[SLUG] finance under linux
Hi All, After cracking the shits that my mother-in-law is forever telling her friends that I work with computers and ending up coming home every night to fix someone elses computer problems, I have decided to get myself and ABN and start charging for the privilege (and as I found out 4 weeks ago that I am having my first baby the money will come in very handy too). Now I guess most of this will only come in useful when/if I get Debian running fully under my ibook, but is anyone running their business finances under linux? I am not registered for GST as this will only be a part time thing, but is there any GST software under linux? I would be very interested in finding out how/if people are doing this, to what extent it works for them, any problems or advise about using this software under linux and what software they are using? Cheers, Adam. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] finance under linux
Adam Hewitt wrote: Hi All, After cracking the shits that my mother-in-law is forever telling her friends that I work with computers and ending up coming home every night to fix someone elses computer problems, I have decided to get myself and ABN and start charging for the privilege (and as I found out 4 weeks ago that I am having my first baby the money will come in very handy too). Now I guess most of this will only come in useful when/if I get Debian running fully under my ibook, but is anyone running their business finances under linux? I am not registered for GST as this will only be a part time thing, but is there any GST software under linux? I would be very interested in finding out how/if people are doing this, to what extent it works for them, any problems or advise about using this software under linux and what software they are using? As would Ia couple of messages ago, there was mention of SQL-Ledger which I have not looked into yet but intend to do so Cheers, Adam. -- Phil Scarratt Draxsen Technologies IT Contractor -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] finance under linux
On 2/09/2003 9:53 AM +0800, Adam Hewitt wrote: Hi All, After cracking the shits that my mother-in-law is forever telling her friends that I work with computers and ending up coming home every night to fix someone elses computer problems, I have decided to get myself and ABN and start charging for the privilege (and as I found out 4 weeks ago that I am having my first baby the money will come in very handy too). Congratulations! :) Now I guess most of this will only come in useful when/if I get Debian running fully under my ibook, but is anyone running their business finances under linux? I am not registered for GST as this will only be a part time thing, but is there any GST software under linux? Not me. I use Quickbooks on Windows. It would make my day if there was something for Linux that does what Quickbooks can do (in its user friendly manner, preferably) but afaik there is none. You could run Quickbooks under WINE, I guess. I would be very interested in finding out how/if people are doing this, to what extent it works for them, any problems or advise about using this software under linux and what software they are using? There was a mention of SQL Ledger. I had a good look at the online demo and unfortunately it doesn't seem to suit my needs. There are some key features that I need for billing my clients (such as recurring billing, reminders of overdue invoices, etc) which are not in said program. I'm no Quickbooks fan, but of all the accounting software out there Quickbooks is the most affordable (imho) and has the bare essential features needed to bill clients and produce the right information for the tax return && BAS. HTH. Regards, Gonzalo -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] finance under linux
Gonzalo Servat wrote: On 2/09/2003 9:53 AM +0800, Adam Hewitt wrote: Hi All, After cracking the shits that my mother-in-law is forever telling her friends that I work with computers and ending up coming home every night to fix someone elses computer problems, I have decided to get myself and ABN and start charging for the privilege (and as I found out 4 weeks ago that I am having my first baby the money will come in very handy too). Congratulations! :) Now I guess most of this will only come in useful when/if I get Debian running fully under my ibook, but is anyone running their business finances under linux? I am not registered for GST as this will only be a part time thing, but is there any GST software under linux? Not me. I use Quickbooks on Windows. It would make my day if there was something for Linux that does what Quickbooks can do (in its user friendly manner, preferably) but afaik there is none. You could run Quickbooks under WINE, I guess. I would be very interested in finding out how/if people are doing this, to what extent it works for them, any problems or