[SLUG] Summary was: [sydpug] Reminder: Meeting November 9th at James Squire Brew House

[Anand Kumria]

Hmm, I had this sitting in my draft folder for a while week.

Anyway:

- Gavin gave us a presentation on Point-In-Time-Recovery (PITR).

If you are a Postgres DBA this talk was geared towards you. Ever
had someone 'inadvertedly' drop some critical table? Ever had a
database too large and/or critical to quiece in order to backup?

Gavin went through the pros and cons and explanied show of the
design decisions behind the code and some of its problems.

- Tim (Allen) explained how postgres is being used at Proximity

Tim gave us a brief overview of Proximity -- basically if you
watch TV then some of their software is being used for that --
and explained how postgres fits into their media management
interfaces

Afterwards the talk groups discussed creating dynamic schema tables
and ensuring that postgres testing is of a consistently
high-quality.

Some discussion about next month's sydpug took place (talk or
party?) without resolution.

Regards,
Anand

On Mon, Nov 08, 2004 at 11:44:25PM +1100, Gavin Sherry wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> Just a reminder that this month's postponed meeting will kick off tomorrow
> Tuesday the 9th at 6:30 at the James Squire Brew House.
> 
> 
> 
> I will talk on Point in Time Recovery, Neil will have something new and
> interesting to look at and Tim Allen has offered to provide a case study
> of his company's use of PostgreSQL in their media asset management
> application.
> 
> Be sure to invite friends, colleagues and your MySQL or Oracle loving
> boss ;-)
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Gavin
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Re: [SLUG] Firefox Download Server Overload ?

[john gibbons]

Yes, but with Windows XP. I have a Fedora/XP dual setup. I complained to 
Optusnet cable about it this morning and they told me it was the problem 
of the programme and they could not help. I am on broadband but was 
downloading only about 14kb/sec. I reluctantly switched back to Explorer 
and it jumped close to 500kb/sec on a test run.

John.
O Plameras wrote:
Just checking if anyone else is experiencing
tremendously slow download for Firefox Browser
from http://www.mozilla.org ?
It is maybe due to a number of articles about Firefox
in a number of US online daily news provider today,
like this one:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A47146-2004Nov13.html
I am used to 52KB/sec download but since early this
morning am getting only 13KB/sec.



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[SLUG] Debian SIG Meeting: November

[Craige McWhirter]

When:
Wednesday, November 17, 7:00pm - 8:00pm

Where:
James Squire Brewery

Robert Collins will be giving a talk on Bazaar, a project creating a
user friendly interface for GNU Arch using the tla codebase. A review of
what makes Arch great, and how to get access to that using bazaar. 

Along with the usual free-form discussions / debates that will precede
and follow his talk, food, drink and internet access are available and
people generally start wandering in from 18:30 for a good 'ol chin wag.

Head here: http://debian.slug.org.au/ for more details, links to maps
and other goodies.

In other DebSIG news, the December meeting will be a dinner, most
probably at a great Turkish restaurant in Newtown on a Friday or
Saturday night. Also, as I anticipate not being in this country for
whole swags of next year, DebSIG will need a caretaker to make sure the
wheels keep turning, it's not a lot of work and I can get most of the
year organised before I go.

I'm interested in feedback to both these items, so drop me a line :)

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Re: [SLUG] Mandrake non-usb scanner permissions woes

[Brett Fenton]

the scanner will be in /dev however by the interface the device is connected 
across. if it's on a parallel port it'll be /dev/lp0 or ./lp1 etc. 

you can create a scanner group, modify permissions/group on the device, and 
add the users you want to the group and you should be able to scan ok. 

regards, brett

On Tuesday 16 November 2004 09:30, William Chivers wrote:
> Hello all,
>
> I hope that this email is the appropriate way to add a question to the
> discussion. If not, apologies for the unsolicited email.
>
> Has anyone managed to get a parallel port scanner (CanoScan N 340P)
> working with Mandrake 10.0? I used the Mandrake configuration tool to
> setup the scanner - it had the scanner model in its list - and according
> to the setup tool all went well. However, noone but the root user can
> use the scanner - no other user has the appropriate permissions. The
> scanner works well for the root user, by the way.
>
> Searching for this problem in Slug and elsewhere locates plenty of
> information about this problem and USB scanners, but nothing for
> parallel scanners.
>
> Should I locate the offending file and change its permissions? If so,
> what is the file? Searching file:/ for "scanner" did not find anything
> relevant. There is no scanner entry in /dev. Or should I somehow add
> users to the scaner group or vice-versa?
>
> I had this problem with Mandrake 9.1 and 9.2 and just ran the scanner as
> root, thinking that Mandrake might eventually sort this out...
>
> Thanks,
> Bill Chivers
>
> -
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> Lecturer in Information Technology
> School of DCIT
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> University of Newcastle---Ourimbah Campus
> PO Box 127, Ourimbah, NSW 2259
> Australia
>
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Re: [SLUG] Mandrake non-usb scanner permissions woes

