plain text. Pdftotext reads the PDF file, PDF-file, and writes a text file, text-file. There is an option: -htmlmeta: Generate a simple HTML file, including the meta information. This simply wraps the text in pre and /pre and prepends the meta headers. pdftotext will give you the text but not the markup. :-( -- Mike Lake Caver, Linux enthusiast and interested in anything technical. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Removing Toolbars etc.. from browser window
Hi :
I've tried this in the perl script with no luck. Here is what I did. I
have this after reading replies I got.
$javascriptwin = script language=\JavaScript\
function openWindow(u, n, w, h)
{
var win = window.open(u, n, \toolbar=no,location=no,\+
\status=no,menubar=no,scrollbars=yes\+
\width=\+w+\,height=\+h);
}
/script;
In the hash that has the a is pasted below:
%hashdata = (
...
'key_data' = [a href=\\
onclick=\openWindow(\http://www.domain.com/file.html\,\win\;, 400,
400); return false;\?\/a],
);
This does not open a new window at all. I also do not even see the
contents of the file as well.
Have I missed something here?
Cheers.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi Sluggers:
Objective:
When someone clicks on a link, I want a new browser window to open
with no toolbars, menubar. I want scrollbars. I know Javascript has
window.open() to achieve what I want. However the new window opens up
from a a tag from a script. I tried window.open() in the a tag but
it did not work. I have also tried this in the .html file I want to
open up in the new resized browser window with no menu and toolbars.
Javascript:
window.open(url,title,options)
options amongst other things could be:
menubar=no,personalbar=no,resizable=yes,scrollbars=yes,width=300,height=300,left=
+ l + ,top= + t);
where l and t are the calculated left and top coordinates to put a
300x300 window in the middle of the screen.
To call a javascript function from an a tag, you MUST return false so
that the link is not activated, eg:
a href= onclick=openWindow(); return false;Something here/a
Also, with window operations, particularly sizing, be careful what
object parameters you use - Internet Explorer uses some non-standard
ones.
I have this sample Javascript in the head tag
script
function resizeWindow(width,height){
if (document.layers) {
// resizeTo sets inner size, so use this instead
window.outerWidth = width;
window.outerHeight = height;
} else window.resizeTo(width,height);
}
/script
Now in my body tag I have added this
body onload=resizeWindow(300,300);
This of course just resizes the window. But it still leaves the
toolbars and menu bars. Any ideas on how I can extend the above script
with a window.open() or something similar would be greatly
appreciated.
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[SLUG] Postfix and regexp
Hi all, I figured out my problem with postfix and regexp I was placing the request in the wrong area. Now with the ability to stop certain subject titles entering my system I have stopped about 95% of spam accessing my server before it ever gets the chance to reach spamassassin. If anyone wants a copy of my header_check just email me off list to get a copy. -- Regards, Kevin Saenz Spinaweb I.T consultants Ph: 02 4620 5130 Fax: 02 4625 9243 Mobile: 0418455661 Web: http://www.spinaweb.com.au -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] Jabber
Does anyone have hands on experience in deploying a Jabber server in a business context? I'm looking for some help doing this (for $). Please drop me a line if you can help. Thanks. Bruce -- Make the most of your skills - with OpenSkills http://www.openskills.com signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Postfix and regexp
the request in the wrong area. Now with the ability to stop certain subject titles entering my system I have stopped about 95% of spam accessing my server before it ever gets the chance to reach spamassassin. Kevin, since enabling Postfix with anti UCE configs, purely generic mods, like, black hole, invalid host/sender, no executables check (but no subject checking (as yet...)) I'm bewteen 50% on a bad day, and, on a good day, up to 90% rejecting, date received delivered deferredbounced rejected Nov 2 2003 885115 0 0815 Nov 3 2003 1206312 3 0 1014 and, I was getting a warm and fuzzy feelings getting 90% rejects... I thought I was doing good till I saw yor mssg but, 95% !!, wow, that even better ! BUT, now I'm really envious, pls email your configs, thanks ! say, I'm DISCARDing all windoze executables, except .doc and .xls, now, that should stop majority of windoze malware, no ? Except for HTML emails hidden malware ? and, word/excel macros malware ? is that a reasonable assumption ? thanks -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Cron Not Running Scripts
On Mon, 2003-11-03 at 15:51, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When I remove the /dev/null 21 cron finally executes what I want the script to do. What output did it give you? Normally this will not affect the outcome like this. [Louis] The script is suppose to update some files and also sends some output to the display. I know that /dev/null 21 will not display anything to the screen. But after looking into it it also revealed that the files that should be updated were not. Removing it shows the display I have in the script and also updates the files I wanted updated. So does this mean there is something in the script that's doing this ? Sorry but have not got a clue because I have no output or script to look at. If you can at least give us one out of the two then you might get some suggestions, otherwise you will get blank looks. -- Thanks KenF OpenOffice.org developer -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Postfix and regexp
I am not blaming Slug. My file is there for people who have postfix and haven't configured UCE to minimise spam. and, I was getting a warm and fuzzy feelings getting 90% rejects... I thought I was doing good till I saw yor mssg but, 95% !!, wow, that even better ! My file is continually being updated to reject subject titles. I guess the part I will come acropper is when spammers start changing their subject titles. I do have reject invalid host/sender and the other stuff. where I was getting minimum of 390+ spam emails in my bullshit folder today I have none :) I think part of it has to do with the header_check settings I have. :) If you like, when I get my next postfix report I will post it. as far as I can see since I began using header_checks there are a lot of emails being rejected because of their subject matter. BUT, now I'm really envious, pls email your configs, thanks ! It will be in your next email. say, I'm DISCARDing all windoze executables, except .doc and .xls, now, that should stop majority of windoze malware, no ? Except for HTML emails hidden malware ? and, word/excel macros malware ? is that a reasonable assumption ? I hope you're kidding. :) thanks -- Regards, Kevin Saenz Spinaweb I.T consultants Ph: 02 4620 5130 Fax: 02 4625 9243 Mobile: 0418455661 Web: http://www.spinaweb.com.au -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Postfix and regexp
let us know how you go with this config. Will be happy for more input. Kevin, before: last 4/current mail logs: 10568 received 1386 delivered 9805 rejected (87%) 3439 received 1733 delivered 2555 rejected (59%) 3715 received 1783 delivered 2451 rejected (57%) 8924 received 1870 delivered 8025 rejected (81%) 2126 received 440 delivered 1846 rejected (80%) after: (TBC) -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Martians
This one time, at band camp, John Clarke wrote: dropbear kernel: martian source 150.101.124.189 from 127.0.0.1, on dev eth1 dropbear kernel: ll header: 00:00:e2:14:a6:b6:00:90:1a:40:6c:d9:08:00 *stab* ll might be Link Level, and the string of hex digits are a pair of mac addresses with some extra data appended. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://spacepants.org/jaq.gpg -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Jabber
