[SLUG] Drag and Drop Forms in Perl !!
Hi Sluggers: Does anyone know if Perl supports drag and drop forms for GUI type development. The front end is accessed via the browser ? Are there special modules needed for this ? Thanks in advance. -- I'm always learning something new everyday. Thanks Sluggers. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] PGP questions
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 You may want to sign emails for non deniability (and indeed deniability) reasons. This may or may not be important to certain classes of users. This sounds like a good excuse for a debian style key signing party. There is an explanation on how to run one here. http://www.google.com.au/search?q=cache:o3gc4w9s4XIJ:www.cryptnet.net/fdp/crypto/gpg-party.html+debian+key+signing+partyhl=enie=UTF-8 This is a good howto since it details how to use a keyserver in the human protocol. A more simplistic howto is here http://www.debian.org/events/keysigning Lots of fun and it builds up a web of trust which in some respects is a bit less brittle than a traditional PKI. Once webs of trust are built up you can start to trust people automatically without the overhead of keyservers. When is the next slug meeting? Maybe we could get a keysigning party together for this. Mark On Thu, 19 Feb 2004 06:36 pm, David Uzzell wrote: Just have a quick question about PGP and what slug members use/do. Just out of intrest what Keyservers do people use? I generally use www.keyserver.net and over recent time have been watching some of the PGP signed emails comming in through SLUG list and other list's but from the looks of it most people don't have their keys up on that set of servers and some don't even have keys up anywere I could find to verifiy the Signiture. If people use PGP, why would people sign emails without having their key uploaded to a keyserver for other people to check their sig's if they want? What do people generally use PGP for? At this point it is fairly challanging to get Customers to use it for secure emails. Some customers ~ don't even care and just send things like CC number through email without a care. Internally in our company we use it to secure all our emails with server passwords and Doc's that you would not want to get out in anyway shape or form. David - -- ~~~ ~ | |\ |\ | | / Mark Canavan ~ | || |-||-||- http://www.inbhe.org ~ | || |/ | | \ ~~~ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFAOGwtsRo8bGZWxRsRAsBIAJ4kxkM4NmpwcraQnF5Kbmnurc7MdgCfdVfI ZjJXGoyekGTLlKYX+eDp4KE= =eIqC -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] XDMCP, CYGWIN and Debian Linux
Hi Sluggers: I basically want to access my Debian box GUI manager via Windows client using CYGWIN. I have installed cygwin on Windows. On my debain I have modified the gdm.conf file and enabled XDMCP. However when I X -query ip_address I get a blank screen on Windows. Am I missing something here with the setups for Debian. Please note that the Windows and Debian are connected via a Lan connection. I can ping the Debian box from the windows machine. Any clues ... Thanks ... -- I'm always learning something new everyday. Thanks Sluggers. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] XDMCP, CYGWIN and Debian Linux
On Sun, 2004-02-22 at 19:53, Louis wrote: X -query ip_address This is right... Assuming you can ping the ip address :-) I have debian and the gdm is set up for access. To prove what the problem is you might try and `telnet ipaddress 177. check /etc/gdm/gdm.conf [xdcmp] Enable=true From memory I tried to configure it via gdm config and it did not work. If it is a real problem I can forward my copy that works for a diff. -- Thanks KenF OpenOffice.org developer -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
RE: [SLUG] accessing MS desktops from Linux
I can tell you that the Citrix clients for Linux work very well, Including the optional mapping of client drives and printers. ~~~ Im online, therefore I am ! ~~~ From: Sonia Hamilton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [SLUG] accessing MS desktops from Linux Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2004 13:31:02 +1100 (EST) One of my clients is planning to upgrade their network, and I'm pricing MS (Terminal services + a whole n/w of new desktops + licenses - ouch). What I want to do is put Linux on all the old desktops, and have graphical access to 1 windows machine - what can I run on Linux that will do this? I know I can use VNC, but it's a bit clunky, especially since the 1 Windows app that the users need to access is their main app (which they use all day). Anyone had experience with the Citrix ICA Client running on Linux? It looks promising. Any other hints as to what I could use? -- Sonia Hamilton . The spec said Windows 2000 or better...so I installed Linux -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html _ E-mail just got a whole lot better. New ninemsn Premium. Click here http://ninemsn.com.au/premium/landing.asp -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] PGP questions
On Sun, 2004-02-22 at 19:45, Mark Canavan wrote: Lots of fun and it builds up a web of trust which in some respects is a bit less brittle than a traditional PKI. Once webs of trust are built up you can start to trust people automatically without the overhead of keyservers. When is the next slug meeting? Maybe we could get a keysigning party together for this. Just bring key fingerprints and 2 forms of id. Then exchange that with whoever you wish at the meeting. We just had a mammoth keysigning at LCA, time for a break I think ;). Rob -- GPG key available at: http://www.robertcollins.net/keys.txt. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] File based databases?
