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Forwarded Message From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] My point is that even as the technical guys get older and slow down, they bring in young people to fill in the gaps and then concentrate on the precision components themselves. That enhances business growth and they pull in talent from Poland, Czechoslovakia, Croatia and neighbouring countries. Compare this model with This (remote) life in last weekend's Weekend Australian Review section. The complaint was getting skilled workers to support remote aboriginal settlements - eg to keep gensets bore pumps running. Government department policy seems to completely miss the model you describe. Please don't start a racist thread off this - as one myself I'm talking about lack of government policies which could lead to up-skilling of rural, regional and remote workers. K. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Open Source Medical Practice Management Software
Sridhar Dhanapalan wrote: In this case it's much more than billing data - we're talking about sensitive medical records that meed to be managed and interchanged in ways strictly defined by guidelines and legislation set by governments and various other authorities. Actually, despite their reputed mercenary nature, most doctors don't really care about their billing data. They set their fees as they see fit and as long as most of the columns add up and they are happy with the numbers, they are content. If they want to swap to a new billing package they usually just run out the old one and start the new. Managing their medical data is much more important to them and having a core but movable dataset is the holy grail. The functional requirements are actually pretty limited. In brief they are demographics, recording notes (efficiently), generating outgoing correspondence, accepting and processing incoming correspondence (including pathology and radiology) and generating prescriptions. Medicare Australia requires billing software to pass their compliance testing. This mainly involves responding with the correct codes to their on-line batch processing facility. Medicare Australia was formerly known as the Health Insurance Commission. This best describes its function and in reality it does not give a rat's about medical data. Ultimate responsibility for clinical decisions rests with the doctor and they are free to choose whichever tools they like to to assist them. This, unfortunately, is all too often pen and paper. Imagine the difficulties associated with designing a business-ready FOSS accounting package, and multiplying all the complexities tenfold. I've been involved in a number of deployments of medical software in Australia, and I've quite frankly been shocked at the poor design and implementation decisions made. In one system still widely used in regional Australia, it is expected that interaction be made over RDP (Windows remote desktop). Considering the WAN links are satellite with an ISDN uplink, the results aren't fantastic. If the ISDN goes down (which isn't uncommon), the system becomes unbearable to use as the satellite takes over the uplink too. Imagine running an interactive desktop session over a link that has latencies (pings) in the order of one second. The most successful electronic medical record (EMR) packages in primary care have been written by doctor programmers. To date non-programmer doctors have been unable to articulate their requirements or have misunderstood the technology. Most EMR packages use MS SQL as their backend. A few use firebird and one uses 4G. Since moving data from one medical package to another is very difficult, vendor lock in has stifled innovation and most of the products are over ten years old. Most are designed for use only over the LAN. (I regard RDP as LAN technology which becomes progressively more painful the further you stretch it.) In terms of FOSS alternatives, take a look at Gnumed[1]. Their FAQ[2] is probably the best place to start. The project doesn't look particularly active, but I could be wrong. [1] http://www.gnumed.org/ [2] http://www.gnumed.org/faqs.html Gnumed started as a joint German-Australian venture in 2000. As Ken Wilson has noted, the practice of medicine varies country to country and gnumed has demonstrated, despite the best endeavours of the core developers, that the universal EMR is not possible. He who codes wins and gnumed is quite successful in providing certain supplementary components to commercial software packages in the German market. It is no longer of much use in Australia. The way forward is to define a subset of medical data as used in the Australia. Unique identifiers for disease codes, pathology tests and requests and prescription data is probably the minimal subset to get something functioning. After ten years and millions of dollars spent by the Feds this is yet to occur. This is a serious issue that unfortunately plays out as farce. David -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] do I need /dev/snd for ALSA, if so how to create it ?
I found out that udev is now required to correctly setup /dev for all
devices, including sound cards. Apparently it doesn't startup correctly
on boot, so I've added udevstart to my logon script and all devices are
now correctly setup. ALSA now works.
Rod
On Wed, 2008-03-05 at 15:48 +1100, Rod Butcher wrote:
greetings from sunny Northmead. Apologies if this is a duplicate, but I
didn't receive a copy of my first sending.
I've cruised along with a 2.6.18 kernel that I compiled myself, for a
while now, on a Gigabtye board with NVidia NForce 430 southbridge, AMD
Athlon X2 cpu. For various reasons I've had to upgrade to the 2.6.24.3
kernel, so I compiled it with Mandrake's 4.02 gcc compiler. No problems,
up and running with X OK. But no ALSA sound now.
