Re: [SLUG] Ubuntu issue.. (X windows)

2004-09-28 Thread Craige McWhirter
On Tue, 2004-09-28 at 15:33 +1000, Michael Fox wrote:
 Looks like my install has issues.. I am getting dep errors... think I
 will trash it and try it at home on my adsl link at some stage...

A reinstall ought not be necessary. try the following:

sudo apt-get update  sudo aptitude install '~tubuntu-desktop'

If you see those errors again then it is most likely
your /etc/apt/sources.list that has the problems. I can send you a copy
of a good one.

If you do go down the re-install route, install it all off CD then edit
the sources.list post-install to update or get additional packages.


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Re: [SLUG] ubuntu newness

2004-09-28 Thread David


On Tue, 28 Sep 2004, Jan Schmidt wrote:


  I'm also trying to set up GnomeMeeting, but even though I can induce
  feedback using alsamixer (implying that both speakers and mike are
  working), GnomeMeeting's test is implacably silent :( Ditto for
  GnomeMeeting's video.

 Did you hit the space bar when 'mic' was selected to turn on the 'capture'
 flag?

Hmm I was sure I did, but perhaps with all the fiddling around, I
didn't quite get the right combinations :(

Audio is now working, but video is not. I can get video from my webcam
using Camorama, so all is plugged in correctly. GnomeMeeting gives no
Video Plugin options, so presumably that's the problem, but what to do
about it?


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[SLUG] RFC for IP

2004-09-28 Thread Alexander Samad
Hi


Can any one tell me what the relevant RFC is to read in regards to IP
and tcp/udp!

Been looking at 791

Alex


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Re: [SLUG] RFC for IP

2004-09-28 Thread O Plameras
Alexander Samad wrote:
Hi
Can any one tell me what the relevant RFC is to read in regards to IP
and tcp/udp!
Been looking at 791
 


There are hundreds related to TCP/IP. Start with RFC 1180 (TCP/IP Tutorial).
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[SLUG] moving /usr partition

2004-09-28 Thread Rod Butcher
I need to move my /usr partition from one hd to another... any 
suggestions as to best practice here ?
thanks
Rod
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Re: [SLUG] RFC for IP

2004-09-28 Thread John McQuillen
On Tue, 2004-09-28 at 16:28 +1000, Alexander Samad wrote:
 Hi
 
 
 Can any one tell me what the relevant RFC is to read in regards to IP
 and tcp/udp!
 
 Been looking at 791
 

This page seems to be a good starting point as well as linking to the
relevant RFCs...

http://www.protocols.com/pbook/tcpip2.htm

Cheers,

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Re: [SLUG] moving /usr partition

2004-09-28 Thread Del
Rod Butcher wrote:
I need to move my /usr partition from one hd to another... any 
suggestions as to best practice here ?
I've found rsync to be pretty good for this.
Shut down to single user mode (telinit 1).
Unmount all partitions you aren't using (e.g. /home)
Make sure your filesystems are created OK, e.g:
mke2fs -j -L /usr /dev/newfs
Mount the new /usr filesystem
mkdir /mnt/newfs
mount /dev/newfs /mnt/newfs
rsync the files
cd /usr
rsync -a . /mnt/newfs
edit your /etc/fstab or relabel your old /usr
file system (or else you will have two filesystems
both labelled /usr), reboot, and you should be away.
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Re: [SLUG] ubuntu newness

2004-09-28 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=David

 Once installed it looks very pretty and slick, but during the install, all
 the packages downloaded from the net instead of from the CD. Did I do
 something wrong? I never found Debian hard to install before, so this is
 just slightly easier.

If you download the Preview CD, as opposed to a recent nightly CD, a huge
chunk of the packages would have been updated. Some definitely came from the
CD, but it still would have been a big download. :-)

 1: Windows. I had WinME and debian already installed. During the disk
 partition phase Ubuntu asked if I wanted to be able to boot from Windows,
 but after installation completed, grub wasn't reporting any options for
 Windows. I've not had to deal with this before, since both Woody and Sarge
 Just worked ;-) See point 6 below.

Intriguing, this should just work.