[James Gregory]

On Tue, Nov 16, 2004 at 09:30:46AM +1100, William Chivers wrote:
> Searching for this problem in Slug and elsewhere locates plenty of
> information about this problem and USB scanners, but nothing for
> parallel scanners.

IIRC there's also some library thing that does this and doesn't need a
specific /dev entry at all. Someone else will probably know more about
it than I do though.

> Should I locate the offending file and change its permissions? If so,
> what is the file? Searching file:/ for "scanner" did not find anything
> relevant. There is no scanner entry in /dev. Or should I somehow add
> users to the scaner group or vice-versa?

I suspect the answer is to alter the pam_console config to change these
permissions for you when you login. Take a look at
/etc/security/console.perms. The format is relatively clear. I couldn't
tell you what the name of the device is though; I've never used a
parallel port scanner.

> 
> I had this problem with Mandrake 9.1 and 9.2 and just ran the scanner as
> root, thinking that Mandrake might eventually sort this out...

I suspect it's a pretty uncommon configuration these days; it probably
doesn't get much testing. It might be worth your while to file a bug
about it.

HTH,

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[SLUG] Mandrake non-usb scanner permissions woes

[William Chivers]

Hello all,

I hope that this email is the appropriate way to add a question to the
discussion. If not, apologies for the unsolicited email.

Has anyone managed to get a parallel port scanner (CanoScan N 340P)
working with Mandrake 10.0? I used the Mandrake configuration tool to
setup the scanner - it had the scanner model in its list - and according
to the setup tool all went well. However, noone but the root user can
use the scanner - no other user has the appropriate permissions. The
scanner works well for the root user, by the way.

Searching for this problem in Slug and elsewhere locates plenty of
information about this problem and USB scanners, but nothing for
parallel scanners.

Should I locate the offending file and change its permissions? If so,
what is the file? Searching file:/ for "scanner" did not find anything
relevant. There is no scanner entry in /dev. Or should I somehow add
users to the scaner group or vice-versa?

I had this problem with Mandrake 9.1 and 9.2 and just ran the scanner as
root, thinking that Mandrake might eventually sort this out...

Thanks,
Bill Chivers

-
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Lecturer in Information Technology
School of DCIT
Faculty of Science and Information Technology
University of Newcastle---Ourimbah Campus
PO Box 127, Ourimbah, NSW 2259
Australia

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Re: [SLUG] Nautilus without GNOME

[Peter Rundle]

Jeff Waugh wrote:
Does 'nautilus --no-desktop --browser' work? Perhaps that's only in 2.8.
YES! :-)
Thanks
P.
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Re: [SLUG] group membership

[Phil Scarratt]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Tue, Nov 16, 2004 at 12:26:54PM +1100, James Gregory wrote:
[ groups of groups
Is it possible to do it with LDAP as your user database? 

I thought of LDAP too, and think it could do it for the 
reasons you mention, but I know SFA about LDAP.

Matt
That's true...didn't think of LDAP. I might pass that suggestion on. 
There's a chance it might be able to do itit's certainly worth 
investigating

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Re: [SLUG] group membership

[mlh]

On Tue, Nov 16, 2004 at 12:26:54PM +1100, James Gregory wrote:
> [ groups of groups
> 
> Is it possible to do it with LDAP as your user database? 

I thought of LDAP too, and think it could do it for the 
reasons you mention, but I know SFA about LDAP.

