Re: [SLUG] Synchronizing from Windows to Linux
not to split hairs but I mentioned rsync being more efficient as it only copies changed bits. Problem with just using Xcopy is it doesn't support ftp (afaik I could be proved wrong) I guess you could mount the FTP drive with the old netdrive, but me I would prefer to do it with as few tools as possible, with as little user interaction as possible. The little user interaction is also why I did the /m switch on xcopy, it copies only changed files, using the archive bit as a marker, as whenever a file in windows is changed the archive bit is reset. On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 8:24 PM, Kevin Shackleton kev...@reachnet.com.auwrote: with xcopy I use /d (only copy files with newer date). Actually I use: /d /s /y. Maybe these aren't optimal? No-one has mentioned that rsync is actually VERY CLEVER at minimising bandwidth and proudly announces at the end of the sync job that it's done something like 1% of the bandwidth (therefore also time) that might be consumed otherwise. If it works against an rsync daemon at the other end. Kevin. On Tue, 2009-05-26 at 12:11 +1000, Morgan Storey wrote: Windows has the archive bit built in. You could simply xcopy/robocopy any files with the archive bit to a staging directory then ftp up that eg: *xcopy path:\to\Files\ path:\to\staging /m /e /v /c /y* Then use your favourite scriptable ftp client to upload it, there are a few out there, I think you can even use windows built in one, but I don't tend to play with that. On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 11:59 AM, Andre Kolodochka kol...@gmail.com wrote: ftp is the last resort, rsync is obviously a better one. Also, not aware of good tools that would check the differences in directory trees and update only the files that are different over ftp. Andre. 2009/5/26 Dean Hamstead d...@fragfest.com.au: why not use ftp then? Dean Andre Kolodochka wrote: Is there something not necessarily based on rsync? ftp, for example? Andre. 2009/5/26 Christopher Vance cjsva...@gmail.com: On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 9:55 AM, Alan L Tyree a...@austlii.edu.au wrote: I use unison: http://www.cis.upenn.edu/~bcpierce/unison/http://www.cis.upenn.edu/%7Ebcpierce/unison/ http://www.cis.upenn.edu/%7Ebcpierce/unison/ It claims to run on Windows, but I have no experience with that. It does. I've used it on Ubuntu, Windows, OpenBSD, MacOS, and Solaris. The biggest problem with Unison is that the protocol changes so frequently that you may have difficulty finding precompiled versions for your different operating systems which run compatible protocols. It may be easier to compile from source, but then you'll need to have ocaml compilers on the relevant machines... -- Christopher Vance -- http://fragfest.com.au -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Synchronizing from Windows to Linux
What's the difference? I have My Documents (or any other directory with precious files) with all subfolders, which I want to be also stored somewhere else, so when my drive blows up I can get all that stuff back. And any changes in any file under My Documents should be reflected in the copy on remote server when I do run some sync tool. When I had a network drive, I simply used MS SyncToy to sync with a directory on networked drive. I also use rsync at work to copy the changes that were done overnight to files on remote RH box and copy them over to local Centos server. So I thought rsync Windows client sort of tool might do the job, that's why I mentioned rsync. FTP might work, but I haven't seen tools that would ftp in and compare the whole tree on remote host and local drive and replicate the changes. Although I've found Synchromagic (http://www.gelosoft.com/adescr.html) today, will try that. Andre. 2009/5/27 Matthew Hannigan m...@zip.com.au: Well, do you want just to do backups or are you looking for something fancier? Your original mail mentioned only backups in the body (as I recall) but you use the synchronising in the subject line. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Synchronizing from Windows to Linux
with xcopy I use /d (only copy files with newer date). Actually I use: /d /s /y. Maybe these aren't optimal? No-one has mentioned that rsync is actually VERY CLEVER at minimising bandwidth and proudly announces at the end of the sync job that it's done something like 1% of the bandwidth (therefore also time) that might be consumed otherwise. If it works against an rsync daemon at the other end. Kevin. On Tue, 2009-05-26 at 12:11 +1000, Morgan Storey wrote: Windows has the archive bit built in. You could simply xcopy/robocopy any files with the archive bit to a staging directory then ftp up that eg: *xcopy path:\to\Files\ path:\to\staging /m /e /v /c /y* Then use your favourite scriptable ftp client to upload it, there are a few out there, I think you can even use windows built in one, but I don't tend to play with that. On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 11:59 AM, Andre Kolodochka kol...@gmail.com wrote: ftp is the last resort, rsync is obviously a better one. Also, not aware of good tools that would check the differences in directory trees and update only the files that are different over ftp. Andre. 