Research indicates the builtin sound chip is MCP51 High Definition
Audio, ALC880 codec, requiring snd-hda-intel driver. That is included as
a module, and I also included the codec in the kernel build. I can load
snd-hda-intel OK, it shows up in lsmod along with soundcore, snd, etc :-
bash-3.00# lsmod
Module Size Used by
snd_hda_intel 321700 0
sg 35352 0
snd_hwdep 8584 1 snd_hda_intel
snd_seq_dummy 3524 0
snd_seq_midi_event 7616 0
snd_seq55392 2 snd_seq_dummy,snd_seq_midi_event
snd_seq_device 7508 2 snd_seq_dummy,snd_seq
snd_pcm80776 1 snd_hda_intel
snd_timer 21640 2 snd_seq,snd_pcm
snd_page_alloc 8848 2 snd_hda_intel,snd_pcm
snd57128 7
snd_hda_intel,snd_hwdep,snd_seq,snd_seq_device,snd_pcm,snd_timer
soundcore 7328 1 snd
But ALSA can't detect the sound card. All apps return error messages
saying device not found. E.g. :
bash-3.00#aplay --list-devices
aplay: device_list:207: no soundcards found...
bash-3.00# alsamixer
alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such file or
directory
Yet the device shows up in /proc :-
bash-3.00# cat /proc/asound/cards
0 [NVidia ]: HDA-Intel - HDA NVidia
HDA NVidia at 0xf510 irq 22
So my question is : where does ALSA look for the sound card ? What is it
expecting to find that is wrong or missing ? I have found doco that
takes for granted that if it shows up in ?proc/Asound/cards then ALSA
will find it, no explanations of what it means if it can't.
I've tried gdb with aplayer and get this, which is followed by the error
message :-
Breakpoint 3, snd_card_load1 (card=0) at cards.c:47
47 sprintf(control, SND_FILE_CONTROL, card);
(gdb) n
49 open_dev = snd_open_device(control, O_RDONLY);
(gdb) n
51 if (open_dev 0) {
(gdb) n
53 sprintf(aload, SND_FILE_LOAD, card);
(gdb) print control
$7 = /dev/snd/controlC0, '\0' repeats 11 times
I have no /dev/snd ... is this the problem ? I've tried setting it up
with makedev, but that just returns
bash-3.00# cat /dev/snd/controlC0
cat: /dev/snd/controlC0: No such device
even though it appears as a file.
So - why no /dev/snd, do I really need it for ALSA, and why was it
automagically there for my old kernel ? Any doco around on this that
goes into nuts and bolts ? Further reading seems to indicate that udev
now seys up /dev system, so does this mean my udev is broken ? It worked
OK for my 2.6.18 kernel - apart from my USB printer, for which I had to
use mknod to setup /dev/lp0. I tried mknod to create /dev/snd, but no
luck.
thanks
Rod
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Re: [SLUG] support enquiry
On Tue, 4 Mar 2008 03:59:53 pm Rick Welykochy wrote: Nigel Allen wrote: young IT person? That smacks of ageism and discrimination. Smacks of we will only pay peanuts :) Oh for Snoopy's sake. The guy is a small business operator. He needs someone to run, maintain and hopefully improve his business, not a druid to read his goat's entrails. Get a grip folks. This isn't the attitude that is going to get any us any further. -- regards ted lane -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] support enquiry
Bruce Bruen wrote: On Tue, 4 Mar 2008 03:59:53 pm Rick Welykochy wrote: Nigel Allen wrote: young IT person? That smacks of ageism and discrimination. Smacks of we will only pay peanuts :) Oh for Snoopy's sake. The guy is a small business operator. He needs someone to run, maintain and hopefully improve his business, not a druid to read his goat's entrails. Get a grip folks. This isn't the attitude that is going to get any us any further. Go for it! cheers rickw -- Rick Welykochy || Praxis Services || Internet Driving Instructor A terrorist is someone who has a bomb but can't afford an air force. -- William Blum -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] do I need /dev/snd for ALSA, if so how to create it ?
greetings from sunny Northmead !
I've cruised along with a 2.6.18 kernel that I compiled myself, for a
while now, on a Gigabtye board with NVidia NForce 430 southbridge, AMD
Athlon X2 cpu. For various reasons I've had to upgrade to the 2.6.24.3
kernel, so I compiled it with Mandrake's 4.02 gcc compiler. No problems,
up and running with X OK. But no ALSA sound now.
