Re: [RCSE] I soared every nite this past three weeks...

2001-06-29 Thread Bill Harris

I wish I were that lucky... I'm so far down the totem pole that all I can do 
is stand between the dog and the fire hydrant...

--Bill


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Subject: Re: [RCSE] I soared every nite this past three weeks...
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 23:34:26 EDT


I know what you mean! I rescued a ten minute flight from 50 feet with 6
minutes to go and got waved through the grocery checkout pushing a fully
loaded cart to a standing ovation. The next damn week, I blew a 5 minute
flight and all my credit cards went blank. Sailplanin's a tough way to make 
a
living, especially with all the interruptions of the work week. Sprinkle in 
a
little rain on the weekends and that'll be me climbing the clock tower! Go
figure... :)

Bill Wingstedt

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Re: Out of Office AutoReply: [RCSE] Is Profi the Answer? (More on the sty 6 from ATL/NASA )

2001-06-29 Thread Bill Harris

Wait til they get back from vacation and have several hundred folks on the 
List send them a polite note saying don't do that...

--Bill


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Subject: Re: Out of Office AutoReply: [RCSE] Is Profi the Answer? (More  on 
the sty 6 from ATL/NASA )
Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 01:00:00 -0500

I love messing with these OUT OF OFFICE Auto Replies.

lol

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Re: [RCSE] Is Profi the Answer?You bet ur arse!!

2001-06-29 Thread Bill Harris

And I like Chevy's and don't like Macintoshes...

It's just a tool...

--Bill


From: Jack Strother [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Steven Meyer [EMAIL PROTECTED], Soaring List 
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Subject: Re: [RCSE] Is Profi the Answer?You bet ur arse!!
Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 06:51:42 -0400

Steve,
you don't get itIts a 12 channel FUNCTION transmitter!!!
Most of the 72MHZ band is available for frequencies.
come on man  lose the MR. Negative !!!
8-)
jack



At 12:39 AM 6/29/01 -0500, you wrote:
Yeh but then I would never get to fly cause the 12 channels that are
available for the PROFI will most likely be in use.


At 10:07 AM 6/28/2001 -0700, Karlton Spindle wrote:
SO get one! VVVBG
Even on the Profi 3030 (designed in 1984) Page 81 of the book goes over 
how
to set up a 6 servo wing ;)  $435.00 For a TX for a plane that costs how
much?
No glider card needed!


In all honesty though Skip Miller has a good Stylus setup for 6 servo 
wings.

If any of you Profi 4000 pilots need one I will email the program for you 
to
download in to your TX.  Of If any of you Profi 4000 pilots have one 
email
me the file so I can post it on our web page.


Smooth Sailing,
Karlton Spindle
...

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Re: [RCSE] Lost sheep returns.

2001-06-29 Thread Bill Harris

And don't forget the Zagiites...

--Bill


From: Michael Lachowski [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [RCSE] Lost sheep returns.
Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 08:14:28 -0400 (EDT)

  Scale glider guys love the purity and joy of flying scale replicas.
 
  TD/F3J/F3B pilots think  scale is for guys that can't handle 
competition.
 
  Slopers are, well, slopers.

I don't agree with you.
As the owner of a 1:2.9 Foka 4, 1:3 Salto, and 1:4 Pilatius B4 as well as 
Several
Tragi 701's, 702, Ellipse 3, Ellipse 4, Escape, Dynamix, Miraj and a large 
collection
of foamie and wood and glass slope ships plus a Sr Telemaster with a big 
Saito for
aerotowing, I have some reasons to have opinions.

F3b pilots think TD is for guys who can't handle competition.

Scale guys actually do appreciate the workmanship and skills needed to 
finish a model
while TD guys think raw kevlar and fiberglass looks good.

Slopers just want to fly, why think are build nice planes.

I just happen to like all kinds of sailplanes.  As a result, I don't have 
the time
to make my scale models nice and detailed...


You forgot the XC folks and of course the DLG folks think they are special 
too.

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Re: [RCSE] I soared every nite this past three weeks...

2001-06-29 Thread Jack Strother

Just keep looking up !!!
sooner or later only your foot will get wet !!!
8-)

At 07:23 AM 6/29/01 -0500, Bill Harris wrote:
I wish I were that lucky... I'm so far down the totem pole that all I can 
do is stand between the dog and the fire hydrant...