On Sat, 21 Feb 2004 15:18:19 +1100 Jeff Waugh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: quote who=Erik de Castro Lopo I need a file based database for a program I'm working on. I don't want to have the whole database server thing happening that you get with MySQL which is also a bit heavyweight for my pruposes. I'm thinking of using Tridge's libtdb, but I'd like to look at other options as well. tdb or SQLite [1] :-) Thanks people. SQlite seems to fit the bill. Cheers, Erik -- +---+ Erik de Castro Lopo [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Yes it's valid) +---+ The word Windows is a word out of an old dialect of the Apaches. It means: White man staring through glass-screen onto an hourglass... -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] Interesting utility - tiny C compiler
Tiny C compiler, in debian. From the documentation: http://fabrice.bellard.free.fr/tcc X86 only. Provides the ability to have C script with #!/bin/tcc -run Provides bounds checking code with -b option Small and fast. Sounds interesting... -- Thanks KenF OpenOffice.org developer -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Interesting utility - tiny C compiler
quote who=Ken Foskey Provides the ability to have C script with #!/bin/tcc -run Fabrice is the same dude who wrote qemu. He's done some pretty amazing stuff, although at times I worry... What men dream of, Fabrice writes. - Jeff -- GVADEC 2004: Kristiansand, Norwayhttp://2004.guadec.org/ We are not lovers. We are not romantics. We are here to serve you. - Gary Numan, Down In The Park -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Drag and Drop Forms in Perl !!
On Sun, 2004-02-22 at 19:49, Louis wrote: Hi Sluggers: Does anyone know if Perl supports drag and drop forms for GUI type development. The front end is accessed via the browser ? Perl has bindings for a number of GUI toolkits. I'm sure they'd support drag and drop. The problem of turning this into a CGI app in javascript with requisite magic is pretty slim I'd say. I'd love to be proven wrong, but I suspect you won't find a pre-made module for this kinda thing. At any rate, the place to look for anything perl is www.cpan.org. James. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Re: DSPAM vs SpamAssassin FYI
On Sun, 2004-02-22 at 17:29, Mary Gardiner wrote: Most people really care about spam vs non-spam but it sounds from your mail like a spam/virus/non-spam categorisation might work. It would need to be a bit smarter than what I'm using now. It would need to take the email apart and unzip attachments (like clamav does), and perform analysis on that. I'm pretty sure it could work ok if you did stuff like indexing on library dependencies (which also means you'd need ldd versions for a bunch of platforms). As I understand it, the Bayes algorithm doesn't consider word orderings. Something would need to be done about that to match code -- unless series of instructions were taken as single tokens. Probably getting a bit off-topic, but it's an interesting idea. Of course, at present (and perhaps inevitably) pattern matching for viruses is much much more reliable than pattern matching for spam. Well, yeah. I see my virus scanning as a solved-problem. I'm already at 100% accuracy, and downloading new virus signatures each day isn't too onerous for me. James. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Att: Edward G Howard RE:ADSL
Really you don't need all the /var/log/messages file. You just need to port the parts that have to do with pppoe. If I am correct in my assumption the router has not been configured into bridge mode. got the log (/var/log/messages) plus 'ifconfig', in a CD, It is 3.4 MB in size. Would you like me to post it to you? Please advise -- Rgds. Edward Registered Linux User #224802 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] ATTN: thaytan.. [Fwd: Mail delivery failed: returning message to sender]
On Sun, Feb 22, 2004 at 01:35:28PM +1100, Robert Collins wrote: On Sun, 2004-02-22 at 01:45, Jan Schmidt wrote: Hi Rob, =20 There's a new speex file at http://masher.homeip.net/~jan/down/robc- arch.spx that you can fetch. Cool. So how do I get an ogg file from that? The ogg file you did before was ok in quality - but too short ;). an ogg vorbis file may be about 10x the size of a speex file, so you may prefer to simply use the speex file directly. Also re-encoding from speex to [anything] ogg vorbis will produce terrible quality. Either way: apt-get install speex then if you really want the ogg do: speexdec arch.spx - | oggenc - -o arch.ogg or to just listen: speexdec arch.spx (or use sweep to do these with a gui :) K. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Re: DSPAM vs SpamAssassin FYI