2009/5/26 Dean Hamstead d...@fragfest.com.au: why not use ftp then? Dean Andre Kolodochka wrote: Is there something not necessarily based on rsync? ftp, for example? Andre. 2009/5/26 Christopher Vance cjsva...@gmail.com: On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 9:55 AM, Alan L Tyree a...@austlii.edu.au wrote: I use unison: http://www.cis.upenn.edu/~bcpierce/unison/http://www.cis.upenn.edu/%7Ebcpierce/unison/ It claims to run on Windows, but I have no experience with that. It does. I've used it on Ubuntu, Windows, OpenBSD, MacOS, and Solaris. The biggest problem with Unison is that the protocol changes so frequently that you may have difficulty finding precompiled versions for your different operating systems which run compatible protocols. It may be easier to compile from source, but then you'll need to have ocaml compilers on the relevant machines... -- Christopher Vance -- http://fragfest.com.au -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Synchronizing from Windows to Linux
On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 11:24:43AM +1000, Andre Kolodochka wrote: Is there something not necessarily based on rsync? ftp, for example? Andre. Well, do you want just to do backups or are you looking for something fancier? Your original mail mentioned only backups in the body (as I recall) but you use the synchronising in the subject line. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Synchronizing from Windows to Linux
On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 9:44 AM, Andre Kolodochka kol...@gmail.com wrote: Given that my Lacie Ethernet disk just died, I was thinking of solid backup solutions for my personal files (20-30Gb). Since I have already Linux hosting with way more disk space than I need, I thought it will be great if I could sync a folder on my local drive to a folder on that Linux box... somewhere there. The problem is my local box running Windows, otherwise rsync would do wonders. Anybody knows of a good tool I could use to sync Windows folders to Linux ones? And the one that will work over Internet, not just LAN. There's also a port of Rsync for Windowshttp://www.itefix.no/i2/node/10650. Have you tried it? I've been using rsync on a Windows box and it works pretty well. There are probably Windows native tools to do this kinda thing, would be good to hear what others have to say on the subject. Cheers, Gonzalo -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Synchronizing from Windows to Linux
you can also apply rsync over ssh. there are a number of OS ssh servers for windows. Dean Gonzalo Servat wrote: On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 9:44 AM, Andre Kolodochka kol...@gmail.com wrote: Given that my Lacie Ethernet disk just died, I was thinking of solid backup solutions for my personal files (20-30Gb). Since I have already Linux hosting with way more disk space than I need, I thought it will be great if I could sync a folder on my local drive to a folder on that Linux box... somewhere there. The problem is my local box running Windows, otherwise rsync would do wonders. Anybody knows of a good tool I could use to sync Windows folders to Linux ones? And the one that will work over Internet, not just LAN. There's also a port of Rsync for Windowshttp://www.itefix.no/i2/node/10650. Have you tried it? I've been using rsync on a Windows box and it works pretty well. There are probably Windows native tools to do this kinda thing, would be good to hear what others have to say on the subject. Cheers, Gonzalo -- http://fragfest.com.au -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Synchronizing from Windows to Linux
On Tue, 26 May 2009 09:44:36 +1000 Andre Kolodochka kol...@gmail.com wrote: Given that my Lacie Ethernet disk just died, I was thinking of solid backup solutions for my personal files (20-30Gb). Since I have already Linux hosting with way more disk space than I need, I thought it will be great if I could sync a folder on my local drive to a folder on that Linux box... somewhere there. The problem is my local box running Windows, otherwise rsync would do wonders. Anybody knows of a good tool I could use to sync Windows folders to Linux ones? And the one that will work over Internet, not just LAN. I use unison: http://www.cis.upenn.edu/~bcpierce/unison/ It claims to run on Windows, but I have no experience with that. Alan Thanks in advance. Andre. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html -- Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206 Fax: +61 2 4782 7092 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Synchronizing from Windows to Linux
