Re: [RCSE] Counterbalanced rudders on Nostalgia planes
Good explaination, Bill! Dave Darling RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[RCSE] EC Mark
The EC mark means you have tested your product to the appropriate European Community directive and it passed and you are authorized to sell it all over Europe in the European community, who now share common standards. There are many directives and more coming. For example there is the Machinery Directive and the Electrical Directive. They are pretty comprehensive. My employer manufactures welding equipment. To get the CE approval we had to pass the pull the handle off test and (believe it or not) the raindrop test. Plus, of course various electrical tests. Most electrical or electronic items that are sold internationally now bear the CE mark, the size and proportions of which are also defined! Richard Shilling RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[RCSE] Pacific NW HLG Regional Results
Hello All, August 11th and 12th the Seattle Area Soaring Society hosted the 1st Annal Pacific NW HLG Regional, and what a GREAT WEEKEND!!! The weather was superb (light breeze, high 70's, lots of thermals) the competition was fierce, and the contest ran smoothly, and contestants were treated to T-shirts, lunch, and door prizes included in the price of admission. Special thanks goes to our sponsor, Thermal-Gromit Works(www.tgworks.com), for supplying the contest website, T-shirts, and door prizes (a Goblin kit, tail booms, pushrods, batteries, and servos), and Multiplex for supplying servos (www.multiplexrc.com). Thanks also go to SASS for allowing us to shut down the field for the contest, and the use of the club tent etc. Thanks also go to Boeing Employee Model Rocket Club for use of their public address system. Now, here's a brief synopsis of what happened at the field. Folks started showing up from out of town Thursday night, to take a couple of extra days to see some of the sites of Seattle (keep in mind for next year, Seattle is a top tourist attraction and rental cars and hotel rooms are in short supply). Friday was spent at the field getting things set up with more contestants arriving and some last minute trim flights. The field was in great shape, very nicely mowed, in fact several contestants spent the weekend with bare feet! Saturday broke with a thin cloud cover that quickly burned off, the early morning thermals big enough to take your light trim toss up to speck height! Registration was opened, and with some casualness typical of Seattlites, the contest was on its way by 10am. The rounds were sorted by each contestant's running total scores, so the best pilots always flew against the best and each round was like being in the fly-offs. There were no throw out rounds so the competition was tough every single round. Wing launching has virtually eradicated javelin launching in Seattle, Only one competitor utilized a javelin plane, and only for about half the rounds. What was neat was the discus launch has brought young and old, athletic and not so athletic onto a level playing field as far as launch height. It has also made much more of the airspace around the field accessible, bringing a lot more terrain into play, giving pilots a good challenge to make their times for each task. Saturday's competition was started with the flight groups being announced. Early on, the top competitors started sifting to the top. Six rounds were flown Saturday with a brief lunch break with Quizno's subs and chips. Jim Pearson, Adam Weston, Breck Baldwin, Tim Johnson, and Dick Barker were all close at the end of the day. After the competition Saturday, the contestants were invited to a relaxing dinner at the nearby Red Hook Brewery's Pub. Contestants' significant others were invited, and many an HLG tale was shared over a few mugs of beverage. Sunday morning, we were back at it, with another great lunch and a very tight margin between the top competitors within 100 points. Four more regular rounds were flown and the top eight competitors moved on to a person-on-person fly-off. Phil Pearson and his Encore managed to move up from 6th to be in the running at the beginning of the fly-offs. The three rounds were a close battle between Jim and Adam for 1st place and Dick, Mark Bryan, Tim Johnson and Phil Pearson for 3rd. Jonathan Bryan and Breck Baldwin were also in the fly-offs. Breck was struggling with off-field landings and Jonathan was able to pass him in the finals for 7th place. Dick made a hard push in the finals winning the first two rounds but faltered in the third ending up in 6th. Mark Bryan faltered a little and ended