Research indicates the builtin sound chip is MCP51 High Definition
Audio, ALC880 codec, requiring snd-hda-intel driver. That is included as
a module, and I also included the codec in the kernel build. I can load
snd-hda-intel OK, it shows up in lsmod along with soundcore, snd, etc :-
bash-3.00# lsmod
Module Size Used by
snd_hda_intel 321700 0
sg 35352 0
snd_hwdep 8584 1 snd_hda_intel
snd_seq_dummy 3524 0
snd_seq_midi_event 7616 0
snd_seq55392 2 snd_seq_dummy,snd_seq_midi_event
snd_seq_device 7508 2 snd_seq_dummy,snd_seq
snd_pcm80776 1 snd_hda_intel
snd_timer 21640 2 snd_seq,snd_pcm
snd_page_alloc 8848 2 snd_hda_intel,snd_pcm
snd57128 7
snd_hda_intel,snd_hwdep,snd_seq,snd_seq_device,snd_pcm,snd_timer
soundcore 7328 1 snd
But ALSA can't detect the sound card. All apps return error messages
saying device not found. E.g. :
bash-3.00#aplay --list-devices
aplay: device_list:207: no soundcards found...
bash-3.00# alsamixer
alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such file or
directory
Yet the device shows up in /proc :-
bash-3.00# cat /proc/asound/cards
0 [NVidia ]: HDA-Intel - HDA NVidia
HDA NVidia at 0xf510 irq 22
So my question is : where does ALSA look for the sound card ? What is it
expecting to find that is wrong or missing ? I have found doco that
takes for granted that if it shows up in ?proc/Asound/cards then ALSA
will find it, no explanations of what it means if it can't.
I've tried gdb with aplayer and get this, which is followed by the error
message :-
Breakpoint 3, snd_card_load1 (card=0) at cards.c:47
47 sprintf(control, SND_FILE_CONTROL, card);
(gdb) n
49 open_dev = snd_open_device(control, O_RDONLY);
(gdb) n
51 if (open_dev 0) {
(gdb) n
53 sprintf(aload, SND_FILE_LOAD, card);
(gdb) print control
$7 = /dev/snd/controlC0, '\0' repeats 11 times
I have no /dev/snd ... is this the problem ? I've tried setting it up
with makedev, but that just returns
bash-3.00# cat /dev/snd/controlC0
cat: /dev/snd/controlC0: No such device
even though it appears as a file.
So - why no /dev/snd, do I really need it for ALSA, and why was it
automagically there for my old kernel ? Any doco around on this that
goes into nuts and bolts ?
thanks
Rod
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Re: [SLUG] Open Source Medical Practice Management Software
David Guest wrote: The most successful electronic medical record (EMR) packages in primary care have been written by doctor programmers. To date non-programmer doctors have been unable to articulate their requirements or have misunderstood the technology. Most EMR packages use MS SQL as their backend. A few use firebird and one uses 4G. It would take knowing both sides, or a lot of discussion between a doctor and a programmer. The way doctors think and record notes is a style that is learnt on an apprenticeship model over years of uni, internship and residency and is reinforced in most communication that you have between doctors about patients. A programer will not pick this up in a few hours of consultation. If anyone is writing programes like this I can provide a medical viewpoint. Ken -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] do I need /dev/snd for ALSA, if so how to create it ?
Rod Butcher wrote: greetings from sunny Northmead ! I've cruised along with a 2.6.18 kernel that I compiled myself, for a while now, on a Gigabtye board with NVidia NForce 430 southbridge, AMD Athlon X2 cpu. For various reasons I've had to upgrade to the 2.6.24.3 kernel, so I compiled it with Mandrake's 4.02 gcc compiler. No problems, up and running with X OK. But no ALSA sound now. SNIP/ But ALSA can't detect the sound card. All apps return error messages saying device not found. E.g. : bash-3.00#aplay --list-devices aplay: device_list:207: no soundcards found... bash-3.00# alsamixer alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such file or directory Yet the device shows up in /proc :- bash-3.00# cat /proc/asound/cards 0 [NVidia ]: HDA-Intel - HDA NVidia HDA NVidia at 0xf510 irq 22 SNIP/ So - why no /dev/snd, do I really need it for ALSA, and why was it automagically there for my old kernel ? Any doco around on this that goes into nuts and bolts ? thanks Rod No idea if this will help or not but you could try checking your asoundrc file http://www.alsa-project.org/main/index.php/Asoundrc if you haven't already. For comparison sake, I have /dev/snd/ which has a whole pile of devices from each card in it (eg pcmC0xxx, pcmC1xxx, etc - I have 2 sound cards) and a sndstat file. Fil -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] ADSL modem recommendations (with bridging)
