RE: [RCSE] 8103 flap anomaly still unsolved.
I came on this late, so maybe you heard this before, subtrims and travel volumes are not transfered with the data safe. Servos have different characteristics out of the box. The RDS mechanics may vary slightly from plane to plane as they are hand made for each application, right? A simple test is to put identical traditional servo arms on the servos in each plane and test for equal travel john RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
Re: [RCSE] For those that enjoy building and flying wood built up sailplanes
Hi Pat, Thanks for the good input and please send photos because I don't have a clue what the AVA is. But don't think I'm opposed to anything that comes out of a mold. I'm a live and let live person wishing more people could say the same. One point of clarification: Any proposal I make to AMA concerning a class for wood sailplanes will be done to try and help preserve attention to wood construction and will have nothing to do with my Wood Crafters competition tasks that we fly. I love the WC longest flight task, Don Harris won it last year with a one hour and twenty minute flight and I think he stood up the whole time, as you know, there are no bushes at the AMA flying site. The proposal will be for a class and not a task. Wood Crafters is already restricted to woodys with or without glass/epoxy/carbon/kevlar/spectra/ fiberglass fuses (whew) and you can be sure I will retain the format. We have 70 people signed up so far this May and I have room for a few more plus Team Entry (one or more flying on the same frequency). I should add that a few of last years entrants started flying competition after discovering it was fun flying with a bunch of guys. Ray - Original Message - From: Pat McCleave [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: RCSE [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 10:27 PM Subject: Re: [RCSE] For those that enjoy building and flying wood built up sailplanes Ray and others, I did not attend last years event since I am the kind of guy who loves to spend every possible penny I can on molded stuff, but from all of the posts following the event, it must have been a great success. As I recall most the event was basically fun flying and mostly lots of soaring. Why make it an event and muddle it up with a bunch of rules that someone is going to find ways around or ways to push the envelope to get that competitive edge. I myself do not have the patience nor do I take the time to build woody models but I marvel at the great ones like Jim Porter, the late Ed Harris, Mickey Sullivan and many others too numerous to mention. Ray, I say keep it a builders class and fly for bragging rights of who has the most gorgeous airplane and who can have the most fun. We already have Nostalgia, and RES that will allow woody builders to compete if they want to. Keep this thing you started simple and fun and leave it at that. You probably had the largest turnout for a fun fly as any soaring event in the country last year. Don't blow it by making it just another contest format. BTW, will my new AVA from Kennedy Composites qualify. It has lots of wood in it, and a little carbon'kevlar and glass? I can send you pictures so you can see if it will. :o) See Ya, Pat McCleave Wichita, KS RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
[RCSE] Your LSF Claim....
Dear Ray, I do not mind that you Have to take Credit for creating the sticks that make fire. However, Your claim to Have created the LSF Club Co Ordinator Program as you indicate below is totally BOGUS. I have been an active LSF Member since 1976, and have never heard of your claim. The Program DID not exits as an Official, (Documented) LSF Program, until I became Vice President of the LSF several years ago. I created the program, as well as work with people across the United States to energize the LSF Program, with Hand to hand contact, without trying to sell them something.. This was put in place as opposed to trying to recreate the Regional Soaring Contest in the NSS version, due to the Housekeeping headache. Which by the way seems to have worked. The Closest thing that the LSF had was the Country Coordinator Program, that is Documented, and was spearheaded by John Vennerholm. Granted you were a pioneer, as many of the other lesser known, and more sedate offerings on this list. You can Make any claim you want, but we have the documentation, Respectfully Jack Strother LSF President At 01:09 PM 2/28/2003 -0500, Ray Hayes. Web Site http://www.skybench.com wrote: Lets try this one again... - Original Message - From: Ray Hayes. Web Site http://www.skybench.com; [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Ronald Sinclair [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 5:28 AM Subject: Re: [RCSE] For those that enjoy building and flying wood built up sailplanes Mike, Thanks for your comments on line, I have had several positive responses off line from the