This one time, at band camp, Bruce Badger wrote: Does anyone have hands on experience in deploying a Jabber server in a business context? I'm looking for some help doing this (for $). Please drop me a line if you can help. I've done it, I grabbed the latest jabber server source from jabber.org, and an RPM spec file from somewhere and updated it to build on Red Hat 8.0. The machine has since been upgraded to Red Hat 9 and jabberd is still running fine. The config file is XML which is possibly the worst format for a configuration file to be in and is a right pain to debug. I can send you a src.rpm and a working configuration file if you like. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://spacepants.org/jaq.gpg -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Email hacking
This one time, at band camp, David Kempe wrote: - Original Message - From: Peter Hardy [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'll also be looking in to generating useful statistics from the mailman logs, so we can have a much firmer idea of how effective the current strategies are. Is there any packages around that already do this? Any advice or suggestions more than welcome. I had an idea once that to train these type of packages easily you could put a hyperlink at the bottom so you could train with a click. Much easier on admins etc. Of course it wouldn't make sense for the whole slug list to train. If you could have a link to a script with specified the message ID which went to a page where you could chose spam or nospam. Don't know how hard that all is, but it seemed to me to be a simpler way to train a filter than the current resending. The idea Pete came up with involved forwarding the message in question back to a spam-trainer address as an attachment, so that the message can be fed into the spam database of the bayesian filter, and using GPG to ensure that trusted parties do the feeding. I imagine a single script that'd take a message and do the right thing with it, so any list admin could bind a mutt key to do the job, or collect a mailbox in Evolution and feed that in bulk periodically, or similar. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://spacepants.org/jaq.gpg -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Jabber
Bruce Badger wrote: Does anyone have hands on experience in deploying a Jabber server in a business context? I'm looking for some help doing this (for $). Please drop me a line if you can help. Thanks. Bruce Yep deployed a debian (Woody) based Jabber server and it's great. Debian has the following jabber version in it's apt sources: $ apt-cache show jabber Package: jabber Priority: optional Section: non-US Installed-Size: 704 Maintainer: Bernd Eckenfels [EMAIL PROTECTED] Architecture: i386 Version: 1.4.2a-1.1 Replaces: jabber-transport Provides: jabber-transport Depends: libc6 (= 2.2.4-4), libssl0.9.6 I think 1.4.2 is the latest version (??). I also compiled the ICQ and Yahoo transports. However since Yahoo changed their protocol recently I haven't found a new Yahoo transport to handle this. Consequently we have pure jabber and ICQ only. As for clients, we use Psi as it's multi-platform and has a consistent look and feel across platforms courtesy of the Qt runtime library. It blends in well with XP and KDE desktops complete with system-tray/kicker applets respectively :) Let me know if need any details. cheers, James -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Real lamo question about scripts
Kevin Saenz wrote: Hi all, I have a bash script where I create a tar.gz file I would grab current date and add it to the file name. Could anyone please advise where I could look so I can develop my script further? As others have pointed out date is the command you're looking for, man date for details. I noticed a lot of people suggesting GNU tar command switches (specifically -z to compress on the fly). Be careful if you plan on using your script anywhere that DOESNT have the GNU tar version of tar. To get around this (on Solaris specifically) I use the following syntax to create compressed tar files: tar -cvf - list_of_files | gzip - myfile-$(date +'%format').tar.gz Some Solaris systems don't have gzip (pre Solaris 8 IIRC) so you'd need to install it manually or use compress instead of gzip. I know this is a Linux mailing list, but I thought I'd throw this in anyway :) Have Fun, James -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Postfix and regexp
As I said it blocks about 95% of spam that comes to my boxen not it blocks 95% of all emails that comes to my boxen. Also I should clarify myself a little better my header_checks blocks the recent spate of spam emails that I have been receiving. if my header_check file doesn't work for you, you could always try http://www.securitysage.com/files/header_checks it is more comprehensive than mine. let us know how you go with this config. Will be happy for more input. Kevin, before: last 4/current mail logs: 10568 received 1386 delivered 9805 rejected (87%) 3439 received 1733 delivered 2555 rejected (59%) 3715 received 1783 delivered 2451 rejected (57%) 8924 received 1870 delivered 8025 rejected (81%) 2126 received 440 delivered 1846 rejected (80%) after: (TBC) -- Regards, Kevin Saenz Spinaweb I.T consultants Ph: 02 4620 5130 Fax: 02 4625 9243 Mobile: 0418455661 Web: http://www.spinaweb.com.au -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Real lamo question about scripts
Thanks to all who have helped I will mod my script shortly. -- Regards, Kevin Saenz Spinaweb I.T consultants Ph: 02 4620 5130 Fax: 02 4625 9243 Mobile: 0418455661 Web: http://www.spinaweb.com.au -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Email hacking
With my limited knowledge of such things, it seems like a lot of spam could be prevented by blocking all mail that does not contain a simple keyword. This keyword could be included in the footer of all mail going to the list as a reminder. It could even change from time to time. Have I overlooked something? Peter -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Email hacking
On Tue Nov 04, 2003 at 08:36:09 +1100, Peter Vogel wrote: With my limited knowledge of such things, it seems like a lot of spam could be prevented by blocking all mail that does not contain a simple keyword. This keyword could be included in the footer of all mail going to the list as a reminder. It could even change from time to time. Have I overlooked something? Ease of use. I'm sure my usual posting to slug will involve: send e-mail get bounce *swear about stupid magic keyword* look for an old email about the current magic keyword append to e-mail resend e-mail. Actually on second thoughts it will probably be more like: send e-mail get bounce *swear about stupid magic keyword* give up trying to reply to someones question Benno -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] Paths Dilema on RH Linux Server
Hi Sluggers:
I have been looking at an efficient way to move away from having to
constantly have paths specified in scripts repeatedly. So here is the full
story in great detail so that I can hopefully get an informed decision.
This is not a problem but merely looking for an efficient way to do this.
When I write scripts (Perl) I normally specify the full paths to the base
root directory (base html dir) and the path to cgi-bin specified. With
these two paths I can access other scripts interfaces after pushing the
path in @INC and use 'require', and also process text files etc
Now I was normally specifying these two paths in all scripts at the top in
the past. But recently have been thinking about moving away from this. So
here are two things I did but is not quite to what I want to achieve but
close.
Attempt 1.
===
I basically have a text file where I have these two full paths specified.
The file is located in the same directory as all the scripts. If there are
scripts in another directory, then in that directory I have a sim link to
the file that holds the actual path data. Now in all scripts, I just do
this before anything else to set the paths:
my @paths;
open (FILE, path.dat) || die error blah blah ...;
while(FILE) {
chomp;
push @paths, $_;
}
close (FILE);
As I know the order of the paths in the file, I have these two below as
globals:
my $homedir = $paths[0];
my $cgibin = $paths[1];
This work greats with browser called scripts, but I hit a problem with
scripts that runs via cron. The problem with cron scripts is that it
cannot open the path.dat file despite that it's in the same directory as
the cron script itself. I think where cron executes (don't know where)
it's not in reference with the same directory where the script and file is
located, so cannot see it.