I have a DSL-502T that I am just running as the router too, it is only about 6 months old, it works fine with all the linux clients in my place too. It isn't doing dhcp or DNS though as these are handled elsewhere. AFAIK the DSL-502T is running linux. I have had some issues with the latest firmware as some of the config pages don't render in firefox, which is majorly annoying, it used to be the other way around that they didn't render in IE on my solitary windows box. On Fri, Feb 29, 2008 at 9:42 AM, Peter Hardy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey hey. On Thu, 2008-02-28 at 23:11 +1100, Erik de Castro Lopo wrote: Can anybody recommend an ADSL modem that does up to an including ADSL2+, is Linux friendly and easy to set up in bridging or half bridging mode? It would also be nice if the adminstrative functions were still accessible when it is in bridging mode. I have a D-Link DSL-502T, which is a couple of years old by now. It had a lot of problems with Linux clients when it was running as a gateway - the Linux resolver just didn't play nicely with its name service. But I'm using it in full bridge mode now in front of a WRT-54G and have no complaints. Don't think they do half-bridging. But flipping it into full bridging mode is a snap, and the internal interface keeps the address that was assigned to it, so the admin interface is still accessible. -- Pete -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html -- -- Regards Morgan Storey Senior Network and Security Consultant. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Open Source Medical Practice Management Software
David Guest wrote: Sridhar Dhanapalan wrote: In this case it's much more than billing data - we're talking about sensitive medical records that meed to be managed and interchanged in ways strictly defined by guidelines and legislation set by governments and various other authorities. Actually, despite their reputed mercenary nature, most doctors don't really care about their billing data. They set their fees as they see fit and as long as most of the columns add up and they are happy with the numbers, they are content. If they want to swap to a new billing package they usually just run out the old one and start the new. But they do have to keep it for 7 years plus, for the taxman, and in medical negligence court cases it can be 21+7 years plus. Most would have the backup disc and just hope someone could read it if ever required. Ken -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] ADSL modem recommendations (with bridging)
Try TP-Link ADSL 2+ Modem http://www.tp-link.com/products/product_des.asp?id=111 It's cheap but you need to use an atheros superG cards on the client side to use the proprietary 108mb wifi but it's compatible with B and G and works like a charm in firefox and has bridging On Thu, Mar 6, 2008 at 8:43 AM, Morgan Storey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a DSL-502T that I am just running as the router too, it is only about 6 months old, it works fine with all the linux clients in my place too. It isn't doing dhcp or DNS though as these are handled elsewhere. AFAIK the DSL-502T is running linux. I have had some issues with the latest firmware as some of the config pages don't render in firefox, which is majorly annoying, it used to be the other way around that they didn't render in IE on my solitary windows box. On Fri, Feb 29, 2008 at 9:42 AM, Peter Hardy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey hey. On Thu, 2008-02-28 at 23:11 +1100, Erik de Castro Lopo wrote: Can anybody recommend an ADSL modem that does up to an including ADSL2+, is Linux friendly and easy to set up in bridging or half bridging mode? It would also be nice if the adminstrative functions were still accessible when it is in bridging mode. I have a D-Link DSL-502T, which is a couple of years old by now. It had a lot of problems with Linux clients when it was running as a gateway - the Linux resolver just didn't play nicely with its name service. But I'm using it in full bridge mode now in front of a WRT-54G and have no complaints. Don't think they do half-bridging. But flipping it into full bridging mode is a snap, and the internal interface keeps the address that was assigned to it, so the admin interface is still accessible. -- Pete -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html -- -- Regards Morgan Storey Senior Network and Security Consultant. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] ADSL modem recommendations (with bridging)
On Thu, Mar 06, 2008 at 08:43:44AM +1100, Morgan Storey ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: I have a DSL-502T that I am just running as the router too, it is only about 6 months old, it works fine with all the linux clients in my place too. It isn't doing dhcp or DNS though as these are handled elsewhere. I do not think that the dsl-502T is made for more then the simple stuff, i.e. as a bridge, however for this its rock solid! I am away from the exchange about 3.5Km and the downloads are about 720kb/s(steady). I had to turn it off yesterday morning as I did some phone cable re-routing, but this is what the modem reports just now (yes this is 1.3 GB since 14.00 yesterday) Rx PDU's 1019840 Rx Total Bytes 1358496516 Rx Total Error Counts 1727 AFAIK the DSL-502T is running linux. I have had some issues with the latest Oh yes: [root ~] #telnet XX.XX.XX.XX Trying XX.XX.XX.XX... Connected to XX.XX.XX.XX Escape character is '^]'. BusyBox on (none) login: XX Password: BusyBox v0.61.pre (2007.11.02-05:10+) Built-in shell (ash) Enter 'help' for a list of built-in commands. # firmware as some of the config pages don't render in firefox, which is majorly annoying, it used to be the other way around that they didn't render in IE on my solitary windows box. I have no problem running firefox (we do not use IE, its blocked at the firewall) This modem has another cool feature. It is impossible to get to any modem in bridge mode without having a second interface, this one has an ethernet AND usb port, so what I did as my setup is (on the LINUX router): eth2: USB based virtual network card that is connected to the USB port of