On Sun, Feb 22, 2004, Andrew Cowie wrote: My guess [this is entirely unscientific] is that it backfired on them. The dictionary is relatively big, but the set of words commonly used is *really* small in comparison. Because they use words that I and my correspondents *never* use, the score on uncommon words (take lanthanide and dispensary. Who are they kidding?) goes up, and they become clear markers for spam. I had a pretty similar experience: the random word spams were missed initially, but the filter was trained on them successfully. I've never looked at the particular implementation/application of Bayes's theorem in SpamAssassin or bogofilter, but I did do an implementation of Paul Graham's plan for spam for an assignment. The plan for spam specifies that you need to take the X most indicative words in any mail (ie the 15 words that are most polarised towards ham or spam) and combine their probabilities to get a probability that the mail itself is spam or ham. The words in the middle could be spam, could be ham... don't count. It seems likely to me that the uncommon words were simply not among the most indicative words. The reason the random word spams were missing the filters was that they *also* lacked incredibly spammy words. However, as we trained our filters, the words in them (remember, headers included!) were learned as spammy. As far as I can see, the major weakness in the Bayesian method is that it is quite easy to work out what words are spammy -- I suspect my most spammy list looks much like yours, and much like everyone else's. A spammer can assemble a training corpus of spam as easily as we can, work out what words really set a Bayesian filter on fire and avoid them. However, the Bayesian filters do get updated :) The major strength is that the hammy words, especially the strongly hammy, are pretty difficult to guess, because valid mail varies by person (everyone gets pretty similar spam, people get quite different valid mail). -Mary -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] Re: DSPAM vs SpamAssassin FYI
Now if you really want to advocate something start out with a positive mindset and worse say, don't expect a response. Hi Ken, I apologize if you took this the wrong way - what I said in my original email was that I was not a member of SLUG, and therefore if you expected a response from me you'd need to email me directly. By no means did I mean do not expect a response from me...only that you would need to use Reply-All otherwise I wouldn't get it. I am responding to ensure that Open Source as a whole is represented in a positive light. Imagine if I posted a tirade about how bad the other open source projects that provide the same facilities as OpenOffice.org. I do not declare it the best for every instance, gnumeric possibly is the better spreadsheet for simpler sheets for example. Again, I didn't mean my email to be negative...if it was taken that way, then either I wrote it wrong or it was read wrong... it was intended as a [good spirited] rebuttal to the previous, more malicious message that started this thread - which I feel was more guilty of negativity than my own reply was. Completely void of any real facts and designed as more of a poke than a real informative message. I hope I provided enough information to balance the original thread out, but being nasty was not my intention. If you genuinely want to convert people then subscribe for a while and offer assistance to help others to install dspam. I actually wasn't originally looking to convert anyone, just rebut an email...but I am more than glad to help anybody who is looking to use DSPAM, as are the many other members of the dspam-users mailing list. Please feel free to email me directly or email the dspam-users list and I'll be glad to help out. For obvious reasons, I can't be a member of every open-source mailing list out there, but I do appreciate the invitation. Jonathan -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Re: DSPAM vs SpamAssassin FYI
On Sun, Feb 22, 2004 at 03:39:48PM +1100, Jeff Waugh wrote: So, who's been having fun with their anti-spam tools recently? I'm still using spamassassin and bogofilter [1] these days, but finding more and more crap in my real inbox, thanks to all this random-text crap. Gar. I've been using bogofilter too. I have about 15,000 messages of junk mail divided up into spam/scam/virus/bogus delivery messages. I trained bogofilter on my spam and ham (ham being all my archived mailing list mail and personal mail archives) The results were ok. I got far too many false positives. The main false positives were mail from myself at work with a single web site link -- I mail myself interesting links to read. So these look pretty