Re: [SLUG] mp3/ogg players recommended
On 3/27/06, David Ward <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi all, > > Ogg playback without too much messing around, that is, no need to > re-sample to 44100hz or change to a specific bit-rate just to get the track > to play on the device. > Plug and play in Linux. Thus needs to comply to the USB mass storage > standard. > Battery life is important 2, but meeting the first 2 points are my main > concern. > > Looking for around the 512mb+ mark. > I can recommend Samsung "yepp" players. I bought a yp-t6z last year and have been very happy with it, battery life is good (aaa batteries), plays ogg (+ a few others), linux is no problem, has line in recording (never used) and a microphone (never used). Was about $200 for the 1gb version (http://www.samsung.com/au/products/mp3players/mp3players/yp_t6z.asp) about 3 or 4 months ago, not sure how much the 512mb version is (http://www.samsung.com/au/products/mp3players/mp3players/yp_t6x.asp). No crappy index file like an ipod either, you just drop the files on it and groove away. My wife says it's ugly (it's v. v. small, a little boxy) but what would she know. Cheers...Steve -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] mp3/ogg players recommended
On Mon, 2006-03-27 at 03:38 +1000, Steve Lindsay wrote: > On 3/27/06, David Ward <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > > Ogg playback without too much messing around, that is, no need to > > re-sample to 44100hz or change to a specific bit-rate just to get the track > > to play on the device. > > Plug and play in Linux. Thus needs to comply to the USB mass storage > > standard. > > Battery life is important 2, but meeting the first 2 points are my main > > concern. > > > > Looking for around the 512mb+ mark. > > > > I can recommend Samsung "yepp" players. I bought a yp-t6z last year > and have been very happy with it, battery life is good (aaa > batteries), plays ogg (+ a few others), linux is no problem, has line > in recording (never used) and a microphone (never used). Was about > $200 for the 1gb version > (http://www.samsung.com/au/products/mp3players/mp3players/yp_t6z.asp) > about 3 or 4 months ago, not sure how much the 512mb version is > (http://www.samsung.com/au/products/mp3players/mp3players/yp_t6x.asp). > > No crappy index file like an ipod either, you just drop the files on > it and groove away. My wife says it's ugly (it's v. v. small, a little > boxy) but what would she know. > > Cheers...Steve I also have a Yep, and have to agree great to use, and the line in feature is great (I have converted heaps of my long lost cassette tapes to MP3's using it)... -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] mp3/ogg players recommended
On 3/27/06, David Ward <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi all, > > I hope to get to a SLUG meeting sometime soon. > > I am looking for a new mp3/ogg player and was wondering what everyone is > using. > > My 2 key points are: > > > > Ogg playback without too much messing around, that is, no need to > re-sample to 44100hz or change to a specific bit-rate just to get the track > to play on the device. > Plug and play in Linux. Thus needs to comply to the USB mass storage > standard. > Battery life is important 2, but meeting the first 2 points are my main > concern. > > Looking for around the 512mb+ mark. I recommend any of the iRivers[0]. I've had a H340 for over a year and am very happy with it. The T-series are probably the best suited to your needs. Cheers, Lindsay [0] http://www.iriver.com.au/iriver/ -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] mp3/ogg players recommended
This one time, at band camp, David Ward wrote: >Hi all, > > I hope to get to a SLUG meeting sometime soon. > >I am looking for a new mp3/ogg player and was wondering what everyone is >using. > >My 2 key points are: > > 1. Ogg playback without too much messing around, that is, no need > to re-sample to 44100hz or change to a specific bit-rate just to > get the track to play on the device. > 2. Plug and play in Linux. Thus needs to comply to the USB mass > storage standard. > > >Battery life is important 2, but meeting the first 2 points are my main >concern. > >Looking for around the 512mb+ mark. Anything by Cowon or iRiver will just work. I've got a Cowon iAudio m3: 40GB disk, plays Ogg Vorbis, AAC, FLAC, MP3. USB 2.0 as a usb mass storage guy. There's a few ugly features about it but it's pretty robust and plays music :) My boss had an iRiver H340, again a 40GB disk, does all the above and also acts as a USB 2.0 host so you could plug in other devices and copy data to it (i.e. photos) -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] mp3/ogg players recommended
