[RCSE] LSF Spirit...
To get some of you LSF IVs excited and into the spirit of an 8-hour slope flight, I just posted the pictures of our LSF V slope day at Parker Mountain, CA. See www.rcsoaring.com - Photo Gallery 2005 Enjoy, Joe RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Wetting Carbon Tow ....
At 06:51 AM 9/7/05, you wrote: Eddie, I asked Mike Lachowski how they were getting their molded models so light. He did a very in depth write up for me about how he is building them starting with the method of wetting out the tow. Please see below: D Thanks guys, It might be helpful to describe what I had intended to do to make the spars for the model. The wing is foam cored that has been routed out to insert the spar. The spar is going to be pre-made and then inserted into the slot in the core. The spar is tapered from 17mm wide at the root to 8mm at the tip. I am going to make spar caps in a jig that I've constructed and then assemble them with the joiner box and shear webbing in another jig. This will ensure that the depth of the spar is correct to fit the wing. I was intending to make the spar caps with various lengths of tow so that the cap thickness also tapers to the tip. To try to get the tows as straight as possible in the spar cap I intend to use a steel roller to roll the tows into the jig all in one direction after they are laid into the jig. I was intending to wet out the carbon tows with a roller system that will hopefully wet the carbon and leave the carbon both straight and with the correct amount of resin in it. When the cap is all laid up I was going to use peel ply and vacuum bag it in the jig to get any excess resin out of it. It is this roller system that I was trying to find on the net. This is for the Majali model that the Club group is constructing and because we have to make a total of 22 spars we need to have a system of building the spars that will ensure some consistency in size and strength. I would appreciate any comments on both the construction method proposed and any ideas of how to make a carbon tow wetting system. I still can't find the photo that I saw on the net. Eddie the Eagle in sunny South Australia RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Visalia??
Probably not before the middle or end of next week. That's when it's been available in the past. I did talk to Larry yesterday and he said there were around 260 contestants already. Maurice - Original Message - From: Lee Cox To: soaring mail page Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2005 10:45 PM Subject: [RCSE] Visalia?? Has anyone seen a pilot or frequency list for Visalia yet ? LeeCox-Nevada, U.S.A. [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] 30 lbs of Balsa
Recently someone online had advertised for sale 30 lbs of balsa. In PA I believe. I have lost the name. Anyone have name or has it been sold. Thanks for any info. Ron
Re: [RCSE] Wetting Carbon Tow ....
There may be a better way. I use precured carbon strips. Available from Avia Sport Composites. Their material is FAR superior to anything that you can make with tow, they are significantly stronger/stiffer/lighter for their relative size. I have several relevant articles on my club web site, under articles www.kcse.us Lee Estingoy Kansas Soaring and Electric Club - Original Message - From: Eddie Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: soaring@airage.com Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2005 4:14 AM Subject: Re: [RCSE] Wetting Carbon Tow At 06:51 AM 9/7/05, you wrote: Eddie, I asked Mike Lachowski how they were getting their molded models so light. He did a very in depth write up for me about how he is building them starting with the method of wetting out the tow. Please see below: D Thanks guys, It might be helpful to describe what I had intended to do to make the spars for the model. The wing is foam cored that has been routed out to insert the spar. The spar is going to be pre-made and then inserted into the slot in the core. The spar is tapered from 17mm wide at the root to 8mm at the tip. I am going to make spar caps in a jig that I've constructed and then assemble them with the joiner box and shear webbing in another jig. This will ensure that the depth of the spar is correct to fit the wing. I was intending to make the spar caps with various lengths of tow so that the cap thickness also tapers to the tip. To try to get the tows as straight as possible in the spar cap I intend to use a steel roller to roll the tows into the jig all in one direction after they are laid into the jig. I was intending to wet out the carbon tows with a roller system that will hopefully wet the carbon and leave the carbon both straight and with the correct amount of resin in it. When the cap is all laid up I was going to use peel ply and vacuum bag it in the jig to get any excess resin out of it. It is this roller system that I was trying to find on the net. This is for the Majali model that the Club group is constructing and because we have to make a total of 22 spars we need to have a system of building the spars that will ensure some consistency in size and strength. I would appreciate any comments on both the construction method proposed and any ideas of how to make a carbon tow wetting system. I still can't find the photo that I saw on the net. Eddie the Eagle in sunny South Australia RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] WTB: Stylus antenna
Hi, Any of you dealers out there have a new one i could purchase ? Thanks, Dave Hauch www.git-r-built.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] WTB: Stylus antenna
Try Johnny Berlin... fast turnaround good price. BTW order a couple ... right after I got a new one my son bent it pressing down on the top. Then another pilot backed up into it...another time... Cheap insurance. D Hauch wrote: Hi, Any of you dealers out there have a new one i could purchase ? Thanks, Dave Hauch www.git-r-built.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format -- Jeff Steifel RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] EPP sources?