spammy, although I obviously need a whitelist. I really dislike false positives, and I don't see how bayesian analysis can avoid them. I'm always going to have the occasionally valid but spammy look mail. As unfortunate as it is, I think the only way to combat spam is to make it expensive to send by default. Expensive here means more expensive than a good return return by the spammers. Say the spammers get a hit rate of selling $100 worth of stuff for every million messages, then the cost of sending mail should be at least double that rate -- it should cost them about $200 to send a million messages. Is there any mail client that integrates tightly with spam detectors? I'd like to click on a column to sort messages by spamicity. Matt -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Interesting utility - tiny C compiler
tcc looks great. FWIW, there's a few other C/C++ intepreters of various maturity and standards conformity: cint cminusminus.org sphinx c-- pike (c ish) ch (not open source, but free, and very complete) -- -Matt -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] ATTN: thaytan.. [Fwd: Mail delivery failed: returning message to sender]
quote who=Conrad Parker On Sun, Feb 22, 2004 at 01:35:28PM +1100, Robert Collins wrote: On Sun, 2004-02-22 at 01:45, Jan Schmidt wrote: Hi Rob, =20 There's a new speex file at http://masher.homeip.net/~jan/down/robc- arch.spx that you can fetch. Cool. So how do I get an ogg file from that? The ogg file you did before was ok in quality - but too short ;). an ogg vorbis file may be about 10x the size of a speex file, so you may prefer to simply use the speex file directly. Also re-encoding from speex to [anything] ogg vorbis will produce terrible quality. I ended up producing a new ogg/vorbis file from the original wav, at quite a low bitrate, which still produced acceptable quality because the original is a voice only recording. (or use sweep to do these with a gui :) ... as soon as sweep supports loading a 70 minute file without consuming all of swap :) J. -- Jan Schmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED] I came for the quality. I stayed for the freedom. -- Sean Neakums -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Re: DSPAM vs SpamAssassin FYI
On Mon, Feb 23, 2004, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As unfortunate as it is, I think the only way to combat spam is to make it expensive to send by default. Interesting thing to advocate on a high volume mailing list of (almost entirely) legitmate mail. Of course the figures you propose would probably be affordable by SLUG and similar organisations, but not by all providers of community mailing lists. Of course, with major email providers beginning to shift to blocking *all* list mail by default unless specifically whitelisted, the burden of running or belonging to a mailing list may soon be too high to justify. Pity. -Mary -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Re: DSPAM vs SpamAssassin FYI
on Mon, Feb 23, 2004 at 10:55:47AM +1100, Mary Gardiner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Feb 23, 2004, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As unfortunate as it is, I think the only way to combat spam is to make it expensive to send by default. ... Of course, with major email providers beginning to shift to blocking *all* list mail by default unless specifically whitelisted, the burden of running or belonging to a mailing list may soon be too high to justify. Pity. Well, I just happen to be looking at the spam problem myself! Although the economic method would work do you not think that the problem is really the simple in SMTP? I believe there is work going on to write a new mail protocol for then Internet and that this will go a long way to solving the SPAM problem. BB -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] Mail relay/proxy for Fedora Core 1
Morning all! I currently have an RH9 machine that uses moxy (http://moxy.psychogenic.com/index.html) as a transparent SMTP mail relay/proxy. The project, however, appears to be quite dead. I am converting the machine over to Fedora and want something to do a similar job. Can anyone recommend something? I have seen perdition around but I can't find any rpms for Fedora and it looks quite complicated. Thanks. -- Simon Wong [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Re: DSPAM vs SpamAssassin FYI