exchange, however, I have had many responses from the Wood Crafters mailing list that together have all been very helpful in formulating a competition for sailplanes restricted to WOOD construction, with or without a glass fuse. As you know, many of us thought that RES was going to be an entry level competition and most thought it would be with Gentle Ladies or similar designs. Obviously it didn't turn out that way because of human nature, so Jim Porter is right about being specific on the intent when writing up a proposal to AMA. I feel compelled to try and put something in the AMA rule book that will help keep a competition class specifically for WOOD construction. This is where many of the newcomers enter our great hobby, but are poorly served by club contest activities due to the absence of a wood only class event. Any wood only event in the AMA rule book is not going to change most clubs activity to include wood only events because the clubs are generally run by those that do not embrace wood construction. But, it is a starting point to give those that enjoy building and flying wood sailplanes a chance to mobilize enough support to have their clubs put on a wood only event. The most obvious AMA class to help wood enthusiasts would be a RES WOOD ONLY class. For those of you that think I have a private agenda, your wrong again, unless you define private agenda as someone willing to try something new that will promote the health and well being of our hobby. Is it not obvious to all that what most clubs are doing (or not doing) is not successfully promoting the hobby, certainly not the organized event we commonly refer to as a sailplane contest. I have been a very active participant in Cal Posthuma's Michigan Soaring League for years and have seen it go from 50 entrants in the good old days to 15 last year. When it gets down to 5 or 10 entrants, what do you think will happen ? One of the best Michigan contest is way up there in Traverse City and they still get a good turn out for their events. I have had a long history of doing what I can think of to promote the hobby, some of my creations are the LSF Club Co Ordinator program, the LOFT club in Fort Wayne, IN, a Mini Hi Start event aimed at beginners that I ran for three years in Michigan, and more. So if this kind of activity is defined as private agenda, one can easily understand why few people step out of the box to try something different to promote the hobby. By the way, the first sailplane contest I put on was November, 1974. So as time permits, I will formulate some proposals aimed at wood only AMA classes and will appreciate input from all that are interested. 70 people are now signed up for my Wood Crafters event in Muncie, IN and I am considering holding the event in several locations around the country per year. Watch for the red van pulling the white trailer driven by a white haired guy with a big smile on his face. It is just a whole lot of fun. Also, watch for the announcement of a Wood Crafters Postal event, maybe it will become a world wide event. Maybe Jim Porter would like to get in on this one since he is in Germany. What would be a good date ??? I'm thinking one of the three days of Wood Crafters..May 23,24,25. Participants could have there choice of one of the three
[RCSE] Re: Your LSF Claim....
Jack, I'm glad you don't mind if I take credit for creating sticks that make fire (h), but, I think your the only person that would say that. It sounds a little silly coming from a LSF President, but maybe you think you have license to try and put people down. The program I created was called R/C Sailplane Club Program and I have a copy of the written program that was fist introduced to the Greater Detroit Soaring and Hiking Society in 1997 and was embraced by Jack Iafret in the club's contests and newsletter. Memory tells me that Cal Posthuma, who likely was the LSF President at the time introduced it to LSF with some modification to it by a club in a western state that I can't recall the name of. I would appreciate it if Cal would clarify this for me and the readers of RCSE. Ray - Original Message - From: Jack Strother [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Ray Hayes. Web Site http://www.skybench.com; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2003 7:13 AM Subject: Your LSF Claim Dear Ray, I do not mind that you Have to take Credit for creating the sticks that make fire. However, Your claim to Have created the LSF Club Co Ordinator Program as you indicate below is totally BOGUS. I have been an active LSF Member since 1976, and have never heard of your claim. The Program DID not exits as an Official, (Documented) LSF Program, until I became Vice President of the LSF several years ago. I created the program, as well as work with people across the United States to energize the LSF Program, with Hand to hand contact, without trying to sell them something.. This was put in place as opposed to trying to recreate the Regional Soaring