RE: [SLUG] E-Commerce...what do I need.
Talks to the St George Financial Transaction Server. The FTS i use is at: www.au.interpath.net I wrote a generic PHP Class that does all the heavy lifting and invokes cURL (curl.haxx.se) that does the secure link jobbie back to interpath. You get a lovely report mailed to you nightly. I would have to say, that from my personal experience, do NOT go with online credit card transactions. Theres heaps of reasons :- A) There expensive.. for little purpose B) you have NO control over the transactions.. C) Contrary to popular belief, customers do NOT feel more comfortable doing their transactions with a third party.. (Yes.. National Australia Bank.. this means you too) B is very important.. as you don't get a chance to vete the order for fraud activity. Let me tell you about a company I know of that had online credit card facilities.. Most online carders are trying to get in between when a card is stolen, to when it's reported stolen.. So that the system will accept the transaction, and you, the merchant wont know that it was fraudulent until you get the charge back request like a month later. Anyway.. someone put through like 200 fraudulent transactions (via Amex) totally well in excess of $20.. And when the chargebacks came through, Amex decided they had too many, and revoked their merchant facilities. Visa/Mastercard will do the same thing under the same circumstances. SO.. basically.. get an EFTPOS machine from your bank.. and put them though by hand.. PGP them from your web site and email them to you. Just dont STORE them anywhere on the web site. Make sure you scrutinise all orders for fraud signs. Don't accept ANY orders from Indonesia, and don't trust Overseas orders with Visa/Mastercard. Amex are the ONLY ones who will do destination verification for you to validate the card and order address. -- Anthony Rumble - Managing Director EverythingLinux.com.au - The Alternative Operating System Store LinuxHelp.com.au - Support,Training,Development,Consulting Phone: 0500 500 368 Direct 02-9712-1799 Fax 02-9712-3977 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] E-Commerce...what do I need.
Hey everyone, I want to add an online shop to a web site but I'm not exactly sure what I need to do this. I figure I need a database like MySQL or something, A secure web server but what else? Also, how does it all work together? I mean once the user has submitted their request how does the credit card information get sent or received to or from the bank...or is there a completely different way of doing this. Any ideas, any suggestions on software i should use please let me know. Chris Barnes System Operations Rams Home Loans Searching for A Better Way to a home loan, call RAMS on 13 7267, or go to http://www.rams.com.au The e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential information. If you receive it in error you must not use or disclose the information. You must tell us and delete it. We do not waive any legal privilege by sending it. RAMS does not promise that the email is free from virus defect or error. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] E-Commerce...what do I need.
Chris Barnes wrote:
Hey everyone,
I want to add an online shop to a web site but I'm not exactly sure
what I need to do this.
Have a look on freshmeat for shop, etc.
There is at least one linux package for WWW shopping
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Re: [SLUG] E-Commerce...what do I need.
Chris Barnes wrote: I want to add an online shop to a web site but I'm not exactly sure what I need to do this. I figure I need a database like MySQL or something, A secure web server but what else? Also, how does it all work together? I mean once the user has submitted their request how does the credit card information get sent or received to or from the bank...or is there a completely different way of doing this. Any ideas, any suggestions on software i should use please let me know. It'll only cost you $500/hr for two programmer/analysts and a graphic designer. And Bob's yer uncle! Total project time: 1000 man-hours, guaranteed delivery in six months. Email me. Email me now. _ Rick Welykochy || Praxis Services Pty Limited My Windows box sits in the corner, an appliance to run legacy software. In my opinion, that's the ideal use of Windows.Steve Litt -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] E-Commerce...what do I need.
there is a package called akopia or owned by akopia. it used to be minivend. a search for either will find it. go to www.minivend.com and it'll take you there. this is just one of many options. credit card clearance? now that's a bit harder... ben Chris Barnes wrote: Hey everyone, I want to add an online shop to a web site but I'm not exactly sure what I need to do this. I figure I need a database like MySQL or something, A secure web server but what else? Also, how does it all work together? I mean once the user has submitted their request how does the credit card information get sent or received to or from the bank...or is there a completely different way of doing this. Any ideas, any suggestions on software i should use please let me know. Chris Barnes System Operations Rams Home Loans Searching for A Better Way to a home loan, call RAMS on 13 7267, or go to http://www.rams.com.au The e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential information. If you receive it in error you must not use or disclose the information. You must tell us and delete it. We do not waive any legal privilege by sending it. RAMS does not promise that the email is free from virus defect or error. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] E-Commerce...what do I need.
