RE: [RCSE] Antenna Wire

2004-11-20 Thread Sheldon - YNT uDesign
Mark,

Find a dead PC Mouse, cut the cable off, carefully strip the outer jacket
off, and you'll have more antenna wire than you know what to do with!

-Sheldon-
YNT uDesign

-Original Message-
From: Mark Williams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 4:40 PM
To: RCSE
Subject: [RCSE] Antenna Wire


Does anybody have a good source for receiver antenna wire? I have 3
receivers that I would like to replace the wire on. One was in my Graphite
and I extended it to 1/4 wave length outside of the fuselage using one
conductor I stripped from some Hitec servo wire. I would prefer to obtain a
reasonable quantity of single conductor wire.

Thanks,
Mark



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[RCSE] Phil..Center Panel dihedral

2004-11-20 Thread Bob Peck
Phil;
   If you wanted to incorporate a little dihedral in the center panel of a 
3 piece wing, what would be your procedure?

   Thank you for all that you give back the modeling community. Sharing 
your expertise has provided the help to eliminate a lot of time consuming 
and costly errors.

   Bob Peck

   Tulsa 

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[RCSE] Pre-Christmas Sale....

2004-11-20 Thread Stan Lewis
In other words..I'd like to buy myself some other toys... ;-)

For sale:  Ace DigiPace II battery cycler/charger, FMA SuperNova battery
cycler/charger.

Both units are in great condition, but I don't need two battery cycler/chargers
when I do need a unit capable of LiPo/LiIon as well as NiCad/NiMh/Pb.

Deal at $100 or both for $175.

+Stan

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[RCSE] Psyko is sold

2004-11-20 Thread Michael Conte
It's sold!
Mike
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[RCSE] Re: Foam Defects

2004-11-20 Thread RegDave
I don't think you've shown any evidence that excess vacuum causes  surface
defects. You should at least have a theory as to how that  happens.
 
The idea was that the lower compression strength foam has a higher  
displacement response. While testing the foam, it's very obvious that the  
compressive 
displacement is a continuous (and apparently non-linear) function of  applied 
weight. So as more pressure is exerted on the more compressible foam, it  
should displace inward more than the lower compliance foam. At some point, the  
path length around the core surface shrinks enough (while the skin does not)  
that the skin should buckle inward somewhat, perhaps leaving indentations.
 
At least for the most recent samples, that was not a significant  response.
 
If you mean a longer cure time for the wax then I can tell you that  that is
not an issue.
 
No, I meant for the epoxy. I'm waiting ~ 24 hours before opening the  bag. 
Until recently, the basement ran ~ 80F but the temperature is dropping  slowly 
so, in the absence of a heater, I should probably leave them bagged ~ 48  hours 
and then check the release quality. Or get a heater. The comments on the  
ease with which the mylars should come off is very helpful. That's about the 
way  
the Turtle Wax is working but it is a soft wax and leaves a residue.
 
At what point does the carbon become fuzzed up?
 
While rolling it out on the beds. It's a uni sheet with cross stitches. I'm  
changing to uniweb and the fabrics you recommended in a recent post - thank 
you  very much for that summary,
 
I pick up a few loose hairs on the roller and wind up dropping them nearby.  
It's not very much but black shows up real well against a pink background. 
This  is purely a technique thing but as these wings get closer to emerging 
from 
the  bowels of the workshop, appearance starts to be an issue. I'll work on  
that.
 
***
 
Guys, every time you view Phil's video, you learn something new. The DVD  
format is great for going over a particular step in detail. After adding up the 
 
templates and leftovers in the shop, I've probably bagged over 100 wings over  
the past 7 years - mostly HLG/DLG for myself. So when this latest problem 
showed  up, it was a real surprise. Both the videos and the comments here have 
been very  helpful - in some cases for identifying what is not the problem.
 