advise about using this software under linux and what software they are using? There was a mention of SQL Ledger. I had a good look at the online demo and unfortunately it doesn't seem to suit my needs. There are some key features that I need for billing my clients (such as recurring billing, reminders of overdue invoices, etc) which are not in said program. I'm no Quickbooks fan, but of all the accounting software out there Quickbooks is the most affordable (imho) and has the bare essential features needed to bill clients and produce the right information for the tax return && BAS. HTH. Regards, Gonzalo I remember a thread awhile ago mentioned something about MYOB under wine - some people seem to be having success. -- Phil Scarratt Draxsen Technologies IT Contractor 0403 53 12 71 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] finance under linux
On Tue, 2003-09-02 at 12:23, Phil Scarratt wrote: > I remember a thread awhile ago mentioned something about MYOB under wine > - some people seem to be having success. > I've used MYOB under win4lin. It works single user AOK. Multi-user - don't go there. MYOB uses the weirdest, most useless inter-multi-user comms protocol thingo I've seen to date. I think is is a throw back to it's legacy as a single user product. Why they don't just go client/server (or even better J2EE) is beyond me. We're looking at dumping it if at all poss. as it keeps corrupting itself if too many users are on. The funniest thing I read recently was a response from one of their tech persons which did the whole is the.. hardware /software /memory /network /cpu /virus thing in one email. Apparently the flakiness is due to anyone but... MYOB. Stu -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] finance under linux
Stuart Guthrie wrote: On Tue, 2003-09-02 at 12:23, Phil Scarratt wrote: I remember a thread awhile ago mentioned something about MYOB under wine - some people seem to be having success. I've used MYOB under win4lin. It works single user AOK. Multi-user - don't go there. MYOB uses the weirdest, most useless inter-multi-user comms protocol thingo I've seen to date. I think is is a throw back to it's legacy as a single user product. Why they don't just go client/server (or even better J2EE) is beyond me. We're looking at dumping it if at all poss. as it keeps corrupting itself if too many users are on. The funniest thing I read recently was a response from one of their tech persons which did the whole is the.. hardware /software /memory /network /cpu /virus thing in one email. Apparently the flakiness is due to anyone but... MYOB. Stu Always thought MYOB multi-user setup was wrong...and of course MYOB is never at fault... -- Phil Scarratt Draxsen Technologies IT Contractor 0403 53 12 71 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] finance under linux
You might want to have a look at the gnucash (http://www.gnucash.org). I'm not sure if it handles GST though. rgh On Tue, 2003-09-02 at 11:53, Adam Hewitt wrote: > Hi All, > > After cracking the shits that my mother-in-law is forever telling her > friends that I work with computers and ending up coming home every night > to fix someone elses computer problems, I have decided to get myself and > ABN and start charging for the privilege (and as I found out 4 weeks ago > that I am having my first baby the money will come in very handy too). > > Now I guess most of this will only come in useful when/if I get Debian > running fully under my ibook, but is anyone running their business > finances under linux? I am not registered for GST as this will only be a > part time thing, but is there any GST software under linux? > > I would be very interested in finding out how/if people are doing this, > to what extent it works for them, any problems or advise about using > this software under linux and what software they are using? > > Cheers, > > Adam. -- "It is possible to make things of great complexity out of things that are very simple. There is no conservation of simplicity" -- Stephen Wolfram Richard Heycock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> tel : 0410 646 369 key fingerprint : 909D CBFA C669 AC2F A937 AFA4 661B 9D21 EAAB 4291 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] finance under linux