up in 5, and Tim Johnson fought hard to gain 4th place. Phil finished in 3rd, Adam in 2nd and Jim Pearson was the winner, all flying Encores, so the top three finishers were flying those slick Kevlar ships. Thanks again to all those who contributed to the event. Thanks also to all the out of town folks who came to Seattle to compete. I think everyone had a blast at this premier HLG event. For all of you who fly HLG's keep a space open in your calendar for next year's Pacific NW HLG Regional, we hope it will become one of the top events on the HLG circuit. Thermals, RED -- Adam Weston HLG Contest Director Seattle Area Soaring Society RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[RCSE] Pacific NW HLG Regional final standings
Sorry, I meant to send this with the original posting: The detailed scores will also be posted (in the next day or so) on the contest website: http://www.tgworks.com/pacific_nw_hlg_regional.htm Name Total === 1 Pearson, Jim 12,818 Encore 2 Weston, Adam 12,477 Encore 3 Pearson, Phil 11,946 Encore (own design) 4 Johnson, Tim 11,738 Cosmos (own design) 5 Bryan, Mark 11,653 Tweener 6 Barker, Dick 11,639 Uplink (own design) 7 Bryan, Jonathan 11,432 Tweener (own design) 8 Baldwin, Breck 11,239 Raptor 9 Skotvold, Ole 8,873 Tweener 10 Woebkenberg, Ryan 8,430 Ionosphere, Dizzy Bird 11 Anstead, David 8,171 Uplink, Ionosphere 12 Anstead, Lauren 8,130 Uplink, Ionosphere 13 Naugler, Tim 7,689 Uplink (missed 2 rounds on Saturday) 14 Young, Russ 7,596 Tweener 15 Bangham, Al 6,714 own design 16 Allison, Jay 6,674 Xterminator 17 Clarke, Paul 4,214 Uplink (only flew Saturday) Thermals, RED -- Adam Weston Seattle, WA RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [RCSE] Nostalgia--why modify?? the CSS Sailaire One Design
As you travel the soaring circuit, you'll notice that many people just gotta fiddle with the norm. Sailaires with flaps, Gentle Ladies with bullet-proof wings, etc. While I admire the purists -- I fly a dead-stock Sailaire whose wing is as light as they get, and nearly touches tip-to-tip on a winch -- I also admire the seekers out there who express themselves and their curiosity with little tweaks here and there, just to satisfy the what ifs that occur from time-to-time. Recognizing both sides of the coin, I offer the Sailaire One Design contest at the Cincinnati Soaring Society field on September 8th. The main class is stock, NOS-legal Sailaires. However, the second class is for those modified NOS planes, the stepchildren of curious builders. Come on out and see some NOS oddities for yourself, e.g., Dick Pratt's Sailaire with the long tail boom -- this one may have inspired the Logic (g), or Bill Friend's Sailaire with huge flaps -- you won't believe how this plane can come down, much like a Mantis -- and Ed Franz' Sailaire, acquired from Jack Strother, you know, the big orange pig with a wing you could use to send infantry across a river! Join us on the 8th and fly with both the sinners and saints of NOS. It's 15-minutes tasks all day with runway landings. Just imaging those big old Sail-Pigs sliding in for a 100 landing, or trimmed out for hands-off thermaling. It's a laid back good old time where the winches loaf all day long. See you there, Rudy RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[RCSE] retriever line snags
just want to thank everyone for the numerous responses to my question. the snag problem was corrected on the line was more tightly wrapped on the retriever. -- Gregory Ciurpita Lucent Technologies - Bell Laboratories Room 1E-434A, Crawfords Corner Road, Holmdel NJ 07733-3030 732-949-5771, fax 732-949-0272, [EMAIL PROTECTED] RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[RCSE] FW: [FAIsoaring] WC F3B
I hope this is still new news. Tom Copp -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 17, 2001 4:25 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:[FAIsoaring] WC F3B This is the first report from the Czech Republic. The euro-tour contest started today in a slow tempo. Many of the WC contries are flying in the event, but not all. The reigning WC Darryl Perkins blow up his model (Icon) during launch. The flying field is big and open and the teams has been training on it since monday. The weather has been good whole week with temperatures above 30 degreese and very light wind (except today when it was 4-6 m/s) More to come... /Stefan == Send mail to the list at address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To [Un]Subscribe go to the list-homepage: http://www.cirrus-rcfk.no/faisoaring/ or send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This list is maintained by Cirrus RC Flyklubb, Norway by Inge Balswick, E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [RCSE] Counterbalanced rudders on Nostalgia planes