I still suspect pressure may be a variable for this light foam and layup.  
However, if I had to blame one thing, the most likely culprit is handling the  
cores while peeling the mylars. If you have to slide your finger under the 
mylar  to get it off, you may have a problem. If you have to tug real hard to 
pull 
it  off, you may get a small delam somewhere (at least for this very light 
layup).  Experience seems to suggest the 25psi foam is a bit more robust than 
the 15. 
 
Although there's been a hiatus from bagging for ~ 2 yrs, my notes from  
earlier indicate Foamular 250 with CSTs Partall (Green) never had this problem. 
 
Cheap is never obsolete - but it can be costly in the long run.
 
Thanks for all the input,
 
- Dave R
 
PS - In the previous post I mentioned ACS as a supplier - sorry, that  should 
be ACP (as in Phil's note). 
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[RCSE] Items For Sale

2004-11-20 Thread Steve Siebenaler
For the following items are for sale.  Please contact Kurt Hayden at
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 

- Samba Models Pike Plus Light (NIB) (yellow/purple): $700 
   with 6 Hitec DS168 servos: $1060.00 

- Stork (white/blue) 6ch unlimited sailplane w/ battery: $300.00 

- RnR Summa (red) 3CH composite sailplane: $50.00 

- Airtronics Stylus radio w/ sailplane card: $400.00 

- Little Big Winch: $400.00 

If anybody is interested, I'll take some digital pics and send them to the
interested party. I'll be in LA this week - be back 19 Nov.

Regards,
Kurt Hayden
(937) 320-1945 (home)
(937) 545-3098 (cell)



Steve Siebenaler
Cincinnati, Ohio  USA  




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[RCSE] Nyx for sale Any one interested??

2004-11-20 Thread LJolly

I have an F3J D Tube NYX   Yellow on Top Blue on Bottom Red Accents that I would like to sell. The model has about 25 flights, and has never been damaged. The model is assembled with 6 - JR 368 Digital servos and comes with ballast bar. I am asking $1150.00 and hope that someone is in need of a nice F3J- TD model.. Thank you Larry Jolly  714-675-8787 


RE: [RCSE] Phil..Center Panel dihedral

2004-11-20 Thread Phil Barnes
--Original Message-
From: Bob Peck [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

If you wanted to incorporate a little dihedral in the center panel of
a 3 piece wing, what would be your procedure?

In my experience I have been able to bag wings with a maximum of about 5
degrees of dihedral as one piece. The only limiting factor is the mylar
being forced to make compound curves in the area of the dihedral joint. I
know I used to bag one piece WACO two meter wings with single top and bottom
mylars. I can't remember what the dihedral angle was but it was between 3
and 5 degrees, I think. At some maximum dihedral angle you will need to
start using separate mylars on each side of the dihedral joint or at least
make relief cuts along the chord line of the mylar for some distance. The
only down side of using separate mylars or relief cuts is a slight cosmetic
issue since you will be left with an unsightly line where the mylars are not
continuous. The separate left and right mylars can be joined with a flexible
plastic tape on the back side. This tape will hold the mylars together but
allow the seam to open sligthly as needed when the mylars are forced to
conform to the dihedral angle at the same time that they also must follow
the wing curvature.

You will need some sort of dihedral bed to bag the wing panel on top of.
With low dihedral angles, you can just make the outer foam cutting templates
taller than the center templates and the foam beds themselves will give the
needed dihedral angle. If your dihedral angle is too large and/or your foam
board too thin, you will need to construct some sort of thing to bag the
center panel over that has the correct angle. This could be constructed of
plywood or you could cut foam wedges with a hot wire that would sit on the
bench under the foam beds while bagging.

The final issue has to do with the spar system in the center panel. There is
no problem with the wing skins making the dihedral angle and no changes
would need to be made to the skin layup even if you have a stressed skin
wing. Any spar system used would, of course, no longer just be a straight
spar but would need to have the dihedral bend.