Contest in the NSS version, due to the Housekeeping headache. Which by the way seems to have worked. The Closest thing that the LSF had was the Country Coordinator Program, that is Documented, and was spearheaded by John Vennerholm. Granted you were a pioneer, as many of the other lesser known, and more sedate offerings on this list. You can Make any claim you want, but we have the documentation, Respectfully Jack Strother LSF President At 01:09 PM 2/28/2003 -0500, Ray Hayes. Web Site http://www.skybench.com wrote: Lets try this one again... - Original Message - From: Ray Hayes. Web Site http://www.skybench.com; [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Ronald Sinclair [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 5:28 AM Subject: Re: [RCSE] For those that enjoy building and flying wood built up sailplanes Mike, Thanks for your comments on line, I have had several positive responses off line from the exchange, however, I have had many responses from the Wood Crafters mailing list that together have all been very helpful in formulating a competition for sailplanes restricted to WOOD construction, with or without a glass fuse. As you know, many of us thought that RES was going to be an entry level competition and most thought it would be with Gentle Ladies or similar designs. Obviously it didn't turn out that way because of human nature, so Jim Porter is right about being specific on the intent when writing up a proposal to AMA. I feel compelled to try and put something in the AMA rule book that will help keep a competition class specifically for WOOD construction. This is where many of the newcomers enter our great hobby, but are poorly served by club contest activities due to the absence of a wood only class event. Any wood only event in the AMA rule book is not going to change most clubs activity to include wood only events because the clubs are generally run by those that do not embrace wood construction. But, it is a starting point to give those that enjoy building and flying wood sailplanes a chance to mobilize enough support to have their clubs put on a wood only event. The most obvious AMA class to help wood enthusiasts would be a RES WOOD ONLY class. For those of you that think I have a private agenda, your wrong again, unless you define private agenda as someone willing to try something new that will promote the health and well being of our hobby. Is it not obvious to all that what most clubs are doing (or not doing) is not successfully promoting the hobby, certainly not the organized event we commonly refer to as a sailplane contest. I have been a very active participant in Cal Posthuma's Michigan Soaring League for years and have seen it go from 50 entrants in the good old days to 15 last year. When it gets down to 5 or 10 entrants, what do you think will happen ? One of the best Michigan contest is way up there in Traverse City and they still get a good turn out for their events. I have had a long history of doing what I can think of to promote the hobby, some of my creations are the LSF Club Co Ordinator program, the LOFT
[RCSE] Re: Your LSF Claim....
Ray is essentially correct. I do not remember the western club part. I did incorporate the concept from Ray Hayes original idea with some modification. It is a good program no matter who takes credit and I sure don't mean this to be that I do. Cal Posthuma former LSF President GVRC Newsletter editor GVRC Soaring Field Vice-President Michigan Soaring League Secretary GVRC LSF Coordinator AMA LSFV LSF 2997 Amateur Radio Operator KA8CLD AMA Leader Member and Contest Director AMA District 7 Web Page: www.ALTELCO.NET/~calplsf/index.html Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Phone: 616-997-1905 Cell: 616-240-3972 - Original Message - From: Ray Hayes. Web Site http://www.skybench.com; [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Jack Iafret [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Calvin Posthuma [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Jack Strother [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2003 7:37 AM Subject: Re: Your LSF Claim Jack, I'm glad you don't mind if I take credit for creating sticks that make fire (h), but, I think your the only person that would say that. It sounds a little silly coming from a LSF President, but maybe you think you have license to try and put people down. The program I created was called R/C Sailplane Club Program and I have a copy of the written program that was fist introduced to the Greater Detroit Soaring and Hiking Society in 1997 and was embraced by Jack Iafret in the club's contests and newsletter. Memory tells me that Cal Posthuma, who likely was the LSF President at the time introduced it to LSF with some modification to it by a club in a western state that I can't recall the name of. I would appreciate it if Cal would clarify this for me and the readers of RCSE. Ray - Original Message - From: Jack Strother [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Ray