Re: [SLUG] Howto Rip an ISO - copy a cd?

2002-10-17 Thread Simon Wong
On Thu, 2002-10-17 at 12:25, Jeff Waugh wrote:
 (For GNOME geeks, as Simon seems to be, I recommend Grip.)

(Not too hard to pick Jeff ;-)

I use Grip for ripping/encoding to MP3 (any tips on starting out with
ogg-vorbis encoding?).

However, since we were talking about copying CD's I was wondering there
was a quick way to make a backup of a music CD ie copy in one pass
(like dd for data) and then burn in one go rather than reassembling
tracks.


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Re: [SLUG] Howto Rip an ISO - copy a cd?

2002-10-17 Thread Jeff Waugh
 I use Grip for ripping/encoding to MP3 (any tips on starting out with
 ogg-vorbis encoding?).

Yeah, just switch the encoder dropdown to oggenc. I'm not near my desktop at
the moment, but I'll send you the command line options I use when I am.

 However, since we were talking about copying CD's I was wondering there
 was a quick way to make a backup of a music CD ie copy in one pass
 (like dd for data) and then burn in one go rather than reassembling
 tracks.

You're probably best off using cdparanoia to rip the entire cd as one track.

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Re: [SLUG] Howto Rip an ISO - copy a cd?

2002-10-16 Thread Simon Wong

On Mon, 2002-10-14 at 20:35, Jeff Waugh wrote:
 This is right, but you're best off using a big block size, so:
 
   dd if=/dev/cdrom of=pants.iso bs=8M

What if it's an audio CD?

$ dd if=/dev/cdrom of=/usr/temp/cd/funkycops.iso bs=8M
dd: reading `/dev/cdrom': Input/output error
0+0 records in
0+0 records out
0 bytes transferred in 0.167758 seconds (0 bytes/sec)

Doesn't like the fs I guess.




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Re: [SLUG] Howto Rip an ISO - copy a cd?

2002-10-16 Thread CaT

On Thu, Oct 17, 2002 at 11:24:06AM +1000, Simon Wong wrote:
 On Mon, 2002-10-14 at 20:35, Jeff Waugh wrote:
  This is right, but you're best off using a big block size, so:
  
dd if=/dev/cdrom of=pants.iso bs=8M
 
 What if it's an audio CD?

Then cdparanoia is your friend.

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Re: [SLUG] Howto Rip an ISO - copy a cd?

2002-10-16 Thread Michael Fox

Quoting Simon Wong [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 On Mon, 2002-10-14 at 20:35, Jeff Waugh wrote:
  This is right, but you're best off using a big block size, so:
  
dd if=/dev/cdrom of=pants.iso bs=8M
 
 What if it's an audio CD?
 
 $ dd if=/dev/cdrom of=/usr/temp/cd/funkycops.iso bs=8M
 dd: reading `/dev/cdrom': Input/output error
 0+0 records in
 0+0 records out
 0 bytes transferred in 0.167758 seconds (0 bytes/sec)
 
 Doesn't like the fs I guess.
 

You'd need to use other tools... dd won't work on audio cd's or mixed mode 
cd's.. aka data track, followed by audio tracks etc..
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Re: [SLUG] Howto Rip an ISO - copy a cd?

2002-10-16 Thread Simon Wong

On Thu, 2002-10-17 at 11:40, CaT wrote:
  What if it's an audio CD?
 
 Then cdparanoia is your friend.

Tah.

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Re: [SLUG] Howto Rip an ISO - copy a cd?

2002-10-16 Thread Jeff Waugh

quote who=Simon Wong

  Then cdparanoia is your friend.
 
 Tah.

(For GNOME geeks, as Simon seems to be, I recommend Grip.)

- Jeff

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Grip Head Up, was Re: [SLUG] Howto Rip an ISO - copy a cd?

2002-10-16 Thread Terry Collins

Jeff Waugh wrote:
..snip...

