Re: [SLUG] Re: Linux Certification
> Database? What database? The really really fast one... you know? The one with the Jet Engine(tm).. Access... *roflmao* > I regularly have different pimps from the same company ring me up one > day after another asking the same questions (different position). This > usally occurs right after the weekend call to "update my listing" I've setup an alias of all the pimps I deal with: pimps@mybox to get around that problem. If I'm available - I email the list saying so - and if not, I email again. This way, I get very few unsolicited calls :) See - this thread *is* about Linux: Sendmail aliases.. :) //umar. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Re: Linux Certification
Umar Goldeli wrote:
>
> doesn't suffice, as most pimps take your document and stuff it into a
> database of sorts.
Har, har, har. You are definitely dealing with a better class of pimp
than I am.
Database? What database?
I regularly have different pimps from the same company ring me up one
day after another asking the same questions (different position). This
usally occurs right after the weekend call to "update my listing"
http://www.techstreet.com.au is highly recommended for contractors and
employers a like. Also allows permanent positions as well.
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RE: [SLUG] Re: Linux Certification
On Tue, 22 Aug 2000, Stephen Mills wrote: > >The people sending .doc files were definately at a disadvantage, however > >the format of their CV was not the determining factor in choosing who > >got the job. > > Last week I sent my resume to an agency for a position in .txt form, and > they didn't know how to open it. I had to resend in .doc. If anyone ever asks you for a .doc file, just create your usual text file, give it a .doc extension (and MIME attribute if you have to) and just send it like that. Works for me. rachel (didn't we have this thread about 3 months ago?) Rachel Polanskis University of Western Sydney, Nepean Senior UNIX AdminPO Box 10, Kingswood NSW 2747 Systems && OperationsInformation Technology Services, Kingswood [EMAIL PROTECTED]Phone: +61 (0247) 360 291 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
RE: [SLUG] Re: Linux Certification
>The people sending .doc files were definately at a disadvantage, however >the format of their CV was not the determining factor in choosing who >got the job. Last week I sent my resume to an agency for a position in .txt form, and they didn't know how to open it. I had to resend in .doc. --Steve -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Re: Linux Certification
> The people sending .doc files were definately at a disadvantage, however > the format of their CV was not the determining factor in choosing who > got the job. But you're a well-informed engineer type. :) The only little addition that I'd make is that - when dealing with *pimps* (not directly with employers) - regardless of the *format* of the document - a *document* generally must be sent to all pimps. A link generally doesn't suffice, as most pimps take your document and stuff it into a database of sorts. Needless to say, a web-based CV would cause the majority of pimps a huge technical headache to (oh my gosh!) .. download it and save the file somewhere. You'll also find that most pimps do simple pattern matching on their CV databases for their "recruiters" to make the initial contact with you (which is why in some cases you get calls by people who ask you if you know ASC2 format or a programming language called TCP/IP). //umar. PhD. Pimpology and Contractorism (U.N.S.W.) -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Re: Linux Certification
> > i see this as being a good way to test the employer. if they insist on > > a redhat (or some other) certification, and ignore whatever other work > > you have done, they probably aren't a good place to work. > > i guess i was thinking that certification would give me some confidence > going into an interview (ie. that bit of paper works for me as well as > the employer)... but that just comes down to me not using my skills in the > real world enough, something that would make me more knowledgable and all > also provide references to back up my skills... > > > ditto goes for demanding CV's in word .doc, etc, etc > > do you think they would actually not take your CV it was .txt ?? Definately not! Having just been in the position of advertising for a position (which was for a Linux job), I was amazed that out of the 13 replies, 11 sent word files, 1 sent a text file and 1 just sent a link to their web page which contained their CV. The people sending .doc files were definately at a disadvantage, however the format of their CV was not the determining factor in choosing who got the job. Cheers, Benno -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Re: Linux Certification
> i see this as being a good way to test the employer. if they insist on > a redhat (or some other) certification, and ignore whatever other work > you have done, they probably aren't a good place to work. i guess i was thinking that certification would give me some confidence going into an interview (ie. that bit of paper works for me as well as the employer)... but that just comes down to me not using my skills in the real world enough, something that would make me more knowledgable and all also provide references to back up my skills... > ditto goes for demanding CV's in word .doc, etc, etc do you think they would actually not take your CV it was .txt ?? > if i was to interview you, i'd be much more interested in what you > knew, understood and had done. most importantly - how well you can > learn on your own. a certificate from one of these "courses" doesn't > necessarily count for much. this is very reassuring... i just have to find more guinea pigs with the "trust me, i'll be gentle" line... ;) later marty "I can't buy what I want because it's free. Can't be what they want because I'm me." - Corduroy, Pearl Jam -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Re: Linux Certification