So I moved away from this solution and went to attempt 2.
Attempt 2.
===
I create a 'path.pl' script where I specify $homedir, $cgibin, and other
other common used stuff by all scripts via a routine called set_paths().
Then with Exporter::Lite, I export these two variables and the others.
In other scripts the problem is that I have to tell it from this 'path.pl'
script is. So I am forced to have one path specified. i.e I have to define
$cgibin = /path_to_where_path.pl_is_located;
Then I do this
push($cgibin, @INC);
require 'path.pl';
set_paths();
This now has all common stuff accessible. But I still have to specify one
hardcoded path in all scripts which is no way as good as attempt one. With
attempt 2 cron scripts also works fine.
I have been looking at a way to have @INC permanently have the path to
where this 'path.pl' is located so that all I need to do is just call
set_paths(). I read about this from this url
http://perl.apache.org/docs/1.0/guide/porting.html#_INC_and_mod_perl
However I'm not sure what configuration file they are talking about and
also what is this startup.pl script located. It also appears that only the
server administrator can do this. Is this right ?
So for now I am with attempt 2 as I can run cron and browser called scripts.
If anyone have some thoughts or a better solution on this please share
them with me.
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RE: [SLUG] Martians
Ethernet II defines this as:- |--dest--|src--|-typ-| 00:00:e2:14:a6:b6:00:90:1a:40:6c:d9:08:00 Type 0x0800 is IP Martin Visser ,CISSP Network and Security Consultant Technology Infrastructure - Consulting Integration HP Services 3 Richardson Place North Ryde, Sydney NSW 2113, Australia Phone *: +61-2-9022-1670Mobile *: +61-411-254-513 Fax 7: +61-2-9022-1800 E-mail * : martin.visserAThp.com -Original Message- From: Jamie Wilkinson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, 4 November 2003 1:10 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [SLUG] Martians This one time, at band camp, John Clarke wrote: dropbear kernel: martian source 150.101.124.189 from 127.0.0.1, on dev eth1 dropbear kernel: ll header: 00:00:e2:14:a6:b6:00:90:1a:40:6c:d9:08:00 *stab* ll might be Link Level, and the string of hex digits are a pair of mac addresses with some extra data appended. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://spacepants.org/jaq.gpg -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] cron entry troubleshooting: missing libpath ?
Check that the contents of file, /etc/ld.so.conf, includes /usr/local/lib If not add that line and do a, #ldconfig /etc/cron.daily/tide_daily: Oscar, (a day later) tide: error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++.so.5: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory I guess I need to do likewise with this one, locate where he lives and add his address ? Voytek -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Email hacking
On Tue, Nov 04, 2003 at 08:45:05AM +1100, Benno wrote: On Tue Nov 04, 2003 at 08:36:09 +1100, Peter Vogel wrote: With my limited knowledge of such things, it seems like a lot of spam could be prevented by blocking all mail that does not contain a simple keyword. This keyword could be included in the footer of all mail going to the list as a reminder. It could even change from time to time. Have I overlooked something? Ease of use. I'm sure my usual posting to slug will involve: send e-mail get bounce *swear about stupid magic keyword* look for an old email about the current magic keyword append to e-mail resend e-mail. Actually on second thoughts it will probably be more like: send e-mail get bounce *swear about stupid magic keyword* give up trying to reply to someones question If the s3kr1t keyword is '[SLUG]' and it has to appear in the subject, then I think we'd block at least 95% of spam. (to start with) plus you don't need to worry about replying, because your mailer will include '[SLUG]' in the header automatically. cheers, Woody -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] cron entry troubleshooting: missing libpath ?
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Check that the contents of file, /etc/ld.so.conf, includes /usr/local/lib If not add that line and do a, #ldconfig /etc/cron.daily/tide_daily: Oscar, (a day later) tide: error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++.so.5: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory I guess I need to do likewise with this one, locate where he lives and add his address ? Yes. Do an, #ldd tide This will tell what and where these modules are. Then update accordingly. Oscar Plameras http://www.acay.com.au/~oscarp/disclaimer.html -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Email hacking
quote who=Anthony Wood If the s3kr1t keyword is '[SLUG]' and it has to appear in the subject, then I think we'd block at least 95% of spam. (to start with) plus you don't need to worry about replying, because your mailer will include '[SLUG]' in the header automatically. The key points that people are missing here: * We work quite hard behind the scenes to limit the amount of spam that gets to the SLUG lists - and we're already above 99% catch rate. Pete's proposal is an attempt to raise this even further, not to add spam filtering where there is none. * We just voted on the list policy and it was decided by a large margin to leave it exactly as it is so as not to 'raise the barrier to entry' to new participants. Thank you, Jan. -- Jan Schmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Real lamo question about scripts
your questioin was nowhere near as dumb as mine, talking about dumb questions, what do I use to replace 'IF EXIST in a BAT file's: IF EXIST something DEL something ? -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Real lamo question about scripts
quote who=[EMAIL PROTECTED] your questioin was nowhere near as dumb as mine, talking about dumb questions, what do I use to replace 'IF EXIST in a BAT file's: IF EXIST something DEL something in sh: if [ -x $FILE ]; then rm $FILE fi Cheers, Jan. -- Jan Schmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED] Homer: No TV and No Beer make Homer something something Marge: Go Crazy? Homer: Don't mind if I do! rrrarrgghar! -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Real lamo question about scripts
quote who=Jan Schmidt quote who=[EMAIL PROTECTED] your questioin was nowhere near as dumb as mine, talking about dumb questions, what do I use to replace 'IF EXIST in a BAT file's: IF EXIST something DEL something in sh: if [ -x $FILE ]; then rm $FILE fi if [ -e $FILE ]; then even... -x is file exists and is executable see 'man test' for the full set of tests available inside '[]' brackets. J. -- Jan Schmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED] Homer: No TV and No Beer make Homer something something Marge: Go Crazy? Homer: Don't mind if I do! rrrarrgghar! -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Real lamo question about scripts
On Tue, 2003-11-04 at 10:28, Jan Schmidt wrote: quote who=[EMAIL PROTECTED] your questioin was nowhere near as dumb as mine, talking about dumb questions, what do I use to replace 'IF EXIST in a BAT file's: IF EXIST something DEL something in sh: if [ -x $FILE ]; then rm $FILE fi The if bit is easy enough - or check the syntax of how to use if with help if. In case you're wondering, the help command is built in (to bash, at least) and gives help on shell commands that there aren't any manpages for. The -x means if $FILE exists and is executable. I always get stuck and forget what those conditionals mean. The bash manpage has a complete list of them - man bash and search for CONDITIONAL EXPRESSIONS. -- Pete -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Removing Toolbars etc.. from browser window
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi :
I've tried this in the perl script with no luck. Here is what I did. I
have this after reading replies I got.