I myself am running a counterbalanced rudder on my Paragon as per the rules (my first Paragon had it eliminated, non-legal) and I can tell you it is a pain in the backside, but that is the way the rules are written. It's a pain because it flutters on launch and breaks a lot but I have just outlined the structure in CF to see if that helps. Not much you can do with sticks on an open bay structure so I launch a little less severe. BTW, I will be sending out an announcement for rules change proposals next month if you feel strongly, add this to the list to be voted on. I for one would not like to see a lot of little exceptions, like this, to the rules as that defeats the original intent of the rules (AKA. It's a nostalgia plane, except). They are really easy to enforce now and if you CD something like the NATS like I do, it really helps to have really simple rules. I am still getting static from the purist for allowing spoilers to be added on planes that did not have them. It is still a voting process and we would see how things go in that stage to be held the first quarter of 2002. Jack Iafret [EMAIL PROTECTED] Keeper of the Nostalgia Rules - Original Message - From: Marc Gellart [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: RCSE [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Jack Iafret [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2001 1:54 PM Subject: RE: [RCSE] Counterbalanced rudders on Nostalgia planes Dave I do not think people are sayingh there is great difference between the two. But in most cases you can only do so much structurally to one of these ships internally to make it stronger, and the reason that is allowed is because launch equipment now is not what it was in 1975 when I went to my first contest. Lets face it, weight is a major issue here, and second, most guys are flying ships built a while back, my Grand was built in about '85. And to the later part of who says, Jack iafret does and he is the guy that got off his duff, wrote us some rules, and has been steadfast in supporting this event. To me it is an elegant event, I love flying it because I like my plane, they are fun and relaxing, and I do not feel that I am out launched by anybody in Nos contests because none of them are that strong. I will fly it against the RES guys too, just like the ship. Should I say that it has a gyro in it too? Marc -Original Message- From: Dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2001 10:10 AM To: RCSE Subject: [RCSE] Counterbalanced rudders on Nostalgia planes There has been some input on the list regarding counterbalanced rudders on planes like the Oly II, Aquila, Viking, etc. Even some knowledgeable Level V LSFers have jumped into the fray, stating that the planes should be built according to plans. Who says? IMHO, there is a great difference between sheeting the upper leading edge of an Oly II and eliminating the counterbalance on the rudder. The former example is a change of the airfoil, almost like putting a 3021 on an Oly, while the latter is perhaps more obvious, but only involves the turning response. Many years ago, I had a conversation with a great flyer who worked for the late Lee Renaud and now builds and flies models for movies and TV. He related his opinion that Mr. Renaud liked to put counterbalanced rudders on everything he built, even if they detracted from the overall design and efficiency. This is not meant in any way to detract from the many accomplishments of Mr. Renaud, but is just an observation. So, I would submit to you esteemed readers, if the overall shape of the rudder side view is unchanged, how could this be less legal than carbon reinforcement, larger spars and wing rods used by many in Nostalgia class to outlaunch their fellow competitors? You guys be the judges. Dave Darling RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [RCSE] Counterbalanced rudders on Nostalgia planes