On Mon, Feb 23, 2004 at 10:55:47AM +1100, Mary Gardiner wrote: On Mon, Feb 23, 2004, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As unfortunate as it is, I think the only way to combat spam is to make it expensive to send by default. Interesting thing to advocate on a high volume mailing list of (almost entirely) legitmate mail. Of course the figures you propose would probably be affordable by SLUG and similar organisations, but not by all providers of community mailing lists. That's why I said by default. I think exemptions would be made almost as a matter of course; certainly for solicited mail such as mailing list mail. btw, Dave Farber the interesting-people mailing list guy had this objection too. He's got 10,000 recipients so it's a serious problem for him. I've left alone the issue of who decides and who imposes the cost. Perhaps these are too intractable and we're stuck with spam forever. Of course, with major email providers beginning to shift to blocking *all* list mail by default unless specifically whitelisted, the burden Is this happening now? of running or belonging to a mailing list may soon be too high to justify. Pity. Matt -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] accessing MS desktops from Linux
On Sat, 2004-02-21 at 13:31, Sonia Hamilton wrote: One of my clients is planning to upgrade their network, and I'm pricing MS (Terminal services + a whole n/w of new desktops + licenses - ouch). What I want to do is put Linux on all the old desktops, and have graphical access to 1 windows machine - what can I run on Linux that will do this? Any other hints as to what I could use? I'll chime in on the chorus for rdesktop. We use it extensively here and it works great. -- Cheers, Craige. o/~ I'm going to die with a twinkle in my eye 'cause I sung songs spun stories loved laughed and drank wine o/~ - The Cat Empire signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] $ms patents
Alan, Thank you On Tue, 17 Feb 2004 01:43 pm, you wrote:
On Mon, 2004-02-16 at 23:56, Nicholas Tomlin wrote:
SNIP
They have to patent it here for it to be valid here.
SNIP
patent laws, Alan Tyree might be able to illucidate on this. If you ever
wrote a scripting file (and it worked) before they did, that is prior art
-
Prior art prevents a person (legal or individual) from gaining a patent..
because the idea was obviously someone else´s, unless there is something very
unique about their idea that wildly differentiates it from existing
technologies.
I'm not an IP expert. Halsbury's Laws of Australia says:
[240-5019] International arrangements Australia is a party to the Paris
Convention 1883. Under the Paris Convention, an applicant for a patent
filed in one of the convention countries (known as the 'basic'
application) may,
*
within 12 months of the date of filing of the initial
application, apply for protection in one or more of the other convention
countries.
*
Here is where they come unstuck, doubtless with the huge pool of money at hand
$M patents would have been applied for and would be in process in every
country in the world, but if not lodged within 12 months they leave
themselves open to attack.
Further, if an applicant wishes to reserve its patent rights
in a number of countries throughout the world, it is possible to file an
international patent application under the Patent Cooperation Treaty
1970 ('PCT'). [Footnotes omitted]
12 month limitation applies - this is in the $250k cost, a mere drop in the
petty cash bucket for multinational software co´s.
My understanding is that the local patent would be subject to all the
usual methods of attack.
What methods Alan, an appraisal would be nice
Regards,
Nicholas Tomlin.
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Re: [SLUG] Re: DSPAM vs SpamAssassin FYI
This one time, at band camp, Jeff Waugh wrote: So, who's been having fun with their anti-spam tools recently? I'm still using spamassassin and bogofilter [1] these days, but finding more and more crap in my real inbox, thanks to all this random-text crap. Gar. I've not been noticing my [home email] antispam, which is only bogofilter, and I haven't had any of these random text things pass through it. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://spacepants.org/jaq.gpg -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Mail relay/proxy for Fedora Core 1
On Mon, 23 Feb 2004, Simon Wong wrote: Morning all! I currently have an RH9 machine that uses moxy (http://moxy.psychogenic.com/index.html) as a transparent SMTP mail relay/proxy. The project, however, appears to be quite dead. I am converting the machine over to Fedora and want something to do a similar job. Can anyone recommend something? I hear good things about Obtuse SMTPd. I've used Postfix in the past, but that's really overkill. Mike -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Re: DSPAM vs SpamAssassin FYI
On Mon, 2004-02-23 at 10:33, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
As unfortunate as it is, I think the only way to combat
spam is to make it expensive to send by default.