$javascriptwin = script language=\JavaScript\
function openWindow(u, n, w, h)
{
var win = window.open(u, n, \toolbar=no,location=no,\+
\status=no,menubar=no,scrollbars=yes\+
\width=\+w+\,height=\+h);
}
/script;
In the hash that has the a is pasted below:
%hashdata = (
...
'key_data' = [a href=\\
onclick=\openWindow(\http://www.domain.com/file.html\,\win\;, 400,
400); return false;\?\/a],
);
This does not open a new window at all. I also do not even see the
contents of the file as well.
Have I missed something here?
rather than using the onclick event try:
'key_data' = [a href=\javascript:
openWindow(\http://www.domain.com/file.html\,\win\;, 400,
400);\?\/a]
cheers,
Brad
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Re: [SLUG] Email hacking
On Tue, 2003-11-04 at 10:22, Jan Schmidt wrote: The key points that people are missing here: * And nobody seems to be generating Mailman reports yet. :-( -- Pete -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Paths Dilema on RH Linux Server [Typo]
Just a minor typo with attempt 2, the code is
push(@INC, $cgibin);
Thanks
Hi Sluggers:
I have been looking at an efficient way to move away from having to
constantly have paths specified in scripts repeatedly. So here is the
full story in great detail so that I can hopefully get an informed
decision. This is not a problem but merely looking for an efficient way
to do this.
When I write scripts (Perl) I normally specify the full paths to the
base root directory (base html dir) and the path to cgi-bin specified.
With these two paths I can access other scripts interfaces after pushing
the path in @INC and use 'require', and also process text files etc
Now I was normally specifying these two paths in all scripts at the top
in the past. But recently have been thinking about moving away from
this. So here are two things I did but is not quite to what I want to
achieve but close.
Attempt 1.
===
I basically have a text file where I have these two full paths
specified. The file is located in the same directory as all the scripts.
If there are scripts in another directory, then in that directory I have
a sim link to the file that holds the actual path data. Now in all
scripts, I just do this before anything else to set the paths:
my @paths;
open (FILE, path.dat) || die error blah blah ...;
while(FILE) {
chomp;
push @paths, $_;
}
close (FILE);
As I know the order of the paths in the file, I have these two below as
globals:
my $homedir = $paths[0];
my $cgibin = $paths[1];
This work greats with browser called scripts, but I hit a problem with
scripts that runs via cron. The problem with cron scripts is that it
cannot open the path.dat file despite that it's in the same directory
as the cron script itself. I think where cron executes (don't know
where) it's not in reference with the same directory where the script
and file is located, so cannot see it.
So I moved away from this solution and went to attempt 2.
Attempt 2.
===
I create a 'path.pl' script where I specify $homedir, $cgibin, and other
other common used stuff by all scripts via a routine called
set_paths(). Then with Exporter::Lite, I export these two variables
and the others.
In other scripts the problem is that I have to tell it from this
'path.pl' script is. So I am forced to have one path specified. i.e I
have to define
$cgibin = /path_to_where_path.pl_is_located;
Then I do this
push($cgibin, @INC);
require 'path.pl';
set_paths();
This now has all common stuff accessible. But I still have to specify
one hardcoded path in all scripts which is no way as good as attempt
one. With attempt 2 cron scripts also works fine.
I have been looking at a way to have @INC permanently have the path to
where this 'path.pl' is located so that all I need to do is just call
set_paths(). I read about this from this url
http://perl.apache.org/docs/1.0/guide/porting.html#_INC_and_mod_perl
However I'm not sure what configuration file they are talking about and
also what is this startup.pl script located. It also appears that only
the server administrator can do this. Is this right ?
So for now I am with attempt 2 as I can run cron and browser called
scripts.
If anyone have some thoughts or a better solution on this please share
them with me.
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Re: [SLUG] Removing Toolbars etc.. from browser window
Hi Brad:
[Louis] below.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi :
I've tried this in the perl script with no luck. Here is what I did. I
have this after reading replies I got.
$javascriptwin = script language=\JavaScript\
function openWindow(u, n, w, h)
{
var win = window.open(u, n, \toolbar=no,location=no,\+
\status=no,menubar=no,scrollbars=yes\+
\width=\+w+\,height=\+h);
}
/script;
In the hash that has the a is pasted below:
%hashdata = (
...
'key_data' = [a href=\\
onclick=\openWindow(\http://www.domain.com/file.html\,\win\;, 400,
400); return false;\?\/a],
);
This does not open a new window at all. I also do not even see the
contents of the file as well.
Have I missed something here?
rather than using the onclick event try:
'key_data' = [a href=\javascript:
openWindow(\http://www.domain.com/file.html\,\win\;, 400,
400);\?\/a]
[Louis] Sure but I also want no toolbars, no menu bars, but only scrollbars.
So I do this :
$option = toolbar=no,location=no,status=no,menubar=no,scrollbars=yes;
and add $option at the tail of your code snippet.
So I guess I add an extra variable in your code snippet. I will try again
with the above snippet and see what happens.
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Re: [SLUG] Removing Toolbars etc.. from browser window
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi Brad:
[Louis] below.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi :
I've tried this in the perl script with no luck. Here is what I did. I
have this after reading replies I got.
$javascriptwin = script language=\JavaScript\
function openWindow(u, n, w, h)
{
var win = window.open(u, n, \toolbar=no,location=no,\+
\status=no,menubar=no,scrollbars=yes\+
\width=\+w+\,height=\+h);
}
/script;
In the hash that has the a is pasted below:
%hashdata = (
...
'key_data' = [a href=\\
onclick=\openWindow(\http://www.domain.com/file.html\,\win\;, 400,
400); return false;\?\/a],
);
This does not open a new window at all. I also do not even see the
contents of the file as well.
Have I missed something here?
rather than using the onclick event try:
'key_data' = [a href=\javascript:
openWindow(\http://www.domain.com/file.html\,\win\;, 400,
400);\?\/a]
[Louis] Sure but I also want no toolbars, no menu bars, but only scrollbars.
So I do this :
$option = toolbar=no,location=no,status=no,menubar=no,scrollbars=yes;
and add $option at the tail of your code snippet.
So I guess I add an extra variable in your code snippet. I will try again
with the above snippet and see what happens.
