[SLUG] Multifunction printers vs dedicated sheet-feed scanners?

2011-09-05 Thread Jon Jermey
This is not really on-topic, but I've Googled it with no success, so I'm 
hoping the collective wisdom can either come up with a response or tell 
me where to look for one.


I'm currently converting my paper book collection to eBooks by chopping 
them up and running them through a scanner with an automatic document 
feeder. Up till now I have been using a cheap multifunction printer 
which does the job reasonably well. But either the printer feed 
mechanism is getting worn out, or I'm getting on to books with a 
different quality of paper in, because lately the proportion of pages 
that need rescanning has risen from under 5% to about 25%.


My question is this: given that my printer cost $79, and a dedicated 
sheet-feed scanner costs $400 and up, am I going to get a better success 
rate if I purchase one of those rather than just buying a new cheap 
printer? The price difference leads me to believe I will, but I can't 
find any comparisons on the web between scanning success rates for 
multifunction printers and dedicated scanners. Is there any difference 
in the actual mechanics, and if so what?


It's a long time since I worked in an office. Is there anyone out there 
familiar enough with these devices to provide an answer, or tell me 
where to find one? For the record, the printer has already scanned well 
over 8000 pages.


Thanks in advance,

Jon.
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Re: [SLUG] Multifunction printers vs dedicated sheet-feed scanners?

2011-09-05 Thread Nick Andrew
On Mon, Sep 05, 2011 at 04:00:26PM +1000, Jon Jermey wrote:
 My question is this: given that my printer cost $79, and a dedicated  
 sheet-feed scanner costs $400 and up, am I going to get a better success  
 rate if I purchase one of those rather than just buying a new cheap  
 printer?

I have only a cheap multifunction printer/scanner too, but it is pretty
good for scanning multi-page documents, as long as the paper is flat
and the right size. So I can't answer your question with experience of
dedicated scanners.

It occurred to me though, for $79 to buy another cheap printer you
can confirm if the other printer's mechanism is worn out, and worst
case is you use that new cheap printer until it also wears out.

Nick.
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Re: [SLUG] Multifunction printers vs dedicated sheet-feed scanners?

2011-09-05 Thread David Lyon
I have a client that runs really old printers. HP1300's, HP1100's and
even older.

Keep in mind that these things are just (electro)-mechanical devices.

Lubrication gets dry after a while. Most of the materials in these devices
are usually excellent quality. The metal or nylon doesn't usually wear
out.

Screwdriver, vacuum-cleaner in reverse (blow out the dust and dirt)
and some lubricating spray, and you have a good chance that you
can keep your device going for another year, two, three or four.
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Re: [SLUG] Multifunction printers vs dedicated sheet-feed scanners?

2011-09-05 Thread Jon Jermey
I'll try that, thanks. I'm mainly just curious as to what the extra $300 
for a dedicated scanner is supposed to buy. Is it a case of paying more 
for less?


Jon.

On 06/09/11 09:39, David Lyon wrote:

I have a client that runs really old printers. HP1300's, HP1100's and
even older.

Keep in mind that these things are just (electro)-mechanical devices.

Lubrication gets dry after a while. Most of the materials in these devices
are usually excellent quality. The metal or nylon doesn't usually wear
out.

Screwdriver, vacuum-cleaner in reverse (blow out the dust and dirt)
and some lubricating spray, and you have a good chance that you
can keep your device going for another year, two, three or four.

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Re: [SLUG] Multifunction printers vs dedicated sheet-feed scanners?

2011-09-05 Thread Chris Barnes
I cant say I have a lot of experience with the dedicated scanners but
from what I've seen the expensive ones are very fast and very
reliable. They also come with a scsi interface option.

i worked at a mortgage lender years back and one of the departments
had these expensive scanners because they would scan piles of 20+ page
contracts all day with lightening speed.

The other place i came accross them was at a medical center where
patient forms were scanned in while the patient checked in.

They were extremely reliable. The only problems I ever saw with the
scanners was the software capturing the images.


