Re: [RCSE] RE: landing contests
Let's just accept landings as part of the TD competition scene and move on. Personally I support going to a simple 6-inch in or out landing task. Make the landing 10% of each flight total. Then use a sliding time scale away from the target time. 3 points per second under for the first 5 seconds, then 2 points per second out to 10 seconds and then the old point per second past 10 under. Same thing for over time except that after 10 seconds over you zero your flight. Oh and you have to fly blindfolded, at night, with no moon. It is competition after all. ~~~ Bill Malvey RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
Re: [RCSE] RE: landing contests
Great point! However, I could make the same point about flying inverted. If you can't do it then you're probably vulnerable to disorientation, and therefore equally dangerous to be with. Jeb. --- Lincoln Ross <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I think even if they are somewhat devalued that > precision in landing > should still count for something. It's a real safety > factor. Very > apparent when flying with groups that include both > contest flyers and > non-contest flyers, and keeping track of who you > have to keep an eye on > when their plane gets low. > > RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane > News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests > to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that > subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in > text only format with MIME turned off. __ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
[RCSE] Re: TD
TD is not about soaring, so why not just use big motors? Cheaper than winches, and none of that pesky thermalling. And no need for those expensive, non-rectangular molded carbon planes. You can get your materials from the lumber aisle in Home Despot. P.S. suggest change to [EMAIL PROTECTED] P.P.S. this is another one of those "modest proposals" RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
Re: [RCSE] A fun task for a Saturday night
At 11:34 AM -0600 11/5/03, James V. Bacus wrote: At 11:12 AM 11/5/2003, you wrote: Great, to risk a $1500.00 plane for $5.00 award! I risk that plane every time I fly it, no matter what the task is, and it's over 2K worth of gear, $1500 won't even get you a new one without radio gear. Wow, that makes my 1:3 scale 5 m ASK13 at 2700.00 looks cheap. I feel much better now. Thank you. Brian -- Brian Chan, Trapped in the Jungle of Bureaucratic Lead Tape and Sinking. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
[RCSE] RE: landing contests
I think even if they are somewhat devalued that precision in landing should still count for something. It's a real safety factor. Very apparent when flying with groups that include both contest flyers and non-contest flyers, and keeping track of who you have to keep an eye on when their plane gets low. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
Re: [RCSE] A fun task for a Saturday night
At 11:12 AM 11/5/2003, you wrote: Great, to risk a $1500.00 plane for $5.00 award! I risk that plane every time I fly it, no matter what the task is, and it's over 2K worth of gear, $1500 won't even get you a new one without radio gear. And we weren't betting when we were having fun with our little game, we were just doing it to try something different and see what our limits were. The guys I fly with tend to do that, test our limits in various aspects of this sport/hobby. BTW, we were the only ones on the field too. If you didn't want to play, I wouldn't force you to, nobody would. If you did want to play and you brought up a $60 foamie, I'd welcome you just the same. BTW, I won't tell you how to have fun because I wouldn't have a clue to what "flips your bic", please give me the same consideration. Jim Downers Grove, IL Member of the Chicago SOAR club, AMA 592537LSF 7560 Level IV ICQ: 6997780 AIM: InventorJim R/C Soaring blog at www.jimbacus.net RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
Re: [RCSE] A fun task for a Saturday night
> >I played that game before with the McCarthy's one day, I ended up > >winning this with an ICON, full winch launch and zoom to landing in > >17 seconds. We all had several attempts that were less than 20 > >seconds but had to end the contest when all the models had one or > >both flap servos separated from their mounts... and that was not > >from the ground fellas! 8-) > > Why not make this real interesting. Add 1 second to your time for every inch you are off the 100 spot? (Sorry, I couldn't resist) Ron Kukral SOAR Chicago RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
Re: [RCSE] A fun task for a Saturday night
At 10:40 AM -0600 11/5/03, James V. Bacus wrote: At 09:48 AM 11/5/2003, Danny C Williams wrote: Option one: *A launch as high as you can ( using a LoLo) and giving a point for each foot of altitude for launch.. *Then taking away points for time in the air *and giving points for landing to a standard AMA tape... So this does not become a destruction derby maybe make it a three round contest, or say the heck with it and make a one round takes all. every one puts 5$ (or Ten and five goes to the F3J Team), in the pot, and the top three~five take home the bootie... I played that game before with the McCarthy's one day, I ended up winning this with an ICON, full winch launch and zoom to landing in 17 seconds. We all had several attempts that were less than 20 seconds but had to end the contest when all the models had one or both flap servos separated from their mounts... and that was not from the ground fellas! 8-) Great, to risk a $1500.00 plane for $5.00 award! Brian -- Brian Chan, Trapped in the Jungle of Bureaucratic Lead Tape and Sinking. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
[RCSE] Scale?