On Mon, Mar 27, 2006 at 09:19:03PM +1100, Jamie Wilkinson wrote: > I've got a Cowon iAudio m3: 40GB disk, plays Ogg Vorbis, AAC, FLAC, MP3. > USB 2.0 as a usb mass storage guy. There's a few ugly features about it but > it's pretty robust and plays music :) > > My boss had an iRiver H340, again a 40GB disk, does all the above and also > acts as a USB 2.0 host so you could plug in other devices and copy data to > it (i.e. photos) What are the physical interfaces on those like? -- "To the extent that we overreact, we proffer the terrorists the greatest tribute." - High Court Judge Michael Kirby -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] mp3/ogg players recommended
This one time, at band camp, CaT wrote: >On Mon, Mar 27, 2006 at 09:19:03PM +1100, Jamie Wilkinson wrote: >> I've got a Cowon iAudio m3: 40GB disk, plays Ogg Vorbis, AAC, FLAC, MP3. >> USB 2.0 as a usb mass storage guy. There's a few ugly features about it but >> it's pretty robust and plays music :) >> >> My boss had an iRiver H340, again a 40GB disk, does all the above and also >> acts as a USB 2.0 host so you could plug in other devices and copy data to >> it (i.e. photos) > >What are the physical interfaces on those like? The H340 has a regular "small" USB socket on it, and the iAudio has either a dongle guy or a cradle, both with a small USB socket. They come with small to regular USB cables too! -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] mp3/ogg players recommended
On Mon, Mar 27, 2006 at 09:25:45PM +1100, Jamie Wilkinson wrote: > This one time, at band camp, CaT wrote: > >On Mon, Mar 27, 2006 at 09:19:03PM +1100, Jamie Wilkinson wrote: > >> I've got a Cowon iAudio m3: 40GB disk, plays Ogg Vorbis, AAC, FLAC, MP3. > >> > >> My boss had an iRiver H340, again a 40GB disk, does all the above and also > > > >What are the physical interfaces on those like? > > The H340 has a regular "small" USB socket on it, and the iAudio has either a > dongle guy or a cradle, both with a small USB socket. They come with small > to regular USB cables too! Yeah but how do they handle going through masses of mp3s? How responsive are they? etc...? :) -- "To the extent that we overreact, we proffer the terrorists the greatest tribute." - High Court Judge Michael Kirby -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] mp3/ogg players recommended
$quoted_author = "CaT" ; > On Mon, Mar 27, 2006 at 09:25:45PM +1100, Jamie Wilkinson wrote: > > This one time, at band camp, CaT wrote: > > >On Mon, Mar 27, 2006 at 09:19:03PM +1100, Jamie Wilkinson wrote: > > >> I've got a Cowon iAudio m3: 40GB disk, plays Ogg Vorbis, AAC, FLAC, MP3. > > >> > > >> My boss had an iRiver H340, again a 40GB disk, does all the above and > > >> also > > > > > >What are the physical interfaces on those like? > > > > The H340 has a regular "small" USB socket on it, and the iAudio has either a > > dongle guy or a cradle, both with a small USB socket. They come with small > > to regular USB cables too! > > Yeah but how do they handle going through masses of mp3s? How responsive > are they? etc...? :) that would the user interface (UI) rather than psychical interface. :) i played with a couple of these "not-ipods" at a JB hifi a while back and just couldn't fathom ever getting used to their UIs. anything changed? cheers marty -- She brings her hands up towards where my hands rested She wraps her fingers round mine with the softness she's blessed with She peels away my fingers, looks at me and then gestures By pushin' my hand away to my chest, from hers "Dry Your Eyes" - The Streets -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] mp3/ogg players recommended
On Mon, Mar 27, 2006 at 09:41:44PM +1000, Martin wrote: > $quoted_author = "CaT" ; > > On Mon, Mar 27, 2006 at 09:25:45PM +1100, Jamie Wilkinson wrote: > > > This one time, at band camp, CaT wrote: > > > >On Mon, Mar 27, 2006 at 09:19:03PM +1100, Jamie Wilkinson wrote: > > > >> I've got a Cowon iAudio m3: 40GB disk, plays Ogg Vorbis, AAC, FLAC, > > > >> MP3. > > > >> > > > >> My boss had an iRiver H340, again a 40GB disk, does all the above and > > > >> also > > > > > > > >What are the physical interfaces on those like? > > > > > > The H340 has a regular "small" USB socket on it, and the iAudio has > > > either a > > > dongle guy or a cradle, both with a small USB socket. They come with > > > small > > > to regular USB cables too! > > > > Yeah but how do they handle going through masses of mp3s? How responsive > > are they? etc...? :) > > that would the user interface (UI) rather than psychical interface. :) Yes and no. :) Bit of both in this case. The physical interface has a major bearing on how the software user interface works. > i played with a couple of these "not-ipods" at a JB hifi a while back and > just couldn't fathom ever getting used to their UIs. anything changed? I have to say I like the ipod physical interface. The software shits me though. There may be help there though. :) http://www.rockbox.org/ Now if this matures and if only the ipod had an inbuilt radio... -- "To the extent that we overreact, we proffer the terrorists the greatest tribute." - High Court Judge Michael Kirby -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] mp3/ogg players recommended