Stuart Cooper wrote: > If companies ever send you word documents, hunt around them with > 'strings' or a binary editor like weekend-Coke and you can often find > other information hidden in the structure, which I believe is a > consequence of them using the 'quick save' function which sort of > saves the undo stuff as well?? again, excuse the M$ ignorance. If you > do find something, ring the company back and tease them with this > secret knowledge. Tell them that there's a leak in their company, > which is true enough. I always 'strings' any Werd dox sent to me, before bothering to fire up StarOffice. Usually, there's no real formatting that warrants the latter. And, oh yeah, the goodies one finds hidden inside *.DOC files! One I read contained a complete copy of confidential letter to another recipient. Must have been part of the undo buffer, when the write re-used the same file for the letter sent to me. When I told the offending party about it, panic mode! "Let's dump Word!" was the response. If only more people knew about this little privacy hole :^) -- Rick Welykochy || Praxis Services Pty Limited -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
RE: [SLUG] Re: Linux Certification
With all this in mind, this is why I have a web file version of my CV. This is OS independant as I also have done work on MACs Bit messy I know due to number of HTML files and GIFs but it works. -Original Message- From: Stuart Cooper [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, 21 August 2000 2:45 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [SLUG] Re: Linux Certification > ditto goes for demanding CV's in word .doc, etc, etc I find this an education issue also. How many recruiting mobs are there who suggect you send your resume in Microsoft format? All of them in my experience. You use a computer, you must have Microsoft Word, right? A lot of them ask for Word Version 6 format, I guess the file format from older versions is incompatible?? It wouldn't suprise me if that was the case. Some agencies ask for word any version- maybe they keep older versions running to read older files?? I don't know much about Microsoft products and I'm not about to start now. Have people on the list seen some of Bob Metcalfe's (of Ethernet fame) flamebait about Open Source (which he calls 'Open Sores'; see- the other side can make puns as well and you though Micro$oft was devestating)? I'll never forget what he said about editors- "Emacs was brilliant in the 70's, but today's programmers demand more. They need Microsoft Word, which can't be written in a weekend no matter how much Coke you drink". If companies ever send you word documents, hunt around them with 'strings' or a binary editor like weekend-Coke and you can often find other information hidden in the structure, which I believe is a consequence of them using the 'quick save' function which sort of saves the undo stuff as well?? again, excuse the M$ ignorance. If you do find something, ring the company back and tease them with this secret knowledge. Tell them that there's a leak in their company, which is true enough. One agent I spoke to once asked me if I understood the ASC2 format and I said no, I'd never heard of it. A minute after I hung up I realised the lady was reading from a job spec which mentioned a format called ASCII. She would have rung them back and said "he met the requirements but he didn't know anything about the file format" and the employers would have thought "he doesn't know ASCII? What a joker!". Doesn't matter, wasn't keen on the job anyway, but watch out for those all-knowing job agents! At least she knew some Roman Numerals. I made a similar mistake myself in Tasmania when I got on a bus and went to the "KGV" sports ground, which I pronounced to rhyme with KGB. Everyone in Tasmania understands this as KG5- it's named after King George V. I email agencies a plain text version of my resume and they import it into Word and do what they want with it (which involves gratuitously sticking the agency's logo on every page and completely stuffing up the pagination- my resume and others I have seen have often appeared out of the other end of a fax machine with final pages that have one line of text on them, or a middle page with no text whatsoever beyond the aforementioned logo). I always offer to fax through my resume which is postscript from the original LaTeX (the way God intended) but agencies are never that keen because they can't mangle it with their own logo and information. Agencies will almost always remove your personal contact details as well so that you can only be contacted through them. Obligatory certification remark: before Information Technology it was only insane people who got certified, so not much has changed. Serious companies should be able to ask you a short quiz in the interview which will give them an idea of your knowledge of a subject. Stuart. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Re: Linux Certification