The tube spar system that I use would appear to be a problem. Perhaps not
though. Most theorists will tell you that the tube spar doesn't really
carry much bending load. If so, then I would (and perhaps soon will) try the
following; Build two separate foam cores, a left and a right, each piece has
a root rib on each end made of 3/16 ply. Each piece is about 30 span (the
semi-span of the center section)and has installed in it a 30 X 1/2 carbon
tube. Sand the required dihedral angle into each center rib with a bench top
10 or 12 disk sander. Join the left and right panel with epoxy and a 6
dihedral joiner. I would just use the aluminum tube joiners that I now use
for joining the tip panels to the center panels of my three piece wings. If
the theory is correct and the tube spar doesn't really carry much load then
the small, light joiner should be enough. Only testing will tell. If it
weren't strong enough then a stronger, heavier joiner would be required or a
small top skin doubler would have to be added.

If you are contemplating a real full depth spar system that carries almost
all bending loads then I don't have much to offer other than a link to Mark
Drela's Supra plan in the Allegro-Lite files section;
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Allegro-Lite/files/Supra/
The Supra has a center section with dihedral and a real spar. Detailed
plans of the entire model and spar system are included in the above link.

Phil


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[RCSE] Great deal for a Pike Superior

2004-11-20 Thread Mike Verzuh








I need to sell a Pike Superior, and I will make a great deal. 



I have two Pike Superior V-Tails for sale.



The first has a carbon D-tube F3J plan, with yellow tops, red bottoms,
JR 368s all around. The plane is in very good condition, no crashes. Comes with
a spare tail, custom nose skeg, just install your receiver and fly. Priced at
$1,350 or make me an offer. 



The second is a Pike Superior Super Light (69 oz flying weight) with
yellow tops, great looking purple and black tip flashing, black bottoms, JR
368s all around. The plane is in excellent condition, no crashes. Comes with a
custom nose skeg, just install your receiver and fly. Priced at $1,400 or make
me an offer.



Give me a call or email me for more details. 



Mike Verzuh 

(970) 532-0638 hm

(303) 939-7256 off.

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[RCSE] Hoopes Harnesses and Icons

2004-11-20 Thread Tom Hoopes


Hi All,
Over the last few months, including Visalia, I've had several people ask
me what I have changed on the Hoopes Wiring Harnesses and why they are
now failing on the Icon.
With the most recent post (below) I thought that I should clear up any
confusion regarding my involvement with the Icon harnesses.
When Don Peters was preparing to build the first molded Image 2meter
sailplanes, several years ago, he contacted me and asked me to develop
and supply him Hoopes Wiring Harnesses for the Image, which I did. A year
or two later, he informed me that he was working on a new open class
plane, the Icon, and also wanted me to create and supply a harness for
that as well.
I've supplied all of the harnesses to Don Peters up until a year ago.
Abruptly, Don indicated that he was raising the price of the Icon and
wanted to install a harness that made connection when the wing was
mounted. Although I offer such a harness for many of the molded
three-piece, saddle-mounted winged sailplanes that I support, he
apparently wanted to look elsewhere.
I assumed that Don was either assembling the harnesses himself or
enlisting a hobbyist to do so, as indicated by Simon's email
below.
Hoopes Harnesses continues to supply harnesses that are still built with
commercial/industrial grade components, using industrial practices
(preparation, documentation, soldering, pneumatic and automated crimping
equipment) and thoroughly tested for shorts and breaks with industrial,
computerized cable testing equipment. I have access to this equipment
through a wireless development company that I own.
Hoopes Designs has shipped more than 3,000 harnesses over the last
decade, supporting 65+ different planes and configurations. We have
supplied harnesses ranging from Open to ARF, handlaunch to cross country,
slope to record setting DS, gas to turbine, IMAC to pattern and bunches
of truly weird stuff (i.e. scale, flying wings, canard, Northrop Primary,
DARPA funded UAVs, etc.). Hoopes Wing Harnesses have found their way into
planes competing on a world class level all the way to a lowly sloper
flying in a rarely visited corner of the world.
Hoopes Harness prices have remained the same for more than four years.
Hoopes Designs is committed to building and supplying high quality,
commercial grade harnesses. Why else would we continue to support the
NATS, LSF, SWC, Visalia, Soar Utah, Davenport, etc.? We've not changed
anything, compromised anything, we're not leaving, we're here to stay.