the DSL-502T eth1: INTERNAL LAN facing network eth0: BRIDGE based nework card used for ppp that is connected to the eth port of the dsl-502T ppp0: my WAN based IP address. I do not need a fancy modem, as the linux router does what I need much better/faster although I have to admit that because of the busy box on the 502T its getting close. But on the router I have some fancy cpus ... Jobst On Fri, Feb 29, 2008 at 9:42 AM, Peter Hardy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey hey. On Thu, 2008-02-28 at 23:11 +1100, Erik de Castro Lopo wrote: Can anybody recommend an ADSL modem that does up to an including ADSL2+, is Linux friendly and easy to set up in bridging or half bridging mode? It would also be nice if the adminstrative functions were still accessible when it is in bridging mode. I have a D-Link DSL-502T, which is a couple of years old by now. It had a lot of problems with Linux clients when it was running as a gateway - the Linux resolver just didn't play nicely with its name service. But I'm using it in full bridge mode now in front of a WRT-54G and have no complaints. Don't think they do half-bridging. But flipping it into full bridging mode is a snap, and the internal interface keeps the address that was assigned to it, so the admin interface is still accessible. -- Pete -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html -- -- Regards Morgan Storey Senior Network and Security Consultant. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html -- Take into account that great love and great achievements involve great risk. | |0| | Jobst Schmalenbach, [EMAIL PROTECTED], General Manager | | |0| Barrett Consulting Group P/L The Meditation Room P/L |0|0|0| +61 3 9532 7677, POBox 277, Caulfield South, 3162, Australia -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] ADSL modem recommendations (with bridging)
On Thu, Mar 06, 2008 at 09:52:21AM +1100, xorprime ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Try TP-Link ADSL 2+ Modem http://www.tp-link.com/products/product_des.asp?id=111 It's cheap but you need to use an atheros superG cards on the client side to use the proprietary 108mb wifi but it's compatible with B and G and works like a charm in firefox and has bridging So it isn't cheap anymore, isnt it? When I look around through my spare parts I have so many nice/good 100mb ethernet cards lying around and thats enough for all ADSL connections I know of. Jobst On Thu, Mar 6, 2008 at 8:43 AM, Morgan Storey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a DSL-502T that I am just running as the router too, it is only about 6 months old, it works fine with all the linux clients in my place too. It isn't doing dhcp or DNS though as these are handled elsewhere. AFAIK the DSL-502T is running linux. I have had some issues with the latest firmware as some of the config pages don't render in firefox, which is majorly annoying, it used to be the other way around that they didn't render in IE on my solitary windows box. On Fri, Feb 29, 2008 at 9:42 AM, Peter Hardy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey hey. On Thu, 2008-02-28 at 23:11 +1100, Erik de Castro Lopo wrote: Can anybody recommend an ADSL modem that does up to an including ADSL2+, is Linux friendly and easy to set up in bridging or half bridging mode? It would also be nice if the adminstrative functions were still accessible when it is in bridging mode. I have a D-Link DSL-502T, which is a couple of years old by now. It had a lot of problems with Linux clients when it was running as a gateway - the Linux resolver just didn't play nicely with its name service. But I'm using it in full bridge mode now in front of a WRT-54G and have no complaints. Don't think they do half-bridging. But flipping it into full bridging mode is a snap, and the internal interface keeps the address that was assigned to it, so the admin interface is still accessible. -- Pete -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html -- -- Regards Morgan Storey Senior Network and Security Consultant. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html -- There are three kinds of lies: Lies, Damn lies, and statistics. - Disraeli | |0| | Jobst Schmalenbach, [EMAIL PROTECTED], General Manager | | |0| Barrett Consulting Group P/L The Meditation Room P/L |0|0|0| +61 3 9532 7677, POBox 277, Caulfield South, 3162, Australia -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Open Source Medical Practice Management Software
On 06/03/2008, at 9:05 AM, Ken Wilson wrote: [...] But they do have to keep it for 7 years plus, for the taxman, and in medical negligence court cases it can be 21+7 years plus. Most would have the backup disc and just hope someone could read it if ever required. Ken -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html It's not only the data retention requirements that feature in this type of software, but depending on the exact nature of what the business does, ongoing funding compliance. I have just come off the back of a painful 5 months facilitating the introduction of an industry-specific, proprietary solution for a large nursing home on the Central Coast, and have seen failure within the software result in the business not being able to provide supporting evidence for their funding claims for particular classes of residents. I believe that we could have coded equivalent functionality, or modified an existing package in a shorter timeframe than has proved the case in working with the vendor to fix the problems, but unfortunately we're not able to spend the tens if not hundreds of thousands of dollars to ensure that we meet all legal obligations. I'm finding this thread particularly interesting given these recent experiences :) Cheers, B. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] hard drive failure, back-up, and other unhappiness