Hayes. Web Site http://www.skybench.com; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2003 7:13 AM Subject: Your LSF Claim Dear Ray, I do not mind that you Have to take Credit for creating the sticks that make fire. However, Your claim to Have created the LSF Club Co Ordinator Program as you indicate below is totally BOGUS. I have been an active LSF Member since 1976, and have never heard of your claim. The Program DID not exits as an Official, (Documented) LSF Program, until I became Vice President of the LSF several years ago. I created the program, as well as work with people across the United States to energize the LSF Program, with Hand to hand contact, without trying to sell them something.. This was put in place as opposed to trying to recreate the Regional Soaring Contest in the NSS version, due to the Housekeeping headache. Which by the way seems to have worked. The Closest thing that the LSF had was the Country Coordinator Program, that is Documented, and was spearheaded by John Vennerholm. Granted you were a pioneer, as many of the other lesser known, and more sedate offerings on this list. You can Make any claim you want, but we have the documentation, Respectfully Jack Strother LSF President At 01:09 PM 2/28/2003 -0500, Ray Hayes. Web Site http://www.skybench.com wrote: Lets try this one again... - Original Message - From: Ray Hayes. Web Site http://www.skybench.com; [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Ronald Sinclair [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 5:28 AM Subject: Re: [RCSE] For those that enjoy building and flying wood built up sailplanes Mike, Thanks for your comments on line, I have had several positive responses off line from the exchange, however, I have had many responses from the Wood Crafters mailing list that together have all been very helpful in formulating a competition for sailplanes restricted to WOOD construction, with or without a glass fuse. As you know, many of us thought that RES was going to be an entry level competition and most thought it would be with Gentle Ladies or similar designs. Obviously it didn't turn out that way because of human nature, so Jim Porter is right about being specific on the intent when writing up a proposal to AMA. I feel compelled to try and put something in the AMA rule book that will help keep a competition class specifically for WOOD construction. This is where many of the newcomers enter our great hobby, but are poorly served by club contest activities due to the absence of a wood only class event. Any wood only event in the AMA rule book is not going to change most clubs activity to include wood only events because the clubs are generally run by those that do not embrace wood construction. But, it is a starting point to give those that enjoy building and flying wood sailplanes a chance to mobilize enough support to have their clubs put on a wood only event. The most obvious AMA
[RCSE] Fire sticks
Why don't you guys throw water on your fire sticks and let it cool off. Iam sure the members here would rather it be that way.Cal GVRC Newsletter editorGVRC Soaring Field Vice-PresidentMichigan Soaring League SecretaryGVRC LSF CoordinatorAMA LSFV LSF 2997 Amateur Radio Operator KA8CLDAMA Leader Member and Contest DirectorAMA District 7Web Page: www.ALTELCO.NET/~calplsf/index.htmlEmail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Phone: 616-997-1905 Cell: 616-240-3972
RE: [RCSE] Fire sticks
Great point. The signal to noise ratio on RCSE seems to be getting smaller. There are truly some excellent threads on soaring and I appreciate all the excellent advice I get on this list. However it sickens me to see such public displays of anger on RCSE, especially by people who should be acting in a more professional demeanor as leaders of our community. -Original Message-From: Cal Posthuma [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2003 8:05 AMTo: Jack StrotherCc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [RCSE] Fire sticks Why don't you guys throw water on your fire sticks and let it cool off. Iam sure the members here would rather it be that way.Cal GVRC Newsletter editorGVRC Soaring Field Vice-PresidentMichigan Soaring League SecretaryGVRC LSF CoordinatorAMA LSFV LSF 2997 Amateur Radio Operator KA8CLDAMA Leader Member and Contest DirectorAMA District 7Web Page: www.ALTELCO.NET/~calplsf/index.htmlEmail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Phone: 616-997-1905 Cell: 616-240-3972
[RCSE] cured epoxy question
Title: Message Is epoxy safe for skin contact once it has cured? Does it become chemically inert? It appears that way, but I thought I'd ask the experts... TIA, Jim Thorne
Re: [RCSE] LMR Contests in Mid-Atlantic?
Its a little further south that 'mid' Atlantic but there's one May 22,23,24 in Fayetteville, GA http://www.fayetteflyers.com/2002calendar.html Dave RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
Re: [RCSE] casa memorial open date?