--Bill


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Subject: Re: [RCSE] I soared every nite this past three weeks...
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 23:34:26 EDT


I know what you mean! I rescued a ten minute flight from 50 feet with 6
minutes to go and got waved through the grocery checkout pushing a fully
loaded cart to a standing ovation. The next damn week, I blew a 5 minute
flight and all my credit cards went blank. Sailplanin's a tough way to make a
living, especially with all the interruptions of the work week. Sprinkle in a
little rain on the weekends and that'll be me climbing the clock tower! Go
figure... :)

Bill Wingstedt

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Re: [RCSE] Next project...

2001-06-29 Thread Bill Harris

That is absolutely correct, Dave.  The wings on my refurbished '72 Windfree 
flex a lot-- the wingrods and wing spars are matched in strength.  The 
problem is that I have to carefully modulate the winch pedal else the wings 
will fold, and this limits my launch height.

If I just used stiffer wingrods, the wing panels would indeed fail.  If I 
just used stronger wing spars, the wingrods would fail (5/32 is pretty 
marginal!)   Everything has to be considered as a functional unit:  if I 
strengthen A, then B must also be beefed up.

I believe that if I increase the spar stiffness by using a CF/composite spar 
coupled with a larger wingrod that the strength of the entire wing assembly 
will be usefully increased.   I can do reasonable winch launches, although I 
do not see doing the zippy-da-do-da zooms that you get with a polycarbonate 
technowonder...

Intuitively, off the top of my head,  I'm thinking that a 5/16 steel or 
3/8 aluminum wingrod will be a good match to a wing of 99 wingspan and 555 
in^2 area.  It might well be that a 1/4 steel rod would be appropriate.

And then again, in the Ray Hayes incarnation of the Windfree, he may already 
use larger wingrods and stiffer spars than the original '72 kit, so I may 
end up going with his recommendation.

But good comments...

--Bill

From: Dxxx xxx.net
To: Bill Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [RCSE] Next project...
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 14:38:56 -0700

Bill,
I recommend that you don't use larger rods in the Windfree.  I saw a 30 
year
old one fly last weekend, and it does develop MUCHO dihedral on launch, but
the wings never broke.  I suspect that Mark and Rod Smith designed it using
the stock rods,  to keep the wings intact.  If you use larger (read 
stiffer)
wing rods, you will move the stress to the end of the rod, and it will fail
there.  IMHO, the wing needs to flex to survive.
Just my .02 worth.


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Re: [RCSE] Lost sheep returns.

2001-06-29 Thread Bill Malvey

On 6/29/01 5:14 AM, Michael Lachowski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 You forgot the XC folks and of course the DLG folks think they are special
 too.
 
Like the saying goes..

We are all unique, just like everyone else!! :~)


~~

Bill Malvey
Ladera Ranch, California





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[RCSE] Gentle Lady on slope

2001-06-29 Thread Arne Ansper


Hi!

What kind of slope (how big and steep) is required for Gentle Lady? Or is
it impossible or pointless at all? I just attempted to fly mine on the
biggest local slope and was lucky enough to get it back undestroyed. The
slope is steep and quite low (about 15 meter high), the wind was strong
(the plane was moving very slowly). There was some lift near the edge
(plane raised sharply couple of meters), but it was impossible to turn
back (plane was drifting very quickly downwind when I changed the cource).
Was the slope too small? Wind too strong? Or do I just need the aileron
ship?

Arne


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Re: [RCSE] Next project...

2001-06-29 Thread Bill Harris

Good point, Andy.

I'm inclined to keep the Windfree simple, and not add spoilers.  I've 
noticed that I raise the nose and mush it in for a spot landing pretty well.

--Bill


From: Andy Page [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: Re: [RCSE] Next project...
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 16:23:49 -0700

I'm thinking my Windfree will be 2 channel - like the original.
I flew my stretched Questor and an original standard class fairly 
competitively, neither one had spoilers.  Even if you don't win,
its great fun to do well with a less than state of the art design.
That way, you know it was your flying skill that made the difference.