Matt
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Re: [SLUG] group membership

[James Gregory]

On Tue, Nov 16, 2004 at 11:58:24AM +1100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 16, 2004 at 10:21:00AM +1100, Phil Scarratt wrote:
> > [ .. ] it wasn't as simple to answer as I thought. The question: can a 
> > group be 
> > listed as a member of another group? 
> 
> No they can't (you're right)
> 
> It's one thing that w__ has over linux/unix.
> That said, there are number of ways to get the 
> effect that you want -- depending on exactly you
> want.
> 
> Restrictive parent dir perms, ACLs ...

Is it possible to do it with LDAP as your user database? My recollection
is that the various modules that make the pwent stuff work with LDAP
allow you to specify arbitrary database queries to determine the answer
to questions like "am I in this group?". Is it possible to mangle those
queries to an extent that multiple levels of grouping could be
encapsulated in LDAP group objects and through judicious use of magic it
could be made to operate as if the single group relationship was
multi-layered?

Not perfect by any means, but it'd probably be passable for file
permissions and similar.

James.

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Re: [SLUG] group membership

[Phil Scarratt]

Stuart Cooper wrote:
Just got a question from a friend who is dabbling in
linux and was about 
to shoot off an answer but thought I'd verify my
answer first. Turns out 
it wasn't as simple to answer as I thought. The
question: can a group be 
listed as a member of another group? 

A group cannot be part of another group. You have to 
list usernames in all the appropriate groups they
want to belong in.

You might be able to do some fancy stuff in
Access Control Lists (ACLs) if you want some
groups within groups style behaviour.
Have fun,
Stuart.
Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies.
http://au.movies.yahoo.com
Thanks all for the responses. It's as I thought. Incidentally I don't 
think it's a big deal not being able to do so.

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Re: [SLUG] group membership

[Stuart Cooper]

> Just got a question from a friend who is dabbling in
> linux and was about 
> to shoot off an answer but thought I'd verify my
> answer first. Turns out 
> it wasn't as simple to answer as I thought. The
> question: can a group be 
> listed as a member of another group? 

A group cannot be part of another group. You have to 
list usernames in all the appropriate groups they
want to belong in.

You might be able to do some fancy stuff in
Access Control Lists (ACLs) if you want some
groups within groups style behaviour.

Have fun,
Stuart.

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Re: [SLUG] group membership

[mlh]

On Tue, Nov 16, 2004 at 10:21:00AM +1100, Phil Scarratt wrote:
> [ .. ] it wasn't as simple to answer as I thought. The question: can a group 
> be 
> listed as a member of another group? 

No they can't (you're right)

It's one thing that w__ has over linux/unix.
That said, there are number of ways to get the 
effect that you want -- depending on exactly you
want.

Restrictive parent dir perms, ACLs ...


Matt
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Re: [SLUG] Firefox Download Server Overload ?

[Brad Kowalczyk]

DaZZa wrote:
On Tue, 16 Nov 2004, O Plameras wrote:
 

Just checking if anyone else is experiencing
tremendously slow download for Firefox Browser
from http://www.mozilla.org ?
It is maybe due to a number of articles about Firefox
in a number of US online daily news provider today,
like this one:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A47146-2004Nov13.html
I am used to 52KB/sec download but since early this
morning am getting only 13KB/sec.
   

Think yourself lucky - last week when they released V 1.0 I got something
like 7KB/sec.
 

7KB/sec! WOW! thats like 2-3x what i deal with everyday :(
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Re: [SLUG] Nautilus without GNOME

[Jeff Waugh]

> I'm running enlightenment and fired up nautilus with the --no-desktop
> option. It runs but there is no left hand pane and there is also no
> tools/menus across the top except for the bare bones file, edit, view menu
> bar. I can't seem to find any options that will return/re-enable the rest
> of the menu system.

Does 'nautilus --no-desktop --browser' work? Perhaps that's only in 2.8.

- Jeff

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[SLUG] Nautilus without GNOME

[Peter Rundle]

Sluggers,
I'm running enlightenment and fired up nautilus with the --no-desktop 
option. It runs but there is no left hand pane and there is also no 
tools/menus across the top except for the bare bones file, edit, view 
menu bar. I can't seem to find any options that will return/re-enable 
the rest of the menu system.

If I log out of enlightenment and fire up a GNOME session, the left pane 
and tool menus appear.