No, you are calling your openWindow() function which allready has those
details in it, does it not?
cheers,
Brad
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Re: [SLUG] Removing Toolbars etc.. from browser window
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: SNIP rather than using the onclick event try: 'key_data' = [a href=\javascript: openWindow(\http://www.domain.com/file.html\,\win\;, 400, 400);\?\/a] [Louis] Sure but I also want no toolbars, no menu bars, but only scrollbars. the code in your openWindow function takes care of that - Brad is simply saying rather than having any onclick event, just put the javascript call to the openWindow funciton directly in the href attribute/property SNIP fil -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Postfix and regexp
** Reply to note from Kevin Saenz [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tue, 04 Nov 2003 00:31:14 +1100
It will be in your next email.
thanks, I'll try to implement later today
say, I'm DISCARDing all windoze executables, except .doc and .xls, now,
that should stop majority of windoze malware, no ? Except for HTML emails
hidden malware ? and, word/excel macros malware ? is that a reasonable
assumption ?
I hope you're kidding. :)
Kevin,
doesn't a windoze malware has to be some kind of executable
application, as per specs below ??
I'm DISCARDing anyhting like these:
# M$-Windoze vulnerable to all these as email-borne viruses/worms/trojans
# Added .ade, .adp, .bas, .cpl, .crt, .hlp, .inf, .ins, .isp, .lnk, .mdb,
# .mde, .msc, .msi, .msp, .mst, .pcd, .reg, .sct, .shs, .url, .vb, and .wsc
/^Content-(Disposition|Type):\s+.+?(?:file)?name=?.+?\.(386|ad[ept]|app|as[dpx]|ba[st]|bin|btm|cab|cbt|cgi|chm|cil|cla(ss)?|cmd|cp[el]|crt|cs[chs]|cvp|dll|dot|drv|em(ai)?l|ex[_e]|fon|fxp|hlp|ht[ar]|in[fips]|isp|jar|jse?|keyreg|ksh|lib|lnk|md[abetw]|mht(m|ml)?|mp3|ms[ciopt]|nte|nws|obj|ocx|ops|ov.|pcd|pgm|pif|p[lm]|pot|pps|prg|reg|sc[rt]|sh[bs]?|slb|smm|sw[ft]|sys|url|vb[esx]?|vir|vmx|vxd|wm[dsz]|ws[cfh]|xms|\{[\da-f]{8}(?:-[\da-f]{4}){3}-[\da-f]{12}\})\b/
REJECT hc1 .$2
file attachment types not allowed
apart from HTML emails and word/excel, how else can windoze malware travel
?
what am I missing ?
Voytek Eymont
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Re: [SLUG] Postfix and regexp
doesn't a windoze malware has to be some kind of executable application, as per specs below ?? Sorry I read you wrong. there are some tips in stopping windows executables from coming into your network what am I missing ? I have spamassassin and anomy killing most windows executables. Voytek Eymont -- Regards, Kevin Saenz Spinaweb I.T consultants Ph: 02 4620 5130 Fax: 02 4625 9243 Mobile: 0418455661 Web: http://www.spinaweb.com.au -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] PDF to latex or similar
Alan, sorry, just playing catch up with my mail. I've never used (or even seen this) but it may be interesting. pdf2latex http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=enie=UTF-8oe=UTF-8q=pdf2latex Finding out what to search on sometimes takes a while... (maybe you've already seen rejected, in which case, as you were.) Regards, Hal Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 21:33:41 +1100 From: Michael Lake [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [SLUG] PDF to Latex or similar To: Sydney Linux User Group [EMAIL PROTECTED] Alan L Tyree wrote: I've done a brief Google w/o success. Is there some reasonable way to convert PDF to Latex or to any readable markup? In DEbian there is a package called xpdf-utils. That contains pdftotext: NAME: pdftotext - Portable Document Format (PDF) to text converter SYNOPSIS: pdftotext [options] [PDF-file [text-file]] DESCRIPTION: Pdftotext converts Portable Document Format (PDF) files to plain text. Pdftotext reads the PDF file, PDF-file, and writes a text file, text-file. There is an option: -htmlmeta: Generate a simple HTML file, including the meta information. This simply wraps the text in pre and /pre and prepends the meta headers. pdftotext will give you the text but not the markup. :-( -- __ Sign-up for your own personalized E-mail at Mail.com http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup CareerBuilder.com has over 400,000 jobs. Be smarter about your job search http://corp.mail.com/careers -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] PDF to latex or similar
On Tue, 2003-11-04 at 12:32, Hal Ashburner wrote: Alan, sorry, just playing catch up with my mail. I've never used (or even seen this) but it may be interesting. pdf2latex http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=enie=UTF-8oe=UTF-8q=pdf2latex Finding out what to search on sometimes takes a while... (maybe you've already seen rejected, in which case, as you were.) I have seen - the thing seems to be rather poorly named since it is for creating pdf files from latex sources!! Thanks, alan Regards, Hal Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 21:33:41 +1100 From: Michael Lake [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [SLUG] PDF to Latex or similar To: Sydney Linux User Group [EMAIL PROTECTED] Alan L Tyree wrote: I've done a brief Google w/o success. Is there some reasonable way to convert PDF to Latex or to any readable markup? In DEbian there is a package called xpdf-utils. That contains pdftotext: NAME: pdftotext - Portable Document Format (PDF) to text converter SYNOPSIS: pdftotext [options] [PDF-file [text-file]] DESCRIPTION: Pdftotext converts Portable Document Format (PDF) files to plain text. Pdftotext reads the PDF file, PDF-file, and writes a text file, text-file. There is an option: -htmlmeta: Generate a simple HTML file, including the meta information. This simply wraps the text in pre and /pre and prepends the meta headers. pdftotext will give you the text but not the markup. :-( -- __ Sign-up for your own personalized E-mail at Mail.com http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup CareerBuilder.com has over 400,000 jobs. Be smarter about your job search http://corp.mail.com/careers -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug -- -- Alan L Tyree http://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: +61 2 4782 2670 Mobile: +61 405 084 990 Fax: +61 2 4782 7092 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] Red Hat discontinues maintenance and errata support
Red Hat has announced it will discontinue maintenance and errata support for Red Hat Linux 7.1, 7.2, 7.3 and 8.0 as of December 31, 2003. Red Hat will also discontinue maintenance and errata support for Red Hat Linux 9 as of April 30, 2004. Red Hat does not plan to release another product in the Red Hat Linux line. Instead, Red Hat will now sell the box-set of Red Hat Linux which now becomes Red Hat Enterprise Linux in three flavours: WS (workstation, what we now use mostly), ES (the stuff we use now on steroids), and AS (advanced server). The Red Hat Linux we know and love will supposedly become Fedora. But how Fedora is linked to Red Hat Linux is another question. So far, all that I have read says that it will replace Red Hat's RPM's. Linux is not mentioned. The announced pricing is as follows: RHLE WS (Linux 3) x86basic $US179 standard $US299 Itanium,AMD64 --- standard $US792 RHLE ES x86 basic $US349 standard $US799 RHLE AS x86 basic $US1499 premium $US2499 Itanium,AMD64,IBM basic $US1992 premium $US2998 IBM series basic $US15000 premium $US18000 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] PDF to latex or similar