Greetings! I see lots of people compare TD/F3J/F3B to scale. I am a full scale glider pilot.. In the past I have given glider intro rides. Lots of them. There is no points for anything! Yes you have to land at the field preferably! And I can land and stop at the same spot everytime. Gliders are equipped to land very well. They also have wheel brakes that work very well. This is simple energy management. That is basically what flying is all about! When a pilot in a TD contest can't make it back to the tape? Energy management! When a pilot approaches the landing tape with good conditions into the wind, and has lots of speed and DORK's it? Energy management! To stay up in soft conditions? Energy management! In full scale competition they have lots of points similar to our point system. They get points for speed and distance. Not for landings! But they do have to land back at the field. Thats a task in it's self concidering the distance they traveled. I do have question's about R/C scale meets. What do they do? Are there any points? Why do most of the tow planes look like a giant square fuselage with a park bench wing on it? I have never seen a real tow plane like this! So you have this beautiful three thousand dollar glider towed up with a thing that doesn't look like anything! I have watched several video's of launches and landings.. Real tow planes can't tow straight up! Again not scale! And 99% of the glider landings were very sketchy.. Lots of bouncing, ground looping, rolling off the runway into the rough. And several breaks on landing... I guess I don't get it? It's suppose to be scale! It doesn't look like scale! Well the only thing that looks scale is the glider. And there were a few nice looking tow planes.. But very few! Thanks for the thread! Cheers Charlie RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
Re: [RCSE] A fun task for a Saturday night
At 09:48 AM 11/5/2003, Danny C Williams wrote: Option one: *A launch as high as you can ( using a LoLo) and giving a point for each foot of altitude for launch.. *Then taking away points for time in the air *and giving points for landing to a standard AMA tape... So this does not become a destruction derby maybe make it a three round contest, or say the heck with it and make a one round takes all. every one puts 5$ (or Ten and five goes to the F3J Team), in the pot, and the top three~five take home the bootie... I played that game before with the McCarthy's one day, I ended up winning this with an ICON, full winch launch and zoom to landing in 17 seconds. We all had several attempts that were less than 20 seconds but had to end the contest when all the models had one or both flap servos separated from their mounts... and that was not from the ground fellas! 8-) Jim Downers Grove, IL Member of the Chicago SOAR club, AMA 592537LSF 7560 Level IV ICQ: 6997780 AIM: InventorJim R/C Soaring blog at www.jimbacus.net RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
[RCSE] A fun task for a Saturday night
This was in a different message, I thought I would split it out and see what every one thinks. I was thinking of CDing a fun task for a Saturday night contest at the SWC and Visalia.and maybe at the NATS... Option one: *A launch as high as you can ( using a LoLo) and giving a point for each foot of altitude for launch.. *Then taking away points for time in the air *and giving points for landing to a standard AMA tape... So this does not become a destruction derby maybe make it a three round contest, or say the heck with it and make a one round takes all. every one puts 5$ (or Ten and five goes to the F3J Team), in the pot, and the top three~five take home the bootie... Option two: ( a little less devious) * Winch launch. * Three round add em up no max limit on flight time and landing points more like the F5B landing task. the only catch is that it is done after dark. (Muhahahaha). Let me know that you think would be most fun to watch and to fly.. and if I can get some help maybe we can do both!!! Dr. Dan Williams Prez of the RMSA
[RCSE] Contest Fun
A few years ago our club ran an impromptu contest, the point of which was to see who could get to the highest altitude within a set time. One of the fellows had an altimeter watch, and we would move it from plane to plane. Each contestant had a short time---I think it was 4 minutes, to get as high as possible, and then was required to land immediately. The winner had something like 2700 feet of gain. It was lots of fun. We called it the Viagra Cup. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
