[RCSE] tom hoopes' posting re receivers

2001-01-10 Thread tony estep

Ain't it a pleasure to get some commentary based on
empirical and valid tests?! Thanks, Tom.

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[RCSE] Airfoils.

2001-01-10 Thread Klaus K Weiss

I have tried numerous URL addresses for the Selig Airfoil site in the past
few days, all with no success.  Does anyone have a URL that they know works?

thank you.


Klaus K Weiss
Sydney Australia
http://web.one.net.au/~kkw

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Re: [RCSE] Selig

2001-01-10 Thread Andrew E. Mileski

Brian wrote:
 
 Hi, Anyone know what the current address for Mr. Seligs Airfoil data
 site.
 
 These links don't work for me.
 
 http://opus.aae.uiuc.edu/~selig/
 http://amber.aae.uiuc.edu/~m-selig

This works for me, just tried it:
  http://amber.aae.uiuc.edu/~m-selig/

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[RCSE] Winch Line ?

2001-01-10 Thread Iflyicrash

Speaking of winches, any one know of some good sources for braided winch 
line, other than Memphis Net  Twine?  The last 12 rolls #24 we got last fall 
were really bad. TIA
Bill Grenoble--  BAR/CSSPA
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[RCSE] New Receiver Standard

2001-01-10 Thread Bill Swingle

Thanks to Tom Hoopes for relating his test results. Empirical data is the best
and we owe Tom our gratitude for his efforts.

The marketing trends of today don't include the hard core factual data. And,
I'm not expecting to see this change. Thus, it's difficult to separate truth
from lies (oops, marketing literature). Thus, I propose a NEW STANDARD to help
us separate the good from the bad.  The "Hoopes Seal of Approval".

Heck, this is already being done by the more savy manufacturers so it
shouldn't be too tough to implement. Once Tom has approved a receiver, the
manufacturer could include "Hoopes Approved" in their literature and/or mark
it directly on the case.

Tom's approval is good enough for me and I'd guess many others. Just look at
all those he's helped with the Stylus Tx. He's known and trusted. That's
valuable to consumers.

Bill Swingle
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Janesville, CA


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RE: [RCSE] New Receiver Standard

2001-01-10 Thread Barry Baskin

I agree with Bill. I would not be able to fly many of the planes I do
without Tom's amazing skills on programming the Stylus Tx. His seal of
approval on Rx's would be meaningful to memore power to Tom, helps us
consumers.
Barry Baskin.
Walnut Creek CA.

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Re: [RCSE] Wipers?

2001-01-10 Thread Tim Olson

Daniel Armstrong wrote:

I am starting to design a new 3.6 metre model and want to use wipers on both
ailerons and flaps, could some one with experience of wipers tell me how
they are contructed and any special design considerations (what are they
made from?)

I had a set of Emerald wings that didn't have wipers installed, so I 
added some myself.  For the flap wipers, I used the curved spine of the 
plastic ring binders you can find in office supply stores (cut off the 
tabs).  For the aileron wipers, I cut 1/2" strips of thin mylar (overhead 
slide material) and used double-sided tape to attach them to the aileron.

This works well for molded wings, but for foam-core, you either have to 
go with the flat mylar wipers (fixed to the wing and floating over the 
gap and control surface), or you will have to cut out a curved 
indentation in the hinge for the knuckle wiper.



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Re: [RCSE] New Receiver Standard

2001-01-10 Thread tony estep

Well, at the very least we should band together and do
the following: ask all the mfrs to release and swear
to their specs for bandwidth at -6 and -60 db,
sensitivity for 10 db s/(s+n), current drain, low
voltage limit (and maybe more that others more savvy
than I might propose). Maybe we could strike a blow
for the good cause.

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[RCSE] test

2001-01-10 Thread D Hauch/ D Unruh

been booted agian!

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Re: [RCSE] Lead Acid Shelf Life

2001-01-10 Thread bgroft

We use lead acid batteries in a product we manufacture.  A few of the
batteries were left in our warehouse for over a year without charging.  When
we tried to use one of them, it did not have any capacity.  We contacted the
battery manufacturer's engineering department and they gave us a fix for
rejuvenating a battery that had sulfated.  The fix is to charge the battery
with a constant current of C/20 for 24 hours.  A 5 amp hour battery would be
charged at 5/20 or .25amp.  It must be a true constant current that allows
the voltage to rise above the normal charge voltage of about 2.5 volts/per
cell.  If the battery voltage is monitored during the charge it will rise to
around 3 volts per cell and when the battery is de-sulfated it will start to
drop similar to a fully charged nicad.   We were told that we don't have to
monitor the voltage because a 24 hour charge would be enough.

I designed a circuit to perform the constant current charge but I have not
tried it yet.

Bill Groft
Newark, Delaware





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From: "Andrew E. Mileski" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: Re: [RCSE] Lead Acid Shelf Life


 Bill Swingle wrote:
 
  Let's say you've bought an extra 12V lead acid battery. You don't expect
to
  use it for quite a while. If the battery is brand new, you've not
charged
  it nor connected any loads to it; what's the shelf life?