Check out www.e-s-l.org for all the Eastern Soaring League events. CASA is the weekend after labor day weekend. Douglas, Brent wrote: Hello, I'm trying to get the DARTS calendar up to date - anyone know the date for CASA's open this year? Isn't it usually in September? Thanks, Brent RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
Re: [RCSE] Flying on Maui
Lynn Meredith King wrote: Good day all. I have a friend going to Maui for two weeks. Is their any possibility some one could show him ( Walt Gerfin ) where the flying takes place??? He is interested of course in models, however, he would be up for full scale also. Walt will not be bringing anything to fly, just watch. Any help would be greatly appreciated. No! don't go to Maui without taking some airplanes. Great place to fly with great slopes. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
Re: [RCSE] For those that enjoy building and flying wood built up sailplanes
Ray, I think you should consider using the word (composite) in place of fiberglass. That would better describe your intent for fuselage construction methods. Glad to be able to help define the intentions of a rule. Mike Remus Your Dreams are the seedlings of reality, DREAM LOFTY DREAMS !!! On Sat, 1 Mar 2003 06:56:28 -0500 Ray Hayes. Web Site http://www.skybench.com; [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Pat, Thanks for the good input and please send photos because I don't have a clue what the AVA is. But don't think I'm opposed to anything that comes out of a mold. I'm a live and let live person wishing more people could say the same. One point of clarification: Any proposal I make to AMA concerning a class for wood sailplanes will be done to try and help preserve attention to wood construction and will have nothing to do with my Wood Crafters competition tasks that we fly. I love the WC longest flight task, Don Harris won it last year with a one hour and twenty minute flight and I think he stood up the whole time, as you know, there are no bushes at the AMA flying site. The proposal will be for a class and not a task. Wood Crafters is already restricted to woodys with or without glass/epoxy/carbon/kevlar/spectra/ fiberglass fuses (whew) and you can be sure I will retain the format. We have 70 people signed up so far this May and I have room for a few more plus Team Entry (one or more flying on the same frequency). I should add that a few of last years entrants started flying competition after discovering it was fun flying with a bunch of guys. Ray - Original Message - From: Pat McCleave [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: RCSE [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 10:27 PM Subject: Re: [RCSE] For those that enjoy building and flying wood built up sailplanes Ray and others, I did not attend last years event since I am the kind of guy who loves to spend every possible penny I can on molded stuff, but from all of the posts following the event, it must have been a great success. As I recall most the event was basically fun flying and mostly lots of soaring. Why make it an event and muddle it up with a bunch of rules that someone is going to find ways around or ways to push the envelope to get that competitive edge. I myself do not have the patience nor do I take the time to build woody models but I marvel at the great ones like Jim Porter, the late Ed Harris, Mickey Sullivan and many others too numerous to mention. Ray, I say keep it a builders class and fly for bragging rights of who has the most gorgeous airplane and who can have the most fun. We already have Nostalgia, and RES that will allow woody builders to compete if they want to. Keep this thing you started simple and fun and leave it at that. You probably had the largest turnout for a fun fly as any soaring event in the country last year. Don't blow it by making it just another contest format. BTW, will my new AVA from Kennedy Composites qualify. It has lots of wood in it, and a little carbon'kevlar and glass? I can send you pictures so you can see if it will. :o) See Ya, Pat McCleave Wichita, KS RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
Re: [RCSE] Flying Rules
Brian You guys let Gullet and Stone fly:-0? Denny Maize www.polecataero.com 717-789-0146
Re: [RCSE] Flying Rules
At 08:01 PM 3/1/2003, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Brian You guys let Gullet and Stone fly:-0? Heh heh heh Jim Downers Grove, IL Member of the Chicago SOAR club, AMA 592537 LSF 7560 Level III ICQ 6997780 R/C Soaring Page at www.jimbacus.net
Re: [RCSE] For those that enjoy building and flying wood built up sailplanes
Ray if you want a wood built up class make it all wood, that means a wood fuse. or call it a composite class. Martin Doney Baldwin, MI(the middle of nowhere) RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
Re: [RCSE] Flying Rules
Hey Jim Don't you need me to do some kind of research work for your company in AZ or Mexico or something? Denny Maize www.polecataero.com 717-789-0146
[RCSE] FS: Litco Alpha 4 $275
Used Litco Alpha 4. $275 Quite possibly the rarest and most coveted battery charger on earth! OK maybe not, but they are damn hard to get. If you don't want to wait until July 10th for the order list to open again (last time I believe it was open for 12 Minutes) This is your chance! If you don't know what it is or just want more information go to: http://home.att.net/~LitcoSys/indx.htm Here are some pics of the charger and accessories I'll give you with it: Just the Charger: http://www.public.iastate.edu/~orman/gliderpics/alpha4-small.jpg Alpha 4 with all accessories: http://www.public.iastate.edu/~orman/gliderpics/alpha4all-medium.jpg The charging wires are all homemade and I can't testify they will last forever. This is normal, Litco does not make or sell the wires. Litco does sell the end that plugs into the charger, but these are available at Radio Shack as well. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