2009/5/26 Andre Kolodochka kol...@gmail.com: Given that my Lacie Ethernet disk just died, I was thinking of solid backup solutions for my personal files (20-30Gb). Since I have already Linux hosting with way more disk space than I need, I thought it will be great if I could sync a folder on my local drive to a folder on that Linux box... somewhere there. The problem is my local box running Windows, otherwise rsync would do wonders. Anybody knows of a good tool I could use to sync Windows folders to Linux ones? And the one that will work over Internet, not just LAN. One 'Microsoft' way would be to use SyncToy[0]. To use it you would only have to mount a samba share from the linux box as a network drive. Cheers, Owen. Footnotes: -- [0] http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?displaylang=enFamilyID=c26efa36-98e0-4ee9-a7c5-98d0592d8c52 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Synchronizing from Windows to Linux
On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 10:44 AM, Owen Townend owen.town...@gmail.comwrote: One 'Microsoft' way would be to use SyncToy[0]. To use it you would only have to mount a samba share from the linux box as a network drive. Another one that just popped into my head is Bacula, although it's a full-on backup solution and not as simple as rsync. It does run on Windows. Cheers, Gonzalo. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Synchronizing from Windows to Linux
On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 9:55 AM, Alan L Tyree a...@austlii.edu.au wrote: I use unison: http://www.cis.upenn.edu/~bcpierce/unison/ It claims to run on Windows, but I have no experience with that. It does. I've used it on Ubuntu, Windows, OpenBSD, MacOS, and Solaris. The biggest problem with Unison is that the protocol changes so frequently that you may have difficulty finding precompiled versions for your different operating systems which run compatible protocols. It may be easier to compile from source, but then you'll need to have ocaml compilers on the relevant machines... -- Christopher Vance -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Synchronizing from Windows to Linux]
I have found winscp good. it runs over ssh. Regards Phill O'Flynn -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Synchronizing from Windows to Linux
Is there something not necessarily based on rsync? ftp, for example? Andre. 2009/5/26 Christopher Vance cjsva...@gmail.com: On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 9:55 AM, Alan L Tyree a...@austlii.edu.au wrote: I use unison: http://www.cis.upenn.edu/~bcpierce/unison/ It claims to run on Windows, but I have no experience with that. It does. I've used it on Ubuntu, Windows, OpenBSD, MacOS, and Solaris. The biggest problem with Unison is that the protocol changes so frequently that you may have difficulty finding precompiled versions for your different operating systems which run compatible protocols. It may be easier to compile from source, but then you'll need to have ocaml compilers on the relevant machines... -- Christopher Vance -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Synchronizing from Windows to Linux
why not use ftp then? Dean Andre Kolodochka wrote: Is there something not necessarily based on rsync? ftp, for example? Andre. 2009/5/26 Christopher Vance cjsva...@gmail.com: On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 9:55 AM, Alan L Tyree a...@austlii.edu.au wrote: I use unison: http://www.cis.upenn.edu/~bcpierce/unison/ It claims to run on Windows, but I have no experience with that. It does. I've used it on Ubuntu, Windows, OpenBSD, MacOS, and Solaris. The biggest problem with Unison is that the protocol changes so frequently that you may have difficulty finding precompiled versions for your different operating systems which run compatible protocols. It may be easier to compile from source, but then you'll need to have ocaml compilers on the relevant machines... -- Christopher Vance -- http://fragfest.com.au -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Synchronizing from Windows to Linux
I have actually used Unison to keep two windows servers in sync over ssh with plink from putty and Winsshd, pretty nifty little app, but for one way sync the Rsync for windows is the way to go FTP can be done as well with a script, but it is messy, and not-secure FTP is all in plain text and I wouldn't trust it for backups of any kind. You could script an SFTP upload, but that will be file level so not as effiecient as rsyncs bitlevel. The issue you may also run into is open file locks. Windows locks files that are open so you won't be able to back them up, unless the program is VSS aware, like ntbackup, Bacula or some other app (if you want to script it, hobocopy is vss aware). On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 9:55 AM, Alan L Tyree a...@austlii.edu.au wrote: On Tue, 26 May 2009 09:44:36 +1000 Andre Kolodochka kol...@gmail.com wrote: Given that my Lacie Ethernet disk just died, I was thinking of solid backup solutions for my personal files (20-30Gb). Since I have already Linux hosting with way more disk space than I need, I thought it will be great if I could sync a folder on my local drive to a folder on that Linux box... somewhere there. The problem is my local box running Windows, otherwise rsync would do wonders. Anybody knows of a good tool I could use to sync Windows folders to Linux ones? And the one that will work over Internet, not just LAN. I use unison: http://www.cis.upenn.edu/~bcpierce/unison/http://www.cis.upenn.edu/%7Ebcpierce/unison/ It claims to run on Windows, but I have no experience with that. Alan Thanks in advance. Andre. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html -- Alan L Tyree http://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alanhttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/%7Ealan Tel: 04 2748 6206 Fax: +61 2 4782 7092 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Synchronizing from Windows to Linux