Does anyone know if nautilus without gnome is viable?
or is there a new "feature"
 if (window.manager == enlightenment) menus=false;
;-)
Oh, that'd be Fedora core 2, nautilus-2.6.0-4
TIA's
P.
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[SLUG] group membership

[Phil Scarratt]

Hey
Just got a question from a friend who is dabbling in linux and was about 
to shoot off an answer but thought I'd verify my answer first. Turns out 
it wasn't as simple to answer as I thought. The question: can a group be 
listed as a member of another group? man pages offer no definitive 
answer, neither does google (probably the search term rather than google 
though), and I see no way of adding a group as a member of a group 
beyond editing the group/gshadow file. I'm saying no, but thought I'd 
check here first.

Fil
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Re: [SLUG] Firefox Download Server Overload ?

[DaZZa]

On Tue, 16 Nov 2004, David Kempe wrote:

> should be able to get more speed from here:
> ftp://mirror.pacific.net.au/mozilla/firefox/releases/1.0/

I don't need it anymore. :)

DaZZa - already running Firefox 1.0

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Re: [SLUG] Firefox Download Server Overload ?

[David Kempe]

should be able to get more speed from here:
ftp://mirror.pacific.net.au/mozilla/firefox/releases/1.0/
dave
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Re: [SLUG] Firefox Download Server Overload ?

[DaZZa]

On Tue, 16 Nov 2004, O Plameras wrote:

> Just checking if anyone else is experiencing
> tremendously slow download for Firefox Browser
> from http://www.mozilla.org ?
>
> It is maybe due to a number of articles about Firefox
> in a number of US online daily news provider today,
> like this one:
>
> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A47146-2004Nov13.html
>
> I am used to 52KB/sec download but since early this
> morning am getting only 13KB/sec.

Think yourself lucky - last week when they released V 1.0 I got something
like 7KB/sec.

DaZZa

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[SLUG] Mouse, Grub and Slackware

[Rajnish]

All,
After using RH for just over a year, I am heading back to
my pref distro - slackware v10. From the moment the computer
booted off the install cd, it was familiar territory and
I was in control. (Prior to RH, I was on slack 7)
Getting to the point: after a 1st go successful install, I fired up
X using 'startx'. It came up nicely - including the mouse pointer.
Upon moving the mouse, the pointer took a rapid exit (to
top right of screen) ... never to be seen again !!! I am not
too worried about it right now - but any suggestions will
be welcome ?? (It is a 2 button el-cheapo mouse connecting to
first serial port (com1 in dos terminology)).
The PC has win2K and RH8. Boots into grub from where I select
which one of these to use. (There is separate /boot partition
from which RH8 boots from).
For the fear of trashing the system, I didn't install lilo
therefore slack boots from floppy.
Can I use grub to boot into slackware ? If so, how to do that ?
Thanking you all in anticipation.
Regards,
Rajnish
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[SLUG] Firefox Download Server Overload ?

[O Plameras]

Just checking if anyone else is experiencing
tremendously slow download for Firefox Browser
from http://www.mozilla.org ?
It is maybe due to a number of articles about Firefox
in a number of US online daily news provider today,
like this one:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A47146-2004Nov13.html
I am used to 52KB/sec download but since early this
morning am getting only 13KB/sec.

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Re: [SLUG] Linux/GPL violations -- how to let the right people know?

[mlh]

On Mon, Nov 15, 2004 at 10:12:11PM +1030, Glen Turner wrote:
> If the answer is unsatisfactory then collecct the details at
>   http://www.fsf.org/licenses/gpl-violation.html

... and if you do this you might get a peachy keen
leather gnu key ring like I did.

Matt

PS. sadly lost now .. boo hoo.



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Re: [SLUG] new laptop: bios cant see dvd/cd - so cant boot, so cant install linux.

[Keith Hopkins]

Broun, Bevan wrote:
Hi all
I got myself a nice new laptop on the weekend. Dying to install linux on it
but cant as the bios cant see the dvd/cdrom and so I cant boot ANY cd from
this device. 

The laptop is badged pioneer but it is a mitac 8355 (athlon 64 bit, 1GB
RAM).  The bios is Insyde Mobile Pro Bios 4.00.05 (R1.01?). XP detects the
dvd rw as teac dv-w22e. It is basically this:
ttp://www.tuxmobile.org/xeron_sonic_pro_800mx.html
Anybody see similar problems? Am I lookiing at a bios upgrade? Any ideas
please.
FWIW, I have a totally different laptop (which I will happily trade for yours), and I have to turn on "Legacy" USB support in the BIOS before I can boot from any USB device.