 2: Screensaver. When you (initially?) set the screensaver, you have to
 reboot the daemon, which is not explained. I figured it out by fiddling
 around.  Nit-picking? I don't think so because Ubuntu claims that
 everything will just work. All that's needed is an Apply button.

xscreensaver is an unfortunate exception to pretty much any GNOME rule you
could think of, though only some of the options require a daemon restart.

 3: Hot plugging cameras. My Nikon hot plugged beautifully, but as
 explained at the slug meeting, you can't upload anything from the inbuilt
 software because of a known bug. OTOH, I can use the camera as a
 removeable USB device and it works fine. I tried to umount it, but it was
 reported as in use.  No obvious processes using it, so i just switched
 it off. I still don't know why it appeared to be in use.

Unfortunately, the file monitor daemon (fam) that ships with WartyWarthog is
annoyingly broken in this respect. Because the device is mounted 'sync', you
can just pull it out, but the new file monitor daemon (and kernel features)
in HoaryHedgehog will solve this.

 4: Gnomemeeting. Page 7/9 of the configuration druid asks me to choose a
 video manager, and suggests video4linux. Video4Linux is not available in
 the drop down menu (in fact, nothing is!). There are some Video4Linux
 libraries installed by default, but I have no idea if these are what is
 required.  There is no obvious way to configure them into Gnomemeeting. I
 had a logitech webcam plugged in when booting, which appeared to be
 detected, and which works under windows. Right now I don't have
 GnomeMeeting working :(

Which model camera?

 5: Sound. Inserting my favourite Mahler CD automatically started up a CD
 player (good!), but no sound came out (bad!). Maybe Ubuntu doesn't like
 Mahler. Now I have to get Grub to notice Windows to make sure it's not a
 hardware fault. Damn it.

I hate this problem. So, modern computers don't have an audio cable running
from the CD drive to the sound card. They actually have to digitally 'rip'
the audio off the disc to play it, *exactly* the same way an mp3/ogg ripper
would do. It's infuriating. But - it will be sorted in the next release. :)

 6: Grub. A little digging revealed a hidden-menu option for grub, which
 for some bizarre reason had been set. Hold down ESC while grub loads and
 voila! but since I obviously want to be able to boot Windows, this is a
 failure of the just works  principle.

Agree, if you've got more than just Windows, it should probably not do that.
I'll confer with Colin, our installer guy. ;-)

 9: Application Menu. Hmm.. well, maybe it's me, but... . I wanted to add
 an application to the menu.. which I haven't done before because I have
 never used Gnome. The help menu has no search function! Eventually I
 figured out how to add a program to the menu, but it's counter-intuitive
 and complicated.

Indeed. Not something GNOME has attempted to fix, because it's horribly ugly
code down there. I believe this will be sorted in GNOME 2.10 (and thus our
next release).

 10: File Manager. Perhaps a small point, but confusing. The on-line docs
 for Gnome refer extensively to file manager, but nowhere in the Ubuntu
 desktop menus is anything that says file manager. Now that I know what
 they mean it's blindingly obvious, but it took quit a while to figure
 it out. Is this because I'm a mac user?

:-)

 It's a promising start, but not as good as OS X, especially for a
 non-geek.

Patience.

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Re: [SLUG] ubuntu newness

2004-09-28 Thread David


On Mon, 27 Sep 2004 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 David wrote:

 If someone can help me with Video4Linux/GnomeMeeting and the sound issue,
 I would appreciate it.
 
 
 Thanks very much for the report.

 I can't help you with the sound but about the camera - I had it working
 well after
 installing debian's qc-usb-source and qc-usb-utils modules and compiling
 the module.

It's turned out that the bug is known and relates to GnomeMeeting. The
fix has made things worse :( but I'm sure it will get sorted. The camera
is a logitech webcam and works fine in other apps.



 What kind of sound hardware do you have there? The alsa-users mailing
 list was extremly
 responsive and helpful when I tried to make ALSA work for me. You might
 want to try
 there (and dig the alsa-project.org web site).

