[SLUG] Wine & setup
I have a windows based CD that I would like to install and use with Wine. The setup.exe prog crashes. What's the best way to proceed? is there anyway to extract and install without using the setup.exe program? Thanks for help. Alan -- Alan L Tyree http://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: +61 2 4782 2670 Mobile: +61 405 084 990 Fax: +61 2 4782 7092 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Wine & setup
On Tue, Apr 05, 2005 at 01:09:18PM +1000, Alan L Tyree wrote: > I have a windows based CD that I would like to install and use with > Wine. The setup.exe prog crashes. > > What's the best way to proceed? is there anyway to extract and install > without using the setup.exe program? If you have a spare Microsoft box which is relatively clean you can do the setup on that box, then move the files across yourself BUT don't just go right ahead and do the setup... do it this way: * Get a list of all the files on the Microsoft machine (before install) DIR /S C:\ > files1.txt * Dump out the entire registry as a text file (using regedit, before install) * Do the install * Get a new list of all the files DIR /S C:\ > files2.txt * Dump the entire registry as a different text file (again, using regedit) Now you need to get those dump files onto a linux box and use diff: $ diff files1.txt files2.txt | less $ diff dump1.reg dump2.reg | less Hopefully, that tells you what files you need, hopefully they aren't scattered about the place too much. Note that some registry settings may be keyed to a particular machine, some may be encrypted or encoded in some hex encoding. This isn't a guaranteed method but it gives you a fighting chance. Also note that if you install the cygwin environment on the Microsoft machine then you can use "find" to scan out the files which is better than "DIR /S" also then you get "diff" and "less" without needing to swap back and forth to Linux. - Tel ( http://bespoke.homelinux.net/ ) -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Wine & setup
On Tue, 2005-04-05 at 13:09 +1000, Alan L Tyree wrote: > I have a windows based CD that I would like to install and use with > Wine. The setup.exe prog crashes. > > What's the best way to proceed? is there anyway to extract and install > without using the setup.exe program? There's a number of ways; it's highly dependent on how the setup.exe program works. However, I happened to be looking into something for entirely separate reasons just last night and discovered this: http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;257718 Which might help you out. IIRC, the MSI installer program (instmsi.exe) does run under wine, so getting an MSI file should be enough to get you up and running. All that said, there might be an easier way depending on your app. What wine version? What program? What type of installer is it? (nullsoft, installshield, etc). HTH, James. -- My love burns for you A Thermonuclear rose Now lets go make out -- http://www.solardeathray.com/rose.html signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Wine & setup
On Tue, 05 Apr 2005 14:09:06 +1000 James Gregory <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, 2005-04-05 at 13:09 +1000, Alan L Tyree wrote: > > I have a windows based CD that I would like to install and use with > > Wine. The setup.exe prog crashes. > > > > What's the best way to proceed? is there anyway to extract and > > install without using the setup.exe program? > > There's a number of ways; it's highly dependent on how the setup.exe > program works. However, I happened to be looking into something for > entirely separate reasons just last night and discovered this: > > http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;257718 > > Which might help you out. IIRC, the MSI installer program > (instmsi.exe) does run under wine, so getting an MSI file should be > enough to get you up and running. Wine 20050310 in Debian Sarge. The disk is a legal thing from LexisNexis (we had some discussions about it earlier). Thanks. I'll give the other stuff a try and see what happens. Cheers, Alan > > All that said, there might be an easier way depending on your app. > What wine version? What program? What type of installer is it? > (nullsoft, installshield, etc). > > HTH, > > James. > > -- > My love burns for you > A Thermonuclear rose > Now lets go make out > -- http://www.solardeathray.com/rose.html > -- Alan L Tyree http://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: +61 2 4782 2670 Mobile: +61 405 084 990 Fax: +61 2 4782 7092 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Wine & setup
On Tue, 05 Apr 2005 14:09:06 +1000 James Gregory <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, 2005-04-05 at 13:09 +1000, Alan L Tyree wrote: > > I have a windows based CD that I would like to install and use with > > Wine. The setup.exe prog crashes. > > > > What's the best way to proceed? is there anyway to extract and > > install without using the setup.exe program? > > There's a number of ways; it's highly dependent on how the setup.exe > program works. However, I happened to be looking into something for > entirely separate reasons just last night and discovered this: > > http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;257718 > > Which might help you out. IIRC, the MSI installer program > (instmsi.exe) does run under wine, so getting an MSI file should be > enough to get you up and running. > > All that said, there might be an easier way depending on your app. > What wine version? What program? What type of installer is it? > (nullsoft, installshield, etc). I don't know what kind of installer it is: here is a list of the files: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ ls /cdrom browser.ex_ butterworths installer butt.ico bviews.ex_ bworth.txt change.txt comdlg16.ocx compobj.dll copy of products.lst copyrigh.txt cspictur.vbx ctl3dv2.dll custom.dct dao2516.dll dwordexp.dll fewin386.dll fewinsrv.dll foliobmp.dll folioenu.lex foliohlp.ini foliottl.dll foliowmf.dll frascgen.ini frascii.dll frascii.ini frnfo31.dll hitlist.dll hitlist.ini idmext.dll idpwpb20.dll idpwrn20.dll install.txt laingdb.dll libstub.dll lname.ini micutil.dll msg.txt nfo nwpmgr.ex_ nwsetup.exe oc25.dll ole2conv.dll ole2disp.dll ole2.dll ole2nls.dll ole2prox.dll ole2.reg picviews.ex_ pringrpo.ex_ products.bak products.lst pubmgr.ex_ qpro200.dll readme.txt refhlp.txt rights rightsmn.dll runner.ex_ scp.dll seargrpo.ex_ setup.exe setup.ini stdole.tlb stkit416.dll stkit432.dll storage.dll techhlp.txt threed16.ocx toascgen.ini toascii.dll toascii.ini tonfo31.dll toolbelt.dll tortf.dll towp52.dll towp60.dll towp60.ini typelib.dll update.txt vaen21.olb vb40016.dll vbascrol.vbx ver.dll views.ini vshare.386 wksetup.ex_ wscript.ex_ wwordexp.dll > > HTH, > > James. > > -- > My love burns for you > A Thermonuclear rose > Now lets go make out > -- http://www.solardeathray.com/rose.html > -- Alan L Tyree http://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: +61 2 4782 2670 Mobile: +61 405 084 990 Fax: +61 2 4782 7092 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Wine & setup