> ditto goes for demanding CV's in word .doc, etc, etc I find this an education issue also. How many recruiting mobs are there who suggect you send your resume in Microsoft format? All of them in my experience. You use a computer, you must have Microsoft Word, right? A lot of them ask for Word Version 6 format, I guess the file format from older versions is incompatible?? It wouldn't suprise me if that was the case. Some agencies ask for word any version- maybe they keep older versions running to read older files?? I don't know much about Microsoft products and I'm not about to start now. Have people on the list seen some of Bob Metcalfe's (of Ethernet fame) flamebait about Open Source (which he calls 'Open Sores'; see- the other side can make puns as well and you though Micro$oft was devestating)? I'll never forget what he said about editors- "Emacs was brilliant in the 70's, but today's programmers demand more. They need Microsoft Word, which can't be written in a weekend no matter how much Coke you drink". If companies ever send you word documents, hunt around them with 'strings' or a binary editor like weekend-Coke and you can often find other information hidden in the structure, which I believe is a consequence of them using the 'quick save' function which sort of saves the undo stuff as well?? again, excuse the M$ ignorance. If you do find something, ring the company back and tease them with this secret knowledge. Tell them that there's a leak in their company, which is true enough. One agent I spoke to once asked me if I understood the ASC2 format and I said no, I'd never heard of it. A minute after I hung up I realised the lady was reading from a job spec which mentioned a format called ASCII. She would have rung them back and said "he met the requirements but he didn't know anything about the file format" and the employers would have thought "he doesn't know ASCII? What a joker!". Doesn't matter, wasn't keen on the job anyway, but watch out for those all-knowing job agents! At least she knew some Roman Numerals. I made a similar mistake myself in Tasmania when I got on a bus and went to the "KGV" sports ground, which I pronounced to rhyme with KGB. Everyone in Tasmania understands this as KG5- it's named after King George V. I email agencies a plain text version of my resume and they import it into Word and do what they want with it (which involves gratuitously sticking the agency's logo on every page and completely stuffing up the pagination- my resume and others I have seen have often appeared out of the other end of a fax machine with final pages that have one line of text on them, or a middle page with no text whatsoever beyond the aforementioned logo). I always offer to fax through my resume which is postscript from the original LaTeX (the way God intended) but agencies are never that keen because they can't mangle it with their own logo and information. Agencies will almost always remove your personal contact details as well so that you can only be contacted through them. Obligatory certification remark: before Information Technology it was only insane people who got certified, so not much has changed. Serious companies should be able to ask you a short quiz in the interview which will give them an idea of your knowledge of a subject. Stuart. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
RE: [SLUG] Re: Linux Certification
> -Original Message- > From: Angus Lees [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > i see this as being a good way to test the employer. if they insist on > a redhat (or some other) certification, and ignore whatever other work > you have done, they probably aren't a good place to work. I agree, however, it is more than likely that they have no idea what RHCE is. Certification of any sort - including NT seems to be more a *keeping up with the Jones'* rather than a company really employees who know their stuff. I know of MCSE guys who are glorified Help Desk staff - only because the company insisted that all employees have a) Tertiary Education and b) MCSE. And we all know that someone who has been out there *doing it* for 10 years is more qualified than any piece of paper. > ditto goes for demanding CV's in word .doc, etc, etc I find this an education issue also. How many recruiting mobs are their who suggect you send your resume in Microsoft format? > remember - in IT the supply/demand is the other way around: the > employer needs us more than we need them, so its really us > interviewing/choosing them. Maybe so, but until there are more of us who realise this thant those who get the piece of paper, and the more there are of us in a position to employ people who know what they're doing through experience, we still have to *play the game* somewhat. > (of course, none of this applies if you are selling yourself directly > to clients) I think this can be a much easier sell sometimes. FWIW, Des. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] Re: Linux Certification
On Mon, Aug 21, 2000 at 12:38:44PM +1000, marty wrote: > i was wondering about certifications... i have no qualifications because > i learnt for myself how to build, configure and test hardware and how to > setup, use, network (etc.) linux... but how do i prove that to an > employer without taking one of these exams, so as to have a piece of paper > to wave around ?? i see this as being a good way to test the employer. if they insist on a redhat (or some other) certification, and ignore whatever other work you have done, they probably aren't a good place to work. ditto goes for demanding CV's in word .doc, etc, etc if i was to interview you, i'd be much more interested in what you knew, understood and had done. most importantly - how well you can learn on your own. a certificate from one of these "courses" doesn't necessarily count for much. remember - in IT the supply/demand is the other way around: the employer needs us more than we need them, so its really us interviewing/choosing them. (of course, none of this applies if you are selling yourself directly to clients) -- - Gus -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