The card is a Maestro3. It was turned off by default (!) although the
desktop icon showed sound levels at maximum. Right click on the icon and
play with mixers got it all working. Nothing serious, but definitely
annoying.
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[SLUG] tar problem

2004-09-28 Thread Luke (Terry) Vanderfluit
Hi,

I have a slight tar problem (no I haven't been smoking!)

I have a tar file foo.tar
when I extract it, it has the the following error messages

tar xvf foo.tar
~
../
tar: ../: Member name contains `..'
../tmp/
tar: ../tmp/: Member name contains `..'
../tmp/foo.tar.gz
tar: ../tmp/foo.tar.gz: Member name contains `..'
../237_autumn03_outline.doc
tar: ../237_autumn03_outline.doc: Member name contains `..'
../assTemplate.doc
tar: ../assTemplate.doc: Member name contains `..'
../bibRefEd7.doc
tar: ../bibRefEd7.doc: Member name contains `..'
../completedModules/
tar: ../completedModules/: Member name contains `..'
../completedModules/itc129/
tar: ../completedModules/itc129/: Member name contains `..'
../completedModules/itc129/assignments/
tar: ../completedModules/itc129/assignments/: Member name contains `..'
../completedModules/itc129/assignments/ass1/
tar: ../completedModules/itc129/assignments/ass1/: Member name contains
`..'
../completedModules/itc129/assignments/ass1/ass1.doc

~
apparently I have tarred it up using the parent directory. I can't
remember doing that.
The first few lines are also curious.
the file foo.tar.gz lives in the 'tmp' directory, where I've made a copy
of it to *play* with. It's in the tmp directory that I have carr

is there any way I can retrieve these files?
currently there is no output.
somehow I need to trick tar into thinking that everything should go into
the current directory,

any ideas?

thanks,
Luke

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Re: [SLUG] tar problem correction

2004-09-28 Thread Luke (Terry) Vanderfluit
On Tue, 2004-09-28 at 23:12, Luke (Terry) Vanderfluit wrote:
 Hi,
 
 I have a slight tar problem (no I haven't been smoking!)
 
 I have a tar file foo.tar
 when I extract it, it has the the following error messages
 
 tar xvf foo.tar
 ~
 ../
 tar: ../: Member name contains `..'
 ../tmp/
 tar: ../tmp/: Member name contains `..'
 ../tmp/foo.tar.gz
 tar: ../tmp/foo.tar.gz: Member name contains `..'
 ../237_autumn03_outline.doc
 tar: ../237_autumn03_outline.doc: Member name contains `..'
 ../assTemplate.doc
 tar: ../assTemplate.doc: Member name contains `..'
 ../bibRefEd7.doc
 tar: ../bibRefEd7.doc: Member name contains `..'
 ../completedModules/
 tar: ../completedModules/: Member name contains `..'
 ../completedModules/itc129/
 tar: ../completedModules/itc129/: Member name contains `..'
 ../completedModules/itc129/assignments/
 tar: ../completedModules/itc129/assignments/: Member name contains
 `..'
 ../completedModules/itc129/assignments/ass1/
 tar: ../completedModules/itc129/assignments/ass1/: Member name
 contains
 `..'
 ../completedModules/itc129/assignments/ass1/ass1.doc
 
 ~
 apparently I have tarred it up using the parent directory. I can't
 remember doing that.
 The first few lines are also curious.
 the file foo.tar.gz lives in the 'tmp' directory, where I've made a
 copy
 of it to *play* with. It's in the tmp directory that I have carried
 out the command.
 
 is there any way I can retrieve these files?
 currently there is no output.
 somehow I need to trick tar into thinking that everything should go
 into
 the current directory,
 
 any ideas?
 
 thanks,
 Luke
 
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Re: [SLUG] ADSL and DNS

2004-09-28 Thread Karl Bowden
Michael Fox wrote:
On Tue, 28 Sep 2004 14:29:04 +1000, Ben Donohue [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 

Hi Michael,
Thanks for the quick reply.
The ADSL modem is a modem router. It has a USB and four ethernet ports.
My Linux firewall is connected to it via an ethernet cable and is on
eth0. hence the 10.x range. Are you saying I've got to configure the
ADSL modem router to be a dumb device and so it has to pass the public
IP to the USB? interface on the Linux box? (if so i'll have to figure
out how the make the ADSL modem do it... any clues here???)
   