 (For GNOME geeks, as Simon seems to be, I recommend Grip.)

funny that you should mention Grip, but {:-).
It isn't ripping tracks properly. I get the directory structure and
tracknames, but the actual mp3 rip is only 128 bytes long.

any clues?
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Re: Grip Head Up, was Re: [SLUG] Howto Rip an ISO - copy a cd?

2002-10-16 Thread Conrad Parker

On Thu, Oct 17, 2002 at 01:00:33PM +1000, Terry Collins wrote:
 Jeff Waugh wrote:
 ..snip...
 
  (For GNOME geeks, as Simon seems to be, I recommend Grip.)
 
 funny that you should mention Grip, but {:-).
 It isn't ripping tracks properly. I get the directory structure and
 tracknames, but the actual mp3 rip is only 128 bytes long.
 
 any clues?

try cdparanoia by itself (command line; grip usually uses libcdparanoia)

the commandline cdparanoia tends to give better diagnostics, so it'll tell
you if there is any problem with ripping. (if not, then it's a problem
with encoding)

Conrad.
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Re: Grip Head Up, was Re: [SLUG] Howto Rip an ISO - copy a cd?

2002-10-16 Thread Jeff Waugh

quote who=Terry Collins

 funny that you should mention Grip, but {:-).
 It isn't ripping tracks properly. I get the directory structure and
 tracknames, but the actual mp3 rip is only 128 bytes long.

Grip goes through two process, first the rip (to wav files), then the encode
(preferably to oggs!).

Are the wav files wrong, or are the mp3s wrong? You can turn off wav file
deletion in one of the many crackrock tabs-under-tabs. :-)

It may be an issue with your encoder, rather than the ripping.

- Jeff

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Re: Grip Head Up, was Re: [SLUG] Howto Rip an ISO - copy a cd?

2002-10-16 Thread Stephen SLI27 Lindsay


On the topic of ogg encoding, oggenc is broken on debian testing at the
moment (not sure about sid or woody) with a library incompatibility (at
least it was a couple of days ago, I think some of the other ogg tools may
suffer the same afflication). I think it can be fixed with a symlink but
never actually got around to trying it.

Cheers...Steve.




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quote who=Terry Collins

 funny that you should mention Grip, but {:-).
 It isn't ripping tracks properly. I get the directory structure and
 tracknames, but the actual mp3 rip is only 128 bytes long.

Grip goes through two process, first the rip (to wav files), then the
encode
(preferably to oggs!).

Are the wav files wrong, or are the mp3s wrong? You can turn off wav file
deletion in one of the many crackrock tabs-under-tabs. :-)

It may be an issue with your encoder, rather than the ripping.

- Jeff

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Re: [SLUG] Howto Rip an ISO - copy a cd?

2002-10-16 Thread Andre Pang

On Thu, Oct 17, 2002 at 12:10:19 +1000, Simon Wong wrote:

 On Thu, 2002-10-17 at 11:40, CaT wrote:
   What if it's an audio CD?
  
  Then cdparanoia is your friend.
 
 Tah.

cdrdao is probably a better choice for producing audio CDs.  (You
get full control over the track layout because you burn in
Disc-At-Once mode, etc).

Although my favourite feature of cdrdao is

cdrdao copy --on-the-fly

which makes you a copy of the CD, on the fly.  (This assumes that
your CD burner drive is a different one from the drive reading
the disc.)  Copying couldn't be easier.


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Re: [SLUG] Howto Rip an ISO - copy a cd?

2002-10-15 Thread Terry Collins

Michael Fox wrote:

 bs=4096 

I used bs=8096 and it zoomed through the dd.

 What is the cd? a straight iso9660 data cd?

Nah, just backing up some other software that claims to be an OS {:-).
It worked to as I was able to install the apps from the copy CD's.

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Re: [SLUG] Howto Rip an ISO - copy a cd?

2002-10-15 Thread Michael Fox

Quoting Terry Collins [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 Michael Fox wrote:
 
  bs=4096 
 
 I used bs=8096 and it zoomed through the dd.
 
  What is the cd? a straight iso9660 data cd?
 