On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 10:34 AM, Jon Jermey jonjer...@gmail.com wrote:
 I'll try that, thanks. I'm mainly just curious as to what the extra $300 for
 a dedicated scanner is supposed to buy. Is it a case of paying more for
 less?

 Jon.

 On 06/09/11 09:39, David Lyon wrote:

 I have a client that runs really old printers. HP1300's, HP1100's and
 even older.

 Keep in mind that these things are just (electro)-mechanical devices.

 Lubrication gets dry after a while. Most of the materials in these devices
 are usually excellent quality. The metal or nylon doesn't usually wear
 out.

 Screwdriver, vacuum-cleaner in reverse (blow out the dust and dirt)
 and some lubricating spray, and you have a good chance that you
 can keep your device going for another year, two, three or four.

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Re: [SLUG] Multifunction printers vs dedicated sheet-feed scanners?

2011-09-05 Thread Ken Foskey
On Tue, 2011-09-06 at 10:45 +1000, Chris Barnes wrote:
 i worked at a mortgage lender years back and one of the departments
 had these expensive scanners because they would scan piles of 20+ page
 contracts all day with lightening speed.

Expensive scanners tend not to skew the pages when feeding them in.
The quality of the scan (not the bit rate just general clarity) is
better.  The feed mechanism is a LOT better, for huge volumes it is
worth it.  Image capture was always a challenge.

Since I scan and mail on crappy printers at low res for bank use (my
banker accepts scanned signed documents for some things).   Mostly it is
not that important.

Clarity of photo scanning on the other hand,  I do very high res scans
then tune them down.  It takes a LONG time on a simple multifunction
printer.

Problem with buying good gear is how quickly they age.   A cheap printer
today is thrown away.  A good quality scanner today will be overtaken by
a cheap scanner tomorrow.  If you cannot amortise the cost over 2 years
then think carefully.

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Re: [SLUG] Multifunction printers vs dedicated sheet-feed scanners?

2011-09-05 Thread Nick Andrew
The dedicated scanners could be expected to be faster and more robust,
maybe higher quality too. The scan quality on our cheap multifunction is
not as good as that of my dedicated (but non-multi-feed) Epson scanner.

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Re: [SLUG] Multifunction printers vs dedicated sheet-feed scanners?

2011-09-05 Thread Voytek Eymont

On Mon, September 5, 2011 5:00 pm, Jon Jermey wrote:

 My question is this: given that my printer cost $79, and a dedicated
 sheet-feed scanner costs $400 and up, am I going to get a better success
 rate if I purchase one of those rather than just buying a new cheap
 printer? The price difference leads me to believe I will, but I can't find
 any comparisons on the web between scanning success rates for
 multifunction printers and dedicated scanners. Is there any difference in
 the actual mechanics, and if so what?


Jon,

not sure how much I can help you, but, FWIW, many, many years ago I bought
a HP 2p (mono scanner), I think it was about... $1000 ? then, I bought a
HP doc feeder, I think it was also around $1000. I still use them today,
not that I am a huge scanner user, but, with the 'expensive' feeder I can
shove 25 or 30 pages, when I come back, just flip over (if need scanning
reverses), it just works

a year or two ago, I was walking past a second hand PC shop, saw same
HP2p+ doc in the window for about $100, so I bought it for a spare.

so, for many pages scanning, good doc feeders are important

of course, equipment the age of mine might just crumble from old age

(just noticed rubber legs on my HP LJ5 are melting..)

additionally, a while ago I picked from a dumped Fujitsu fi4120, brilliant
little addition, color, does both sides at once, again, it's good quality
device

so, my suggestion (based on old and potentially superseded experience:

if you find you good results (no jams, scan quality, skew) from cheap
device, keep use it;

otherwise get device with dedicated good quality feeder

I don't know what the Fujitsu FIs go for, but I'm very pleased with my FI
simultaneous 2 side scanner (except you cant' do small things or books,
pages only)

sorry if I added to confusion..

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