[SLUG] Re: Linux UI decision
Hey All. Ta for the insight, again: I did not think politics would really matter considering Oz's track record with pro-open source cases ;-) however it has given me a couple of things to think about. Will look at Mono. I was under the impression that wxWindows was old, so thanks for the insight. A search on Linix Bindings revealed 9 of the top 10 hits on this library, and 1 on python bindings. Is this really a good way to judge an API? I guess it means better / more support, but like you guys said, support for Qt3 has waned...does this not mean that constant patches will bloat it, until a complete new set of libs are required (hence the 3?) I do not know, and probably am just showing my ignorance: I will try to explain my fear of being left behind:- Does Anyone know of any microkernel dev in 2.7x or bsd or something new? I'm no OS expert - actually, I think I am severely let down by Java's crypto lib etc, and wish to re-enter the industry as a C/C++ developer but not get pushed out, like I was when .Net made MFC/COM+ developers redundant (or get the boss to fork out a few grand for day trips to learn a language which is higher level and frankly unappealing to a C coder: VB.NET or C#). Del asked: What sort of effort is required to get a Qt app, once built, installed on Windows? As in, what libraries, dlls, etc do I have to get a novice desktop user to install to get my Qt app running, and how complex is that (packaged in an install EXE / MSI file, etc, or do I have to create files all over the file system and install a bunch of registry entries by hand)? I reckon this would depend a lot on how well your objects correspond to an MS alternative. I'd still use Visual C++, bc to port to VB or C#'d require a complete rewrite. But if you are thinking of doing this, have a look at VC5 or 6 and if your app is full of atypical widgets and interfaces to any odbc driven data source, there are fairly similar interfaces to what I have seen in Qt. If you have a good working knowlege of shell scripting, you could use expression matching to alter the calls. As for the registry - I have no idea. In Windows you use a CRegistry object, its pretty simple - I have to guess here, but I assume that linux, which to my knowlege does not have a registry equivalent (could be totally wrong here) uses the .conf files, and there are also MFC calls which alter MS's .ini files, or you can do it manually, so again you can change the file manipulation calls. Regards HAV ps James recommended: I bought a couple of Qt books: Perens QT3, O'Reilly Programming Qt3 ...are the egs online? -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] Re: Linux UI decision
Thanks for the responses - I dare say I have shown my ignorance, however it is a steep learning curve, moving from dos/windows. A couple more questions from your responses: what is the gnome/gtk+ relationship? I use kde, but my interesest is piqued due to the article on Englightenment - that is E17 yeah? Oh - do you intertwine your additions to E17 with a day job? That to me would be a dream job, having been a visual c developer for so long and just spent a year.5 back studying - I can't imagine trying to port a Qt project to mfc or the like. Ych! That would be more than 10% in porting I can tell you! Still, its not that dissimilar. This leads to another question: about the not referring to desktop shell anymore - how is E17 different to other window managers - I read an article in Linux User I think, but I forget, and now I can't imagine, unless it does not adopt a traditional process/kernel model - I would like to see a linux microkernel architecture, that would get the porting down to 2%! Cheers HAV -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] Re: PDA phones ? Try a customisable open source Linux phone with GPS ..
With the next wave of viruses almost certain to hit mobile phones, I think that any additional protection is worth looking into - I'm also interested in uploading the flashram and sim contents to backup storage - a friend bought a little gizmo in HK that backs up numbers only ...a slammer type of worm could use just this data to spread - so - how much encryption is practical on a 32k SIM for each entry? HAV -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] PDA phones ? Try a customisable open source Linux phone with GPS ..
Hi Sonia, They say its quad band GSM so I think it should. 640 x 480 resolution as well! J On 11/13/06, Sonia Hamilton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * On Thu, Nov 09, 2006 at 12:54:35PM +1300, Adam Bogacki wrote: Fyi, http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=35590 They've been on sale since early this year ~US$3-400.00, preferentially to software developers. Follow the links .. I don't know much about phones, etc - do you think they'd work on the Australian mobile networks? I'd really love to have an equivalent to procmail for incoming phonecalls/sms's :-) -- Sonia Hamilton. GPG key A8B77238. . One OS to rule them all, One OS to find them. One OS to call them all, And in salvation bind them. In the bright land of Linux, Where the hackers play. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] PDA phones ? Try a customisable open source Linux phone with GPS ..