$quoted_author = "CaT" ; > > I have to say I like the ipod physical interface. The software shits me > though. There may be help there though. :) > > http://www.rockbox.org/ > > Now if this matures and if only the ipod had an inbuilt radio... the ipod in my eyes... Q1) Ogg support? X Next! cheers marty -- Close your brown eyes, And lay down next to me. Close your eyes, lay down. 'Cos there goes the fear, Let it go. "There Goes the Fear" - Doves -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] mp3/ogg players recommended
On Mon, Mar 27, 2006 at 10:12:11PM +1000, Martin wrote: > $quoted_author = "CaT" ; > > > > I have to say I like the ipod physical interface. The software shits me > > though. There may be help there though. :) > > > > http://www.rockbox.org/ > > > > Now if this matures and if only the ipod had an inbuilt radio... > > the ipod in my eyes... > > Q1) Ogg support? X > > Next! ? According to this rockbox makes the ipod useful: 'Rockbox for the iPod 4G, Color, Nano and Video models all have a wide range of codec support - MP3, OGG, FLAC, AAC, ALAC, AC3 and WavPack are all supported in Rockbox.' - http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WhyRockbox -- "To the extent that we overreact, we proffer the terrorists the greatest tribute." - High Court Judge Michael Kirby -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] mp3/ogg players recommended
$quoted_author = "CaT" ; > > ? > > According to this rockbox makes the ipod useful: > > 'Rockbox for the iPod 4G, Color, Nano and Video models all have a wide > range of codec support - MP3, OGG, FLAC, AAC, ALAC, AC3 and WavPack are > all supported in Rockbox.' > - http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WhyRockbox h... anyone here playing with it? how ready for prime time is this? cheers marty -- Change everything you are And everything you were Your number has been called "Butterflies and Hurricanes" - Muse -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] mp3/ogg players recommended
This one time, at band camp, CaT wrote: >On Mon, Mar 27, 2006 at 09:25:45PM +1100, Jamie Wilkinson wrote: >> This one time, at band camp, CaT wrote: >> >On Mon, Mar 27, 2006 at 09:19:03PM +1100, Jamie Wilkinson wrote: >> >> I've got a Cowon iAudio m3: 40GB disk, plays Ogg Vorbis, AAC, FLAC, MP3. >> >> >> >> My boss had an iRiver H340, again a 40GB disk, does all the above and also >> > >> >What are the physical interfaces on those like? >> >> The H340 has a regular "small" USB socket on it, and the iAudio has either a >> dongle guy or a cradle, both with a small USB socket. They come with small >> to regular USB cables too! > >Yeah but how do they handle going through masses of mp3s? How responsive >are they? etc...? :) Oh, *that* interface :) The iAudio has an external control unit which means there's an extra wire and plug you can break, but means you can attach it to your shirt or bag nearby and hide the disk in a pocket. The controls take a bit of getting used to, but nowadays I leave it on random and the only thing I need to do is change volume or skip or replay a track, all of which are a simple button press, and it's easy to do it without looking. Everything else in the firmware sucks; no rating system, playlists are difficult to manage, finding a specific track to play is near impossible unless you group your tracks sensibly and use no filename longer than 10 characters (othrewise you are lagged by scroll delay to read the entire filename) and though I suspect that the unit writes last played data to the tracks themselves, no software I've found incorporates that information into its own databse to do favourites analysis. The iRiver H340 has its controls on the disk unit, and I haven't used it much so I can't comment on usability. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] mp3/ogg players recommended
I'd recommend using the open source Rockbox firmware on one of its supported players. This firmware plays ogg out of the box (along with about every other audio format), and has some nice features such as gapless playback and replaygain. You wanted something 512mb+, so probably the closest in size to this that will run Rockbox is an iPod nano (which I believe conforms to the USB mass storage standard), however it will also run on iRiver H100, H120, H300 series, and 4G and 5G iPods. Check it out at http://www.rockbox.org/ On 28/03/06, Jamie Wilkinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This one time, at band camp, CaT wrote: > >On Mon, Mar 27, 2006 at 09:25:45PM +1100, Jamie Wilkinson wrote: > >> This one time, at band camp, CaT wrote: > >> >On Mon, Mar 27, 2006 at 09:19:03PM +1100, Jamie Wilkinson wrote: > >> >> I've got a Cowon iAudio m3: 40GB disk, plays Ogg Vorbis, AAC, FLAC, MP3. > >> >> > >> >> My boss had an iRiver H340, again a 40GB disk, does all the above and > >> >> also > >> > > >> >What are the physical interfaces on those like? > >> > >> The H340 has a regular "small" USB socket on it, and the iAudio has either > >> a > >> dongle guy or a cradle, both with a small USB socket. They come with small > >> to regular USB cables too! > > > >Yeah