Re: [RCSE] Hi-Start HELP

2003-09-25 Thread Stan Myers
Mark:  I have used your 3 meter rubber on my BoT w/o any problems extending
rubber 3x original length.  I made mine a 3piece wing.  Center section has a
full hardrock maple joiner going three bays on either side of the center
line.  Also used 3/4oz glass cloth on the sheeting 3 or 4 bays on each side.
1/4" nylon bolt in front of main spar and 4:40 nylon bolt at the trailing
edge for hold downs.
Stan

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> I now own an ARF
> > > BOT and would like to know from some who have flown one off a hi-start
what
> > > kind you would recommend.
>
> I have had a few of these inquiries and I honestly don't know what to
recommend,
> especially
> since they are folding up on launch frequently.
> My gut feeling is that the 2m comp. would be the best bet, but it SHOULD
be able
> to take the 3m. rubber.
> What do those of you that fly the BOT think?
>
> Mark Mech
> www.aerofoam.com
>
>
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Re: [RCSE] Hi-Start HELP

2003-09-25 Thread Aerofoam
> The weight of the BOT is around 60 oz. or 3.75 lbs.  The rubber
> should have a cross section (unstretched) of around 0.1 sq. in.  That
> weight of rubber is usually described by words like "standard", "3
> meter", "L" or "heavy duty".

A good rule of thumb is that the rubber should have a tension equal to
3 to 5 times the weight of the plane being launched.
The variable is the strength of the plane. A strong composite plane can
probably take up to 8 times it's weight in pull, but do you really want that?
My 2m comp. rubber would be about right for a semi fragile 3.6lb plane because
it has about 12lbs of pull at a medium stretch. If you normally fly
with a bunch of guys with 3m and you also fly 3m planes, you will probably
want the 3m tubing to be more versatile, but you may not be able to stretch
it as far with the fragile plane and may not make it to the top of the launch if you
under stretch the rubber.
Again, I will wait and listen to the "sages" on the list who have experience
with the BOT.

Mark Mech
www.aerofoam.com


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[RCSE] Scale Dihedral Question...

2003-09-25 Thread Stan & Teresa Lewis
I'm building a "new" ship from an old fuselage.  I know the airfoil, chord, 
etc.  I am in an quandry as to the joiner construction area.

What I want is an "standard" size aluminum tube joiner (probably from Gator 
R/C) that is straight.  I don't think a "pre-bent" joiner will go through 
the fuselage due to width (but willing to listen).  Right now 7/16 (9/16 
with phenolic tubes) X 8" is about as big as I can get, assuming a 3 degree 
dihedral per wing panel (6 degree's total).  I have top/bottom spruce spars 
(36" long) with shear webs as well.  I feel that this is too small of a 
joiner.  Almost forgot the span is 4.5 meters.  Wing is to be covered in 
Obeechi.  Weight will be "average" (whatever that means).  I would like the 
plane to be strong enough to be mildly-aerobatic.

Looking for input,

1) reduce dihedral (plane less stable, but what do most scale ships use) to 
4 or 3 degrees total?
2) remove spruce spars and go with root rib/sub rib and add CF unidirection 
(full-span)?
3) go with a pre-bent joiner tube?
4) switch to a CF rod with approx. 7/16 dia? Steel rod (weight 
consideration **)?
5) switch to a glass laminate instead of obeechi? (really would like to 
stay with the obeechi)

I realize that there is no one "correct" answer so I really am fishing for 
ideas/experience here!  I really would not like to have $300 in the wing by 
going with full chord/span CF/Glass.

+Stan


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Re: [RCSE] New plane

2003-09-25 Thread Iflyicrash
In a message dated 9/25/03 9:53:06 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


Acquila XL
- BIG, slow, built up, spoilers, if you want em


Yup, I built & fly an Aquila XL, beautiful flying plane. 150"   105oz,  1640 sq.in.   Nice kit to build.  Bill G


Re: [RCSE] New plane

2003-09-25 Thread Rick Van Clief
A lot of really good planes like this over on Ray Hayes' site.  Check out 
http://www.skybench.com/

RVC

At 06:29 PM 9/25/03 -0500, you wrote:

I'm up for a new plane and would like your advice.
Plane will be used for LONG duration flights.
I like to fly slow, Falcon 880 too fast, Little bird 2 meter too slow
Landing precision not important
RES, or add ailerons, built up best
Not ARF
Richard Mertins
Milton, FL

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