As it happens, Microsoft, Yahoo, and {some major ISPs} are trying to
figure a way to implement Internet Postage.
http://www.technewsworld.com/perl/story/32760.html
They say they are advocating this because of the anti-spam effect it
would have.
I leave it as an exercise to the reader what possible ulterior
commercial motives might be present.
AfC
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Re: [SLUG] Re: DSPAM vs SpamAssassin FYI
On Sun, 2004-02-22 at 17:29, Mary Gardiner wrote:
Most people really care about spam vs
non-spam but it sounds from your mail like a spam/virus/non-spam
categorisation might work.
I stumbled across something called POPfile a while back.
http://popfile.sourceforge.net/
It didn't quite fit my usage mode at the time I was setting filtering
up, but what did catch my eye was the way it supports multiple
buckets.
If you want to classify as Spam and NotSpam, fine, but if you also
want to classify into buckets like Family ImportantLists and
HighVolumeListsWithDrivel you could do that as well.
http://popfile.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?HowTos/Training
It strikes me that this could be easier than constantly tweaking {
procmail | maildrop } rulesets...
Come to think of it, maybe I'll revisit it... :)
AfC
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[SLUG] Getting Mozilla to open PDF in its own window
Hi all How do I get Mozilla to open PDF in its own window? At present when a PDF is sent to the browser it opens up xpdf by starting xpdf. I can see this is because I have the following preferences: MIME Type: application/pdf Open with xpdf But I can't see any setting that I can set to make it open in its own window and not spawn xpdf in a separate window. On Windows Mozilla starts up Acroread within its own Window. Can this be done with xpdf ? -- Mike Lake Caver, Linux enthusiast and interested in anything technical. UTS CRICOS Provider Code: 00099F DISCLAIMER This email message and any accompanying attachments may contain confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, do not read, use, disseminate, distribute or copy this message or attachments. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this message. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, except where the sender expressly, and with authority, states them to be the views the University of Technology Sydney. Before opening any attachments, please check them for viruses and defects. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] Interesting article ...
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Re: [SLUG] Getting Mozilla to open PDF in its own window
On Mon, 2004-02-23 at 02:08, Michael Lake wrote: Hi all How do I get Mozilla to open PDF in its own window? At present when a PDF is sent to the browser it opens up xpdf by starting xpdf. I can see this is because I have the following preferences: MIME Type: application/pdf Open with xpdf But I can't see any setting that I can set to make it open in its own window and not spawn xpdf in a separate window. On Windows Mozilla starts up Acroread within its own Window. Can this be done with xpdf ? I believe this is done with a program called 'mozplugger'. RPM tells me you get it from http://mozplugger.mozdev.org HTH, James. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Getting Mozilla to open PDF in its own window
James Gregory wrote: On Mon, 2004-02-23 at 02:08, Michael Lake wrote: How do I get Mozilla to open PDF in its own window? Can this be done with xpdf ? I believe this is done with a program called 'mozplugger'. RPM tells me you get it from http://mozplugger.mozdev.org Perfect :-) thanks I went to the site and yes there is lots of rpms and debs for 386 and a tarball of source. But an 'apt-cache show mozplugger' showed it was avialable for my PPC. Installed it and it works. The only catch is that you have to remove (the man pages said remove) pluginreg.dat Instead I just renamed it and restarted mozilla and now xpdf fires uo from with the browser. I would never have found mozplugger. Ace :-) Mike -- Mike Lake Caver, Linux enthusiast and interested in anything technical. UTS CRICOS Provider Code: 00099F DISCLAIMER This email message and any accompanying attachments may contain confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, do not read, use, disseminate, distribute or copy this message or attachments. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this message. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, except where the sender expressly, and with authority, states them to be the views the University of Technology Sydney. Before opening any attachments, please check them for viruses and defects. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Mail relay/proxy for Fedora Core 1
