Re: [SLUG] clone non-LVM system onto new LVM drive

2011-06-30 Thread John Clarke 
On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 02:30:41PM +1000, John Clarke wrote:

> I'm trying to so the same thing right now, and I've got *almost*
> everything working.  Now when I try to boot from the new drive, I see
> some error messages flash by during boot (they're not logged to syslog
> and don't appear when I run dmesg) saying that it can't write to
> /lib/modules/`uname -r`/volatile because it's a read-only filesystem. 
> 
> This is happening because the tmpfs that's normally mounted there isn't
> being mounted, and I have no idea why.  I don't know where this mount is
> supposed to be done and I'm not having any success finding anything
> useful via Google, and without knowing where it's done I have no idea
> how to fix it.

I've found it.  It's mounted by /sbin/lrm-manager (called from
/etc/rcS.d/S07linux-restricted-modules-common), but only if
/lib/modules/`uname -r`/volatile/.mounted doesn't exist.  The file does
exist because I copied it from the running system.  I did look through
this script earlier but missed it.  I can't do any more testing tonight
though, so it'll have to wait until the morning.


John

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Re: [SLUG] Which Linux for Autonomous driving platform ?

2011-06-30 Thread Dave Kempe 
- Original Message -
> From: "David Lyon" 
> 
> Hi people,
> 
> I'm trying to choose the best platform for an open source
> autonomous driving project that I've been working on for
> a while.
> 
>  - https://bitbucket.org/djlyon/smp-driverless-car-robot/overview
> 
> I'm considering Debian Live, DSL, Puppy-Linux but can't make
> up my mind.

whatever distribution is used in openelec.tv seems to pretty solid, and has a 
pretty cool build from scratch system.

Dave
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[SLUG] KDE gui package manger in Debian

2011-06-30 Thread Steven Tucker 

Hi sluggers,

quick background to problem:

My son (6 yrs old) has been running Ubuntu for over a year, he keeps it 
up to date and installs games himself through the use of software center.
As he has been an independent user capable of selecting and installing 
the software *he* wants, it would be very sad if he had to start relying 
on me.
So now we come to the problem . with the inevitable move to from 
gnome2 to Unity or Gnome3, we looked at what environment he might like 
to choose. He decided he would like to use KDE, which may have been 
influenced by the fact that it is the choice I made, but never the less 
that is what he has chosen.
For some reason there is a huge issue with Kubuntu and his hardware that 
I have given up trying to fix, so I have installed Debian (wheezy) and 
we both absolutely love it. The problem is it does not come with 
something like software center on KDE, and he is not about to start 
using apt! (least not till next year).


Synaptic is not as simple as software center, I have read that there are 
issues getting software center running on Debian Wheezy, and if at all 
possible I would prefer a Qt/KDE solution.


I have seen online Muon, which looks exactly like what I am after, easy 
software selection, integrated update notifier etc. But is not yet in 
Debian.


Has anyone else come across this issue and found a suitable solution?
We are sticking with KDE, are open to changing distro (but prefer not 
to) and would like relatively up to date software but not bleeding edge 
(so probably not Fedora or at the other end Debian stable).


Thanks in advance

Tuxta
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Re: [SLUG] KDE gui package manger in Debian

2011-06-30 Thread David Lyon 
I sort of sympathise.

Maybe you need to teach him "apt-get install . ." in the command shell...

Six years is very young.. but today I saw a boy in a pram playing with
some sort of game device..

he's a boy.. apt-get is a boys toy really..

On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 5:57 PM, Steven Tucker  wrote:

> Hi sluggers,
>
> quick background to problem:
>
> My son (6 yrs old) has been running Ubuntu for over a year, he keeps it up
> to date and installs games himself through the use of software center.
> As he has been an independent user capable of selecting and installing the
> software *he* wants, it would be very sad if he had to start relying on me.
> So now we come to the problem . with the inevitable move to from gnome2
> to Unity or Gnome3, we looked at what environment he might like to choose.
> He decided he would like to use KDE, which may have been influenced by the
> fact that it is the choice I made, but never the less that is what he has
> chosen.
> For some reason there is a huge issue with Kubuntu and his hardware that I
> have given up trying to fix, so I have installed Debian (wheezy) and we both
> absolutely love it. The problem is it does not come with something like
> software center on KDE, and he is not about to start using apt! (least not
> till next year).
>
> Synaptic is not as simple as software center, I have read that there are
> issues getting software center running on Debian Wheezy, and if at all
> possible I would prefer a Qt/KDE solution.
>
> I have seen online Muon, which looks exactly like what I am after, easy
> software selection, integrated update notifier etc. But is not yet in
> Debian.
>
> Has anyone else come across this issue and found a suitable solution?
> We are sticking with KDE, are open to changing distro (but prefer not to)
> and would like relatively up to date software but not bleeding edge (so
> probably not Fedora or at the other end Debian stable).
>
> Thanks in advance
>
> Tuxta
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Re: [SLUG] KDE gui package manger in Debian