quote who=Sonia Hamilton http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=35590 They've been on sale since early this year ~US$3-400.00, preferentially to software developers. Follow the links .. I don't know much about phones, etc - do you think they'd work on the Australian mobile networks? I'd really love to have an equivalent to procmail for incoming phonecalls/sms's :-) Yeah, they will. Oh, and OpenMoko is built on components of the GNOME Mobile and Embedded platform. :-) - Jeff -- linux.conf.au 2007: Sydney, Australia http://lca2007.linux.org.au/ Clowns to the left of me, jokers to the right, here I am: Stuck in the middle with you. - Steeler's Wheel, Stuck in the Middle With You -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] Strange Xorg log information exceeds DDC maximum
Hi all, I was just checking out some log info (out of curiosity) and came across the message in: /var/log/xorg.0.log The message is: (1920x1440,PHILIPS 107T) mode clock 339.068MHz exceeds DDC maximum 110MHz I'm using a 17 Philips 107T5 monitor set to 1024x768, attached to an Kubuntu 6.06 box. The monitor is quite fine and I've not experienced any problems with it. My graphics chip is an on-board: :00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82865G Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 02) I've done a bit of googling but am afraid I'm really none the wiser. Could anyone enlighten me about this, or point me in the right direction please? Thanks, Patrick -- Registered Linux User 368634 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] Backing up to dvd
Luke, my apologies for not having acknowledged your post earlier and my thanks for it. I'm still trying to get on top of MondoRescue. When I have, I'll begin trying to do the same with your shell scripts. Thanks again, Leslie -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Backups keeping symbolic links.
I meant that we'd like to keep symlinks and restore them as they where, rather than replacing the symlink with the original file or loosing them all together. On 11/13/06, Matthew Hannigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, Nov 12, 2006 at 03:06:28PM +1100, Eddie F wrote: Hi all, I've been ask the question by a friend about what alternatives to cpio there might be, for backing up to a tape drive and keeping symbolic links preserved. Had a bit of a dig around on Google, but haven't had much luck... Any suggestions? Pretty much everything keeps symlinks, cpio, tar, dump. Or did you mean you want to save the thing symlinked-to? -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: Relevance of dump (was: Re: [SLUG] Backups keeping symbolic links.)
This one time, at band camp, Penedo wrote: On 13/11/06, Matthew Hannigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Pretty much everything keeps symlinks, cpio, tar, dump. Just taking this opportunity to try to satisfy my curiosity. I was wondering what's the state of dump(8) in the current world of multiple file system types, a quick Google came up with the following at the top of the list, it's dated circa 2002: The ext2fs/ext3fs dump utility is officially declared deprecated by Linus Torvalds... http://archives.neohapsis.com/archives/postfix/2002-07/0501.html Other links from Google point to dump format-dependency - you can't dump a ext3fs filesystem and be able to restore it directly onto, say, an XFS or JFS filesystem. Besides - is there any sense in using dump these days? It made sense back when dump was much faster than tar/cpio by avoiding running namei on each file and when large multi-user machines were taken down to single user mode for a backup (I'm talking about the VAX/CCI and 4.2BSD days). But does it make sense in today's context, with filesystem snapshots and always-on desktops? I wouldn't consider this as an option but since you mentioned it I wonder if there is a situation where it's justifiable to use it. dump might be quicker than tar, and preserves the entire filesystem state (not just POSIX, for example, tar doesn't store POSIX ACLs, though star does). If you need to do a bare metal recovery, onto identical hardware, then dump may solve your needs -- though I admit, I never used it and tar always did good enough. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Strange Xorg log information exceeds DDC maximum
The message is: (1920x1440,PHILIPS 107T) mode clock 339.068MHz exceeds DDC maximum 110MHz I'm using a 17 Philips 107T5 monitor set to 1024x768, attached to an Kubuntu 6.06 box. The monitor is quite fine and I've not experienced any problems with it. Your monitor reports a maximum pixel clock of 100Mhz in its EDID, it then says it support 1920x1440 at 339Mhz which is over its own maximum.. It's only a warning that your monitor lies, like a lot of them out there... Dave. -- David Airlie, Software Engineer http://www.skynet.ie/~airlied / airlied at skynet.ie Linux kernel - DRI, VAX / pam_smb / ILUG -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] Postgrey/FairUCE
Hi, Does anyone have any experience in using postgrey and fairUCE together ? Would this combination be better than a challenge/response system like http://www.totalblock.net/ ? Thanks Phil. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Postgrey/FairUCE
Phil Manuel wrote: Hi, Does anyone have any experience in using postgrey and fairUCE together ? Would this combination be better than a challenge/response system like http://www.totalblock.net/ ? I don't know what postgrey, fairUCE or http://www.totalblock.net/ are, but they would have trouble being more broken-by-design than challenge/response systems :-). Erik -- +---+ Erik de Castro Lopo +---+ Death is perhaps too easy -- Iqbal Sacranie in 1989 about Salman Rushdie, author of The Satanic Verses. Sacranie received a knighthood in 2005 as the face of 'moderate' British Islam. He has never disowned his earlier statement. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Postgrey/FairUCE