To ask a silly question why not use say DNAT instead of a smtp proxy. On Mon, Feb 23, 2004 at 12:28:00PM +1100, Mike MacCana wrote: On Mon, 23 Feb 2004, Simon Wong wrote: Morning all! I currently have an RH9 machine that uses moxy (http://moxy.psychogenic.com/index.html) as a transparent SMTP mail relay/proxy. The project, however, appears to be quite dead. I am converting the machine over to Fedora and want something to do a similar job. Can anyone recommend something? I hear good things about Obtuse SMTPd. I've used Postfix in the past, but that's really overkill. Mike -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html signature.asc Description: Digital signature -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] OT - Phones In sydney
Completely off topic, but some of you are in a similar position to me. I have just ran out of ericsson phones we use with our PABX at work. Does any one know who I might talk to apart from ericsson to get some of these? I know they are much cheaper 2nd hand. BD -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Re: DSPAM vs SpamAssassin FYI
On Mon, Feb 23, 2004, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Feb 23, 2004 at 10:55:47AM +1100, Mary Gardiner wrote: Of course, with major email providers beginning to shift to blocking *all* list mail by default unless specifically whitelisted, the burden Is this happening now? Yes, some providers block all mail with any bulk or list headers in it (such as this very mail) by default and require that you either whitelist mailing lists or explicitly drop your spam protection to medium or some such thing. earthlink (I think?), the big US ISP, has such a policy. -Mary -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Mail relay/proxy for Fedora Core 1
On Mon, 2004-02-23 at 11:28, Mike MacCana wrote: I hear good things about Obtuse SMTPd. I've used Postfix in the past, but that's really overkill. Thanks. I'll have a look into them... -- Simon Wong [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] ADSL
I'd say try configuring the router for the login password, they give instructions for setting up one under Windows XP and from this it looks like the router does it all for you. In other words DONT SETUP PPPOE/PPPOA on linux, rather just set it to use DHCP and configure the router. Now configuring the router might be a pain, might have to use their Windows software for that but you might find a web browser works too. On Thu, 19 Feb 2004, Edward G. Howard wrote: Greetings, As founder of the AACC Australian Associated Computer Club Inc, in the Cebtral Coast (Gosford) I would appreciate if you would ask your members if there is any one using ethernet adsl with ozemail. One of our members is having difficulty in establishing the connection with tkpppoe. Using Mandrake 9.2 (release 2.4.22-10mdk) and KDE version 3.1.3 FYI when entering: pppoe-wrapper status ozemail we get: Link is down (can't read pppd PID file /var/run/adsl-ozemail.pid.pppd) Any assistance/suggetions will be greatly appreciated -- ---GRiP--- Electronic Hobbyist, Former Arcadia BBS nut, Occasional nudist, Linux Guru, SLUG/AUUG/Linux Australia member, Sydney Flashmobber, BMX rider, Walker, Raver rave music lover, Big kid that refuses to grow up. I'd make a good family pet, take me home today! Do people actually read these things? -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Interesting article ...
On Mon, Feb 23, 2004 at 01:32:04PM +1100, Jobst Schmalenbach wrote: http://inet2002.org/CD-ROM/lu65rw2n/papers/g10-c.pdf What's it about? It's polite to let people know what it's about, so that many hundreds of people don't waste their time looking at something that's of no interest to them. - Matt -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Interesting article ...