Re: [RCSE] Servo calculator
The link to it from the main page seems to be gone but the page is still where it used to be: http://www.multiplexrc.com/calcservo.htm The old web site is still accessible at http://www.multiplexrc.com/home.html, not sure if the 'products' link should actually link to that page. Frank - Original Message - From: Stan Koch [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: MAN [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2003 2:21 PM Subject: [RCSE] Servo calculator Which site provides servo application chart. Karlton' did b I can not locate it. Thanks...STAN RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
Re: [RCSE] For those that enjoy building and flying wood built up sailplanes
Please don't make the same mistake the RES rules did. The rules did not adequately specify the class as to what it's original intent was and look where it is now. It's certainly not a simple, introductory level competitive event. Of course, almost by definition a competitive event develops a life of it's own and circumvents the originators intents unless the rules are very well written. Pray tell oh man of great wisdom, how would thee have divined the rules so as to not commit the same error as did the RES rules? What, in your esteemed opinion, should have been included in the current RES rules so as to, adequately specify the class as to what it's original intent was? Just curious... Bob Johnson Fond du lac, WI Do I detect a note of sarcasm here? Or perhaps a full song? I have never claimed any great wisdom, nor any divinity, but I do have an opinion, not that I have ever thought of it as esteemed - nor do you seem to. But that's all right, as a reasoned discussion 'might' generate a better set of rules this time. I would do the same thing I recommended when first asked at the Toledo show several years ago when the RES class was first discussed. It's quite simple - WOOD ONLY for the basic structure. I'd allow a glassed wood fuselage as a surface finish and composite reinforcements internal to any of the WOOD structure, but NOTHING else - no foam; no bagged, molded or composite flying surfaces or fuselages. I'd also toss out the usual landing tasks and make it a simple in or out, and a fairly large one at that - perhaps a fifty foot square? I'm not sure this is enough, but then again I haven't put any serious thought into the rules since originally asked about them several years ago. Perhaps others have, and can add some definition to the problem and the rules. What would YOU suggest? I think Ray's proposal has definite merit and would benefit from a constructive approach to the discussion. regards, Jim Porter Neckargemund-Dilsberg Germany The airplane stays up because it doesn't have the time to fall. Orville Wright RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
[RCSE] Dr. Dan's Email
Anyone have it? RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
RE: [RCSE] Fire sticks
Title: Message Since we're on the subject Hawaii...Are there flying sites on Kauai? I'm going to be there in April/May and would love to find some sites on the south side of the island. From: battada001 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2003 2:54 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED] As I mentioned before since another tirade on this exchange, it must be either cabin fever or the winters there on the continent is really getting to people. As we say in this part of the world: LUCKY WE LIVE HAWAII!!! Aloha and all to the best to all on RCSE, Al Battad WH6VE AMA #506981 BTW, it is 78 degrees here on MAUI and the trade wind is blowing about 15 to 30 mph (got the JW, LUCKY, and RENEGADE juiced up and ready to soar!) -Original Message-From: Stuart Hall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2003 3:40 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: RE: [RCSE] Fire sticks Great point. The "signal to noise ratio" on RCSE seems to be getting smaller. There are truly some excellent threads on soaring and I appreciate all the excellent advice I get on this list. However it sickens me to see such public displays of anger on RCSE, especially by people who should be acting in a more professional demeanor as leaders of our community. -Original Message-From: Cal Posthuma [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2003 8:05 AMTo: Jack StrotherCc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [RCSE] Fire sticks Why don't you guys throw water on your fire sticks and let it cool off. Iam sure the members here would rather it be that way.Cal GVRC Newsletter editorGVRC Soaring Field Vice-PresidentMichigan Soaring League SecretaryGVRC LSF CoordinatorAMA LSFV LSF 2997 Amateur Radio Operator KA8CLDAMA Leader Member and Contest DirectorAMA District 7Web Page: www.ALTELCO.NET/~calplsf/index.htmlEmail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Phone: 616-997-1905 Cell: 616-240-3972
[RCSE] AutoCad Question
I got my first plotted plans today. Wow! I can't believe how nice they are. My question for the group is where to go to get them plotted when you need them. These were plotted by a friend at his workplace...he's the one that got me started drawing this way. Kinko's gave me a disk and told me that when I got ready, I had to convert them to their format. It doesn't work. It converts word documents and pictures, but not dwg files...or am I missing something...Doh! I am good at missing stuff...any help would have me spending most of my modelling dollars on cad plots..at least right at first... Jack Womack Real men scratch build, and draw with AutoCad... __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
[RCSE] Re: Soaring V1 #1602
What is going on? The last two issues have been the header and the rest of the text solid black with some addresses at the bottom. Changing the background color results in no message either. Dennis in NH RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
[RCSE] Genie #24 has flown! Great day!