2011-06-30 Thread Nick Andrew 
On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 10:55:18PM +1000, David Lyon wrote:
> he's a boy.. apt-get is a boys toy really..

You're saying apt-get isn't a suitable tool for girls?

Nick.
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[SLUG] resolv.conf reset each reboot - static config - ubuntu server 10.04

2011-06-30 Thread Zenaan Harkness 
Hi, I feel imbecilic, because this is not making sense to me.

Static ip, resolvconf installed, I even went so far as to purge
uninstall dhcp3-client, and yet:
 on each reboot, resolv.conf comes up empty (no nameservers).

SSH is working.

Evironment:
Ubuntu 10.04 server, running in a vmware instance provided to me
minimal install
reslvconf installed
dhcp3-client purged

Ok on reboot (and ssh in), this is what I get:
~# ifconfig
eth0  Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:50:56:9b:00:02
  inet addr:203.98.76.25  Bcast:203.98.76.255  Mask:255.255.255.0
  inet6 addr: fe80::250:56ff:fe9b:2/64 Scope:Link
  UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
  RX packets:874 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
  TX packets:145 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
  collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000
  RX bytes:76682 (76.6 KB)  TX bytes:18678 (18.6 KB)
  Interrupt:18 Base address:0x2024

loLink encap:Local Loopback
  inet addr:127.0.0.1  Mask:255.0.0.0
  inet6 addr: ::1/128 Scope:Host
  UP LOOPBACK RUNNING  MTU:16436  Metric:1
  RX packets:34 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
  TX packets:34 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
  collisions:0 txqueuelen:0
  RX bytes:2464 (2.4 KB)  TX bytes:2464 (2.4 KB)

~# cat /etc/resolv.conf
# Dynamic resolv.conf(5) file for glibc resolver(3) generated by resolvconf(8)
# DO NOT EDIT THIS FILE BY HAND -- YOUR CHANGES WILL BE OVERWRITTEN
~# route -n
Kernel IP routing table
Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric RefUse Iface
203.98.76.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0   U 0  00 eth0
0.0.0.0 203.98.76.1 0.0.0.0 UG10000 eth0
~# cat /etc/network/interfaces
# This file describes the network interfaces available on your system
# and how to activate them. For more information, see interfaces(5).

# The loopback network interface
auto lo
iface lo inet loopback

# The primary network interface
auto eth0
#iface eth0 inet dhcp
iface eth0 inet static
address 203.98.76.25
netmask 255.255.255.0
network 203.98.76.0
gateway 203.98.76.1
dns-nameservers 61.88.88.88 202.12.144.10 203.0.178.191 202.12.144.11
~# aptitude show resolvconf dhcp3-client|grep State
State: installed
State: not installed


And the frustrating thing is it all is fine if I
/etc/init.d/networking restart, or as follows:
~# ifdown eth0; ifup eth0; cat /etc/resolv.conf
ssh stop/waiting
ssh start/running, process 1459
# Dynamic resolv.conf(5) file for glibc resolver(3) generated by resolvconf(8)
# DO NOT EDIT THIS FILE BY HAND -- YOUR CHANGES WILL BE OVERWRITTEN
nameserver 61.88.88.88
nameserver 202.12.144.10
nameserver 203.0.178.191


Any ideas what the firetruck I'm missing? Is it some new init magic
that I'm not familiar with?

TIA
Zen
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[SLUG] Re: resolv.conf reset each reboot - static config - ubuntu server 10.04

2011-06-30 Thread Zenaan Harkness 
Adding the following line to /etc/rc.local is a solution to this
problem, but seems ridiculously clunky:

/etc/init.d/networking restart

Surely there's something more elegant?
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Re: [SLUG] Re: resolv.conf reset each reboot - static config - ubuntu server 10.04

2011-06-30 Thread Oscar Plameras 
On Fri, 01 Jul 2011 04:23:30 +1000, Zenaan Harkness   
wrote:



Adding the following line to /etc/rc.local is a solution to this
problem, but seems ridiculously clunky:

/etc/init.d/networking restart

Surely there's something more elegant?


