[SLUG] X forwarding over ssh

2003-03-04 Thread David Fitch

Hi all,

can I have X forwarding over ssh such that it works from
desktop to desktop machines with 2 firewalls in between?

ie.
desktop1 -- fw1 --internet-- fw2 -- desktop2

and desktop 1 and 2 have private IP addresses (on different
subnets etc as well).  fw 1 and 2 have real IP addresses.

So far when I try this, my display var starts off set to
:0 on desktop1, I ssh -X to fw2, display var is now not
set so no X apps start.  I manually set the DISPLAY to
export DISPLAY=`echo $SSH_CLIENT | awk '{print $1:0}'`
but the trouble is it is the IP address of fw1 which not
surprisingly rejects the connection.

So what am I doing wrong?

ta,
Dave.

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Re: [SLUG] X forwarding over ssh

2003-03-04 Thread mlh

 So what am I doing wrong?

Nothing unless you're the admin of fw2.

fw2 probably has X11Forwarding off in it's /etc/ssh/sshd_config

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Re: [SLUG] X forwarding over ssh

2003-03-04 Thread David Fitch
On Wed, 2003-03-05 at 10:00, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  So what am I doing wrong?
 
 Nothing unless you're the admin of fw2.
 
 fw2 probably has X11Forwarding off in it's /etc/ssh/sshd_config

no it's set to yes.
the bit I don't get is how does it end up back on my desktop1
box?  (ie. back through fw1)

on the remote machine my display var is always empty yet the
ssh man page says it should be automatically looked after
and set.  If I manually set it then it tries to connect
back to fw1 on port 6000 which is rejected.  Ie. it appears
to me it's not using ssh X forwarding at all.

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Re: [SLUG] X forwarding over ssh

2003-03-04 Thread Colin Humphreys
On Wed, Mar 05, 2003 at 10:09:35AM +1030, David Fitch wrote:
 On Wed, 2003-03-05 at 10:00, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  fw2 probably has X11Forwarding off in it's /etc/ssh/sshd_config
 
 no it's set to yes.
 the bit I don't get is how does it end up back on my desktop1
 box?  (ie. back through fw1)
 
 on the remote machine my display var is always empty yet the
 ssh man page says it should be automatically looked after
 and set.  If I manually set it then it tries to connect
 back to fw1 on port 6000 which is rejected.  Ie. it appears
 to me it's not using ssh X forwarding at all.

Does the remote box have xauth. X11Forwarding needs that. Try
running your ssh client with a bit more -v -v verbosness.
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Re: [SLUG] X forwarding over ssh

2003-03-04 Thread David Fitch
On Wed, 2003-03-05 at 10:22, Colin Humphreys wrote:
 Does the remote box have xauth. X11Forwarding needs that. Try
 running your ssh client with a bit more -v -v verbosness.

yes xauth is in the path on all boxes.

here's the verbose output (private bits XXX'd out)
note in this case lisa is the remote firewall machine
since I have to ssh to that first then ssh to the remote
desktop machine, but for the moment I'm just trying to
get xterm to run on lisa but display on my local desktop.