 
I know that Don Peters' website
(http://www.mapleleafdesign.com/)
still states (as of today) that both the Image and the Icon sailplanes
are delivered with Hoopes Harnesses, but they are not. So if you've lost
an Icon or Image to apparent harness failure or are experiencing
electrical harness problems with the newer harness, please contact Don
Peters or Simon van Leeuwen directly as I have no involvement.
Of course, if you want the former harness or any of its components or the
auto-docking version that I offer for the Icon, or the Image harness,
they are always available.
BTW, this is not a stab at the Icon, I've got three of them and they're
not for sale ;-) I just want to make it clear that I have not
changed anything to compromise the quality of Hoopes Wiring Harnesses and
I am sorry for any confusion over my product and what MapleLeaf is
currently shipping. 


Sounded pretty cool until I saw
this:
 Hoopes wing connectors...

Seems there's a new Sheriff in town when it comes to wing
wiring:
 There is are significant differences between Tom Hoopes
sailplane
 systems and what I custom-build for large scale aerobatic
aircraft.
 
 The differences were significant enough that I am now the
exclusive
 supplier of true plug-and-play sailplane harnesses for
the Icon and
 Image produced by Don at Maple Leaf Design...
 Simon Van Leeuwen
 Radius Systems
 Cogito Ergo Zoom
I haven't seen these new harnesses, but if they are an improvement on
the
Hoopes harness (which I have been using very successfully for a long
time),
that would be
something.


Tom Hoopes - ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
 -- Hoopes
Designs -
Taking the hassle out of wing wiring harnesses

http://www.hoopesdesigns.com



[RCSE] Watch Out for Dreamcatcher

2004-11-20 Thread Marc Gellart
Just another warning about Dreamcatcher.  Had sent a money order to infamous
Roy Simpson for three Airtronics kits from his personal collection.  That
was the 12th of Nov. but as this AM today he had not gotten the envelope
with the MO.  He had already contacted me twice in the interim time acting
as if I had not sent the item and wondering what I was doing.  The one
mistake I made was to send to his PO Box instead of his house, well as of
today it was not there and I do not know why, but it was not.  I had gone to
a club HL contest this AM and when I got back had two messages, the first
informing me of the MO not arriving and telling to get it there in 5 days or
else and then the second told me that he had sold one of the kits out from
under me.  As much business as I have done with folks over the years via
personnal check, this could have been much easier but that was not allowed.
Well I told him to scrap the whole transaction and I will place a track on
the MO and take care of it.  Here is a guy who has five figures worth? of
model kit rights, and kits to sell and he is being the proverbial male organ
to the end.  It is not like this stuff is going anywhere and after some
research I could have resolved the issue, but that was not to be.

I would hope that folks do not support his effort to sell stuff, he has a
few great kits there and as much as I would have liked the kits I was trying
to get, it is no skin off my nose to stop the MO and go on my way.  For all
the stuff I had heard about Roy I had not had any face to face issues with
him, well, now I have some service stripes to show.  This is the first time
I have ever flamed a vendor or supplier here, but people need to know they
are working with a guy who is a pain in the arse!

Marc

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[RCSE] Torque of Mulitplex servos..

2004-11-20 Thread KEVIN KAVANEY
Does anyone know the approxmiate torque of 
Multiplex cockpit BB micro servos??
Multiplex  3BB micro servos..??
any info appreciated, no info in or on the box


KEVIN KAVANEY
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[RCSE] Aquila Grande on eBay,ends tomorrow

2004-11-20 Thread Stephen Hamm
It doesn't look like I'll ever get around to it,and it
seems a shame to let it be grounded in the attic
forever.  Search for user elmohut

No reserve.