There is a network configuration file in RHEL or Fedora.

/etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0(for e.g.)

DEVICE=eth0
BOOTPROTO=static (or dhcp)
ONBOOT=yes
TYPE=Ethernet
IPADDR=192.168.1.1 (none if dhcp)
NETMASK=255.255.255.0
GATEWAY=192.168.1.254
DNS{1,2}=192.168.1.253

There are other parameters but the one above will fix your resolv.conf.

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Re: [SLUG] KDE gui package manger in Debian

2011-06-30 Thread Steven Tucker 

On 01/07/11 00:39, Nick Andrew wrote:

On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 10:55:18PM +1000, David Lyon wrote:

he's a boy.. apt-get is a boys toy really..

You're saying apt-get isn't a suitable tool for girls?

Nick.
Maybe I am selling him short, but his younger brother (only 4) will be 
joining the ranks soon, and I think he will still need a nice gui with 
pictures, so the problem remains.


Thanks for your input though.

Just on a side note, when I stopped to think about it, its quite 
interesting that a 6 year old can jump straight in and find software and 
install it independently (one day I came home and he had installed about 
8 new games), but a lot of adults, some in the university I work at, 
cant make the move to linux because its harder to install software than 
Windows!?!? If my son had to google for software, navigate to the 
appropriate website, download the software, navigate to the download and 
double click, next next next, he would not be installing much at all.

Old dog, new tricks perhaps?

Tuxta


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Re: [SLUG] KDE gui package manger in Debian

2011-06-30 Thread Heracles 
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Hi All,

A. Not sure if this is suitable, but "Software Center" is available in
Debian 6 and looks sort of similar the the "Software Center" in Ubuntu
11.04.

B. Why KDE on Debian instead of the Classic interface in Ubuntu 11.04?
NOTE: I also can't stand Unity but then I don't like KDE either.

Heracles
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Re: [SLUG] KDE gui package manger in Debian

2011-06-30 Thread Steven Tucker 

On 01/07/11 09:00, Heracles wrote:

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Hi All,

A. Not sure if this is suitable, but "Software Center" is available in
Debian 6 and looks sort of similar the the "Software Center" in Ubuntu
11.04.
yes, this may be the path I take if there is no KDE equivalent, but I 
have read about issues. I guess I wont know till I try.

B. Why KDE on Debian instead of the Classic interface in Ubuntu 11.04?
NOTE: I also can't stand Unity but then I don't like KDE either.
Well, we could have stayed with Ubuntu classic, but as AFAIK classic (as 
in gnome2) will be dropped next release, and the only gnome option will 
be gnome3. I'm not a fan of Unity or gnome3.
So why not wait till October to switch? Well I guess that is reasonable, 
but knowing what is over the horizon, I would rather work on the 
transition now while I have some time, I may not have the luxury later.


Perhaps not the greatest logic, but there it is.

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Re: [SLUG] KDE gui package manger in Debian

2011-06-30 Thread Jake Anderson 

On 07/01/2011 08:21 AM, Steven Tucker wrote:

On 01/07/11 00:39, Nick Andrew wrote:

On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 10:55:18PM +1000, David Lyon wrote:

he's a boy.. apt-get is a boys toy really..

You're saying apt-get isn't a suitable tool for girls?

Nick.
Maybe I am selling him short, but his younger brother (only 4) will be 
joining the ranks soon, and I think he will still need a nice gui with 
pictures, so the problem remains.


Thanks for your input though.

Just on a side note, when I stopped to think about it, its quite 
interesting that a 6 year old can jump straight in and find software 
and install it independently (one day I came home and he had installed 
about 8 new games), but a lot of adults, some in the university I work 
at, cant make the move to linux because its harder to install software 
than Windows!?!? If my son had to google for software, navigate to the 
appropriate website, download the software, navigate to the download 
and double click, next next next, he would not be installing much at all.

Old dog, new tricks perhaps?