Redhat has an open-source e-commerce app at http://developer.akopia.com Cheers, Rob At 21:14 16/05/2001, Chris Barnes wrote: I want to add an online shop to a web site but I'm not exactly sure what I need to do this. I figure I need a database like MySQL or something, A secure web server but what else? Also, how does it all work together? I mean once the user has submitted their request how does the credit card information get sent or received to or from the bank...or is there a completely different way of doing this. Any ideas, any suggestions on software i should use please let me know. -- Time's fun when you're having flies. This is number 966 of a collection of 1125 quotes. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] E-Commerce...what do I need.
Rick Welykochy wrote:
Any ideas, any suggestions on software i should use please let me know.
It'll only cost you $500/hr for two programmer/analysts and
a graphic designer. And Bob's yer uncle!
actually he was my great uncle!
just a personal preference, I'd shoot the graphic designer as a public
favour myself.
too many graphics are a real turn off.
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Re: [SLUG] E-Commerce...what do I need.
Look at Redhat Interchange - AKA Akopia - AKA Minivend. -- Howard. LANNet Computing Associates http://lannetlinux.com ...well, it worked before _you_ touched it! On Wed, 16 May 2001, Chris Barnes wrote: Hey everyone, I want to add an online shop to a web site but I'm not exactly sure what I need to do this. I figure I need a database like MySQL or something, A secure web server but what else? Also, how does it all work together? I mean once the user has submitted their request how does the credit card information get sent or received to or from the bank...or is there a completely different way of doing this. Any ideas, any suggestions on software i should use please let me know. Chris Barnes System Operations Rams Home Loans Searching for A Better Way to a home loan, call RAMS on 13 7267, or go to http://www.rams.com.au The e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential information. If you receive it in error you must not use or disclose the information. You must tell us and delete it. We do not waive any legal privilege by sending it. RAMS does not promise that the email is free from virus defect or error. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] E-Commerce...what do I need.
Chris, It appears that everybody has suggested the shopping bit - but you'll find that you'll also need something to talk to the bank.. this is the hard bit (as by your question, I'm assuming that you want realtime transaction approval etc..) In 99% of situations, you have to write bits of custom code using some form of middleware.. check out: www.aba.net.au for a start (as they have a free SDK etc and reasonable merchant fees..) other names to look for are Camtech and some other which I can't remember off the top of my head in the morning.. Quite simply, if you want a manual system - any Acme Shopping cart will do - and email you (encrypted) card details etc which you later process etc... but a proper one as per se, will indeed cost you time and money.. As Rick said... call me.. call me Now.. ;) //umar. Also, how does it all work together? I mean once the user has submitted their request how does the credit card information get sent or received to or from the bank...or is there a completely different way of doing this. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] E-Commerce...what do I need.