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[RCSE] TSA locks and Sportubes

2004-11-20 Thread GordySoar



Its come to this, TSA has special locks which are made by various lock 
companies, virtually all the same lock with either a I've been opened indicator 
or not. About $10 give or take.
The problem is that they don't have a wide enough jaw to fit the sport 
tube. My fix has been to get a bolt long enough to have no threads far 
enough to fit thru the Sportube lock spine and a head large enough to not be 
pulled thru.

By heating the end where I cut the threaded part off, and flattening it 
some (not so much that IT won't pass thru the lock spine hole!) then drilling a 
hole thru the flat to accept the TSA lock.

A TSA lock has three or four combination rollers on its edge for you to 
use, and a universal key slot that all TSA inspection points have to get in and 
not cut the lock off.

If anyone knows of a TSA lock that will fit the Sportube, lets hear about 
it. :-)
Gordy


[RCSE] Kendall's Cumic plus..Lower Price

2004-11-20 Thread Brian Smith
Nice built Cumic Plus...Now $130 plus shipping..Great deal for
someone...Kendall is not online..Call him at 931 455 5779


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Re: [RCSE] TSA locks and Sportubes

2004-11-20 Thread Marc Gellart



Gordy, I just use a bolt and nut that can be opened and closed by TSA 
worked great on first trip and I have a bolt in the smaller tube so they do not 
close it past the no return spot.

Marc



  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2004 3:46 
  PM
  Subject: [RCSE] TSA locks and 
  Sportubes
  
  Its come to this, TSA has special locks which are made by various lock 
  companies, virtually all the same lock with either a I've been opened 
  indicator or not. About $10 give or take.
  The problem is that they don't have a wide enough jaw to fit the 
  sport tube. My fix has been to get a bolt long enough to have no threads 
  far enough to fit thru the Sportube lock spine and a head large enough to not 
  be pulled thru.
  
  By heating the end where I cut the threaded part off, and flattening it 
  some (not so much that IT won't pass thru the lock spine hole!) then drilling 
  a hole thru the flat to accept the TSA lock.
  
  A TSA lock has three or four combination rollers on its edge for you to 
  use, and a universal key slot that all TSA inspection points have to get in 
  and not cut the lock off.
  
  If anyone knows of a TSA lock that will fit the Sportube, lets hear about 
  it. :-)
  Gordy


Re: [RCSE] TSA locks and Sportubes

2004-11-20 Thread GordySoar




Gordy, I just use a bolt and nut that can be opened and closed by TSA 
worked great on first trip and I have a bolt in the smaller tube so they do not 
close it past the no return spot.


This 'used' to work, but now they are losing the bolt. I 
figure if I play their game, maybe I'll get my tube on the luggage pickup still 
closed.

Gordy


Re: [RCSE] Berg Antenna?

2004-11-20 Thread Tom Hoopes


At 11:55 PM 11/18/04 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Does anyone have experience with
RCDirect's Berg designed Peel and Stick 
antenna? Looks like an interesting approach for DLG and/or getting
the antenna 
away from the inside of carbon tail booms. Not quite sure why such
a very 
specific tag length (5) is emphasized but any comments and/or
field evaluation 
would be appreciated.
- Dave R
(http://www.ecsvr.com/RC-Direct/shopexd.asp?id=920)


Dave,
I've used this antenna on electrics, electric helicopters and DLGs with
good luck. Although I haven't run a test with the equipment that
I've used in the past for evaluating receiver performance, I think that
the results would be quite favorable.
Of course I would expect range to diminish somewhat, but the safe
overhead that exists with current radio gear should still give
acceptable performance. I've used the antenna with the Berg4, Berg5,
Berg6, Hitec Super Slim, Airtronics 92777 blue cube, and the
FMA M5 receivers.
The specified tag length is most likely called out to insure
optimum resonance with the loaded Berg Peel  Stick
antenna. 