Marc: They are not as responsive as fin/rudder. And...at speed they tend to wing walk . I never experienced the afore mentioned on my Windfree's that's perhaps because they had a smaller aero-balanced rudder and no poly. Some of you tech guys out there may have a more technical explanation. Stan - Original Message - From: Marc Gellart [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: RCSE [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Jack Iafret [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2001 12:54 PM Subject: RE: [RCSE] Counterbalanced rudders on Nostalgia planes Dave I do not think people are sayingh there is great difference between the two. But in most cases you can only do so much structurally to one of these ships internally to make it stronger, and the reason that is allowed is because launch equipment now is not what it was in 1975 when I went to my first contest. Lets face it, weight is a major issue here, and second, most guys are flying ships built a while back, my Grand was built in about '85. And to the later part of who says, Jack iafret does and he is the guy that got off his duff, wrote us some rules, and has been steadfast in supporting this event. To me it is an elegant event, I love flying it because I like my plane, they are fun and relaxing, and I do not feel that I am out launched by anybody in Nos contests because none of them are that strong. I will fly it against the RES guys too, just like the ship. Should I say that it has a gyro in it too? Marc -Original Message- From: Dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2001 10:10 AM To: RCSE Subject: [RCSE] Counterbalanced rudders on Nostalgia planes There has been some input on the list regarding counterbalanced rudders on planes like the Oly II, Aquila, Viking, etc. Even some knowledgeable Level V LSFers have jumped into the fray, stating that the planes should be built according to plans. Who says? IMHO, there is a great difference between sheeting the upper leading edge of an Oly II and eliminating the counterbalance on the rudder. The former example is a change of the airfoil, almost like putting a 3021 on an Oly, while the latter is perhaps more obvious, but only involves the turning response. Many years ago, I had a conversation with a great flyer who worked for the late Lee Renaud and now builds and flies models for movies and TV. He related his opinion that Mr. Renaud liked to put counterbalanced rudders on everything he built, even if they detracted from the overall design and efficiency. This is not meant in any way to detract from the many accomplishments of Mr. Renaud, but is just an observation. So, I would submit to you esteemed readers, if the overall shape of the rudder side view is unchanged, how could this be less legal than carbon reinforcement, larger spars and wing rods used by many in Nostalgia class to outlaunch their fellow competitors? You guys be the judges. Dave Darling RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[RCSE] Reminder - SOAR CALIFORNIA LABOR DAY FUN-FLY
A gaggle of mad slopers decide to abandon all reasonable ideas for Labor Day Weekend and go to the one place they know they'll actually enjoy themselves - the slope. Their friends and families have long given up on the planned slopaholics intervention and simply agree to the idea with a weary shrug and a silent prayer that someday the insanity will stop. Soar California is a chance for PSS flyers to come together for 3 days of flying and seaside fun. You don't need a PSS plane to hang out and fly, but this event is focused on fast glass replicas of jets, warbirds and other scale planes. Some of the finest slope pilots on the West Coast will be attending, including world-class PSS designers Brian Laird and Carl Maas, as well as noted sailplane videomaker Dave Reese (hey, maybe you and you're plane will wind up in a video!). This will be a fantastic opportunity to show off your planes and flying skills. You'll also get a chance to have an up-close look at some of the finest examples of PSS craftsmanship on the planet. Davenport, California is a world-famous slope site along the Northern California coast. Home of the annual Unlimited Man-on-Man soaring event (which can be seen in Paul Naton's classic Endless Lift II video), Davenport is a 350' vertical- seacliff with a spectacular view of the Pacific Ocean. Gorgeous beaches, the Santa Cruz boardwalk, the Monterey Bay Aquarium, stunning Big Sur, quaint Carmel, the Golden Gate Bridge and San Francisco are all within an hour's drive and provide plenty of great daytrips for flyers and non-flyers alike. The event is a pure fun-fly, with no contests per se. There may be some warbird racing if there is enough interest but the emphasis is on sport flying, looking at great planes, enjoying the beauiful scenery and hanging out with other PSS folk. Pilots are requested to carry AMA insurance and fly responsibly. There is no charge for participating or spectating. Please see http://www.bigraft.com/soarca.html for more details. -- Reed Sherman Big Raft Creative Media 415.346.9166 w 415.239.0239 w/h 261 Onondaga Avenue San Francisco, CA 94112 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [RCSE] Nostalgia--why modify??