Alan == Alan L Tyree Alan writes: Alan On Tue, 2003-11-04 at 12:32, Hal Ashburner wrote: Alan, sorry, just playing catch up with my mail. I've never used (or even seen this) but it may be interesting. pdf2latex Alan I have seen - the thing seems to be rather poorly named since it Alan is for creating pdf files from latex sources!! I think you're getting mixed up with pdflatex. A quick google search on pdf2latex shows only typos for pdflatex. The only (not very good) method I know for getting editable stuff from a pdf is to use pstoedit. Peter C -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Postfix and regexp
** Reply to note from Kevin Saenz [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tue, 04 Nov 2003 12:24:07 +1100 why are you tuesday 10pm? Kevin, that's a good Q. the answer is long and involved, and, I do not understand some parts of it... but if you really need to know: this machine used to run 'daytime' against my web server, and, the webserver run daytime against adelaide uni time server; (not that corrections amounted to more than a second or two) now that this machine is on intermittent dialup, I set the dialup to invoke daytime augean.eleceng.adelaide.edu.au unknown to me, that no longer seems to be available as a result of that, I was 1 hour out (DST) so, today, when I noticed I'm out by DST, and, adelaide no longer is there, I though, I'd try an NTPD instead of daytime, I've set up NTPD sometime in 1999, but, never used it since then, NTPD had these in: poll interval = 16384 augean.eleceng.adelaide.edu.au ntp.cs.mu.OZ.AU ntp.ml.csiro.au ntp.tip.CSIRO.AU tick.usno.navy.mil tock.usno.navy.mil time.nist.gov 206.54.0.21 half of these no longer work, as I soon discovered, then, NTPD told me it's correcting my clock by a weired amount of seconds and, I eneded really way off. I then restarted NTPD again, again, it corrected my clock by some weired amount. at which point I run daytime against tick/tock, and, it fixed the time. I guess, NTPD takes an average between local machine time as well as remote clocks, and, I guess, NTPD shouldn't be invoked on on obviously incorrect time, and, I guess, if I left NTPD running, it would eventually correct the time. Perhaps an interval of '16384' prevented re-calc from being somewhat quicker... which reminds me, I should really configure ntpd on my Linux server. Voytek Eymont -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] No more Red Hat Linux support after April 30 2004 - Quick Survey
If you haven't heard the news, Red Hat will no longer provider errata updates for RHL after April 30 next year. (See http://www.newsforge.com/software/03/11/03/1657205.shtml ). (You'll have go to RH Enterprise Linux for support from them) So a quick survey among Red Hat SLUGgers. I'm a long time RH user currently with a few RH9 machines. So where are you going to go to? 1) Redhat Enterprise Linux? (and pay for the license and support) 2) Fedora (the spin-off free/open community supported project from RHL)? 3) Debian? 4) Mandrake? 5) Suse? 6) Gentoo? 7) Slackware? 8) Something else? It would be interested to see the spread of responses. Martin Martin Visser ,CISSP Network and Security Consultant Technology Infrastructure - Consulting Integration HP Services 3 Richardson Place North Ryde, Sydney NSW 2113, Australia Phone *: +61-2-9022-1670Mobile *: +61-411-254-513 Fax 7: +61-2-9022-1800 E-mail * : martin.visserAThp.com -Original Message- From: Peter Chubb [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, 4 November 2003 1:48 PM To: Alan L Tyree Cc: Sydney Linux User Group; Hal Ashburner Subject: Re: [SLUG] PDF to latex or similar Alan == Alan L Tyree Alan writes: Alan On Tue, 2003-11-04 at 12:32, Hal Ashburner wrote: Alan, sorry, just playing catch up with my mail. I've never used (or even seen this) but it may be interesting. pdf2latex Alan I have seen - the thing seems to be rather poorly named since it Alan is for creating pdf files from latex sources!! I think you're getting mixed up with pdflatex. A quick google search on pdf2latex shows only typos for pdflatex. The only (not very good) method I know for getting editable stuff from a pdf is to use pstoedit. Peter C -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] No more Red Hat Linux support after April 30 2004 - Quick Survey
On Tue, 2003-11-04 at 14:21, Visser, Martin (Sydney) wrote: If you haven't heard the news, Red Hat will no longer provider errata updates for RHL after April 30 next year. (See http://www.newsforge.com/software/03/11/03/1657205.shtml ). (You'll have go to RH Enterprise Linux for support from them) So a quick survey among Red Hat SLUGgers. I'm a long time RH user currently with a few RH9 machines. So where are you going to go to? 1) Redhat Enterprise Linux? (and pay for the license and support) 2) Fedora (the spin-off free/open community supported project from RHL)? 3) Debian? 4) Mandrake? 5) Suse? 6) Gentoo? 7) Slackware? 8) Something else? It would be interested to see the spread of responses. I have never used anything other than RH. I run a desktop machine, used mainly for writing book length projects and dealing with Word documents as part of a consultancy. Emacs + LaTeX + OpenOffice.org. I guess I'll bite the bullet and try to go for Debian. Cheers, Alan Martin Martin Visser ,CISSP Network and Security Consultant Technology Infrastructure - Consulting Integration HP Services 3 Richardson Place North Ryde, Sydney NSW 2113, Australia Phone *: +61-2-9022-1670Mobile *: +61-411-254-513 Fax 7: +61-2-9022-1800 E-mail * : martin.visserAThp.com -Original Message- From: Peter Chubb [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, 4 November 2003 1:48 PM To: Alan L Tyree Cc: Sydney Linux User Group; Hal Ashburner Subject: Re: [SLUG] PDF to latex or similar Alan == Alan L Tyree Alan writes: Alan On Tue, 2003-11-04 at 12:32, Hal Ashburner wrote: Alan, sorry, just playing catch up with my mail. I've never used (or even seen this) but it may be interesting. pdf2latex Alan I have seen - the thing seems to be rather poorly named since it Alan is for creating pdf files from latex sources!! I think you're getting mixed up with pdflatex. A quick google search on pdf2latex shows only typos for pdflatex. The only (not very good) method I know for getting editable stuff from a pdf is to use pstoedit. Peter C -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug -- -- Alan L Tyree http://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: +61 2 4782 2670 Mobile: +61 405 084 990 Fax: +61 2 4782 7092 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] No more Red Hat Linux support after April 30 2004 - Quick Survey
I used to be a Mandrake user until Michael and a few friends showed me the errors of my way. I have a tendency to lean towards Mandrake and Debian I think the two groups are very polar in their design and implementation. They have their different uses. 3) Debian? 4) Mandrake? -- Regards, Kevin Saenz Spinaweb I.T consultants Ph: 02 4620 5130 Fax: 02 4625 9243 Mobile: 0418455661 Web: http://www.spinaweb.com.au -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] No more Red Hat Linux support after April 30 2004 - Quick Survey
On Tue, 2003-11-04 at 15:07, Andrew Bennetts wrote: I'm curious -- why would you choose Debian over Fedora? I'm a happy Debian user, but I would've thought that someone with a Red Hat background would use Fedora? In my view, the lack of corp support would be key. The reason a lot of people choose redhat by default is because of the name recognition etc. If you're loosing that advantage, perhaps it's time to evaluate if your distro is truly right for you. (I'm assuming that fedora will not be officially supported by Redhat and that vendors will start releasing products tested with RHAS-WE etc) -- Tony Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] No more Red Hat Linux support after April 30 2004 - Quick Survey