Tuxta



you got the windows software install procedure almost correct
you forgot,
untick toolbar
remove "virus scanner" bundled with install
remove autostarted helpers
take PC to computer store because it now "plays up"
restore all important documents from backup because computer store 
formatted it to remove the virus that came bundled with it.
realise you lost the licence key for office that you downloaded from 
microsoft

buy another office licence
realise that now your old documents are legacy and don't really work 
well with new office so spend ages reformatting them.

download new email program to put smiley faces in emails.

repeat.
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Re: [SLUG] KDE gui package manger in Debian

2011-06-30 Thread elliott-brennan 

Steven wrote:

> Maybe I am selling him short, but his younger
> brother (only 4) will be joining the ranks soon,
> and I think he will still need a nice gui with
> pictures, so the problem remains.

Hi Steven,

There's nothing wrong with a nice GUI to do things 
with. It's attractive, easy to navigate and you 
can browse just like you do in a store! It's a 
great, fun way to look for something you may want 
to use and to find things you didn't know about.


Sometimes I just wander down the aisles of the 
GNU/Linux  'app store' (LOL) on my machine just to 
see what there is and have found some amazingly 
interesting things.


Re: the 'old dogs, new tricks' comment. Some old 
dogs never learnt tricks before becoming old :)


Regards,

Patrick


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Re: [SLUG] KDE gui package manger in Debian

2011-06-30 Thread David Lyon 
Patrick,

When you say GUI ?

do you mean something like this ?

 - http://lcdproc.org/   :-)

a bit of hacking and perhaps you can get a graphics lcd working..

then he can have pixels..

On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 12:49 PM, elliott-brennan
wrote:

> Steven wrote:
>
> > Maybe I am selling him short, but his younger
> > brother (only 4) will be joining the ranks soon,
> > and I think he will still need a nice gui with
> > pictures, so the problem remains.
>
> Hi Steven,
>
> There's nothing wrong with a nice GUI to do things with. It's attractive,
> easy to navigate and you can browse just like you do in a store! It's a
> great, fun way to look for something you may want to use and to find things
> you didn't know about.
>
> Sometimes I just wander down the aisles of the GNU/Linux  'app store' (LOL)
> on my machine just to see what there is and have found some amazingly
> interesting things.
>
> Re: the 'old dogs, new tricks' comment. Some old dogs never learnt tricks
> before becoming old :)
>
> Regards,
>
> Patrick
>
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Re: [SLUG] resolv.conf reset each reboot - static config - ubuntu server 10.04

2011-06-30 Thread Zenaan Harkness 
> There is a network configuration file in RHEL or Fedora.
> /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0(for e.g.)

This is an ubuntu 10.04 server (as mentioned) and I can't find the
file you are referring to.


> I believe you can specify a nameserver in interfaces in 10.04
> check out man resolvconf

Pretty sure I've done that already. I assume you're referring to
/etc/network/interfaces

This is why /etc/init.d/networking restart after bootup works, because
it actually is (or at least appears to be) configured correctly (see
below).

Also, ifdown eth0; ifup eth0  does the same "fixup" job for my
pursposes (only have one eth device).

So somehow it is just the bootup scenario where this server fails to
properly configure itself with the DNS servers as configured by me.
The configuration is really simple as far as I can tell, which is why
I'm thinking may be there's some new init-fu which I am currently
unaware of...

Any Ubuntu init-fu gurus around?

>From my first email:
-
~# cat /etc/network/interfaces
# This file describes the network interfaces available on your system
# and how to activate them. For more information, see interfaces(5).

# The loopback network interface
auto lo
iface lo inet loopback

# The primary network interface
auto eth0
#iface eth0 inet dhcp
iface eth0 inet static
   address 203.98.76.25
   netmask 255.255.255.0
   network 203.98.76.0
   gateway 203.98.76.1
   dns-nameservers 61.88.88.88 202.12.144.10 203.0.178.191 202.12.144.11