Re: [RCSE] Re: scoring landings
I'm taking notes. We'll have to try this out some weekend and see how it works. Thanks Steve and Joe - Rob Glover > > > It does sound interesting enough to try. It would be easy to make a tape > with 10,9,8,7, > What kind of measurement breakdown? Using the "goofy" English system means > we use 5% for each 6 inches? 10 foot radius circle. Too big? > or > Metric: 5% per decimeter, 2 meter radius circle. I like how that sounds. > > Maybe next year. Winter is approaching fast. > Next time I get volunteered to be CD, look out. > > > Steve Meyer > > > At 09:02 AM 11/4/2003 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >I am starting to hear a lot of good ideas pop up on how to freshen up the > >TD format. I'd like to make one quick point - a CD at an AMA contest has > >the option to adopt pretty much any changes as long as it does not > >negatively effect safety. Of coures the CD needs to let folks know about > >changes in advance if he doesn't want to get lynched (or maybe winched). > > > >I really like the way that this one sounds. You might see it get tried out > >somewhere that I CD. Blame that Joe Guy. > > > >Happy trails - Rob Glover > > > > > ... > > > > > > As a quick revisit, how about making the max landing (the normal "100") > > > worth exactly 10% of the flight time? If you get an 80 on the tape, > > you get > > > an additional 8% of your flight time, etc. The scoring process would then > > > be: > > > > > > Raw score = (flight time in seconds) x (1 + landing/1000) > > > Flight score = 1000 x (Your raw score)/(Max raw score) > > > > > > This assumes that the max landing points is 100. > > > > > > This would answer your point, and still capture the > essence > > > of my point. > > > > > > Joe RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
[RCSE] F3B Eagle and Shark for sale
I am clearing out my garage and have two airplanes for sale. I will have pictures available this coming weekend. First I have one molded SD7003 F3B Eagle for sale. This plane is vintage 1992, purchased after Joe and Daryl's success at the 1991 WC's. It is in very good condition, never crashed or abused, now with fresh paint. White on top and red on bottom. Complete with Airtronics 141's in the wings and Futaba S3002's in the fuselage. Ready to drop in an rx and fly. This would make a great slope racer, it is VERY fast. $500 or best offer. Second is a Clyde Duncan Shark. It is a 60" slope rocket. This is a carbon winged, glass over plywood fuselage version, produced in 1998. It too is in very good condition with fresh paint. Red on top, black on bottom. This has two Futaba S3002's in the wings and 1 S3002 in the fuselage. $225 or best. -Aaron Valdes RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
[RCSE] On the topic of Doing it..versus commenting about it
You know those ucky unfair Thermal Duration trick landings, with way too much point emphasis on landing points? The guys who currently participate (read that 'do it' ), get up on Saturday mornings at about 5 am to travel hundreds of miles in order to make the pilots meeting of those oh so unfair non soaring events with the idea of whipping any tasks assigned. In many cases they do it every weekend during the season. They spend thousands on gas getting there, a bunch on food, and motels. In the case of national events we travel thousands of miles, and spend thousands of bucks. Add into that the cost of our ships, servos, and top of the line radios and have been, and will continue to, in order to attempt to complete the crappy tasks and scoring systems assigned that morning. We do it., We pay for it, we work for that money to pay for it to do it. Excuse us if we wonder why someone not doing it would feel compared to comment on something they aren't involved in and can't possibly understand the fun and challenge of. We CHOSE to participate, no one forces us to be involved. We do it cuz its fun... trick, ungraceful landings or not :-) Fee free to comment...IF you are involved. I do :-) GordyEvansville tonite, St Louis Contest Saturday...340 miles from my house.