On Tue, 2 Sep 2003, Phil Scarratt wrote: > > > > The funniest thing I read recently was a response from one of their tech > > persons which did the whole is the.. hardware /software /memory /network > > /cpu /virus thing in one email. Apparently the flakiness is due to > > anyone but... MYOB. > > > > > > Stu > > > > Always thought MYOB multi-user setup was wrong...and of course MYOB is > never at fault... I used MYOB for years and last year switched to SQL-Ledger.. what a relief! I don't push the software very hard as my requirements are quite simple. However, it's great to get SUPPORT, which I never got from MYOB. If I have a problem I post to the very active SL mailing list. I've also payed for for the support/documentation package from the author/maintainer, a guy by the name of Dieter Simader. If I post a problem this guy replies from my mailing list query within 24 hours. One minor bug that I found was fixed by return email. Try getting THAT from MYOB. Like all OSS there are guys out there writing bugfixes and modules. Recurring invoices has been discussed recently, but it's not something that bothers me so I'm not sure what it's status is. It's a classic case of why you want to get out of proprietry and into OSS. It's NOT about whether you pay (which I did), it's about stability, flexibility and support. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] finance under linux
On Tue, 2003-09-02 at 13:01, Richard Heycock wrote: > You might want to have a look at the gnucash (http://www.gnucash.org). > I'm not sure if it handles GST though. I maintain my company books using GnuCash at the moment and it handles GST nicely. It does not have GST/BAS specific functionality, but being a real double entry system make it a breeze to track all the numbers. Of course, YMMV. -- Bruce Badger OpenSkills.com signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] finance under linux
do any of these tools work with the cli? just a quicky cause I'd be interested in looking these things over. but as some of you are aware I can't use the gui under linux as yet. anyways just thought I'd ask, -- Shaun Oliver "Becareful of the toes u step on today, they maybe connected to the ass you have to kiss tomorrow!" EMAIL: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 76958435 YAHOO: blindman01_2000 MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] AIM: captain nemo 200 IRC: irc.awesomechat.net: IRCNICK: blindman CHANNELS: #awesomeradio #mircpopup-magic #linux #help #ourworld #audiofile #mauisun -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] finance under linux
> do any of these tools work with the cli? > just a quicky cause I'd be interested in looking these things over. > but as some of you are aware I can't use the gui under linux as yet. I hear that Gnucash is being ported to GTK+/GNOME 2.x, which provides deeply integrated accessibility support. GNOME 2.4 will ship with (usable but not 100% complete) accessibility tools such as the on-screen keyboard, a speech synthesis screen reader, braille interface and integrated magnifier. So perhaps in the near future you'll be able to use Gnucash. :-) The accessibility team is *very* interested in feedback, so if you feel like joining our intrepid testing team, please leap right in! http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list/ - Jeff -- linux.conf.au 2004: Adelaide, Australia http://lca2004.linux.org.au/ Great minds think different? -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] finance under linux
On Tuesday 02 September 2003 11:53 am, Adam Hewitt wrote: > Hi All, > > After cracking the shits that my mother-in-law is forever telling her > friends that I work with computers and ending up coming home every night > to fix someone elses computer problems, I have decided to get myself and > ABN and start charging for the privilege (and as I found out 4 weeks ago > that I am having my first baby the money will come in very handy too). > > Now I guess most of this will only come in useful when/if I get Debian > running fully under my ibook, but is anyone running their business > finances under linux? I am not registered for GST as this will only be a > part time thing, but is there any GST software under linux? > > I would be very interested in finding out how/if people are doing this, > to what extent it works for them, any problems or advise about using > this software under linux and what software they are using? > > Cheers, > > Adam. Use Gnucash! (Current version 1.8.5) (its great, mate) Come & join the revolution. (It is not set up directly for GST, but could be. Until then, you can transfer 1/11 of the account into a GST tracking account, so set up an asset & liability pair of GST accounts that should cancel out every accounting period.) There are probably others that can explain better how to set it up, but please copy to the gnucash list, as your explanation may go into documentation to assist others. NB: For non-Australian readers, GST is our Goods & Services Tax. It is currently set at 10% (hence 1/11 of the total) Businesses claim GST credits on money spent in the business, & pay GST on the goods/services sold, so the govt accrues the difference. (Explanation simplified: I wish it were that simple!) regards Doug -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] finance under linux