JE: The first BoT I built was from Dave's kit. As I recall he kitted about 70 BoT's it was the lighted of the three I have built. Can't remember exactly but was in mid 40's and your right its fine in dead still air, but whenever do you fly in those conditions? I found that a 52 oz(7 oz per') it fly's best. I built this one with solid(used hard rock maple as dihedral brace) center section with plug in tips. I have the servo mounted just behind spare with Sullivan cable(small) hooked directly to spoilers. Because I used small horns on servo, I adjusted the horn on the blade to get 90 degrees erection. I've had spoilers on everything I've built since my Windward/Windfree days. When you take picture with new spoilers. send it to me. You really did a fine job of building/covering. Stan - Original Message - From: John Erickson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Stan Mary Jo Myers [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2001 6:16 PM Subject: Re: [RCSE] Nostalgia--why modify?? Stan, Nice looking plane! You have sheeted more than what I did with the stock kit. Looks very sleek. I consistently have people telling me that I've got a beautiful plane. Wish I had designed it! Thornberg knew what he was doing. I just installed some Multiplex spoilers recently. I haven't flown it with them yet. I had been slow getting spoilers as I loved the simplicity of just the rudder and elevator. I had done well in contests flying by the seat of my pants, but this last contest had downwind and crosswind landings. Forget it! No chance to be consistent without spoilers and a good skeg. I ended up putting a 1/4 brass tube embedded in a block of hard balsa. I glued it to the fuselage former at the trailing edge of the wing. I take a 3/16 carbon fiber rod and use this as my skeg. It fits right inside the brass tube. It stops it right now. Nice because it is removeable. The weight of the plane keeps going up with every modification. At one point, I had a flying weight of 43 oz. Now I'm closer to 52. Spoilers were heavy, but to tell you the truth, 43 oz was way too light. I had no upwind penetration. It does thermal like red tail, however. Of all the planes I've owned, it indicates lift better than any (with the exception of some of my handlaunch planes). It climbs like crazy in any type of lift. JE -- Erickson Architects John R. Erickson, AIA From: Stan Mary Jo Myers [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 17:47:30 -0500 To: John Erickson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [RCSE] Nostalgia--why modify?? JE: Thanks for pic's .Goood looking..I'm using trans red with a trans yellow band running at 45 degrees out at mid tip. But instead of white leading edge I'm using yellow. Enclosed is pic of plane as of right now. PS Yard needs mowing. Stan - Original Message - From: John Erickson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Stan Mary Jo Myers [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2001 5:23 PM Subject: Re: [RCSE] Nostalgia--why modify?? Stan, Here you go! JE -- Erickson Architects John R. Erickson, AIA From: Stan Mary Jo Myers [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 14:34:27 -0500 To: John Erickson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [RCSE] Nostalgia--why modify?? JE: Would you send me a picture of your BoT? I'm in process of covering mine. Always enjoy looking at other BoT's Stan - Original Message - From: John Erickson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Soaring List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2001 12:52 PM Subject: Re: [RCSE] Nostalgia--why modify?? Having a six volt winch with RES and Nostalgia planes is a good thing. At the recent Pasadena 2 day contest they had a six volt set up, and it was a real treat to peddle up my Bird of Time without worrying about blowing it up. If you get any type of headwind or thermal blowing through, you can get surprisingly good altitude without the big zoom we are all accustomed to. Kiting really works well. JE -- Erickson Architects John R. Erickson, AIA From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 13:29:48 EDT To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [RCSE] Nostalgia--why modify?? Bill, Just read the rest of your post. At my RES/Nostalgia contest I will have 12v winches with retreiver, in addition I will have a six volt winch with a retriever and a hi-start. I will make every effort to help Nostalgia planes get decent launches without risking destruction. Mike RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [RCSE] FW: [FAIsoaring] WC F3B