I've had a back-up hard drive fail today (just the backup drive, not the original) Worse still, my son's hard drive failed and then his back-up drive also failed, so he is in deep doo-doo. Fail = clicking noises, won't mount or mounts then won't read/write, etc. Both back-up drives were in USB external cases. I suspect my back-up failed because of a dodgey power issue with the external case, but that's conjecture at this point. OTOH, I do cross-backups between two servers - rsync'ing with cron - and haven't had a problem (so far) for several years. Does anyone have a thought about using external cases for back-up? is this just plain bad luck? Is it true that not all external drives are born equal? Does anyone have any thoughts about back-up between drives installed inside one box - ie, what's the likelihood of the system inadvertently destroying both copies. Obviously this sort of backup doesn't protect against fire or theft, but it strikes me that the biggest danger is drive failure. any thoughts gratefully received. David. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] hard drive failure, back-up, and other unhappiness
Both back-up drives were in USB external cases. I suspect my back-up failed because of a dodgey power issue with the external case, but that's conjecture at this point. External drives are ok for me as long as it has some Raid on it (at least Raid 5). Single drive backup is like an optical backup with a lot of rewrites ;-) -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] ADSL modem recommendations (with bridging)
On Thu, 2008-03-06 at 09:52 +1100, xorprime wrote: 108mb wifi units-pedant-mode Wow, 0.108 bits per second, isn't that a bit slow? I thought only military submarines used that? Perhaps you meant 108Mb/s. /units-pedant-mode Regards Peter Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] /\/\*http://miller.emu.id.au/pmiller/ PGP public key ID: 1024D/D0EDB64D fingerprint = AD0A C5DF C426 4F03 5D53 2BDB 18D8 A4E2 D0ED B64D See http://www.keyserver.net or any PGP keyserver for public key. Real Programmers' programs never work right the first time. But if you throw them on the machine they can be patched into working in 'only a few' 30-hour debugging sessions. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] ADSL modem recommendations (with bridging)
Oh well, make it Mb/s then ;-) On Thu, Mar 6, 2008 at 12:21 PM, Peter Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 2008-03-06 at 09:52 +1100, xorprime wrote: 108mb wifi units-pedant-mode Wow, 0.108 bits per second, isn't that a bit slow? I thought only military submarines used that? Perhaps you meant 108Mb/s. /units-pedant-mode -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] hard drive failure, back-up, and other unhappiness
Quoting david [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I've had a back-up hard drive fail today (just the backup drive, not the original) Worse still, my son's hard drive failed and then his back-up drive also failed, so he is in deep doo-doo. Fail = clicking noises, won't mount or mounts then won't read/write, etc. Whilst not an answer to your question, if you're fairly sure the drive is terminal it might be time to try a bit of percussive maintenance. I remember having similar problems with a drive many years ago and a sharp smack off the side of the desk did actually fix it. Whether the drive heads were stuck or what I don't know, but it was supremely satisfying nonetheless... File that under the Please don't try this at home category ;-) Craig -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] hard drive failure, back-up, and other unhappiness
On Thu, Mar 06, 2008 at 11:59:16AM +1100, xorprime wrote: Both back-up drives were in USB external cases. I suspect my back-up failed because of a dodgey power issue with the external case, but that's conjecture at this point. External drives are ok for me as long as it has some Raid on it (at least Raid 5). Single drive backup is like an optical backup with a lot of rewrites ;-) Here is an interesting article on raid5. Its a case of horse for courses. My setup. I have 3 server, 2 at my place. 1 primary file server, files copied over to the second server. The second server copies its files over to the third server which is offsite. All disk space is raid1 (or better - used to use raid5) The schedules for the rsync allow me some lee way to restore accidentally deleted files - but that isn't the main goal for this scheme. I will soon be adding a 4 site (off site from both the others) why just incase one of my wan links are down. I keep all my important stuff on these file server, well important to me, photo's of babies and such And with the price of drives coming down. I have just made a discision to archive my video camera footage as mpeg2 (the format it comes in), I am looking at getting 2 1T firewire or esata external drive cases. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html -- I've coined new words, like, misunderstanding and Hispanically. - George W. Bush 03/29/2001 speaking at the Radio Television Correspondents dinner signature.asc Description: Digital signature -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] hard drive failure, back-up, and other unhappiness