I always found that light, responsive models can be brought down
without spoilers by wagging the rudder at high angle of attack -
kinda like an alternating side slip.  Not as effective as spoilers,
but it's something.

Something large is another story... I think my Bird of Time will
have spoilers.


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IMO, the Windfree looks good in the air.  Mark Smith did a lot of 
legendary flying in the mid-70's with that plane.

Those long skinny wings and light weight seem to make it a bit squirrelly 
on launch.   With 500 in^2 area and 26 oz weight it seems to be a marginal 
open class ship and probably will be out-competed by Unlimited RES 
ships.  But I'll have fun, I already know humility...

Ray Hayes does have a Nostalgia Page at 
http://www.skybench.com/nostalgia/nindex.html .

Y'all, forgot to ask:  spoilers on the Windfree, yea/nay?  I've not seen 
spoilers on any of the Windfree pics I've seen, so they may not have been 
used on this plane.  Practical, yes.  Aesthetic, ??.

--Bill



From: Andy Page [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [RCSE] Next project...
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 12:27:17 -0700

I also just finished a nostalgia model - an Airtronics Questor,
with the same mod I put on the first one 20 years ago, polyhedral
tip panels.  Pretty much makes it a Super Questor, with a slightly
different planform.  So, I guess its not legal for nostalgia.

I have a Windfree on the board now, from the new kit.  This one
always fascinated me back then, but I never had one.  I can't wait
to fly it.  Next project will be a Bird of Time.

Andy



The BoT is on final to completion and it's time to start planning my 
next
project...

I'd just finished my two Nostalgia planes, refurbished 1972 Oly 99 and
Windfree.  I like the way the Windfree flies and looks in the air.  But 
a
30-year old classic like that is fragile and has too much sentimental
value to be thrashed in contests and day-to-day flying.

I've ordered a current Windfree kit from Ray Hayes at Skybench.  I plan 
to
add stronger wingrod and wing spars to withstand modern winches, and
strengthen the fuse to survive the inevitable dorked landing.

As you recall, the wings on the Windfree are long and skinny and plug 
into
the fuse on 5/32 joiner wires.  Each wing panel length is 48, the root
chord is 7 and the tip chord is 4.  D-tube construction, 555 in^2 
area.
Dihedral is 8*, with no poly.

I propose to make the stronger spars using the pre-preg CF
strip/endgrain-balsa and Kevlar-tow wrap composites, per Tony Estep's
DarkStar ( http://www.mvsaclub.com/articles/dark_star.htm ) or Mark 
Drela's
Allegro-Lite
(http://www.charlesriverrc.org/articles/allegrolite2m/markdrela_allegrolite2m.htm
).  The wingrod will be 5/16 or 3/8 aluminum or steel, with the 8*
dihedral bent into it, and will extend 6 into the wing root (as far as 
the
center sheeting).

There are other spar construction methods, but this is the one I am
currently playing with and I'm inclined to continue along this line.

Of course, the bent wingrod will pass through the fuse.  There will be a
sub-frame to transfer the launch loads from the wings to the towhook (or 
is
it vise_versa?)  Towhook plate will be slotted to give an adjustable
towhook.

Pushrods will be .050 CF rod in teflon sheaths.  I considered using
pull-pull cables on the rudder, but this might be a bit tricky on a 
small
plane like this, so I'll likely use conventional rod-and-clevis.

I'll push this to the limit of nostalgia-legal and see where it goes.

--Bill



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Re: [RCSE] I soared every nite this past three weeks...

2001-06-29 Thread Bill Harris

LOL!  Ya woiks with what ya gots...

--Bill


From: Jack Strother [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Bill Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED],[EMAIL PROTECTED],[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [RCSE] I soared every nite this past three weeks...
Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 08:36:54 -0400

Just keep looking up !!!
sooner or later only your foot will get wet !!!
8-)

At 07:23 AM 6/29/01 -0500, Bill Harris wrote:
I wish I were that lucky... I'm so far down the totem pole that all I can
do is stand between the dog and the fire hydrant...