On Tue, 2003-11-04 at 15:07, Andrew Bennetts wrote: While it's got a new name and a more open development process than Red Hat Linux, as I understand it it's still essentially the same system, so I'm curious as to why Red Hat Linux becoming Fedora is a reason to switch to Debian? Debian has 10 years experience at community driven linux. Red Hat has none. (Well, not -quite- true. But close enough). Rob -- GPG key available at: http://members.aardvark.net.au/lifeless/keys.txt. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] No more Red Hat Linux support after April 30 2004 - Quick Survey
On Tue, Nov 04, 2003 at 03:11:51PM +1100, Robert Collins wrote: On Tue, 2003-11-04 at 15:07, Andrew Bennetts wrote: While it's got a new name and a more open development process than Red Hat Linux, as I understand it it's still essentially the same system, so I'm curious as to why Red Hat Linux becoming Fedora is a reason to switch to Debian? Debian has 10 years experience at community driven linux. Red Hat has none. (Well, not -quite- true. But close enough). On the other hand, Red Hat's engineering team is still involved in producing Fedora, they're just opening up the development process to non-Red Hat contributors as well (or so it seems from reading http://fedora.redhat.com/). It reminds me of how Mozilla was developed until quite recently. So my guess was that people would've looked at Fedora as being like Red Hat Linux, only better... but judging from responses from actual Red Hat users, that's not necessarily the case. Just goes to show how little this Debian user knows about Red Hat ;) -Andrew. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] PDF to latex or similar
On Tue, 4 Nov 2003 13:48, Peter Chubb wrote: Alan == Alan L Tyree Alan writes: The only (not very good) method I know for getting editable stuff from a pdf is to use pstoedit. Just for info - Kword will import pdf files and does keep most of the formatting and the text can be edited. -- Regards, Graham Smith - -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] No more Red Hat Linux support after April 30 2004 - Quick Survey
On Tue, 4 Nov 2003 14:21, Visser, Martin (Sydney) wrote: If you haven't heard the news, Red Hat will no longer provider errata updates for RHL after April 30 next year. (See http://www.newsforge.com/software/03/11/03/1657205.shtml ). (You'll have go to RH Enterprise Linux for support from them) So a quick survey among Red Hat SLUGgers. I'm a long time RH user currently with a few RH9 machines. So where are you going to go to? 1) Redhat Enterprise Linux? (and pay for the license and support) 2) Fedora (the spin-off free/open community supported project from RHL)? 3) Debian? 4) Mandrake? 5) Suse? 6) Gentoo? 7) Slackware? 8) Something else? It would be interested to see the spread of responses. Martin Well SuSE has a two year support cycle on the retail versions of their products. e.g. SuSE 9.0 Professional will be supported for the next two years for Security related issues. http://www.suse.de/en/private/support/index.html -- Regards, Graham Smith - -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] No more Red Hat Linux support after April 30 2004 - Quick Survey
on Tue, Nov 04, 2003 at 02:21:31PM +1100, Visser, Martin (Sydney) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So a quick survey among Red Hat SLUGgers. I'm a long time RH user currently with a few RH9 machines. So where are you going to go to? Ill be going Debian. Ive only ever used RH but but I tend to compile my most important apps myself so Im not too fussed. Ive noticed that most techie people seem to like Debian so Ive been meaning to look at this for some time. BB -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
RE: [SLUG] No more Red Hat Linux support after April 30 2004 - QuickSurvey
I have to admit the Fedora project very much seems to be akin to the Mozilla spin-off from Netscape. Of course this seems to have gone very well, and even resulted in further user-driven developments such as Firebird and Thunderbird. It will be interesting to see if the Linux community becomes more fractured because of this, or unites behind one or two distributions. (Most of the analyses of linux market share always have Red Hat at least 50%, so there are a lot users that will need to find a new place to hang their hat on (no pun intended!)) Martin Visser ,CISSP Network and Security Consultant Technology Infrastructure - Consulting Integration HP Services 3 Richardson Place North Ryde, Sydney NSW 2113, Australia Phone *: +61-2-9022-1670Mobile *: +61-411-254-513 Fax 7: +61-2-9022-1800 E-mail * : martin.visserAThp.com -Original Message- From: Andrew Bennetts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, 4 November 2003 3:25 PM To: Sydney Linux User Group Subject: Re: [SLUG] No more Red Hat Linux support after April 30 2004 - QuickSurvey On Tue, Nov 04, 2003 at 03:11:51PM +1100, Robert Collins wrote: On Tue, 2003-11-04 at 15:07, Andrew Bennetts wrote: While it's got a new name and a more open development process than Red Hat Linux, as I understand it it's still essentially the same system, so I'm curious as to why Red Hat Linux becoming Fedora is a reason to switch to Debian? Debian has 10 years experience at community driven linux. Red Hat has none. (Well, not -quite- true. But close enough). On the other hand, Red Hat's engineering team is still involved in producing Fedora, they're just opening up the development process to non-Red Hat contributors as well (or so it seems from reading http://fedora.redhat.com/). It reminds me of how Mozilla was developed until quite recently. So my guess was that people would've looked at Fedora as being like Red Hat Linux, only better... but judging from responses from actual Red Hat users, that's not necessarily the case. Just goes to show how little this Debian user knows about Red Hat ;) -Andrew. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] No more Red Hat Linux support after April 30 2004 - Quick Survey
I'll be (or am at the moment) switching to fedora. I've tried most of the distros but for a recent stable OS I still find redhat to be the one. And as the layout will be v similar to the redhat commercial products it means I'll still know what the paying folks want you to know. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] No more Red Hat Linux support after April 30 2004 - Quick Survey
Doh, I meant I used to be RH and a Mandrake user until ... I used to be a Mandrake user until Michael and a few friends showed me the errors of my way. I have a tendency to lean towards Mandrake and Debian I think the two groups are very polar in their design and implementation. They have their different uses. 3) Debian? 4) Mandrake? -- Regards, Kevin Saenz Spinaweb I.T consultants Ph: 02 4620 5130 Fax: 02 4625 9243 Mobile: 0418455661 Web: http://www.spinaweb.com.au -- Regards, Kevin Saenz Spinaweb I.T consultants Ph: 02 4620 5130 Fax: 02 4625 9243 Mobile: 0418455661 Web: http://www.spinaweb.com.au -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] No more Red Hat Linux support after April 30 2004 - Quick Survey