Tom Hoopes - ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
 -- Hoopes
Designs -
Taking the hassle out of wing wiring harnesses

http://www.hoopesdesigns.com



Re: [RCSE] TSA locks and Sportubes

2004-11-20 Thread Marc Gellart



Excuse me, the bolt is only on the small tube, a pin and keeper are on the 
big one, both attached to the tube via tie down.

Marc

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
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  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2004 4:42 
  PM
  Subject: Re: [RCSE] TSA locks and 
  Sportubes
  
  
  Gordy, I just use a bolt and nut that can be opened and closed by TSA 
  worked great on first trip and I have a bolt in the smaller tube so they do 
  not close it past the no return spot.
  
  
  This 'used' to work, but now they are losing the bolt. I 
  figure if I play their game, maybe I'll get my tube on the luggage pickup 
  still closed.
  
  Gordy


Re: [RCSE] Watch Out for Dreamcatcher

2004-11-20 Thread WronRange
I'm not sure that I understand your complaint and venting of your frustrations against Roy Simpson. It appears that your MO got lost or such. That certainly is not his fault. I find your comments of him disgusting and uncalled for and can assure you that I would not want to have any dealings with you after this sort of display.

Ron



[RCSE] Vendors to watch!

2004-11-20 Thread James V. Bacus
John Diniz at Horizon Hobby.  Handles all my JR radio gear needs better 
than I would have ever expected.

Don Peters at MapleLeafDesign.  Builds the the best F3J, unlimited and 2m 
models for my needs.

Mark Miller at Isthmus Models.  Carries some very interesting models, and 
my new RES model the new Soprano.  I need to get pictures off it online, it 
is too kool.  (fellow Hobie Hawk buff too)

Johnny Berlin at R/C Hangar.  Carries all the electronic stuff and building 
supplies that I always seem to need.

If you deal with these guys you will never go wrong.
John, Don, Mark and Johnny, thank you from a satisfied customer.
Jim
Downers Grove, IL
Member of the Chicago SOAR club,  AMA 592537LSF 7560 Level IV
ICQ: 6997780   AIM: InventorJim   R/C Soaring blog at www.jimbacus.net
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[RCSE] Re DreamCatcher Hobbies

2004-11-20 Thread A.B. Lyles
I placed an order with DCHobby for two short kits.  I thought it would be 4 
or 5 weeks before I received them,but they showed up about 2 wks later. 
They were well packed and of excellent quality.  His service was 
excellent,no problems.  Not cheap,but you usually get what you pay for. 
Hard to judge a man,until you have walked in his shoes.

A.B. 

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Re: [RCSE] Vendors to watch!

2004-11-20 Thread James V. Bacus
Oh yeah, especially watch out for Sheldon at YNT uDesign
8-)
.
Jim
Downers Grove, IL
Member of the Chicago SOAR club,  AMA 592537LSF 7560 Level IV
ICQ: 6997780   AIM: InventorJim   R/C Soaring blog at www.jimbacus.net
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RE: [RCSE] Antenna Wire

2004-11-20 Thread Robert Samuels
I was told by Futaba service to use the finest (smallest diameter) wire 
possible.  For several years I have successfully substituted very fine music 
wire in antennas.   I purchased the wire in 36 in. lengths from my local 
hobby shop.  I used the finest wire that would not flop around when extended 
from the rear of the plane.

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[RCSE] Dreamcatcher

2004-11-20 Thread Jack Womack
I have to say that regardless of whether someone had
good service from any company at some time, it only
takes once to leave a bad taste in your mouth. I
ordered 2 booms and a short kit for a Grand Esprit,
and a few other things. Since I ordered, I see that
the short kit changed, and includes the boom at a
different price - and below that it says sorry, sold
out... I wonder if I'll get anything. My order was
correctly placed on November 2. It would seem prudent
to me that if one doesn't want to conduct business,
that one would close and have a fire sale on eBay or
something of that sort. I am not saying that Roy won't
deliver. I hope he does. I would think things are
pretty bad to get Marc Gellart hopin' mad. I haven't
seen him post too many negatives.