On Tuesday 02 September 2003 12:17 pm, Gonzalo Servat wrote: > On 2/09/2003 9:53 AM +0800, Adam Hewitt wrote: > > Hi All, > > > > After cracking the shits that my mother-in-law is forever telling her > > friends that I work with computers and ending up coming home every night > > to fix someone elses computer problems, I have decided to get myself and > > ABN and start charging for the privilege (and as I found out 4 weeks ago > > that I am having my first baby the money will come in very handy too). > > Congratulations! :) > > > Now I guess most of this will only come in useful when/if I get Debian > > running fully under my ibook, but is anyone running their business > > finances under linux? I am not registered for GST as this will only be a > > part time thing, but is there any GST software under linux? > > Not me. I use Quickbooks on Windows. It would make my day if there was > something for Linux that does what Quickbooks can do (in its user friendly > manner, preferably) but afaik there is none. You could run Quickbooks under > WINE, I guess. > > > I would be very interested in finding out how/if people are doing this, > > to what extent it works for them, any problems or advise about using > > this software under linux and what software they are using? > > There was a mention of SQL Ledger. I had a good look at the online demo and > unfortunately it doesn't seem to suit my needs. There are some key features > that I need for billing my clients (such as recurring billing, reminders of > overdue invoices, etc) which are not in said program. > > I'm no Quickbooks fan, but of all the accounting software out there > Quickbooks is the most affordable (imho) and has the bare essential > features needed to bill clients and produce the right information for the > tax return && BAS. > > HTH. > > Regards, > Gonzalo All this & more in Gnucash! (reputedly better than Qbooks!) regards Doug -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] finance under linux
well I just installed Gnucash and cranked her up and it bombed out with this error... Gdk-WARNING **: locale not supported by C library The font "-adobe-helvetica-medium-r-normal--*-120-*-*-*-*-*-*" does not support all the required character sets for the current locale "C" (Missing character set "ISO8859-1") Warniong: gnucash_style_set_register...(): Cannot load font: -adobe-helvetica-medium-r-normal--*-120-*-*-*-*-*-* [similar 5 more times] ?? Cheers, Adam. On Fri, 2003-09-05 at 02:34, Derek Atkins wrote: > Hi, > > Elizabeth Dodd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > I was experimenting with gnucash to see if i could do office billing with it > > for a medical practice. my education is in very practical things, not > > accounting, and as usual when experimenting with software i didn't read any > > documentation (what's new?). it took me many tries to add a customer and many > > more to make an invoice. that's why i think it isn't intuitive. > > Hmm.. Could you provide more information about this? I'm a bit > too close to the UI, so I know how everything is supposed to work. > However I tried to make the flow work "naturally". Could you perhaps > explain what was going through your head? What did you try? What > did you expect to happen? How did what actually happened confuse you? > > I'm trying to understand what you did (and why) so I can improve the > UI to help users along when they do something I didn't expect ;) > > Perhaps what we really need is a druid to "configure a company". > > > after the event i realised that i was missing many things - that it was > > pointless trying to add customers without the concept of accounts receivable > > in use. > > Well, you can create a customer before you create an AR account, but > yea, you need an AR account before you can post any invoices. > > > checking now, the customer is requested as a company, but i wanted to be able > > to bill individuals, and they would fall into groups (families) and they need > > to be able to change groups (eg leave home and be billed under their own > > name) > > Yes, this is true.. Customers (and Vendors) are considered > "companies", and the UI is designed with that in mind. There is now a > tooltip that will inform you that you should set the company name and > contact name the same to get the invoice system to treat it as an > individual. > > Also, gnucahs does not have the concept of "families"... There is no > way to group a bunch of customers together into a single bill. One > way you COULD do it is to use the patient's name as the "company name" > and the family name as the "contact name". It's a kludge, but it's > probably the closest you'll get.. > > The business features were written for me to use with my consulting > company... I tried to generalize it, but you know how it goes. :) > > > I am a small part of a group building medical software (gnumed) and we will > > eventually be needing gnucash for the other part of our daily work. > > Ok... Not sure what this means, but ok.. :) > > > Liz > > -derek -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