On 2011-07-01, Jake Anderson  wrote:
> I believe you can specify a nameserver in interfaces in 10.04
> check out man resolvconf
>
> On 07/01/2011 02:00 AM, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
>> Hi, I feel imbecilic, because this is not making sense to me.
>>
>> Static ip, resolvconf installed, I even went so far as to purge
>> uninstall dhcp3-client, and yet:
>>   on each reboot, resolv.conf comes up empty (no nameservers).
>>
>> SSH is working.
>>
>> Evironment:
>> Ubuntu 10.04 server, running in a vmware instance provided to me
>> minimal install
>> reslvconf installed
>> dhcp3-client purged
>>
>> Ok on reboot (and ssh in), this is what I get:
>> ~# ifconfig
>> eth0  Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:50:56:9b:00:02
>>inet addr:203.98.76.25  Bcast:203.98.76.255  Mask:255.255.255.0
>>inet6 addr: fe80::250:56ff:fe9b:2/64 Scope:Link
>>UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
>>RX packets:874 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
>>TX packets:145 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
>>collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000
>>RX bytes:76682 (76.6 KB)  TX bytes:18678 (18.6 KB)
>>Interrupt:18 Base address:0x2024
>>
>> loLink encap:Local Loopback
>>inet addr:127.0.0.1  Mask:255.0.0.0
>>inet6 addr: ::1/128 Scope:Host
>>UP LOOPBACK RUNNING  MTU:16436  Metric:1
>>RX packets:34 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
>>TX packets:34 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
>>collisions:0 txqueuelen:0
>>RX bytes:2464 (2.4 KB)  TX bytes:2464 (2.4 KB)
>>
>> ~# cat /etc/resolv.conf
>> # Dynamic resolv.conf(5) file for glibc resolver(3) generated by
>> resolvconf(8)
>> # DO NOT EDIT THIS FILE BY HAND -- YOUR CHANGES WILL BE OVERWRITTEN
>> ~# route -n
>> Kernel IP routing table
>> Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric RefUse
>> Iface
>> 203.98.76.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0   U 0  00
>> eth0
>> 0.0.0.0 203.98.76.1 0.0.0.0 UG10000
>> eth0
>> ~# cat /etc/network/interfaces
>> # This file describes the network interfaces available on your system
>> # and how to activate them. For more information, see interfaces(5).
>>
>> # The loopback network interface
>> auto lo
>> iface lo inet loopback
>>
>> # The primary network interface
>> auto eth0
>> #iface eth0 inet dhcp
>> iface eth0 inet static
>>  address 203.98.76.25
>>  netmask 255.255.255.0
>>  network 203.98.76.0
>>  gateway 203.98.76.1
>>  dns-nameservers 61.88.88.88 202.12.144.10 203.0.178.191
>> 202.12.144.11
>> ~# aptitude show resolvconf dhcp3-client|grep State
>> State: installed
>> State: not installed
>>
>>
>> And the frustrating thing is it all is fine if I
>> /etc/init.d/networking restart, or as follows:
>> ~# ifdown eth0; ifup eth0; cat /etc/resolv.conf
>> ssh stop/waiting
>> ssh start/running, process 1459
>> # Dynamic resolv.conf(5) file for glibc resolver(3) generated by
>> resolvconf(8)
>> # DO NOT EDIT THIS FILE BY HAND -- YOUR CHANGES WILL BE OVERWRITTEN
>> nameserver 61.88.88.88
>> nameserver 202.12.144.10
>> nameserver 203.0.178.191
>>
>>
>> Any ideas what the firetruck I'm missing? Is it some new init magic
>> that I'm not familiar with?
>>
>> TIA
>> Zen
>
>
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[SLUG] HDMI output Video Card recommendation

2011-06-30 Thread elliott-brennan 

Hi all,

I'm considering building myself another 
Myth/buntu/XBMC box to use as a media centre (not 
for recording TV).


Is anyone on the list using a video card with HDMI 
output?


If so, can you let me know the specs and how it 
performs for you?


Thanks :)

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Re: [SLUG] resolv.conf reset each reboot - static config - ubuntu server 10.04

2011-06-30 Thread Erik de Castro Lopo 
Zenaan Harkness wrote:

> > There is a network configuration file in RHEL or Fedora.
> > /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0(for e.g.)
> 
> This is an ubuntu 10.04 server (as mentioned) and I can't find the
> file you are referring to.

The file /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0 is redhat
specific (possibly also suse).

> > I believe you can specify a nameserver in interfaces in 10.04
> > check out man resolvconf
> 
> Pretty sure I've done that already. I assume you're referring to
> /etc/network/interfaces

If you have defined your interface as static, why have you got
resolvconf installed? Remove it (ie purge it), then make sure
/etc/resolv.conf is not a symlink and then edit that file to
your liking. Or better yet, defined them in /etc/network/interfaces.

Erik
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Re: [SLUG] resolv.conf reset each reboot - static config - ubuntu server 10.04

2011-06-30 Thread Andrew Cowie 
On Fri, 2011-07-01 at 02:00 +1000, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
> Static ip, resolvconf installed, I even went so far ...

Why not just uninstall resolvconf and configure /etc/resolv.conf
manually? It's not like you have to configure it more than once.

AfC
Sydney



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