[RCSE] Paragon
I Need Advise.. I'm building a 118" Paragon (by Pierce Aero Company) If I build it per plans how much weight is required to balance CG.. Lee mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Get organized for the holidays!
Re: [RCSE] Paragon
It all depends on how heavy (or light) you build the fuselage and tail sections. Also the position of and type of radio system you use. A broad guess would be 4-8 ounces. Mike Clancy RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [RCSE] Paragon
Lee, don't worry about itthe plane is such a floater that the weight your concerned about won't really matter. I've flown and built 2 of them back in the 70's.Don't get bored with all the air time you'll get. I've built and flown all of Ed's planes other than Paramount. All great. If you really want a treat, get the plans to the Pierce 970. Way ahead of its time. Stan - Original Message - From: Lee Cox To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2000 2:02 PM Subject: [RCSE] Paragon I Need Advise.. I'm building a 118" Paragon (by Pierce Aero Company) If I build it per plans how much weight is required to balance CG.. Lee mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Do You Yahoo!?Yahoo! Calendar - Get organized for the holidays!
[RCSE] Re: Parlez-vous français?
I've got several offers for help now, so all you French scholars can go back to building sailplanes. Thanks RCSE! Lenny RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[RCSE] Re: Dominator
Thanks and well put! Eric Farmer wrote: Bob, A few comments on your small publication of the Dominator: With a somewhat archaic bagged wing and tail Please... do NOT use terms like "archaic". It makes people think the product is sub-standard and out of date. This is it not... bagged wings are much more structurally advanced than most molded wings! Think about having to build most of your spar system into a thin skin... that's what bagged wing designers do. The molded guys have the ability to put a big monster carbon capped shear spar in the cavity of the wing. That's a little easier to engineer than a skin spar... wouldn't you agree? The other question is one of quality Again, be careful what you say. People are trying to make a living selling these airplanes. Give em' a break. NOTHING bagged will EVER compare with the beauty of molded birds (and I'm talking from a surface finish standpoint... asthetics are something different) The fuse nose cone does not fit very well, so some method to hold it on will be needed First off... you should ALWAYS secure your nosecore... whether it fits well or not. I take it you've never owned an american built fuselage? They don't have the thickness insert in the nosecone base to make them fit the inner. This comes from long ago when we didn't have enough room in fuselages, and were forced to make nosecones as thin as possible. I'd love to see you try and make an inner nosecone mold that would perfectly match the thickness of a wet layup part (nosecone). Good luck... The euro guys aren't any better... they just cheat. The American guys know that little touches like that don't help the flying AT ALL. They hurt it, if anything. All those niceties just add weight. I might glass the inside and install several plywood spans at the leading edge and trailing edge of the fuse to prevent the wing from digging in during a hard wing first landing. This is a basic rule of thumb for any fuselage with a plug in wing it's not just specific to the Dominator. The downside the spyderfoamed wing is the lack of up movement on the flaps. The MH32 airfoil does well when reflexed up for speed runs, this is not an option on the flap segment of the wing of the dominator. Dude.. is it really that hard to extend the flap downward... and sand a small bevel on it? Do it... the gap won't be big enuogh to hurt... it's a stupid toy airplane! The gaps aren't that big of a deal. In all reality... if you put gap seals on it... you'll hurt it more than help it. The gap seals will turbulate the wing, and when the surface is deflected away from the seal... it creates a gap larger than it would have been without the seal. Besides... do you know what is over the flap hingeline on the top of the wing? The seperation bubble! If there is no attached air going over the gap... why bother sealing it? There is a very nice gel coated finish on the wing skin top. Paint, actually ;-) Gelcoat would be heavy... and structurally detremental to the wing skins. The wings need to be sealed on the trailing edge and leading edge. There is a bit of carbon fiber fraying from the factory. They aren't bad enough to require "sealing". Just run over the LE with some 200grit... you're done. Keep in mind... you're building a kit... not a RTF molded bird. Yes... you might actually have to do some building on it! It's a little sloppy, and makes me nervous that I'll misalign the tail. It's fine. Don't worry. You're a perfectionist like me. Step back and trust the designers. The Dominator will run like stink and turn great. I know... I've flown many. Sal and Phil know what they're doing. Give em' a break. Be real careful what you say about products in such a small hobby like soaring... and on such a large forum like the exchange. Questions are always safer than statements. Thermals, Eric Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Sal DeFrancesco [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sunday, November 12, 2000 8:22 AM Subject: Re: [RCSE] dominator I have read your report. Just because a sailplane is molded doesn't make it a faster sailplane. I doubt if you will find the Mach Dart or the Nemisis in the same racing catagory as the Dominator. The Dominator was designed for racing as we do it in the USA, man on man. It is designed to be very efficient in the turn and capable of pulling a high CL. The flaps and ailerons when used correctly with camber will aid in this area. The planform was computer designed to give the best combination, of speed, lift, and handling. The MH32 was decided to be used in order to get the ability to fly in lighter lift with good efficiency. BTW...we do have a molded Dominator with a fully curved LE. This is with flaps and ailerons and was designed with the same planform, idealized. We have not
Re: [RCSE] Help - rubber lube
A quicker/simpler/more available alternative is Armor All or one of the similar preservative/protectant compounds usually--- DO NOT use Armor All if you want your rubber motors to last. As the material dries it attaches to the surface of the rubber and generates a harder, somewhat inflexible surface. Ed Harris and I discoverd this a number of years ago when we used it on a high start rubber. About two weeks after the application the tube started to surface crack and within four weeks the high start was worthless. Jim Porter Bettendorf, Iowa USA "The airplane stays up because it doesn't have the time to fall." Orville Wright RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [RCSE] (RCSE) How to Program a Stylus
I may be missing the mark here, as I don't own a Stylus...but since you mentioned the 'Glider' card, I wonder if you need to use it in Aircraft (powered) mode, so the the throttle stick will know it's for the throttle and not for spoilers/flaps/etc that are assigned to glider functions? - Original Message - From: "Blane Miskell" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "RCSE" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2000 10:43 AM Subject: [RCSE] (RCSE) How to Program a Stylus I need to find out how to program a Zagi 400X on the Stylus with a glider card. I can get the servo's to work using the (2A/2FE2R ) wing type. But the motor won't run. I know there is nothing wrong with the speed control itself, it works on another radio. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [RCSE] Re: Dominator
Questions are always safer than statements. Thermals, Eric Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Very good advice, and all that from a 16 year old. Right on Eric. Sal you've got the right kind in your corner, keep up the good work. Jerry Miller SOSS-Medford, OR
[RCSE] November Contest
Hi all. SOSS, Southern Oregon Soaring Society, has just completed their Nov. and maybe last contest of the year. Set up temp. today in Medford, OR was 31 degrees. We flew 4 rounds of International Duration, 5-7-5-10, first two rounds were not bad in that the scheduled flight times were reduced by 2 minutes each, from the announced flight times. The Sun came out, so we went with the announced times for the last two rounds. In the 10:00 minutes two actually made their times and with landing points. We started with 7 entries, one encountered a tree in the first round, during landing set up, and DNF. We will try a Dec. contest if the weather holds, we are keeping our fingers crossed. Planes entered, today, 2-Millimunms, 1-Bird of Prey, 1-KA-6 foamy, 1-Bird of Time, 1-club trainer plane, and 1-7pack electric with a timed launch period, and he, John Slatea was the winner of the contest. Launches was not a problem, he is good flyer, and scored on all landings. Was a good contest as bad as the day started out. Jerry Miller SOSS-Medford, OR
[RCSE] Which Scale plane to buy?
Hey guys, I'm looking to buy my first scale plane. I've kinda narrowed it down to two models. The I-26 foamie form DAW and the ASK-21 2m kit from ICARE. I know they are totally different but the price of the I-26 is what gets me. Has any one flown any of these? Is the performance of the ASK-21 worth $120 more than the I-26? Are there any kits under $250 you guys could recommend besides these two? I'd like to keep the wingspan over 60" and under 100". Thanks as always. Jason RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[RCSE] re:Dominator
Eric Farmer wrote: Questions are always safer than statements. Here's a question. Is there no stress on logic to end a post filled with statements with a statement insisting that questions are better than statements? And what if there were no hypothetical questions? All seriousness aside, why get all over Bob for having an honest opinion? He obviously loves to fly and I'm quite sure Sal's business (and ego) can withstand sincere (and potentially constructive) criticism. The Dominator is clearly a top-shelf sailplane with a fantastic pedigree and I doubt anyone on this exchange is thinking otherwise just because one fellow wrote a few less than ecstatic words about it right out of the box. Time will tell, but just hearing lightly veiled disparagement from you guys makes me think you're a little too worried about the Dominator's future. Of course, I own a Nemesis and have a Vindicator on order myself, but who's counting. Reed RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