On Tue, 2005-04-05 at 14:39 +1000, Alan L Tyree wrote: > On Tue, 05 Apr 2005 14:09:06 +1000 > James Gregory <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Tue, 2005-04-05 at 13:09 +1000, Alan L Tyree wrote: > > > I have a windows based CD that I would like to install and use with > > > Wine. The setup.exe prog crashes. > > > > > > What's the best way to proceed? is there anyway to extract and > > > install without using the setup.exe program? > > > > There's a number of ways; it's highly dependent on how the setup.exe > > program works. However, I happened to be looking into something for > > entirely separate reasons just last night and discovered this: > > > > http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;257718 > > > > Which might help you out. IIRC, the MSI installer program > > (instmsi.exe) does run under wine, so getting an MSI file should be > > enough to get you up and running. > > > > All that said, there might be an easier way depending on your app. > > What wine version? What program? What type of installer is it? > > (nullsoft, installshield, etc). > > I don't know what kind of installer it is: here is a list of the files: > [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ ls /cdrom > setup.exe > stdole.tlb Those two files make me suspect that it's InstallShield (which is pretty likely; it's very common). InstallShield installers don't work properly right now because of some issues with type-marshalling (the .tlb file is the giveaway; that's the marshalled types) and dcom. Fortunately it's a common problem, so there are some partial solutions. I believe if you install dcom98 in your fake windows partition from the .exe available here: http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=08b1ac1b-7a11-43e8-b59d-0867f9bdda66&DisplayLang=en and copy a stdole32.tlb file from a 'real' windows partition (presumably to somewhere under 'windows' in your fake windows directory; you'll need to check up on that), it will work. If you search for 'installshield wine' on google, you'll find a bunch of useful information on it. The other option is a utility called 'i6comp', which is floating around. It just extracts the files from an InstallShield installer. It is in turn a windows application, but will run out of the box with wine. The other option is preferable though, because it will actually set the various registry entries your program will need. It's likely you'll need to do extra tinkering if you go down the i6comp route. HTH, James. -- My love burns for you A Thermonuclear rose Now lets go make out -- http://www.solardeathray.com/rose.html signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Wine & setup
On Tue, 05 Apr 2005 15:52:18 +1000 James Gregory <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, 2005-04-05 at 14:39 +1000, Alan L Tyree wrote: > > On Tue, 05 Apr 2005 14:09:06 +1000 > > James Gregory <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > On Tue, 2005-04-05 at 13:09 +1000, Alan L Tyree wrote: > > > > I have a windows based CD that I would like to install and use > > > > with Wine. The setup.exe prog crashes. > > setup.exe > > stdole.tlb > > Those two files make me suspect that it's InstallShield (which is > pretty likely; it's very common). InstallShield installers don't work > properly right now because of some issues with type-marshalling (the > .tlb file is the giveaway; that's the marshalled types) and dcom. > Fortunately it's a common problem, so there are some partial > solutions. > > I believe if you install dcom98 in your fake windows partition from > the .exe available here: > > http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=08b1ac1b-7a11-43e8-b59d-0867f9bdda66&DisplayLang=en > > and copy a stdole32.tlb file from a 'real' windows partition > (presumably to somewhere under 'windows' in your fake windows > directory; you'll need to check up on that), it will work. If you > search for 'installshield wine' on google, you'll find a bunch of > useful information on it. > > The other option is a utility called 'i6comp', which is floating > around. It just extracts the files from an InstallShield installer. It > is in turn a windows application, but will run out of the box with > wine. The other option is preferable though, because it will actually > set the various registry entries your program will need. It's likely > you'll need to do extra tinkering if you go down the i6comp route. Many thanks James. I'll give it a go and report back. Cheers, Alan > > HTH, > > James. > > -- > My love burns for you > A Thermonuclear rose > Now lets go make out > -- http://www.solardeathray.com/rose.html > -- Alan L Tyree http://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: +61 2 4782 2670 Mobile: +61 405 084 990 Fax: +61 2 4782 7092 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Wine & setup
At Tue, 5 Apr 2005 13:09:18 +1000, Alan L Tyree wrote:
> I have a windows based CD that I would like to install and use with
> Wine. The setup.exe prog crashes.
> What's the best way to proceed? is there anyway to extract and install
> without using the setup.exe program?
MSI is actually one of the most difficult programs for wine to deal
with (it exercises all sorts of horrible win32 IPC mechanisms).
*Latest* wine versions have the beginnings of support for MSI,
including a custom msiexec program somewhere.
Most (non-MSI) Windows installers are either self extracting zips or
one of those .cab thingies. Native linux extractors for these archive
formats exist and if you have some recognisable format I'd try them
next.
Failing that you can try to work out which DLL the crash is occurring
in ("bt" in the winedebugger will give you a backtrace) and perhaps
try switching to/from wine and real Windows DLLs. Various values for
the WINEDEBUG environment variable may help here too (see manpage).
Good luck ;)
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