On Mon, Feb 23, 2004 at 02:43:57PM +1100, Matthew Palmer ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Mon, Feb 23, 2004 at 01:32:04PM +1100, Jobst Schmalenbach wrote: http://inet2002.org/CD-ROM/lu65rw2n/papers/g10-c.pdf What's it about? It's polite to let people know what it's about, so that many hundreds of people don't waste their time looking at something that's of no interest to them. Correct! I am sorry. Its about the Psychology of WHY people still click on virus/bad/worm based email. Jobst -- The email address in this email is used for Mailing Lists Only. Please reply ONLY to the list email address, do not reply to the email directly. My software never has bugs; it just develops random features. __, Jobst Schmalenbach, Technical Director _ _.--'-n_/ Barrett Consulting Group P/L The Meditation Room P/L -(_)--(_)= +61 3 9532 7677, POBox 277, Caulfield South, 3162, Australia -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Interesting article ...
quote who=Jobst Schmalenbach Its about the Psychology of WHY people still click on virus/bad/worm based email. Synopsis: Due to sharply falling demand since early last century, there is a crippling lack of medical practitioners trained in the specialist field of lobotomy. - Jeff -- GVADEC 2004: Kristiansand, Norwayhttp://2004.guadec.org/ But in the software world, that's daily business. - Kent Beck That's pissing money away and leaving scar tissue. - Alan Cooper -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Interesting article ...
On Mon, Feb 23, 2004 at 03:28:30PM +1100, Jeff Waugh ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: quote who=Jobst Schmalenbach Its about the Psychology of WHY people still click on virus/bad/worm based email. Synopsis: Due to sharply falling demand since early last century, there is a crippling lack of medical practitioners trained in the specialist field of lobotomy. It wasnt *THAT* bad or do I need to wake up? jobst -- The email address in this email is used for Mailing Lists Only. Please reply ONLY to the list email address, do not reply to the email directly. Share your knowledge. It's a way to achieve immortality. __, Jobst Schmalenbach, Technical Director _ _.--'-n_/ Barrett Consulting Group P/L The Meditation Room P/L -(_)--(_)= +61 3 9532 7677, POBox 277, Caulfield South, 3162, Australia -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Re: DSPAM vs SpamAssassin FYI
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As unfortunate as it is, I think the only way to combat spam is to make it expensive to send by default. Now that everyone talk about how much spam they have, I noticed that since I cleaned up my mailshell (mailshell.com) addresses a bit I haven't seen spam for a long while. The mailshell service allows me to send mails from any mailbox under @amos.mailshell.com. So, for instance, when I filed a Debian bug report I used [EMAIL PROTECTED] and when I startted getting ONLY spam on this address (which mailshell many times also detects, depends ony the settings I put on it) I just deleted the address. The reason I'm telling this is not to promote mailshell (the free service I use is no longer available for new customers) but because I saw many people who own their own domain and do the same. The bottom line is - with mailbox per addressee might be a good solution for spam (in addition to Baysian filters, of course). --Amos -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
RE: [SLUG] XDMCP, CYGWIN and Debian Linux
[Louis] is my replies ... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ken Foskey Sent: Sunday, 22 February 2004 20:44 To: slug Subject: Re: [SLUG] XDMCP, CYGWIN and Debian Linux On Sun, 2004-02-22 at 19:53, Louis wrote: X -query ip_address This is right... Assuming you can ping the ip address :-) I have debian and the gdm is set up for access. To prove what the problem is you might try and `telnet ipaddress 177. [Louis] Sorry. I presume u mean telnet from the Windows machine. Out of curiosity what is 777 for ? [Louis] Yes I can ping the Debian box from the Windows machine . check /etc/gdm/gdm.conf [xdcmp] Enable=true From memory I tried to configure it via gdm config and it did not work. [Louis] I actually manually edited gdm.conf, and set Enabled=true for xdcmp. I resetted the debian machine but CYGWIN on windows won't bring up the Debain GUI. I'll try the telnet ip_address_of_debian_box 177 from Windows machine . If it is a real problem I can forward my copy that works for a diff. [Louis] Send it anyway if possible. And see what I get. Thanks -- Thanks KenF OpenOffice.org developer -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Mail relay/proxy for Fedora Core 1
Mike MacCana wrote: I hear good things about Obtuse SMTPd. I've used Postfix in the past, but that's really overkill. I would have said postfix for mail proxying - the /etc/postfix/transport table is really quite flexible and easy to setup. simon, give postfix a go - I can post a sample transport/mail host setup if you like dave -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