--Bill


From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [RCSE] I soared every nite this past three weeks...
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 23:34:26 EDT


I know what you mean! I rescued a ten minute flight from 50 feet with 6
minutes to go and got waved through the grocery checkout pushing a fully
loaded cart to a standing ovation. The next damn week, I blew a 5 minute
flight and all my credit cards went blank. Sailplanin's a tough way to 
make a
living, especially with all the interruptions of the work week. Sprinkle 
in a
little rain on the weekends and that'll be me climbing the clock tower! 
Go
figure... :)

Bill Wingstedt

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[RCSE] Small Receiver Choices

2001-06-29 Thread Bill Kuhl

What are the choices for a hand launch size receiver that you can easily use
with four servos and a JR 8103 TX?

Thanks,

Bill Kuhl


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Re: [RCSE] Canadian Nationals

2001-06-29 Thread Steve Siebenaler

Stanley,

I heard from Steve Kaluf of the AMA that the Canadian Nationals were canceled this 
year.  We do have a few competitors from the
Great White North joining us in Muncie at the NATS this year.  Get your entry 
postmarked by June 30th, which is tomorrow.

Steve Siebenaler
2001 LSF/AMA Soaring Nationals Registrar

Stanley B. Koch wrote:

 Where and when are the Canadian Nationals?

 STAN

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[RCSE] ASCII Planes

2001-06-29 Thread Rudy Siegel

OK, need a signature plane?  Click the link below and knock yourself out!
Wonder if these come with gyros?



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[RCSE] JU-52

2001-06-29 Thread Tord S Eriksson

Slightly off subject, but the Ju-52 used to tow transport gliders in the
Luftwaffe:

I am interested in kits or plans for the Ju-52! It should not be
the Ju-52/3m, but the single engine version!

Any ideas?

The FMS simulator gives you a fair feeling of the differences when
flying powered (I love the Ju-52/3m) and gliders, but as there is
no wind and no thermal activity it isn't like the real thing!

Does the CockpitMaster simulator include thermals and winds, by the way?

Tord S Eriksson
www.tord.nu

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Re: [RCSE] Next project...

2001-06-29 Thread Stan Mary Jo Myers

Bill:

I've built, rebuilt, and rebuilt, and rebuilt. You get the idea.  I never
had a failure with the J hooks and 1/8 ply bulkhead nor the 3/32 tow hook.
The wings will go W  A  Y  before the tow hook fails. I don't think you have
to re-invent the wheel on this one.

Stan
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From: Bill Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, June 29, 2001 2:03 PM
Subject: Re: [RCSE] Next project...


 Then I'll enjoy my stock '72 Windfree.

 However, I'm not going to build one with 5/32 wingrods attached to 1/8
ply
 bulkheads with #4-40 J-hooks being pulled by a 3/32 fixed towhook.  As
long
 as I'm building it, I'll optimize it, within the boundaries of Nostalgia
 rules, to work with today's winches.

 I know limitations, but I know when to start jogging...

 I'll let you know how it turns out.

 --Bill


 To: Bill Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: [RCSE] Next project...
 Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 07:18:08 -0700
 
 Bill,
 It's always going to fail at the next weakest point.  In the early 60's I
 built up a hot 57 Plymouth, bored to 327, hot cam, etc.  Ran fine, but
then
 I started blowing clutches.  Went to a heavy duty clutch,  started
blowing
 transmissions.  Went to a heavy duty transmission, started loosening
 U-joints.  At his point in time, I sold the car and went to a smaller
stock
 class.  As Clint Eastwood said in Dirty Harry about his superior, He's
a
 good man.  A good man knows his limitations  Planes have them, too.  Why
 not just enjoy the Windfree,  accept lower launches and outfly the
 competition?  I used to do that with a Graupner Amigo II ALL the time!
 Good lift and happy landings!


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Re: [RCSE] info on decalage

2001-06-29 Thread Andy Page

Well, I haven't heard that one, but I didn't study many biplane
configurations during my aero engineering training...

I do know this...Decalage is in fact the correct term, and is the difference 
between the angle of *incidence* of the wing and the horizontal stabilizer.  
These angles are of course both measured from a common horizontal 
reference line.

Angle of attack is something entirely different.  It is generally
defined as the angle between an object's horizontal reference plane and the 
freestream airflow direction.