On 14/11/06, Phil Manuel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Does anyone have any experience in using postgrey and fairUCE together ? Would this combination be better than a challenge/response system like http://www.totalblock.net/ ? From reading the first few lines describing what postgrey does (reject connections and hoping that spammers won't retry) then it sounds like a doomed tactic since I've just read (on Security Fix? not sure) that spammers got over this silly hurdle and now will retry, causing even more traffic for sites which employ this method. Never tried any of these personally - I use Gmail for now. --P -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Postgrey/FairUCE
On Tue, Nov 14, 2006 at 03:34:40PM +1100, Howard Lowndes wrote: ...and you trust Google not to sell the email addresses of those with whom you correspond?... I certainly do, at least, I trust them slightly more than the average ISP. Matt -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Postgrey/FairUCE
On 14/11/06, Howard Lowndes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...and you trust Google not to sell the email addresses of those with whom you correspond?... *clink* (That was the sound of yet another dollar going into Google's pockets for having your address in their spam pool. Thanks for your business.) :-^) Cheers, --P -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] PCIe Network Carding
I am looking for a PCIe Network card for the my Linux machine. Does anybody use such a device? But I am finding it hard to find out whether the PCIe is also compatable -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] PCIe Network Carding
On 11/14/06, Stephen Black [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am looking for a PCIe Network card for the my Linux machine. Does anybody use such a device? But I am finding it hard to find out whether the PCIe is also compatable Why a PCIe network card over a PCI one? -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Postgrey/FairUCE
From reading the first few lines describing what postgrey does (reject connections and hoping that spammers won't retry) then it sounds like a doomed tactic since I've just read (on Security Fix? not sure) that spammers got over this silly hurdle and now will retry, causing even more traffic for sites which employ this method. I can confirm that this happens, esp for the penny stocks spam with .GIF, which is why I need to get FuzzyOcr working. :( I for one wouldn't bother even bother FuzzyOcr. It represents only an incremental step in the detection, and on the spammers are pretty much able to beat already. I'm already seeing animated image spam with increased levels of noise, varying fonts and other tricks. It's only a matter of time till the image spam is sophisticated enough to existing OCR software, even fuzzy OCR, is going to start getting in trouble. Frankly, I think 90% of the anti-spam techniques I here about are pretty horrendous. They generally rely on the argument Well the spammer don't $something, so we use a method that stops anything that doesn't $something. These methods all have a limited lifespan, because all that needs to happen is that the spammers start doing $something, and the anti-spam is defeated. More people need to realise that spammers can program too, and aren't stupid. (Not any more) Adam K P.S. That's not a dig at you Howard, more of a rant in general :) -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Postgrey/FairUCE
This one time, at band camp, Adam Kennedy wrote: It's only a matter of time till the image spam is sophisticated enough to existing OCR software, even fuzzy OCR, is going to start getting in trouble. Exactly. If the spammers can't get around Captchas[1], then our software likely won't be any better. Frankly, I think 90% of the anti-spam techniques I here about are pretty horrendous. They generally rely on the argument Well the spammer don't $something, so we use a method that stops anything that doesn't $something. Yes but they actually work, and continue working for a long time. Postgrey is still happily rejecting loads of spam for me. Rejecting numeric IP-only HELO strings still rejects hundreds of potential spams a day for me. For a long time, it seemed like the spammers were all 1337 Visual Basic haxx0rs without the ability to read an RFC or react to countermeasures. Some are clearly getting a lot better at writing their malware, which probably has a lot to do with the amount of money now being made from the scams they're running. I think for a long time there were few suppliers of spam senders, and they weren't very good. This was okay for the spammers because until spam started getting really ridiulous, the kinds of people who would fall for it weren't filtering. Now that ISP filters are reasonably good by default, the spammers are having to get better. These methods all have a limited lifespan, because all that needs to happen is that the spammers start doing $something, and the anti-spam is defeated. As I said, they continue to work for a very long time. Don't forget there's still a buttload of MyDoom and the like machines out there! [1]: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Captcha -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html -- Rev Simon Rumble [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.rumble.net Inflation is the one form of taxation that can be imposed without legislation. - Milton Friedman -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] howto convert html to pdf?