Where can I order a small quantity of EPP 1.3 and 1.9 lb stock for a my first hot wire slope plane project? Frank Jarratt RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] SVSS newsletter
The September 2005 issue of the Eagle's Nest, the newsletter of the Sacramento Valley Soaring Society has been posted on the club website svss.org. Members will receive their hard copy shortly. Also, please note, there is a club contest this coming Saturday. Usual time and place. Mike Clancy, Editor
Re: [RCSE] WTB: Stylus antenna (got one)
I have one coming, thank you guys! Dave Hauch www.git-r-built.com - Original Message - From: D Hauch [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: soaring@airage.com Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2005 2:19 PM Subject: [RCSE] WTB: Stylus antenna Hi, Any of you dealers out there have a new one i could purchase ? Thanks, Dave Hauch www.git-r-built.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Model finish
Tried, toothpaste, thought you guys were pulling my leg but a few suggested it...it didn't work, niether did clorox cleanup, 409, goo gone and others. I'll go with the rubbing compound. Plan B will be a flying buddy with a serious paint booth, maybe we'll get creative :) On 9/7/05, David Portwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Try tooth paste David -Original Message- From: Dan Ahearn [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2005 7:58 PM To: soaring@airage.com Subject: [RCSE] Model finish I guess it's like a new car before you get that first door ding... Before assembly, I had my new Ava safely in it's bag. The fuse and tailboom were in the side pocket. The result is some of the carbon powder from the inside of the tailboom found its way onto the nosecone leaving some dark streaks on the white finish. The finish doesn't seem to be marred, I just can't seem to get the marks out. It's not the end of the world but it is so daggone good looking! Any suggestions? RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Model finish
Tried, toothpaste, thought you guys were pulling my leg but a few suggested it...it didn't work, niether did clorox cleanup, 409, goo gone and others. I'll go with the rubbing compound. Plan B will be a flying buddy with a serious paint booth, maybe we'll get creative :) On 9/7/05, David Portwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Try tooth paste David -Original Message- From: Dan Ahearn [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2005 7:58 PM To: soaring@airage.com Subject: [RCSE] Model finish I guess it's like a new car before you get that first door ding... Before assembly, I had my new Ava safely in it's bag. The fuse and tailboom were in the side pocket. The result is some of the carbon powder from the inside of the tailboom found its way onto the nosecone leaving some dark streaks on the white finish. The finish doesn't seem to be marred, I just can't seem to get the marks out. It's not the end of the world but it is so daggone good looking! Any suggestions? RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Model finish
Hi Dan The gel coat on the Ava fuse will stand up to Acetone with no problem. So that's the first thing to try. Second is some 2000 wet and dry paper. Be careful the gel coat isn't that thick. Then finish polish it with Wrights Silver Cream. This also works very well on scratches and other mistakes on Moldies. Maurice - Original Message - From: Dan Ahearn [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: soaring@airage.com Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2005 4:53 PM Subject: Re: [RCSE] Model finish Tried, toothpaste, thought you guys were pulling my leg but a few suggested it...it didn't work, niether did clorox cleanup, 409, goo gone and others. I'll go with the rubbing compound. Plan B will be a flying buddy with a serious paint booth, maybe we'll get creative :) On 9/7/05, David Portwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Try tooth paste David -Original Message- From: Dan Ahearn [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2005 7:58 PM To: soaring@airage.com Subject: [RCSE] Model finish I guess it's like a new car before you get that first door ding... Before assembly, I had my new Ava safely in it's bag. The fuse and tailboom were in the side pocket. The result is some of the carbon powder from the inside of the tailboom found its way onto the nosecone leaving some dark streaks on the white finish. The finish doesn't seem to be marred, I just can't seem to get the marks out. It's not the end of the world but it is so daggone good looking! Any suggestions? RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Thermal duration V or + tail
I've noticed that the Europeans seem to prefer the V tails but the Americans seem to prefer the plus tails for thermal duration. Why the difference? RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Wanted - like new Artemis
Anybody have a new, or like new, Artemis that is gathering dust for sale? Steve Gibson Houston, TX RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Thermal duration V or + tail