You need to tell your ADSL router to port forward the service you want
through (and where to).
ie. I run a webserver on the linux firewall and its ip is 10.0.0.8
I'd then tell my ADSL router in its port forwarding rules to allow TCP
80 through, and send itr to 10.0.0.8
That way when someone externally accesses our public ip on port 80 TCP
it passes through the router as per the port forwarding rules.
You could do this for DNS the same way.
Thanks
 

Also make sure for DNS you forward both TCP and UDP port 53. This cought 
me the first time.

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Re: [SLUG] tar problem

2004-09-28 Thread Michael Fox
On Tue, 28 Sep 2004 23:12:38 +0930, Luke (Terry) Vanderfluit
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi,
 
 I have a slight tar problem (no I haven't been smoking!)
 
 I have a tar file foo.tar
 when I extract it, it has the the following error messages
 
 tar xvf foo.tar

Have you tried;

tar xvf foo.tar .

Not sure if it will work.. but soon find out :)
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[SLUG] .pub files on linux

2004-09-28 Thread Chris Henman
Can anyone suggest an application for viewing .pub files; apart from 
M$ Publisher?

I have tried Open Office 1.1.1 but nothing seems apprporiate.
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[SLUG] Taking the Ubuntu Plunge ...

2004-09-28 Thread Jason Rennie
Hi all,

For those of you who have tried Ubuntu (or Jeff and the other
developers) I have a couple of quick questions before I install it on
some of my machines.

1. What is the hardware support like in it, and is it possible to get
the 2.6 series kernel installed ? I ask principally because the AGP
driver I need is only available in the 2.6 kernel AFAIK.

2. What is it like for recompiling kernels for specific drivers ? I
have a similar problem to the above with a DVB card that has working
drivers, but the drivers are a kernel patch at the moment.

3. Does it have nice easy support for setting up things like NFS and Samba ?

4. Do you have to fight with the system to install hand rolled
software and the like ? It seems like you might based on the demo Jeff
gave, but maybe not.

Anyway, thanks for taking the time to read this. I'm keen to give ubuntu a go.

Jason
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Re: [SLUG] Taking the Ubuntu Plunge ...

2004-09-28 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=Jason Rennie

 1. What is the hardware support like in it, and is it possible to get the
 2.6 series kernel installed ? I ask principally because the AGP driver I
 need is only available in the 2.6 kernel AFAIK.

2.6 by default (and we only support a 2.4 kernel for specific server
requirements). The hardware support and detection is really good.

 2. What is it like for recompiling kernels for specific drivers ? I have a
 similar problem to the above with a DVB card that has working drivers, but
 the drivers are a kernel patch at the moment.

You should be able to install the kernel headers package and go.

 3. Does it have nice easy support for setting up things like NFS and Samba ?

Not for serving, yet.

 4. Do you have to fight with the system to install hand rolled software
 and the like ? It seems like you might based on the demo Jeff gave, but
 maybe not.

Two answers: a) you should never have to hand roll stuff (this is Debian),
and b) use GNU stow if you ever have to do it (makes life easier on any
system).

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Re: [SLUG] Taking the Ubuntu Plunge ...

2004-09-28 Thread Joshua Bassett
Hi Jason,

I took the plunge with Ubuntu myself last night on an old Dell C600
Laptop. All I had to do was insert the CD, choose a few options, type
a couple of things, hit enter a couple of times, and 30mins later I
was running a bleeding edge distro, 2.6 kernel, Gnome 2.8, etc, etc.

I had to install samba (client tools were installed by default, but
not the server) to browse my shares (on a Debian box) using Nautilus.
The Network Configuration utility is sweet, makes it very easy to
configure your eth/samba/dns without getting your hands dirty.

I haven't compiled a kernel on Ubuntu yet, but considering it's
essentially Debian I don't see why it would be a problem. Also, I
don't see why you'd have any problems rolling your own software.