Somewhere at home I have an old (1979) issue of Model Builder,
with an excellent article on the subject of sailplane design.
The method uses simple guidelines for establishing reasonable
upper and lower bounds for things such as tail areas and moments.
I used it to design a standard class model back then when I was 16.
It flew great.  I might be able to find it...

I also have the Martin Simons book, titled something like
Model Aircraft Aerodynamics.  Good book.  I ran across it at
Barnes  Noble of all places.

Andy


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Going back to my aeronautic training, decalage is not
quite the right term. Decalage is the difference of
angles of attack on the two wings of a biplane. The
Angle of incidence is the difference of the angle of
attack between a wing and horizontal stabilizer. I'm
not one to pick nits but this one has always bothered
me.

Mark Miller

--- Aerofoam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
   does anybody have any idea where i could find a
  book or say a website
   that has equations or rules on finding the amount
  of decalage, tail
   moment, etc. for purposes of designing your own
  planes?
 
  Use full flying stabs and you won't need that info!
 
   Mark Mech
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Re: [RCSE] info on decalage

2001-06-29 Thread Bill Swingle

 decalage is not quite the right term.
 Decalage is the difference of
 angles of attack on the two wings of a biplane.


Really??? Egad, this contradicts what I've heard and used for years. Do I
have to revise my vocabulary? Darn, I hate to be wrong.

If nothing else, there does seem to be wide agreement (by the vast unwashed
masses) on these incorrect definitions. Doesn't make said usage correct of
course but... Why speak if you'll not be understood?

What's the deal?

Bill Swingle
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[RCSE] Altimeters

2001-06-29 Thread Soarer61
HI was wondering if anyone knows of an altimeter that can be installed in a 
sailplane. Thank you in advance Frank 


Re: [RCSE] ASCII Planes

2001-06-29 Thread Andy Page


\ /
\   /
  \ /
   \   /
\ /
 \   /
  \ /
   \   /
\ /
 \ | /
  \|/
   `._ | _.'
 -| |-
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Windfree on macho winch




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Wonder if these come with gyros?



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Re: [RCSE] Is Profi the Answer?You bet ur arse!!

2001-06-29 Thread Karlton Spindle



We are serious so serious in fact we have rejected the 
last batch of crystals. Even though they would have worked but not as well 
as they should have been. This hurt us in the marketplace but I would 
rather not compromise then rush to market.

BTW ALL CHANNELS on the TX side have passed QC in 
Germany and are due in July 18th!

Smooth Sailing,Karlton Spindlehttp://www.MultiplexRC.com

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Steven Meyer 
  To: Jack Strother 
  Cc: Soaring List 
  Sent: Friday, June 29, 2001 3:22 PM
  Subject: Re: [RCSE] Is Profi the 
  Answer?You bet ur arse!!
  That came out wrong.My point is there is a limited 
  choice for frequencies.I assume as MPX get's more serious about the US 
  market they will eventually support all frequencies.SteveAt 
  06:51 AM 6/29/2001 -0400, Jack Strother wrote:
  Steve,you don't get itIts a 
12 channel FUNCTION transmitter!!!Most of the 72MHZ band is 
available for frequencies.come on man  lose the MR. Negative 
!!!8-)jack
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Re: [RCSE] Flash 2 sloper

2001-06-29 Thread Brett Jaffee

Gliderking has some construction pics on his webpage...

http://www.gliderking.com/gliders/Nathan/flashfury.html

Looks kinda tight!

Brett

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 Hi List,
 
 Just ordered the Flash 2 sloper from NSP (ail  flaps) since it is on weekly
 special.
 Any experience/comments, control throw recommendation, links to pictures on
 the web?? Can't wait to get it, should be here fast because they ship this
 one FedEx air only (ouch, $48?!?), and I don't know how revealing the
 instructions are going to be.
 
 Any help is greatly appreciated!
 
 Thanks,
 
 Frank
 
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[RCSE] Slimo's

2001-06-29 Thread David J. Schat

Lack of time made me get rid of my slimers... I love the smell of castor 
oil and methanol burning on a warm sunny morning though. Q-40's, pattern, 
Bipe's all fun for me.

I still fly rocket power RC though love the smell, reminds me of the 
4th of July.

Spud
(closet pyromaniac)

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