OK, this is not a plug, but I wrote an e-commerce gateway when I was working for NetRegistry ( www.netregistry.com.au ) that I considerred fairly nice. If you were coding on the server, it had a pretty nice API. Also I think it's flat fee, no transaction fees, although I did the math, and it only becomes worth it past 50 or 100 transactions a month. You can write your payment app in Perl, or there are a couple of apps they provide ( they are REALLY simple, for example, I did a Matt Wright FormMail with e-commerce capability hacked in while I was there ). They are local, it works with both St George and NAB, and unless it's been turned off since I left, there was an API that let you connect from anywhere. Of course they may have since started forcing people to use this IBM WebSphere thingy... so check it out first. Oh, and all their servers run linux. We ( when I was there ) were heaps better than CamTech I thought. Note to those with memory: I was not responsible for the .com.au dns registry spam, I'd only been there a week, what could I do :( AdamK P.S. Oh, and if the gateway is still the way I remember, I'm available to code applications for it :) - Original Message - From: Umar Goldeli [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Chris Barnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: SLUG (E-mail) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 9:32 AM Subject: Re: [SLUG] E-Commerce...what do I need. Chris, It appears that everybody has suggested the shopping bit - but you'll find that you'll also need something to talk to the bank.. this is the hard bit (as by your question, I'm assuming that you want realtime transaction approval etc..) In 99% of situations, you have to write bits of custom code using some form of middleware.. check out: www.aba.net.au for a start (as they have a free SDK etc and reasonable merchant fees..) other names to look for are Camtech and some other which I can't remember off the top of my head in the morning.. Quite simply, if you want a manual system - any Acme Shopping cart will do - and email you (encrypted) card details etc which you later process etc... but a proper one as per se, will indeed cost you time and money.. As Rick said... call me.. call me Now.. ;) //umar. Also, how does it all work together? I mean once the user has submitted their request how does the credit card information get sent or received to or from the bank...or is there a completely different way of doing this. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] E-Commerce...what do I need.
Hi Chris, Ive done plenty of Ecomms sites under linux, here's my setup: PHP front End (with MySQL|PostGreSQL cURL support at least) MySQL | PostGreSQL Talks to the St George Financial Transaction Server. The FTS i use is at: www.au.interpath.net I wrote a generic PHP Class that does all the heavy lifting and invokes cURL (curl.haxx.se) that does the secure link jobbie back to interpath. You get a lovely report mailed to you nightly. Let me know if you need any more help. Cya Matta On Wed, May 16, 2001 at 07:00:06PM +1000, Chris Barnes wrote: Hey everyone, I want to add an online shop to a web site but I'm not exactly sure what I need to do this. I figure I need a database like MySQL or something, A secure web server but what else? Also, how does it all work together? I mean once the user has submitted their request how does the credit card information get sent or received to or from the bank...or is there a completely different way of doing this. Any ideas, any suggestions on software i should use please let me know. Chris Barnes System Operations Rams Home Loans Searching for A Better Way to a home loan, call RAMS on 13 7267, or go to http://www.rams.com.au The e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential information. If you receive it in error you must not use or disclose the information. You must tell us and delete it. We do not waive any legal privilege by sending it. RAMS does not promise that the email is free from virus defect or error. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug -- Matt Allen Technical Director Investigation Marketplace 0413 777 771 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
RE: [SLUG] E-Commerce...what do I need.
I'm not sure if you picked up on my idea but I was trying to do as much of it my self as I can. That way I can actually learn how it all fits together...And who the hell is going to spend that much money when I should be able to get alot of packages alot cheaper? Thanx, but no thanx man. -Original Message- From: Rick Welykochy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, 16 May 2001 21:14 To: Chris Barnes; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [SLUG] E-Commerce...what do I need. Chris Barnes wrote: I want to add an online shop to a web site but I'm not exactly sure what I need to do this. I figure I need a database like MySQL or something, A secure web server but what else? Also, how does it all work together? I mean once the user has submitted their request how does the credit card information get sent or received to or from the bank...or is there a completely different way of doing this. Any ideas, any suggestions on software i should use please let me know. It'll only cost you $500/hr for two programmer/analysts and a graphic designer. And Bob's yer uncle! Total project time: 1000 man-hours, guaranteed delivery in six months. Email me. Email me now. _ Rick Welykochy || Praxis Services Pty Limited My Windows box sits in the corner, an appliance to run legacy software. In my opinion, that's the ideal use of Windows.Steve Litt Searching for A Better Way to a home loan, call RAMS on 13 7267, or go to http://www.rams.com.au The e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential information. If you receive it in error you must not use or disclose the information. You must tell us and delete it. We do not waive any legal privilege by sending it. RAMS does not promise that the email is free from virus defect or error. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
RE: [SLUG] E-Commerce...what do I need.