External drives are ok for me as long as it has some Raid on it (at least Raid 5). Single drive backup is like an optical backup with a lot of rewrites ;-) (I should really be replying to the OP, but ..) Of course, the -sensible- method of doing it is to cycle through backup media, rather than having an active and backup disk set. All you need is one bad backup and everything is toast - or, in my case (which didn't hurt me as I -have- lots of backup disks that I swap in once a week into my enclosure, as well as hourly/daily/weekly incremental tarballs going off-site) lightning damaged the fileserver and the currently active full backup going to the external disk. Both were very charcoalled :) (Yet another problem solved thirty years ago that people keep reinventing..) Adrian -- - Xenion - http://www.xenion.com.au/ - VPS Hosting - Commercial Squid Support - - $25/pm entry-level VPSes w/ capped bandwidth charges available in WA - -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] hard drive failure, back-up, and other unhappiness
I've been trying idrive.com recently. 2GB for free and when you refer using a mail account with more than 5 Contacts (email), you will receive an addtional of 10GB of storage (I should really be replying to the OP, but ..) Of course, the -sensible- method of doing it is to cycle through backup media, rather than having an active and backup disk set. All you need is one bad backup and everything is toast - or, in my case (which didn't hurt me as I -have- lots of backup disks that I swap in once a week into my enclosure, as well as hourly/daily/weekly incremental tarballs going off-site) lightning damaged the fileserver and the currently active full backup going to the external disk. Both were very charcoalled :) (Yet another problem solved thirty years ago that people keep reinventing..) Adrian -- - Xenion - http://www.xenion.com.au/ - VPS Hosting - Commercial Squid Support - - $25/pm entry-level VPSes w/ capped bandwidth charges available in WA - -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] hard drive failure, back-up, and other unhappiness
On Thu, Mar 6, 2008 at 1:27 PM, Alex Samad [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Its a case of horse for courses. My setup. I have 3 server, 2 at my place. 1 primary file server, files copied over to the second server. The second server copies its files over to the third server which is offsite. All disk space is raid1 (or better - used to use raid5) While discussing backup (and off-site backup) strategies, here is something that sounds like just what I'd like to suggest my workplace to use to keep the comapny's jewels at an even safer place: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/msg51032.html (Summary - use a simple script to store encypted incremental daily backups on Amazon's S3). --Amos -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Open Source Medical Practice Management Software
Brad Thomson wrote: It's not only the data retention requirements that feature in this type of software, but depending on the exact nature of what the business does, ongoing funding compliance. I have just come off the back of a painful 5 months facilitating the introduction of an industry-specific, proprietary solution for a large nursing home on the Central Coast, and have seen failure within the software result in the business not being able to provide supporting evidence for their funding claims for particular classes of residents. I believe that we could have coded equivalent functionality, or modified an existing package in a shorter timeframe than has proved the case in working with the vendor to fix the problems, but unfortunately we're not able to spend the tens if not hundreds of thousands of dollars to ensure that we meet all legal obligations. Again this is a finance thing between the nursing homes and the government funders. The documentation relates to the level of care that the nursing home patient requires and increasing levels attract increasing funds. The formula covers areas such as dementia and incontinence. Doctors regard most of this documentation as of limited value to their clinical assessments. The information doctors want and need is not dictated by government legislation. Open source developers have a free hand. They just have to keep the doctors happy. David -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Open Source Medical Practice Management Software
Ken Wilson wrote: But they do have to keep it for 7 years plus, for the taxman, I thought it was three years for the tax man but you could be right. and in medical negligence court cases it can be 21+7 years plus. I don't think financial records are relevant to medical negligence cases. There would be no medico legal reason to retain them for more than 7 years. The ultimate repository of medical billing data is held by Medicare Australia. Most would have the backup disc and just hope someone could read it if ever required. Unlicensed copies of most medical software will permit read only access. In any event, it's doubtful that anyone has ever tested the restore of the backup. ;-( David -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] ADSL modem recommendations (with bridging)