It's news to me, anyway. BTW, it appears that Roman Vojtech, over in Czech, might be posting updates of the contest on his Lomcovak site. There's nothing there yet, but i might be worth it to check his page periodically... http://www.volny.cz/danyf3b/f3bwcchrudim.htm Tom Copp wrote: I hope this is still new news. Tom Copp -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 17, 2001 4:25 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:[FAIsoaring] WC F3B This is the first report from the Czech Republic. The euro-tour contest started today in a slow tempo. Many of the WC contries are flying in the event, but not all. The reigning WC Darryl Perkins blow up his model (Icon) during launch. The flying field is big and open and the teams has been training on it since monday. The weather has been good whole week with temperatures above 30 degreese and very light wind (except today when it was 4-6 m/s) More to come... /Stefan == Send mail to the list at address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To [Un]Subscribe go to the list-homepage: http://www.cirrus-rcfk.no/faisoaring/ or send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This list is maintained by Cirrus RC Flyklubb, Norway by Inge Balswick, E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- _ Brett Jaffee [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.earthlink.net/~jaffee The Unoffical Extra 300 Home Page http://www.bayarea.net/~nathan/extra300 OnTheWay Quake 3 Server Utility http://www.planetquake.com/ontheway _ RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[RCSE] Re: Mars Glider
Cool! Detail shots at this NASA website http://amesnews.arc.nasa.gov/releases/2001/01images/marsplane/marsplane.html reveal an RnR logo on the plane, and control surface linkages appear to be standard R/C style - not bad for Mach 0.82:-O Thomas RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[RCSE] Pacific Coast slopers vs. Endangered Species
While glancing at the local (San Mateo County Times) newspaper today (Aug. 16) I spotted an article that should be of interest to every slope flyer living near the U.S. Pacific Coast. The first paragraph of the article states. Flying kites and model airplanes on beaches is just one of many sandy activities that could cause irreparable harm to a tiny white shorebird, the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service has found. The following link will take you to the article on the newspapers website http://www.sanmateotimes-ang.com/default.asp?puid=374spuid=374indx=1037805 article=on The U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service press release can be read at this link http://news.fws.gov/newsreleases/display.cfm?NewsID=50923B32-458E-4BA1-AD935 6586B251163 And the Draft Recovery Plan can be found here http://pacific.fws.gov/es/snowyplover/default.htm Just browsing through the Recovery Plan I recognized quite a few popular West Coast slope sites, and while I haven't yet found a reference to model aircraft, I have seen kites mentioned. If you are a slope flyer in the Western U.S. I would suggest that you read the newspaper article, and Fish and Wildlife documents above, and pass the word to your local flyers, clubs, hobby shops, etc. Ken Barnes Pass the Spotted Owl - and the barbecue sauce, Please RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[RCSE] Re: Pacific Coast slopers vs. Endangered Species- link correction
Sorry, Outlook Express decided to shorten 2 of the links in my original message. To view the newspaper article or Fish and Wildlife Service press release copy the following lines and paste them into your browser. To view the newspaper article type www. and then paste sanmateotimes-ang.com/default.asp?puid=374spuid=374indx=1037805article=on To view the Fish and Wildlife Service press release.. type http:// and then paste news.fws.gov/newsreleases/display.cfm?NewsID=50923B32-458E-4BA1-AD9356586B25 1163 The Draft Plan link in the original message works correctly. Sorry about that Ken - Original Message - From: Ken Barnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2001 8:43 PM Subject: [RCSE] Pacific Coast slopers vs. Endangered Species While glancing at the local (San Mateo County Times) newspaper today (Aug. 16) I spotted an article that should be of interest to every slope flyer living near the U.S. Pacific Coast. The first paragraph of the article states. Flying kites and model airplanes on beaches is just one of many sandy activities that could cause irreparable harm to a tiny white shorebird, the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service has found. The following link will take you to the article on the newspapers website http://www.sanmateotimes-ang.com/default.asp?puid=374spuid=374indx=1037805 article=on The U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service press release can be read at this link http://news.fws.gov/newsreleases/display.cfm?NewsID=50923B32-458E-4BA1-AD935 6586B251163 And the Draft Recovery Plan can be found here http://pacific.fws.gov/es/snowyplover/default.htm Just browsing through the Recovery Plan I recognized quite a few popular West Coast slope sites, and while I haven't yet found a reference to model aircraft, I have seen kites mentioned. If you are a slope flyer in the Western U.S. I would suggest that you read the newspaper article, and Fish and Wildlife documents above, and pass the word to your local flyers, clubs, hobby shops, etc. Ken Barnes Pass the Spotted Owl - and the barbecue sauce, Please RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