I (well my boss actually) want to convert several hundred html pages to pdf - what's the easiest way to do this? Any pointers, ideas? I guess I'm looking for a tool like pdf2html (but going in the reverse direction). I've found a php module called html2pdf [1] - just wondering if there's a stand alone tool callable from the shell. [1] http://directory.fsf.org/print/misc/html2pdf.html -- Sonia Hamilton. GPG key A8B77238. . One OS to rule them all, One OS to find them. One OS to call them all, And in salvation bind them. In the bright land of Linux, Where the hackers play. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] howto convert html to pdf?
Sonia Hamilton wrote: I (well my boss actually) want to convert several hundred html pages to pdf - what's the easiest way to do this? Any pointers, ideas? I guess I'm looking for a tool like pdf2html (but going in the reverse direction). I've found a php module called html2pdf [1] - just wondering if there's a stand alone tool callable from the shell. [1] http://directory.fsf.org/print/misc/html2pdf.html Well it depends on how well formed the HTML is. If its crap it could be hard to create neat, good looking PDF. Here are possibilities: 1. If its got few tags and is very neat maybe use sed/bash scripting to convert it to latex and run pdflatex on it. This is easily scriptable to do several hundred files. 2. Script Open Office. OpenOffice can take in HTML and produce PDF. Mike -- Michael Lake Computational Research Support Unit Science Faculty, UTS Ph: 9514 2238 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] howto convert html to pdf?
I just realized that my previous response didn't make it to the list. Something like this should work for you. http://search.cpan.org/~audreyt/PDF-FromHTML-0.20/script/html2pdf.pl Should be just a case of... [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ cpan -i PDF::FromHTML [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ html2pdf.pl source.html target.pdf Adam K Sonia Hamilton wrote: I (well my boss actually) want to convert several hundred html pages to pdf - what's the easiest way to do this? Any pointers, ideas? I guess I'm looking for a tool like pdf2html (but going in the reverse direction). I've found a php module called html2pdf [1] - just wondering if there's a stand alone tool callable from the shell. [1] http://directory.fsf.org/print/misc/html2pdf.html -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] howto convert html to pdf?
On Tue, 2006-11-14 at 17:42 +1100, Sonia Hamilton wrote: I've found a php module called html2pdf [1] - just wondering if there's a stand alone tool callable from the shell. One solution would be to use html2ps then ps2pdf. I at least use ps2pdf daily and it's a good tool. Hopefully html2ps is too. -- Cheers, Craige. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] howto convert html to pdf?
Funnily enough we have had a project just recently with the exact same problem. http://htmldoc.org/ htlmdoc is by the people who made CUPS and probably will do unless you have css up the wazoo or something more complex. For the ultimate in rendering ability, embeded mozilla engine via http://michele.pupazzo.org/mozilla2ps/ then the run the output through ps2pdf. moz2ps doesn't seem to work with stdin though (you should be ok). those two choices are the easiest to use, though moz2ps seems to like a gui (gtk libraries) and sometimes it likes to run as root (tarball version) get ubuntu edgy or recent debian and you should be ok with that though. dave Sonia Hamilton wrote: I (well my boss actually) want to convert several hundred html pages to pdf - what's the easiest way to do this? Any pointers, ideas? I guess I'm looking for a tool like pdf2html (but going in the reverse direction). I've found a php module called html2pdf [1] - just wondering if there's a stand alone tool callable from the shell. [1] http://directory.fsf.org/print/misc/html2pdf.html -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] howto convert html to pdf?
On Tue, Nov 14, 2006 at 05:42:59PM +1100, Sonia Hamilton wrote: I (well my boss actually) want to convert several hundred html pages to pdf - what's the easiest way to do this? Any pointers, ideas? I guess I'm looking for a tool like pdf2html (but going in the reverse direction). I've found a php module called html2pdf [1] - just wondering if there's a stand alone tool callable from the shell. [1] http://directory.fsf.org/print/misc/html2pdf.html I've used mozilla2ps before to do this, then hooked it into ps2pdf for the final output. html2ps doesn't really cut it, with the output looking a bit wishy-washy if you're doing anything complicated (tables, divs, etc). If you're looking for good quality output it's the only choice, however be prepared to wait around a bit for it to generate the pages (it starts up the entire gecko engine before loading the page, then it prints it) You'll need xulrunner underneath, and the moz2ps website[0] explains how to set up everything. The syntax of xulrunner/moz2ps is a bit finicky, but if you follow the configuration docs to the letter you should be ok. Good luck! Lindsay [0] http://michele.pupazzo.org/mozilla2ps/ -- http://slug.org.au/ (Sydney Linux Users Group) http://lca2007.linux.org.au/ (linux.conf.au 2007) http://holmwood.id.au/~lindsay/ (me) -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