but how do they handle going through masses of mp3s? How responsive > >are they? etc...? :) > > Oh, *that* interface :) > > The iAudio has an external control unit which means there's an extra wire > and plug you can break, but means you can attach it to your shirt or bag > nearby and hide the disk in a pocket. The controls take a bit of getting > used to, but nowadays I leave it on random and the only thing I need to do > is change volume or skip or replay a track, all of which are a simple button > press, and it's easy to do it without looking. > > Everything else in the firmware sucks; no rating system, playlists are > difficult to manage, finding a specific track to play is near impossible > unless you group your tracks sensibly and use no filename longer than 10 > characters (othrewise you are lagged by scroll delay to read the entire > filename) and though I suspect that the unit writes last played > data to the tracks themselves, no software I've found incorporates that > information into its own databse to do favourites analysis. > > The iRiver H340 has its controls on the disk unit, and I haven't used it > much so I can't comment on usability. > -- > SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ > Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html > -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] mp3/ogg players recommended
On Tue, Mar 28, 2006 at 10:39:15AM +1100, Jamie Wilkinson wrote: > This one time, at band camp, CaT wrote: > >Yeah but how do they handle going through masses of mp3s? How responsive > >are they? etc...? :) > > Oh, *that* interface :) Yeah. :) > Everything else in the firmware sucks; no rating system, playlists are > difficult to manage, finding a specific track to play is near impossible > unless you group your tracks sensibly and use no filename longer than 10 > characters (othrewise you are lagged by scroll delay to read the entire Well that blows the iAudio for me. One down many to go. > The iRiver H340 has its controls on the disk unit, and I haven't used it > much so I can't comment on usability. Drat. I am rather tempted by the iRiver but the only time I tried it I found the touchpad interface somewhat unresponsive which made me put off buying it. And ofcourse I doubt there's a shop that'll have masses of mp3s on it so that you can put it through its paces. Sigh. -- "To the extent that we overreact, we proffer the terrorists the greatest tribute." - High Court Judge Michael Kirby -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] mp3/ogg players recommended
Thanx for that David. This looks interesting . *goes off to read about rockbox* -- Regards David Ward David Mason wrote: I'd recommend using the open source Rockbox firmware on one of its supported players. This firmware plays ogg out of the box (along with about every other audio format), and has some nice features such as gapless playback and replaygain. You wanted something 512mb+, so probably the closest in size to this that will run Rockbox is an iPod nano (which I believe conforms to the USB mass storage standard), however it will also run on iRiver H100, H120, H300 series, and 4G and 5G iPods. Check it out at http://www.rockbox.org/ On 28/03/06, Jamie Wilkinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: This one time, at band camp, CaT wrote: On Mon, Mar 27, 2006 at 09:25:45PM +1100, Jamie Wilkinson wrote: This one time, at band camp, CaT wrote: On Mon, Mar 27, 2006 at 09:19:03PM +1100, Jamie Wilkinson wrote: I've got a Cowon iAudio m3: 40GB disk, plays Ogg Vorbis, AAC, FLAC, MP3. My boss had an iRiver H340, again a 40GB disk, does all the above and also What are the physical interfaces on those like? The H340 has a regular "small" USB socket on it, and the iAudio has either a dongle guy or a cradle, both with a small USB socket. They come with small to regular USB cables too! Yeah but how do they handle going through masses of mp3s? How responsive are they? etc...? :) Oh, *that* interface :) The iAudio has an external control unit which means there's an extra wire and plug you can break, but means you can attach it to your shirt or bag nearby and hide the disk in a pocket. The controls take a bit of getting used to, but nowadays I leave it on random and the only thing I need to do is change volume or skip or replay a track, all of which are a simple button press, and it's easy to do it without looking. Everything else in the firmware sucks; no rating system, playlists are difficult to manage, finding a specific track to play is near impossible unless you group your tracks sensibly and use no filename longer than 10 characters (othrewise you are lagged by scroll delay to read the entire filename) and though I suspect that the unit writes last played data to the tracks themselves, no software I've found incorporates that information into its own databse to do favourites analysis. The iRiver H340 has its controls on the disk unit, and I haven't used it much so I can't comment on usability. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