ftp is the last resort, rsync is obviously a better one. Also, not aware of good tools that would check the differences in directory trees and update only the files that are different over ftp. Andre. 2009/5/26 Dean Hamstead d...@fragfest.com.au: why not use ftp then? Dean Andre Kolodochka wrote: Is there something not necessarily based on rsync? ftp, for example? Andre. 2009/5/26 Christopher Vance cjsva...@gmail.com: On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 9:55 AM, Alan L Tyree a...@austlii.edu.au wrote: I use unison: http://www.cis.upenn.edu/~bcpierce/unison/ It claims to run on Windows, but I have no experience with that. It does. I've used it on Ubuntu, Windows, OpenBSD, MacOS, and Solaris. The biggest problem with Unison is that the protocol changes so frequently that you may have difficulty finding precompiled versions for your different operating systems which run compatible protocols. It may be easier to compile from source, but then you'll need to have ocaml compilers on the relevant machines... -- Christopher Vance -- http://fragfest.com.au -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Synchronizing from Windows to Linux
Windows has the archive bit built in. You could simply xcopy/robocopy any files with the archive bit to a staging directory then ftp up that eg: *xcopy path:\to\Files\ path:\to\staging /m /e /v /c /y* Then use your favourite scriptable ftp client to upload it, there are a few out there, I think you can even use windows built in one, but I don't tend to play with that. On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 11:59 AM, Andre Kolodochka kol...@gmail.com wrote: ftp is the last resort, rsync is obviously a better one. Also, not aware of good tools that would check the differences in directory trees and update only the files that are different over ftp. Andre. 2009/5/26 Dean Hamstead d...@fragfest.com.au: why not use ftp then? Dean Andre Kolodochka wrote: Is there something not necessarily based on rsync? ftp, for example? Andre. 2009/5/26 Christopher Vance cjsva...@gmail.com: On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 9:55 AM, Alan L Tyree a...@austlii.edu.au wrote: I use unison: http://www.cis.upenn.edu/~bcpierce/unison/http://www.cis.upenn.edu/%7Ebcpierce/unison/ It claims to run on Windows, but I have no experience with that. It does. I've used it on Ubuntu, Windows, OpenBSD, MacOS, and Solaris. The biggest problem with Unison is that the protocol changes so frequently that you may have difficulty finding precompiled versions for your different operating systems which run compatible protocols. It may be easier to compile from source, but then you'll need to have ocaml compilers on the relevant machines... -- Christopher Vance -- http://fragfest.com.au -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Synchronizing from Windows to Linux
I've just this minute finished setting up something very similar at work. I installed cygwin and now run backup as an rsync/cron job. It might be overkill, but I've found that there are so many other reasons to have a bash shell on Windows, and cron/rsync/ssh works a treat. Morgan Storey wrote: Windows has the archive bit built in. You could simply xcopy/robocopy any files with the archive bit to a staging directory then ftp up that eg: *xcopy path:\to\Files\ path:\to\staging /m /e /v /c /y* Then use your favourite scriptable ftp client to upload it, there are a few out there, I think you can even use windows built in one, but I don't tend to play with that. On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 11:59 AM, Andre Kolodochka kol...@gmail.com wrote: ftp is the last resort, rsync is obviously a better one. Also, not aware of good tools that would check the differences in directory trees and update only the files that are different over ftp. Andre. 2009/5/26 Dean Hamstead d...@fragfest.com.au: why not use ftp then? Dean Andre Kolodochka wrote: Is there something not necessarily based on rsync? ftp, for example? Andre. 2009/5/26 Christopher Vance cjsva...@gmail.com: On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 9:55 AM, Alan L Tyree a...@austlii.edu.au wrote: I use unison: http://www.cis.upenn.edu/~bcpierce/unison/http://www.cis.upenn.edu/%7Ebcpierce/unison/ It claims to run on Windows, but I have no experience with that. It does. I've used it on Ubuntu, Windows, OpenBSD, MacOS, and Solaris. The biggest problem with Unison is that the protocol changes so frequently that you may have difficulty finding precompiled versions for your different operating systems which run compatible protocols. It may be easier to compile from source, but then you'll need to have ocaml compilers on the relevant machines... -- Christopher Vance -- http://fragfest.com.au -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