Anyhow, I definitely recommend installing Ubuntu (it's much nicer than
running Debian - Sid) and based on what I've seen I'm looking forward
to the future releases (eg. X.org 6.8).

nullobject


On Wed, 29 Sep 2004 08:16:23 +1000, Jason Rennie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi all,
 
 For those of you who have tried Ubuntu (or Jeff and the other
 developers) I have a couple of quick questions before I install it on
 some of my machines.
 
 1. What is the hardware support like in it, and is it possible to get
 the 2.6 series kernel installed ? I ask principally because the AGP
 driver I need is only available in the 2.6 kernel AFAIK.
 
 2. What is it like for recompiling kernels for specific drivers ? I
 have a similar problem to the above with a DVB card that has working
 drivers, but the drivers are a kernel patch at the moment.
 
 3. Does it have nice easy support for setting up things like NFS and Samba ?
 
 4. Do you have to fight with the system to install hand rolled
 software and the like ? It seems like you might based on the demo Jeff
 gave, but maybe not.
 
 Anyway, thanks for taking the time to read this. I'm keen to give ubuntu a go.
 
 Jason
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Re: [SLUG] .pub files on linux

2004-09-28 Thread Richard Hayes
On Tue, 28 Sep 2004 05:41 pm, Chris Henman wrote:
 Can anyone suggest an application for viewing .pub files; apart from
 M$ Publisher?

 I have tried Open Office 1.1.1 but nothing seems apprporiate.

To the best of my knowledge there is nothing that can read .pub format.
Strings will may get you the text but not the formatting
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Re: [SLUG] Taking the Ubuntu Plunge ...

2004-09-28 Thread Jason Rennie
 2.6 by default (and we only support a 2.4 kernel for specific server
 requirements). The hardware support and detection is really good.
Thats good. In fact that is perfect :D

  3. Does it have nice easy support for setting up things like NFS and Samba ?
 
 Not for serving, yet.

But i'm guessing it is no harder than installing the appropriate
package and tehn setting up an exports file right ?

 Two answers: a) you should never have to hand roll stuff (this is Debian),
 and b) use GNU stow if you ever have to do it (makes life easier on any
 system).
I might have to hand roll stuff if I want mythtv to work. 

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Re: [SLUG] Taking the Ubuntu Plunge ...

2004-09-28 Thread Michael Fox
On Wed, 29 Sep 2004 08:51:23 +1000, Jason Rennie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I might have to hand roll stuff if I want mythtv to work.
 

It would be nice to see some mythtv packages created. Although I am
guessing these will come along with the other software still to merge
into the archive.

Aside from my problems yesterday, I must say kudos to the developers.
Ubuntu is nice.

The way I'd describe it... it reminds me of a fedora out of the box
install (ie. nice polished X windows) except with deb backend. (rather
then rpm based)
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Re: [SLUG] Taking the Ubuntu Plunge ...

2004-09-28 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=Joshua Bassett

 I had to install samba (client tools were installed by default, but not
 the server) to browse my shares (on a Debian box) using Nautilus.

You shouldn't have to install samba to browse shares in Nautilus, it uses
libsmbclient.

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Re: [SLUG] Taking the Ubuntu Plunge ...

2004-09-28 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=Jason Rennie

   3. Does it have nice easy support for setting up things like NFS and
   Samba ?
  
  Not for serving, yet.
 
 But i'm guessing it is no harder than installing the appropriate package
 and tehn setting up an exports file right ?

Yep, and all the required packages are supported.

  Two answers: a) you should never have to hand roll stuff (this is
  Debian), and b) use GNU stow if you ever have to do it (makes life
  easier on any system).
 
 I might have to hand roll stuff if I want mythtv to work. 

As it happens, one of the mythtv developers is on the team, and would be
very happy to accept universe updates for the mythtv software.

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Re: [SLUG] Taking the Ubuntu Plunge ...

2004-09-28 Thread Joshua Bassett
On Wed, 29 Sep 2004 08:55:30 +1000, Jeff Waugh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 You shouldn't have to install samba to browse shares in Nautilus, it uses
 libsmbclient.