Visser, Martin (Sydney) wrote: If you haven't heard the news, Red Hat will no longer provider errata updates for RHL after April 30 next year. (See http://www.newsforge.com/software/03/11/03/1657205.shtml ). (You'll have go to RH Enterprise Linux for support from them) So a quick survey among Red Hat SLUGgers. I'm a long time RH user currently with a few RH9 machines. So where are you going to go to? 1) Redhat Enterprise Linux? (and pay for the license and support) 2) Fedora (the spin-off free/open community supported project from RHL)? 3) Debian? 4) Mandrake? 5) Suse? 6) Gentoo? 7) Slackware? 8) Something else? It would be interested to see the spread of responses. Probably Fedora or Debian, depending on maintenance and security update availability (and the time-to-market thereof). I've heard a lot of good things about Debian on this list (and others), and will try it sometime soon (especially after this announcement). I may end up dealing with a few RH Enterprise' as businesses often don't like the sound of relying on a community supported project type distro -- Phil Scarratt Draxsen Technologies IT Contractor -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] No more Red Hat Linux support after April 30 2004 - Quick Survey
On Tue, 2003-11-04 at 15:11, Robert Collins wrote: On Tue, 2003-11-04 at 15:07, Andrew Bennetts wrote: While it's got a new name and a more open development process than Red Hat Linux, as I understand it it's still essentially the same system, so I'm curious as to why Red Hat Linux becoming Fedora is a reason to switch to Debian? Good question. I haven't really thought it through since I doubt if I will be doing anything too soon. Debian has 10 years experience at community driven linux. Red Hat has none. (Well, not -quite- true. But close enough). This makes Debian appealing to me. After all, it is one of the reasons that I switched to Linux in the first place. Although the fact that the other OS locked up on me twice a day also had something to do with it. Also, as somebody else mentioned, Debian seems to be the (almost) universal choice of the professionals on this list. I *think* that is an argument in favour of giving it a try :-) Cheers, Alan Rob -- GPG key available at: http://members.aardvark.net.au/lifeless/keys.txt. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug -- -- Alan L Tyree http://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: +61 2 4782 2670 Mobile: +61 405 084 990 Fax: +61 2 4782 7092 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] PDF to latex or similar
On Tue, 2003-11-04 at 15:22, Graham Smith wrote: On Tue, 4 Nov 2003 13:48, Peter Chubb wrote: Alan == Alan L Tyree Alan writes: The only (not very good) method I know for getting editable stuff from a pdf is to use pstoedit. Just for info - Kword will import pdf files and does keep most of the formatting and the text can be edited. Sounds worth a look. Many thanks, Alan -- Regards, Graham Smith - -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug -- -- Alan L Tyree http://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: +61 2 4782 2670 Mobile: +61 405 084 990 Fax: +61 2 4782 7092 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] No more Red Hat Linux support after April 30 2004 - Quick Survey
On Tue, 2003-11-04 at 15:11, Robert Collins wrote: Also, as somebody else mentioned, Debian seems to be the (almost) universal choice of the professionals on this list. I *think* that is an argument in favour of giving it a try :-) I also thought I'd give it a try for this reason. I got the base install done OK but had some troubles getting X installed and working. It was off an APC cover cd a few months back and I think it required me to download a heap of stuff off the net to actually get a 'proper' desktop OS happening. I'm very new to the UNIX/Linux scene but I'll buy a cd set one of these days and give it another go. cheers, Brad. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] No more Red Hat Linux support after April 30 2004 - Quick Survey
On Tue, 2003-11-04 at 17:34, Brad Kowalczyk wrote: On Tue, 2003-11-04 at 15:11, Robert Collins wrote: Also, as somebody else mentioned, Debian seems to be the (almost) universal choice of the professionals on this list. I *think* that is an argument in favour of giving it a try :-) Just a note folk: watch your quoting: I never typed/said either of those things. Rob -- GPG key available at: http://members.aardvark.net.au/lifeless/keys.txt. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] No more Red Hat Linux support after April 30 2004 - Quick Survey
On Tue, 2003-11-04 at 17:42, Robert Collins wrote: On Tue, 2003-11-04 at 17:34, Brad Kowalczyk wrote: On Tue, 2003-11-04 at 15:11, Robert Collins wrote: Also, as somebody else mentioned, Debian seems to be the (almost) universal choice of the professionals on this list. I *think* that is an argument in favour of giving it a try :-) Just a note folk: watch your quoting: I never typed/said either of those things. Sorry Rob. I was trying to be clever, not insult anybody. Regards, Alan Rob -- GPG key available at: http://members.aardvark.net.au/lifeless/keys.txt. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug -- -- Alan L Tyree http://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: +61 2 4782 2670 Mobile: +61 405 084 990 Fax: +61 2 4782 7092 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] No more Red Hat Linux support after April 30 2004 - Q uick Survey
If you haven't heard the news, Red Hat will no longer provider errata updates for RHL after April 30 next year. (See http://www.newsforge.com/software/03/11/03/1657205.shtml ). (You'll have go to RH Enterprise Linux for support from them) So a quick survey among Red Hat SLUGgers. I'm a long time RH user currently with a few RH9 machines. So where are you going to go to? 1) Redhat Enterprise Linux? (and pay for the license and support) 2) Fedora (the spin-off free/open community supported project from RHL)? 3) Debian? 4) Mandrake? 5) Suse? 6) Gentoo? 7) Slackware? 8) Something else? Sounds like more hysteria... Myself, I have used rh for some time 10 year+ and have joined a legacy project to support redhat releases from 7.3 up for some time to come. This is of course the Fedora legacy project. Fedora does of course come with 9 months of updates free of charge. If that is not enough, you could choose another RedHat product. Option 1 here seems a good choice, but RHEL is not the only offering from redhat, I would suggest the author check redhat.com for other available products. If you have small servers, why not go with Professional Workstation (RHPW) The cost is what you pay already for a boxed set plus updates. seems reasonable to me. I dont think 9.0 will be my last redhat, oh, if you are using 9.0, run this... # /usr/libexec/redhat-credits I will do my bit to give the Fedora, and other releases, an extended life. You can of course, download the RHEL source and compile the thing yourself for free! Most of my workstations now have been moved to OSX 10.3 and I will keep my redhat machines for firewalling and devel, my main servers are moving to OpenBSD. I really dont see any need at all to switch from redhat for these. The same RH engineers responsible for sections of RHEL are responsible for those same section of Fedora. I really dont see what the drama is here. Kind regards Kevin -- __ (_ \ _) ) | / / _ ) / _ | / ___) / _ ) | | ( (/ / ( ( | |( (___ ( (/ / |_| \) \_||_| \) \) Kevin Waterson Port Macquarie, Australia -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