Don't stop there! You probably mean bits not b(ytes) and mebi not mega, so it's 108 Mibit/s See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data_rate_units On Thu, Mar 06, 2008 at 12:50:54PM +1100, xorprime wrote: Oh well, make it Mb/s then ;-) On Thu, Mar 6, 2008 at 12:21 PM, Peter Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 2008-03-06 at 09:52 +1100, xorprime wrote: 108mb wifi units-pedant-mode Wow, 0.108 bits per second, isn't that a bit slow? I thought only military submarines used that? Perhaps you meant 108Mb/s. /units-pedant-mode -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Oracle 9i database and samba
On Mon, 2008-03-03 at 18:52 +1100, Alex Samad wrote: Any reason to put oracle on windows ? why not make up oracle on a linux (vm or real box) Because at this stage all I know is that it appears to be a bundled installation on Windows. Sadly it used to be a unix application that has been ported to Windows. It still uses an Xserver and goodness knows what else has been hacked in there?! -- Simon Wong [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] hard drive failure, back-up, and other unhappiness
On Thu, Mar 06, 2008 at 02:05:49PM +1100, Amos Shapira wrote: On Thu, Mar 6, 2008 at 1:27 PM, Alex Samad [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Its a case of horse for courses. My setup. I have 3 server, 2 at my place. 1 primary file server, files copied over to the second server. The second server copies its files over to the third server which is offsite. All disk space is raid1 (or better - used to use raid5) While discussing backup (and off-site backup) strategies, here is something that sounds like just what I'd like to suggest my workplace to use to keep the comapny's jewels at an even safer place: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/msg51032.html (Summary - use a simple script to store encypted incremental daily backups on Amazon's S3). Here's blog article listing a bunch of s3 backup tools. A List of Amazon S3 Backup Tools http://jeremy.zawodny.com/blog/archives/007641.html You can even do it with linux fuse. In the comments there are some links to dedicated non-s3 backup services. Matt -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] hard drive failure, back-up, and other unhappiness
On Thu, Mar 06, 2008 at 12:57:13PM +1100, Craig Dibble wrote: Quoting david [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I've had a back-up hard drive fail today (just the backup drive, not the original) Worse still, my son's hard drive failed and then his back-up drive also failed, so he is in deep doo-doo. Fail = clicking noises, won't mount or mounts then won't read/write, etc. Whilst not an answer to your question, if you're fairly sure the drive is terminal it might be time to try a bit of percussive maintenance. I remember having similar problems with a drive many years ago and a sharp smack off the side of the desk did actually fix it. Whether the drive heads were stuck or what I don't know, but it was supremely satisfying nonetheless... File that under the Please don't try this at home category ;-) Craig FWIW, before you try percussive maintenance, I've had the clicking thing and sometimes it has been due to dodgy usb cable or cable insertion and once even rebooting linux fixed it - the usb driver had got into a funny state and was erroring no every connect. Rebooting fixed it. Matt -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] ADSL modem recommendations (with bridging)
On Fri, 2008-02-29 at 09:42 +1100, Peter Hardy wrote: On Thu, 2008-02-28 at 23:11 +1100, Erik de Castro Lopo wrote: Can anybody recommend an ADSL modem that does up to an including ADSL2+, is Linux friendly and easy to set up in bridging or half bridging mode? It would also be nice if the adminstrative functions were still accessible when it is in bridging mode. I have a D-Link DSL-502T, which is a couple of years old by now. I use one of those, in bridging mode. Happy apart from no Annex M support (for increased uplink speeds). -- Glen Turner http://www.gdt.id.au/~gdt/ 0416 295 857 or +61 416 295 857 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] ADSL modem recommendations (with bridging)
I call shenanigans! On Thu, 2008-03-06 at 16:22 +1100, Matthew Hannigan wrote: Don't stop there! You probably mean bits not b(ytes) and mebi not mega, so it's 108 Mibit/s 1) It's mibi not mebi. 2) The same standard that defines mibi- as a prefix (IEEE 1541 [1]) specifies that b is the symbol for bits, and B should be used for bytes. In practical use, though, I tend to see either bits or B. -- Pete, who measures his traffic in gross nybbles to reduce confusion. [1] - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IEEE_1541 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] HOWTO make a Ubuntu Live CD
Hi, I would like to make a Ubuntu live CD. That is to say a CD similar to the usual installation CD but with the installer stripped out. The CDs would be used in a classroom where I don't want students actually installing Ubuntu just running it from the CD. I haven't (yet) found out how to do this. Do any sluggers have any pointers? cheers, Ken -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