That's what I thought, but Nautilus was just sitting there doing
nothing when I tried to browse the network. After I installed samba it
started working straight away...hmm, is it just that it took some time
for smbclient to find the shares?

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Re: [SLUG] Taking the Ubuntu Plunge ...

2004-09-28 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=Joshua Bassett

  You shouldn't have to install samba to browse shares in Nautilus, it
  uses libsmbclient.
 
 That's what I thought, but Nautilus was just sitting there doing nothing
 when I tried to browse the network. After I installed samba it started
 working straight away...hmm, is it just that it took some time for
 smbclient to find the shares?

Ah, it might be to do with workgroup configuration. Try removing samba with
'apt-get remove --purge samba samba-common' and adding the following to your
home directory:

  ~/.smb/smb.conf
  WORKGROUP = workgroup

(You could also just copy your smb.conf file from /etc/samba before you
purge it, too.)

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Re: [SLUG] Taking the Ubuntu Plunge ...

2004-09-28 Thread Simon Wong
On Wed, 2004-09-29 at 09:18, Jeff Waugh wrote:
 Ah, it might be to do with workgroup configuration. Try removing samba with
 'apt-get remove --purge samba samba-common' and adding the following to your
 home directory:
 
   ~/.smb/smb.conf
   WORKGROUP = workgroup

Interesting!  Didn't know that was there.

How does it handle authentication.  I think it asked me once.

Can the auth details be cleared out somewhere?

P.S. When will CD's be sent?  Should I download the current pre-release
rather than waiting (patiently)!



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Re: [SLUG] Taking the Ubuntu Plunge ...

2004-09-28 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=Simon Wong

 How does it handle authentication.  I think it asked me once.

Nautilus/gnome-vfs use gnome-keyring to ask for auth details.

 Can the auth details be cleared out somewhere?

The keyrings are stored in ~/.gnome2/keyrings/ but there is no keyring
manager shipping with GNOME yet. There is a gnome-keyring-manager app
though, which just needs some UI love before it's added.

 P.S. When will CD's be sent?  Should I download the current pre-release
 rather than waiting (patiently)!

End of October, after the Final release. We've just put out a Sounder 9 CD,
so you could grab that, or just grab the dailies.

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Re: [SLUG] Taking the Ubuntu Plunge ...

2004-09-28 Thread Joshua Bassett
On Wed, 29 Sep 2004 09:37:28 +1000, Jeff Waugh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 linux.conf.au 2005: Canberra, Australiahttp://linux.conf.au/

I think it's:

http://conf.linux.org.au/
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linux.conf.au [Was: [SLUG] Taking the Ubuntu Plunge ...]

2004-09-28 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=Joshua Bassett

 On Wed, 29 Sep 2004 09:37:28 +1000, Jeff Waugh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  linux.conf.au 2005: Canberra, Australiahttp://linux.conf.au/
 
 I think it's:
 
 http://conf.linux.org.au/

No way man, it's totally linux.conf.au. That's why the conference is called
linux.conf.au. It would be a totally crap conference if it were called
conf.linux.org.au. That'd be CLOA instead of LCA. That would SUCK ARSE.

(What I'm trying to say is - there's a DNS issue somewhere in there atm.)

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Re: linux.conf.au [Was: [SLUG] Taking the Ubuntu Plunge ...]

2004-09-28 Thread Joshua Bassett
On Wed, 29 Sep 2004 09:45:17 +1000, Jeff Waugh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 

 (What I'm trying to say is - there's a DNS issue somewhere in there atm.)

That's all I meant...
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Re: [SLUG] tar problem

2004-09-28 Thread Peter Chubb
 Luke == Luke Vanderfluit Luke writes:

Luke Hi, I have a slight tar problem (no I haven't been smoking!)

Luke I have a tar file foo.tar when I extract it, it has the the
Luke following error messages

pax -r -s '/^\.\././'  foo.tar

Tar can't fix this one;  pax can.

(You may need to install pax -- it's the POSIX answer to create peace
after the tar vs cpio wars, and can read and write both formats)

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Re: linux.conf.au [Was: [SLUG] Taking the Ubuntu Plunge ...]