Thanx Ben. I'm checking it out now. -Original Message- From: Ben Donohue [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, 16 May 2001 21:08 To: Chris Barnes Cc: SLUG (E-mail) Subject: Re: [SLUG] E-Commerce...what do I need. there is a package called akopia or owned by akopia. it used to be minivend. a search for either will find it. go to www.minivend.com and it'll take you there. this is just one of many options. credit card clearance? now that's a bit harder... ben Chris Barnes wrote: Hey everyone, I want to add an online shop to a web site but I'm not exactly sure what I need to do this. I figure I need a database like MySQL or something, A secure web server but what else? Also, how does it all work together? I mean once the user has submitted their request how does the credit card information get sent or received to or from the bank...or is there a completely different way of doing this. Any ideas, any suggestions on software i should use please let me know. Chris Barnes System Operations Rams Home Loans Searching for A Better Way to a home loan, call RAMS on 13 7267, or go to http://www.rams.com.au The e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential information. If you receive it in error you must not use or disclose the information. You must tell us and delete it. We do not waive any legal privilege by sending it. RAMS does not promise that the email is free from virus defect or error. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug Searching for A Better Way to a home loan, call RAMS on 13 7267, or go to http://www.rams.com.au The e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential information. If you receive it in error you must not use or disclose the information. You must tell us and delete it. We do not waive any legal privilege by sending it. RAMS does not promise that the email is free from virus defect or error. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
RE: [SLUG] E-Commerce...what do I need.
Thanx man. That was heaps helpful =o) -Original Message- From: Matt Allen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, 17 May 2001 11:02 To: Chris Barnes Cc: SLUG (E-mail) Subject: Re: [SLUG] E-Commerce...what do I need. Hi Chris, Ive done plenty of Ecomms sites under linux, here's my setup: PHP front End (with MySQL|PostGreSQL cURL support at least) MySQL | PostGreSQL Talks to the St George Financial Transaction Server. The FTS i use is at: www.au.interpath.net I wrote a generic PHP Class that does all the heavy lifting and invokes cURL (curl.haxx.se) that does the secure link jobbie back to interpath. You get a lovely report mailed to you nightly. Let me know if you need any more help. Cya Matta On Wed, May 16, 2001 at 07:00:06PM +1000, Chris Barnes wrote: Hey everyone, I want to add an online shop to a web site but I'm not exactly sure what I need to do this. I figure I need a database like MySQL or something, A secure web server but what else? Also, how does it all work together? I mean once the user has submitted their request how does the credit card information get sent or received to or from the bank...or is there a completely different way of doing this. Any ideas, any suggestions on software i should use please let me know. Chris Barnes System Operations Rams Home Loans Searching for A Better Way to a home loan, call RAMS on 13 7267, or go to http://www.rams.com.au The e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential information. If you receive it in error you must not use or disclose the information. You must tell us and delete it. We do not waive any legal privilege by sending it. RAMS does not promise that the email is free from virus defect or error. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug -- Matt Allen Technical Director Investigation Marketplace 0413 777 771 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Searching for A Better Way to a home loan, call RAMS on 13 7267, or go to http://www.rams.com.au The e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential information. If you receive it in error you must not use or disclose the information. You must tell us and delete it. We do not waive any legal privilege by sending it. RAMS does not promise that the email is free from virus defect or error. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] E-Commerce...what do I need.
quote who=Terry Collins just a personal preference, I'd shoot the graphic designer as a public favour myself. too many graphics are a real turn off. Don't blame graphic designers on the whole for idiotic abuses of web usability - you get what you employ. Good graphic designers who have learned the limitations and advantages of the medium aren't worth shooting - pay them as much as you can to keep them. Oh the other hand, I'd quite happily blame project managers for not ensuring that their web graphics people know what they're doing. - Jeff -- I tried to make money ass signing but the bottom fell out of the market. - Liam Quin -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