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ ssh -v -X lisa
OpenSSH_3.4p1 Debian 1:3.4p1-1, SSH protocols 1.5/2.0, OpenSSL
0x0090603f
debug1: Reading configuration data /etc/ssh/ssh_config
debug1: Applying options for *
debug1: Rhosts Authentication disabled, originating port will not be
trusted.
debug1: ssh_connect: needpriv 0
debug1: Connecting to lisa [XXXpublic IP addressXXX] port 22.
debug1: Connection established.
debug1: identity file /home/davidf/.ssh/identity type -1
debug1: identity file /home/davidf/.ssh/id_rsa type -1
debug1: identity file /home/davidf/.ssh/id_dsa type -1
debug1: Remote protocol version 1.99, remote software version
OpenSSH_3.5p1
debug1: match: OpenSSH_3.5p1 pat OpenSSH*
Enabling compatibility mode for protocol 2.0
debug1: Local version string SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_3.4p1 Debian 1:3.4p1-1
debug1: SSH2_MSG_KEXINIT sent
debug1: SSH2_MSG_KEXINIT received
debug1: kex: server-client aes128-cbc hmac-md5 none
debug1: kex: client-server aes128-cbc hmac-md5 none
debug1: SSH2_MSG_KEX_DH_GEX_REQUEST sent
debug1: expecting SSH2_MSG_KEX_DH_GEX_GROUP
debug1: dh_gen_key: priv key bits set: 131/256
debug1: bits set: 1614/3191
debug1: SSH2_MSG_KEX_DH_GEX_INIT sent
debug1: expecting SSH2_MSG_KEX_DH_GEX_REPLY
debug1: Host 'lisa' is known and matches the RSA host key.
debug1: Found key in /home/davidf/.ssh/known_hosts:6
debug1: bits set: 1619/3191
debug1: ssh_rsa_verify: signature correct
debug1: kex_derive_keys
debug1: newkeys: mode 1
debug1: SSH2_MSG_NEWKEYS sent
debug1: waiting for SSH2_MSG_NEWKEYS
debug1: newkeys: mode 0
debug1: SSH2_MSG_NEWKEYS received
debug1: done: ssh_kex2.
debug1: send SSH2_MSG_SERVICE_REQUEST
debug1: service_accept: ssh-userauth
debug1: got SSH2_MSG_SERVICE_ACCEPT
debug1: authentications that can continue:
publickey,password,keyboard-interactive
debug1: next auth method to try is publickey
debug1: try privkey: /home/davidf/.ssh/identity
debug1: try privkey: /home/davidf/.ssh/id_rsa
debug1: try privkey: /home/davidf/.ssh/id_dsa
debug1: next auth method to try is keyboard-interactive
debug1: authentications that can continue:
publickey,password,keyboard-interactive
debug1: next auth method to try is password
[EMAIL PROTECTED]'s password: 
debug1: ssh-userauth2 successful: method password

and now I'm logged in.  Before doing the ssh my DISPLAY
var was set to :0, now on lisa it is not set, and not
surprisingly xterm fails to work.  According to all the
man pages/faqs/googles I can find it should just work...

Dave.

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Re: [SLUG] X forwarding over ssh

2003-03-04 Thread mlh
On Wed, Mar 05, 2003 at 10:38:30AM +1030, David Fitch wrote:
 [ . ]
 publickey,password,keyboard-interactive
 debug1: next auth method to try is password
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]'s password: 
 debug1: ssh-userauth2 successful: method password
 
 and now I'm logged in.  Before doing the ssh my DISPLAY
 var was set to :0, now on lisa it is not set, and not
 surprisingly xterm fails to work.  According to all the
 man pages/faqs/googles I can find it should just work...

It looks like your ssh is not requesting X forwarding,
regardless of the -X flag.

I get a debug1: Requesting X11 forwarding with authentication spoofing.
when I tried -v -v -X here, even when it is denied from
the other side.

The lack of the DISPLAY variable also points to this.
Typically, it will be something like lisa:10.

So why is your ssh not asking for X11 forwarding?
Maybe there's an option in your local .ssh config
(personal or /etc/ssh/ssh_config which says not
to ask for X)  Or maybe it doesn't know you using
X at the local end.  I presume the DISPLAY is exported.
You could try setting it explicitly:
export DISPLAY=desktop1:0
and try again.


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Re: [SLUG] X forwarding over ssh

2003-03-04 Thread David Fitch
On Wed, 2003-03-05 at 12:27, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 It looks like your ssh is not requesting X forwarding,
 regardless of the -X flag.

sorry, it appears I chopped off the end of the debug output in
my previous email.  After I enter my password I get:

[EMAIL PROTECTED]'s password: 
debug1: ssh-userauth2 successful: method password
debug1: channel 0: new [client-session]
debug1: send channel open 0
debug1: Entering interactive session.
debug1: ssh_session2_setup: id 0
debug1: channel request 0: pty-req
debug1: Requesting X11 forwarding with authentication spoofing.
debug1: channel request 0: x11-req
debug1: Requesting authentication agent forwarding.
debug1: channel request 0: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
debug1: channel request 0: shell
debug1: fd 3 setting TCP_NODELAY
debug1: channel 0: open confirm rwindow 0 rmax 32768
Last login: Wed Apr  2 11:59:28 2003 from X

so no errors I can see but DISPLAY is still unset.
Before doing the ssh, it doesn't matter if DISPLAY is
set to :0 or mydesktop:0, it gets lost after the ssh.

h maybe something funny is happening with xauth??
I noticed doing ssh -v -v -X lisa it's displaying:
debug2: x11_get_proto /usr/bin/X11/xauth list spiral:0 2/dev/null

this appears one line before the requesting X11 forwarding
message.  Is that running on my local desktop or the remote
machine?  cos manually doing xauth list on my desktop returns
various stuff but doing it on the remote machine returns nothing,
and there is no .Xauthority file in my home dir on the remote
machine, but there is on my local desktop one...

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Re: [SLUG] X forwarding over ssh

2003-03-04 Thread mlh
On Wed, Mar 05, 2003 at 01:18:15PM +1030, David Fitch wrote:
 h maybe something funny is happening with xauth??
 I noticed doing ssh -v -v -X lisa it's displaying:
 debug2: x11_get_proto /usr/bin/X11/xauth list spiral:0 2/dev/null

What is spiral?

 this appears one line before the requesting X11 forwarding
 message.  Is that running on my local desktop or the remote
 machine?  cos manually doing xauth list on my desktop returns
 various stuff but doing it on the remote machine returns nothing,
 and there is no .Xauthority file in my home dir on the remote
 machine, but there is on my local desktop one...

Permissions problem?  Maybe you can't write to your own
home dir to write the .Xauthority file?

Firewall?  Ssh has to listen to the forwarding port (6000 + DISPLAY screen)
i.e. localhost:6010 on the destination machine.

Try netcat (nc -p 6010 -l) to this works.

Running out of ideas ...


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Re: [SLUG] X forwarding over ssh

2003-03-04 Thread David Fitch
On Wed, 2003-03-05 at 14:53, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Wed, Mar 05, 2003 at 01:18:15PM +1030, David Fitch wrote:
  h maybe something funny is happening with xauth??
  I noticed doing ssh -v -v -X lisa it's displaying:
  debug2: x11_get_proto /usr/bin/X11/xauth list spiral:0 2/dev/null
 
 What is spiral?

my local desktop machine

  this appears one line before the requesting X11 forwarding
  message.  Is that running on my local desktop or the remote
  machine?  cos manually doing xauth list on my desktop returns
  various stuff but doing it on the remote machine returns nothing,
  and there is no .Xauthority file in my home dir on the remote
  machine, but there is on my local desktop one...
 
 Permissions problem?  Maybe you can't write to your own
 home dir to write the .Xauthority file?

no I can create an empty one, I copied root's .Xauthority
and did xauth merge to create one for me so I have one
now - but of course all that should have just happened.

 Firewall?  Ssh has to listen to the forwarding port (6000 + DISPLAY screen)
 i.e. localhost:6010 on the destination machine.
 
 Try netcat (nc -p 6010 -l) to this works.
 
 Running out of ideas ...

I'm suspecting the firewall at the remote end at the moment,
(think it's blocking too much internal stuff rather than just
external) gonna try and talk to the guy who's looking after that.
Thanks for the ideas and help.

Dave.

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Re: [SLUG] X forwarding over ssh

2003-03-04 Thread Anthony Wood
On Wed, 2003-03-05 at 15:31, David Fitch wrote:
 On Wed, 2003-03-05 at 14:53, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  On Wed, Mar 05, 2003 at 01:18:15PM +1030, David Fitch wrote:
   h maybe something funny is happening with xauth??

snip

  Running out of ideas ...

This might be an idea

Recent debians disable remote X connections by default, you
have to remove the nolisten flag in the X startup scripts (Xdm  startx)

howto: see http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-tune.en.html#s-xtcp
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