Well, enough fussing with the radio. It was such a nice day today with 50 degrees, light wind, white clouds and occasional sun, I decided to fly the ship in spite of what I considered insufficient down flap available. With 5 oz. lead I had built into the nose, the all up flying weight was 97 oz. . . .just right! The smaller receiver, smaller R E servos and smaller battery pack require the extra lead to balance and the wing had been moved forward an inch over prior versions. At the community college grounds, I had it all to myself. . . .not a soccer player, kite flyer or baseball player in sight. This was a rare occasion! After the first handlaunch, which required no change in trim, I ran it up on the highstart 200 feet or so using no down flap. All was stable and I did some easy turns for starters. I have 100 feet of that 3/8 black rubber with 1/8 walls Aerofoam now handles. There is 630 feet of line on it. Give me 20 MPH wind and I can get about 700 feet high on it, kiting up. Next I stretched it further and got to 300 or so and poked around for thermals. Like its predecessors, this GENIE's tip and tail are fine lift indicators. Those new light stabs weigh 1/2 oz. each. The center section is like a board, but the tips, as expected using the clockspring steel for supports, flex a little where they butt the center. The RDS drive shafts slip into pockets at the inboard ends of the ailerons. . .nothing to hook up at all and the wing is totally clean. Soon I was into lift and nicely rising and turning. I started my little tests with the infamous dive test. Ah. . .just a slight hands off pull out tendency from an induced dive. All is going smoothly. I gingerly input down flap (finally got them to drop about 65 degrees) at safe altitude. Great. . .the ship has a slight diving attitude and is slowing well enough. It is behaving without drifting off to one side as could occasionally be a problem when the center section was 6' long and all flapped. I left off the dreaded shark's teeth skid and as expected, it went about 50 feet after touch down on the mowed grass. Next launch, I stretched further and dropped the flaps 3/8. Oops, I had to input some down elevator to keep up the airspeed or it wanted to fall off to one side. This wing transitions from the thinned SD7036 at the center to the SD 7003 at the tips without twist washout and is supposed to give aerodynamic washout. Well, it won't go up as steeply on the highstart without dropping off as does the 7036-7038 combo with a little twist tor tip stall control, but it's faster. However this wing will be fine on the high start with more wind or under winch power. It's great. . .better than I figured it would be. It should zoom like crazy. On another launch I went for broke and probably got to 350. Little thermals were everywhere and I could easily go up at will. I shot up to 500 feet as part of a 10 minute flight.The CC is only a mile from the airport and the people in the tower are cooperative if traffic is light and my intentions made known. Heidi welcomed my call, we arrived at an understanding and I had her blessing for good flying. With gentle lift all around the place I could really cover ground with a bit of down pressure on the elevator stick. Only a couple of planes came by in my 2 hours there, so the sky was sort of all mine. From that 500 feet, it was a good time to check the vertical descent capability. I dropped the flaps that full 65 degrees and put it into vertical descent. It was was totally controlled and I continued with down flap to a landing. It slowed well and I punched the nose in for a short skid. AOK! I went for broke again, again got into good lift. Time to check inverted turn capability. A half loop and push the stick forward to hold it level. Ah. . .very easy to keep in a 360 turn. Okay, time for a fast flyby. I made a dive from 400 feet toward my eyeballs and then veered off about 10 feet off the deck and headed out again and back up to 300 or so with the energy retention from the 6 pound ship. It is so quiet! Great! Another nice landing and there was nothing more to prove. I packed up and headed home to enjoy some of the navy bean, sauteed onions and ham hocks soup that had been simmering in my absence. It was just right, too. Wish you could have been with me. What a great day! I'll bet not one other 80 plus year old senior in this town had as much fun as I did today! A pic of #24 by the pickup be on the website as soon as friend Loren Jennings gets it added. In a day or so, check out www.proptwisters.org/genie/genie.html. If you want to see it now, ask me for it. I like the new wing with the shorter 58 center and longer tips to make up the same 145-1/2 span.The proportions look nice and a 58 center is easier to handle and transporrt than the prior 72 one. Harley Michaelis, 26 S. Roosevelt, Walla Walla, WA 99362, ph. (509) 529-2562 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe
[RCSE] Wanted: Escape right wing
I'm looking for an Escape right wing. Yellow top, blue bottom, but other colors considered. Thanks, Bob RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
[RCSE] Signal to noise ratio
Someone said ... ...Why don't you guys throw water on your fire sticks and let it cool off... And while your at it check that HTML button the email RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