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Re: [SLUG] Most valuable free/OSS software that doesn't exist?

[Ken Foskey]

On Mon, 2004-11-15 at 15:17 +1100, Jamie Wilkinson wrote:

> The counterpoint is that I'm using M4 to autogenerate some common structures
> in my cfengine inputs...

Is that available for the bunnies to help them hop up the curve a bit?

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Re: [SLUG] Linux/GPL violations -- how to let the right people know?

[Glen Turner]

Matt M wrote:
I've been playing around with some pretty cool enterprise hardware. and 
it's become very obvious that it's running embedded linux. Now after 
some investigation using google and the manufacturer's website, there 
doesn't appear any source available for download.

My question is, where's the best place to raise this as an issue? It's 
obviously in everyone's best interests to see the GPL properly enforced.
The manufacturer need not make the source available for download, they
can choose to offer the source code to you by some other means. See
Section 3 of the GPL.
Probably the simplest thing to do is to simply ask the manufacturer
how you would obtain the source code from them should you decide to
purchase the product.  You never know, they might say it's on a CD
shipped in the box with the gear.  Be kind, manufacturers aren't used
to these sort of requests and even if they do have a perfectly
satisfactory process in place you may need to educate salespeople
to be able to find it.
If the answer is unsatisfactory then collecct the details at
  http://www.fsf.org/licenses/gpl-violation.html
A Linux distrbution has hundreds of copyright holders. Drop a
few of them a line: the FSF, the linux-kernel list, and the
netfilter people are the usual list of suspects.  There's a
lot to be said for avoiding linux-kernel, if you are wrong
then a manufacturer could well have been defamed.
Legally there's nothing much else you can do -- it's all up to the
copyright holder of the various components of a Linux distro.
You've done your bit by letting them know.
Cheers,
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Re: [SLUG] Why can't browser writers get it right

[luke]

Hi,

15Nov2004 @ 17:19 Roger Barnes thusly spake
> > > The CSS has:
> > > font-family: Verdana, serif;
> > 
> > should be
> > font-family: Verdana serif;
> > (no comma)
> 
> *Bzzzt*  _With_ comma is correct.

Ouch! you're right, sorry, got mixed up with my .muttrc config


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Re: [SLUG] Installfest

[Peter Hardy]

Hi there.
On 11/15/04 10:20, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I noticed on your web site that you have an Installfest planed for 
this coming Saturday, the venue listed as TBA.

Is this still going ahead?  If so, could you please tell me where? (I 
REALLY need some help!)
A combination of factors including illness mean I've done basically no 
organising. I've decided it's best to postpone the fest for a fortnight, 
to make sure we get the venue we want and the rabble are suitably roused.
Of course, if somebody decides they want to meet up in a room somewhere 
this weekend anyway, feel free. :-)

Look for a real announcement tomorrow, but in brief:
When: Saturday December 4, 10am-4pm
Where: Parramatta Town Hall
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Re: [SLUG] Linux/GPL violations -- how to let the right people know?

[Erik de Castro Lopo]

On Mon, 15 Nov 2004 20:42:30 +1100
Matt M <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi All,
> 
> I've been playing around with some pretty cool enterprise hardware. and 
> it's become very obvious that it's running embedded linux. Now after 
> some investigation using google and the manufacturer's website, there 
> doesn't appear any source available for download.
> 
> My question is, where's the best place to raise this as an issue? It's 
> obviously in everyone's best interests to see the GPL properly enforced.

Ask for it, stating that you believe that you have a right to it
under the terms of the GPL. If your request is refused then an
email to the Linux Kernel mailing list with the manufacturer's
response might be in order.

Erik
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[SLUG] C++ in fedora

[Grizzly(Francis Smit)]

Hi has anyone got C++ support working in anjuta/glade/glade-- on
fedora???
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[SLUG] Linux/GPL violations -- how to let the right people know?

[Matt M]

Hi All,
I've been playing around with some pretty cool enterprise hardware. and 
it's become very obvious that it's running embedded linux. Now after 
some investigation using google and the manufacturer's website, there 
doesn't appear any source available for download.

My question is, where's the best place to raise this as an issue? It's 
obviously in everyone's best interests to see the GPL properly enforced.

Cheers,
Matt
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