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Re: [RCSE] Antenna Wire

2004-11-20 Thread Simon Van Leeuwen
I think what the Futaba service rep meant was to utilize lead material 
that has the highest strand count you can find. This, in an effort to 
increase mechanical integrity. I don't think he meant to say use the 
finest single strand wire...

Robert Samuels wrote:
I was told by Futaba service to use the finest (smallest diameter) wire 
possible.  For several years I have successfully substituted very fine 
music wire in antennas.   I purchased the wire in 36 in. lengths from my 
local hobby shop.  I used the finest wire that would not flop around 
when extended from the rear of the plane.

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Re: [RCSE] Dreamcatcher - rant - press delete now to skip....

2004-11-20 Thread Jeff Gortatowsky
Umm... I don't think Mark is saying the USPS can't lose a money order. I
think what he is saying is that that so-and-so might actually have considered
that the USPS -CAN- lose one before condemning him as a slacker and a thief
and selling it out from under him. 

Man I hope all the rest of the vendors in soaring are not like this. Thinking
'they are always right' (even -if- they are!). You don't get to be a growing
business by suspecting your customers are out to screw you (even is a few
_are_). That's a cost of doing business. Swallowing your anger towards a
customer is a known hazard. If you don't know that, you are doomed. This guy
could have done a lot more business if he'd have just shut his mouth and hire
a person with a shread of tolerance to answer the phones and write emails.
I've had to listen in on support calls for my company. I KNOW from what I
speak when it comes to swallowing your pride.

Like said, I wish him Godspeed in whatever health problems he may have, but
it does not excuse his rude, intolerant, and insensitive behavior. Anyone out
there doing business that does not understand the customer -is- always
right EVEN IF THEY ARE WRONG, does not understand how to become a successful
business. You tongue lash the mirror, not the customer on phone. You always
fix the customer first. Everything else will work itself out. The guy that
owns that joint is a total business bozo. 

I do hope everyone gets the goodies they ordered. Especially the Grand
Espirts... man... is there no way of coming up with a G.E. like plane but
without stepping on Copyrights? It's such a sweet plane...


Best wishes to all and to all a good night..
Jeff


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[RCSE] dream catcher

2004-11-20 Thread KEVIN KAVANEY

For what it's worth, I recently corresponded with Roy Simpson about one of
his personal models,(Alcyone)  got a quick reply, I sent him the money
order, got another quick reply that he had recieved it and was given a
shipping date.

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Re: [RCSE] Antenna Wire

2004-11-20 Thread Charles Frey

I can understand one strand of flexible wire being a problem, but piano, I
don't agree with.  The only way you're going to break a peice of piano
wire is a sheering force that cuts right across the wire.  If you've just
broke your piano wire antenna, I'd bet that not your only problem.  :)

-Charles


On Sat, 20 Nov 2004, Simon Van Leeuwen wrote:

 I think what the Futaba service rep meant was to utilize lead material
 that has the highest strand count you can find. This, in an effort to
 increase mechanical integrity. I don't think he meant to say use the
 finest single strand wire...

 Robert Samuels wrote:

  I was told by Futaba service to use the finest (smallest diameter) wire
  possible.  For several years I have successfully substituted very fine
  music wire in antennas.   I purchased the wire in 36 in. lengths from my
  local hobby shop.  I used the finest wire that would not flop around
  when extended from the rear of the plane.
 
  Robert SamuelsSt. Louis
 
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[RCSE] SWC

2004-11-20 Thread Bill Malvey
So far it looks like entries for the SWC in Phoenix (well OK, western Globe)
are not all that robust yet. Which is good in my book. I want to thank all
of you. 

PLEASE, if you are thinking about coming, DON'T. As it stands right now, if
there are enough no-shows (say 18 to 25), I stand a pretty good chance of
getting a top 10 finish!!