 Nah, just backing up some other software that claims to be an OS {:-).
 It worked to as I was able to install the apps from the copy CD's.
 
 Thanks all.

And the best thing about an iso, is you can even loopback mount it and still 
get at the data without having to burn it onto a cdrom.


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[SLUG] Howto Rip an ISO - copy a cd?

2002-10-14 Thread Terry Collins

Looking for a heads up on how to copy a CD under Linux?

I thought the procedure was to dd if=device of=some.iso, then cdrecord
it.
I'm having trouble with dd in that it has taken over 60 minutes to copy
200Mb, so I don't hink I'm correct in my assumption.

So how do I copy off the cd iso?


Apologies if this is in the archive, but I can not currently see
www.slug.org atm.
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Re: [SLUG] Howto Rip an ISO - copy a cd?

2002-10-14 Thread Michael Fox

Quoting Terry Collins [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 Looking for a heads up on how to copy a CD under Linux?
 
 I thought the procedure was to dd if=device of=some.iso, then cdrecord
 it.
 I'm having trouble with dd in that it has taken over 60 minutes to
 copy
 200Mb, so I don't hink I'm correct in my assumption.
 
 So how do I copy off the cd iso?

The way you describe is how I make my iso images. However, I usually put on the 
end something like bs=4096 so that it reads more chunks of data, rather then 
use the default block size of the dd command.

What is the cd? a straight iso9660 data cd? or does it have a data sectors like 
some audio tracks on it also?

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Re: [SLUG] Howto Rip an ISO - copy a cd?

2002-10-14 Thread Jeff Waugh

quote who=Terry Collins

 Looking for a heads up on how to copy a CD under Linux?
 
 I thought the procedure was to dd if=device of=some.iso, then cdrecord it.
 I'm having trouble with dd in that it has taken over 60 minutes to copy
 200Mb, so I don't hink I'm correct in my assumption.
 
 So how do I copy off the cd iso?

This is right, but you're best off using a big block size, so:

  dd if=/dev/cdrom of=pants.iso bs=8M

That will speed it up. You should also enable DMA on your drive if it can
handle it (via hdparm).

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Re: [SLUG] Howto Rip an ISO - copy a cd?

2002-10-14 Thread Yuri

The most easiest will be just to do 
$ cp /dev/cdrom cdrom.iso

Magic of everything is a file Unix :)

On Sunday 13 October 2002 16:12, Terry Collins wrote:
 Looking for a heads up on how to copy a CD under Linux?

 I thought the procedure was to dd if=device of=some.iso, then cdrecord
 it.
 I'm having trouble with dd in that it has taken over 60 minutes to copy
 200Mb, so I don't hink I'm correct in my assumption.

 So how do I copy off the cd iso?


 Apologies if this is in the archive, but I can not currently see
 www.slug.org atm.

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Re: [SLUG] Howto Rip an ISO - copy a cd?

2002-10-14 Thread Stephen Robert Norris

On Tue, 2002-10-15 at 09:14, Yuri wrote:
 The most easiest will be just to do 
 $ cp /dev/cdrom cdrom.iso
 
 Magic of everything is a file Unix :)
 
 On Sunday 13 October 2002 16:12, Terry Collins wrote:
  Looking for a heads up on how to copy a CD under Linux?
 
  I thought the procedure was to dd if=device of=some.iso, then cdrecord
  it.
  I'm having trouble with dd in that it has taken over 60 minutes to copy
  200Mb, so I don't hink I'm correct in my assumption.
 
  So how do I copy off the cd iso?
 
 
  Apologies if this is in the archive, but I can not currently see
  www.slug.org atm.
 
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If using dd, remember to set a block size - something like 4k or 8k at a
minimum for a CD. The bigger, the faster the copy will go, in general. I
use about 1024k (dd if=/dev/hdd of=foo.iso bs=1024k).

Note that if you have IRQ unmasking turned off, this will make the
machine very hard to use, however. In that case, use smaller values
until it seems OK.
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