2004-09-28 Thread Terry Collins
Jeff Waugh wrote:
 
 No way man, it's totally linux.conf.au. That's why the conference is called
 linux.conf.au. It would be a totally crap conference if it were called
 conf.linux.org.au. That'd be CLOA instead of LCA. That would SUCK ARSE.

Like as in cloaca (or a bird's arse) {:-)


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Re: [SLUG] .pub files on linux

2004-09-28 Thread Howard Lowndes
On Wed, 2004-09-29 at 22:55, Richard Hayes wrote:
 On Tue, 28 Sep 2004 05:41 pm, Chris Henman wrote:
  Can anyone suggest an application for viewing .pub files; apart from
  M$ Publisher?
 
  I have tried Open Office 1.1.1 but nothing seems apprporiate.
 
 To the best of my knowledge there is nothing that can read .pub format.
 Strings will may get you the text but not the formatting

It's a classic case of vendor lockin, and most of their own other
product won't handle it either.

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Re: linux.conf.au [Was: [SLUG] Taking the Ubuntu Plunge ...]

2004-09-28 Thread Jason Rennie
 Like as in cloaca (or a bird's arse) {:-)

Thats still got to be better than the Commitee for the Liberation and
Intergration of Terrofying Organisms and there Rehabilitation Into
Socitey.

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[SLUG] Linux wuz 'ere??

2004-09-28 Thread Howard Lowndes
http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200409/s1209349.htm

Hackers attack Al Qaeda-linked websites

Hackers have attacked a website of an Al Qaeda-linked group, that
beheaded two US hostages in Iraq, re-routing visitors to a page showing
a penguin toting a machine gun and warning against hosting such sites. 

The site of the Tawhid and Jihad Group of Al Qaeda ally Abu Musab
al-Zarqawi, set up on a site providing free web hosting, last week
carried a tape of British hostage Kenneth Bigley appealing for his life
as well as videos of the decapitation of the two US hostages.

Host them and your next! was the message left on the site by the
hackers, calling themselves TeAmZ USA, who have already attacked several
Islamist and pro-Al Qaeda websites.

Zarqawi's group has threatened to kill Bigley next if women prisoners in
Iraq are not released, but has not set a deadline.

Al Qaeda and other militant groups have widely used the Internet to
spread their message, often using sites providing free web hosting and
frequently moving after their sites have been taken down. 

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Re: [SLUG] .pub files on linux

2004-09-28 Thread Ken Foskey
On Wed, 2004-09-29 at 11:52, Howard Lowndes wrote:


 It's a classic case of vendor lockin, and most of their own other
 product won't handle it either.

There has not been sufficient demand for it.  I have seen only a handful
of enquiries about .pub format @ OOo.

Can you save in Word format from publisher then import that.

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Re: [SLUG] .pub files on linux

2004-09-28 Thread Dean Hamstead
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it would be nice for oo to have a desktop publishing application
i dont know of any opensource app that would be comparable
to publisher or the adobe offerings.
flame away id be happy to see one
one could run publisher in wine?
Dean
Ken Foskey wrote:
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|It's a classic case of vendor lockin, and most of their own other
|product won't handle it either.
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| of enquiries about .pub format @ OOo.
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| Can you save in Word format from publisher then import that.
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Re: [SLUG] .pub files on linux

2004-09-28 Thread Ken Foskey
On Wed, 2004-09-29 at 14:29, Dean Hamstead wrote:
 -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-

 it would be nice for oo to have a desktop publishing application

Obligatory answer,  OpenOffice.org is great.

What about scribus?

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Re: linux.conf.au [Was: [SLUG] Taking the Ubuntu Plunge ...]

2004-09-28 Thread Glen Turner
On Wed, 2004-09-29 at 09:15, Jeff Waugh wrote:

  http://conf.linux.org.au/
 
 No way man, it's totally linux.conf.au. That's why the conference is called
 linux.conf.au. It would be a totally crap conference if it were called
 conf.linux.org.au. That'd be CLOA instead of LCA.

The linux.conf.au domain has expired (as .conf.au domains, being
temporary, must). We're get a renewal waiting in Robert Elz's Inbox.

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