Gas prices are pretty high, the weather in Phoenix can be touch and go in
February (will it be 72 or 74 today??), and really, it's just another silly
contest. I strongly urge ALL of you to stay home with your families. Enjoy
some quality time. Bond with the kids. Mow the lawn. For me, the less the
merrier to be sure!!

For you spiteful ba$tards out there who will surely want to deprive me of my
higher than deserved finish, you can go here to enter:

http://www.public.asu.edu/~vansanfo/casl/swc.html

Of course, I will place an old Irish curse upon you and your house for doing
so. And will certainly NOT share any of my beer with you. But at least you
cannot say I did not warn you!!!

I mean it's just another one of those boring, Launch, Fly, Land things. How
many of THOSE can you do before you fall into a coma??

Hoping not to see any of you soon.

~~~
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Re: [RCSE] Antenna Wire

2004-11-20 Thread Simon Van Leeuwen
I agree, but it would seem there might be a misunderstanding. If music 
wire were recommended that is one thing, even then not nessassarily the 
right ting the same reasons one should employ a stranded lead...single 
point failure.

The way the original message reads, it is suggested very fine (thin, 
skinny, very small gauge) single wire was suggested as appropriate. I 
think it is not the right thing to be using.

Tidbit:
strand: single electrical wire conductor of some gauge (awg)
lead: a bunch of electrical wire conductors bundled together to produce 
a conductor
cable: 2 or more leads bundled together


Charles Frey wrote:
I can understand one strand of flexible wire being a problem, but piano, I
don't agree with.  The only way you're going to break a peice of piano
wire is a sheering force that cuts right across the wire.  If you've just
broke your piano wire antenna, I'd bet that not your only problem.  :)
-Charles
On Sat, 20 Nov 2004, Simon Van Leeuwen wrote:

I think what the Futaba service rep meant was to utilize lead material
that has the highest strand count you can find. This, in an effort to
increase mechanical integrity. I don't think he meant to say use the
finest single strand wire...
Robert Samuels wrote:

I was told by Futaba service to use the finest (smallest diameter) wire
possible.  For several years I have successfully substituted very fine
music wire in antennas.   I purchased the wire in 36 in. lengths from my
local hobby shop.  I used the finest wire that would not flop around
when extended from the rear of the plane.
Robert SamuelsSt. Louis
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Re: [RCSE] SWC

2004-11-20 Thread Paul Emerson
It's not on the website yet, but there will also be HLG golf, HLG,
Slo-stick combat, and I think a night-time flying wing pylon race.
Good food and good people - better avoid the whole mess so Bill can
place  ;)

Paul
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On Sat, 20 Nov 2004 22:41:45 -0800, Bill Malvey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 So far it looks like entries for the SWC in Phoenix (well OK, western Globe)
 are not all that robust yet. Which is good in my book. I want to thank all
 of you.
 
 PLEASE, if you are thinking about coming, DON'T. As it stands right now, if
 there are enough no-shows (say 18 to 25), I stand a pretty good chance of
 getting a top 10 finish!!
 
 Gas prices are pretty high, the weather in Phoenix can be touch and go in
 February (will it be 72 or 74 today??), and really, it's just another silly
 contest. I strongly urge ALL of you to stay home with your families. Enjoy
 some quality time. Bond with the kids. Mow the lawn. For me, the less the
 merrier to be sure!!
 
 For you spiteful ba$tards out there who will surely want to deprive me of my
 higher than deserved finish, you can go here to enter:
 
 http://www.public.asu.edu/~vansanfo/casl/swc.html
 
 Of course, I will place an old Irish curse upon you and your house for doing
 so. And will certainly NOT share any of my beer with you. But at least you
 cannot say I did not warn you!!!
 
 I mean it's just another one of those boring, Launch, Fly, Land things. How
 many of THOSE can you do before you fall into a coma??
 
 Hoping not to see any of you soon.
 
 ~~~
 Bill Malvey
 
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