 If it is left to self-discharge, it will sulphate :(

 I have two identical gell batteries.  I kept one charged, and
 let the other drop to about 8V over a period of about 4 years.
 Besides being very hard to charge at first, it doesn't hold a
 charge as long as the constantly charged battery.  This means
 it is sulphated (lead sulphate has crystalized on the plates),
 and has permanently lost capacity.

 You need to "float" the batteries (keep them from discharging).
 I've used a 9V adaptor that outputs 14.5V no-load to keep the
 good battery charged.  The average voltage maintained is around
 13.4V - they battery is speced for 13.8V float.

 The batteries should last a very LONG time on float.

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Re: [RCSE] Lead Acid Shelf Life

2001-01-10 Thread Aerofoam


a fix for
 rejuvenating a battery that had sulfated.  The fix is to charge the
battery
 with a constant current of C/20 for 24 hours

I deal with this on the main bank for my boat. It is 125ah
All lead acid batteries need a high voltage/current charge occasionally to
burn off the sulfate, on the large deep cylce batteries it is about 14 to
15v. at 30 amps.They also like a constant trickle charge which can be
accomplished with a cheap $20.00 solar panel or 500mah 14v wall wart.
For smaller batteries adjust accordingly. If your battery gets much below
12v you have already damaged it, you can only use about 30% of the capacity
without reducing it's lifespan and capacity. If you dishcharge to 50% the
battery will last less than 1/2 the time it would have at 30% discharges.
These are rough figures, there is more accurate details on a number of
websites, but I no longer have the urls...

 Mark Mech
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Re: [RCSE] Wipers?

2001-01-10 Thread Harley Michaelis

The individual slats from 1" plastic venetian blinds (K-mart, etc.) are a
great raw material for wipers. Strips 3/8" or so wide can be cut from
either finished edge. 

If the wing is skinned foam core, a slit is made between the two with an
Exacto knife and a thin sanding tool such as the fine, flexible Permagrit
can open the slit to the thickness of the slat to avoid a bump. The slat is
pushed in about 3/16"  and secured by wiucking in place in a few spots with
thin CA glue between slat and skin. The slat has some curvature, but is
easily bent more, as needed to clear the wing skin, before installing. It
can also be spray painted in advance to match adjacent colors. On the wing
side, clearance for the front edge of the wiper can be made with a round
sanding tool. 

I put these on the flaps of my GENIE #18. It took only a few minutes and
added a real nice touch, getting rid of the open gap and helping to keep
out dust and dirt. Looks a lot like they are part of a molded skin. See
http://www.proptwisters.org/jouster2/. Click on the #3 link and page down
until you come to the pics of the yellow ship. Several of the thumbnails
can be clicked on to enlarge.

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 From: Daniel Armstrong [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: [RCSE] Wipers?
 Date: Sunday, September 10, 2000 11:36 AM
 
 I have noticed that wipers have started to be used regularly now on many
of
 the upper end of the range models ( look here to see what I mean
 http://www.shredair.com/stratos2.html).
 I am starting to design a new 3.6 metre model and want to use wipers on
both
 ailerons and flaps, could some one with experience of wipers tell me how
 they are contructed and any special design considerations (what are they
 made from?)
 
 Thanks for any help
 Daniel
 
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Re: [RCSE] Re: Winch launches

2001-01-10 Thread Nazcalift

Jeff Reid Wrote:

 I've seen the HSS club winch motor get stalled on a launch with a stronger than 
"contest legal" battery.

Jeff,
What is stronger than contest legal in an HSS (Harbor Soaring
Society) battery? HSS contests are TD contests. F3B does have
restrictions but TD contest don't. 
 
Bob Pope
CA, USA
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RE: [RCSE] Karlton, what month is it ??

2001-01-10 Thread Mike Bronk

Will Karlton be assessed for vendor bashing in the wrong month??

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Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2001 12:05 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Karlton Spindle
Subject: [RCSE] Karlton, what month is it ??


I thought January was NOT Sal bashing month.  Someone's going out of turn.

BTW, on customer bash month, the vendors had better name names, just like
everyone else does.  Then all the vendors can know which customers not to
deal with, too.  A scarcastic :-) for the humor impared.

Hope I don't end up on someone's list.  I'm about to order a few hundred $'s
of carbon  foam.

Jon Stone



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[RCSE] What do you use?

2001-01-10 Thread Gary S. Baldwin

Hi All,

I maintain the winches for my club and I always put #30 - 295 lb. twisted
line on the winch spools.  We have a lot of blackberry plants and the
really chew up monofilament line and of course the twisted line doesn't
tangle when it is new line mono does.  Braided line just doesn't seem, to
me any way, to have the snap that the twisted line does.  We also use #9 -
84 lb twisted line on the retriever.  What line do you guys and gals use
and why?

Gary Baldwin
Tallahassee, Florida
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