Ok, so I am already suited up in the asbestos undies and Kevlar vest, so take your best shot!!! I Personally hate the way a v-tail launches...er...I really should say the way they recover from a poor early launch. What I am really trying to say is if you get stuck in the positio..Oh hell, anyone seen my V-Tail Image anywhere Jim B.? Anyone???... ...Some help here please Justin - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: rc Soaring Exchange Soaring@airage.com Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2005 5:41 PM Subject: [RCSE] Thermal duration V or + tail I've noticed that the Europeans seem to prefer the V tails but the Americans seem to prefer the plus tails for thermal duration. Why the difference? RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] RE: Airtronics new digital wing servo
John You know it is funny, but the Airtronics guy's say that they wished I flew JR...Go figguer ??? Your numbers do not match up with what I was told... But the 368 has been a great servo for me and I have 368's with over 500 hours of flight time on them with in my Icon armada. I have had only had five failures sense the 368 hit the shelf's. Which is pretty darn good one broken gear and the others just quit moving from old age and abuse so I could not complain at all...not that you would listen to me anyway. Also some of these were the first 368's to hit the general market so there are always fuzzy stuff in the first fewlol The only servo that has done me as good are those darned blue thang's and the 141's... I did a weight lift test and the Airtronics could lift more than the 368 could so I just assumed that the Airtronics was stronger...MY BAD... Dr. Danny Williams Colorado Springs, CO Bad Roads bring good people, and good roads bring bad people. Dr Dan, You know I love you man, and I really am glad you fly Airtronics. 8^) You know that I'll even support other branded flyers that use JR servos, including you. I'm also glad that Airtronics has stepped up in the servo department. Not sure which Brand X servo DP's post was refering to, but here are the facts regarding the new Airtronics servo vs the JR DS368, comparing new servo to new servo. Torque: with 4-cell pack Air=3D37.1 oz/in, JR=3D53 oz/in Speed: with 4-cell pack Air=3D.18sec/60 degrees, JR=3D.21sec/60 degrees Size: Air=3D.48 x 1.07 x 1.11, JR=3D.50 x 1.12 x 1.17 Weight: Air=3D.78oz, JR=3D.75oz Warranty: Air=3D?, JR 3 years It is slightly faster and slightly smaller. Regards, John RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Thermal duration V or + tail
http://www.jimbacus.net/soaring/nats2005/vtail_vs_xtail.jpg 8-)) At 07:51 PM 9/7/2005, Justin Ammon wrote: Ok, so I am already suited up in the asbestos undies and Kevlar vest, so take your best shot!!! I Personally hate the way a v-tail launches...er...I really should say the way they recover from a poor early launch. What I am really trying to say is if you get stuck in the positio..Oh hell, anyone seen my V-Tail Image anywhere Jim B.? Anyone???... ...Some help here please Jim Downers Grove, IL Member of the Chicago SOAR club, and Team JR AMA 592537LSF 7560 Level IV R/C Soaring blog at www.jimbacus.net RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Thermal duration V or + tail
Ahh, that's where it went...At least it's in a better place... Justin (quietly mumbles something about: Stupid V-Tails.) - Original Message - From: James V. Bacus [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: soaring@airage.com Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2005 6:24 PM Subject: Re: [RCSE] Thermal duration V or + tail http://www.jimbacus.net/soaring/nats2005/vtail_vs_xtail.jpg 8-)) At 07:51 PM 9/7/2005, Justin Ammon wrote: Ok, so I am already suited up in the asbestos undies and Kevlar vest, so take your best shot!!! I Personally hate the way a v-tail launches...er...I really should say the way they recover from a poor early launch. What I am really trying to say is if you get stuck in the positio..Oh hell, anyone seen my V-Tail Image anywhere Jim B.? Anyone???... ...Some help here please Jim Downers Grove, IL Member of the Chicago SOAR club, and Team JR AMA 592537LSF 7560 Level IV R/C Soaring blog at www.jimbacus.net RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] Thermal duration V or + tail
Hello, In my experience both types work equally well. Theoretically a V-tail is more efficient than a cross tail, but less efficient than a T-tail. In practice I can't pick the difference. A V-tail can be lighter than a cross tail, and much lighter than a T-tail. Even this does not matter much. The best handling model I have ever had has a V-tail, but I doubt if it would be better or worse with a well designed cross tail. The only handling problem I have ever had with a V-tail model was caused because I did not set it up correctly. I set this model up with insufficient rudder deflection, and did not have enough rudder authority to recover from a dangerous situation. After some repairs, and with the set up done properly, it performed beautifully, and still does some years later. When acting as elevators the ruddervators need very little movement but, when acting as rudders they need as much as you can get. My problem could just as easily have happened with a cross tail model. I am quite happy with either tail type, though I rather like the look of a V-tail. Many European moulded models are available with either style of tail. When next I buy one my choice of tail type will most likely depend on what the importer has in stock. * Ian RoachKiama, NSW Australia [EMAIL PROTECTED] Phone: 61 2 4232 1775 * -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, 8 September 2005 10:42 AM To: rc Soaring Exchange Subject: [RCSE] Thermal duration V or + tail I've noticed that the Europeans seem to prefer the V tails but the Americans seem to prefer the plus tails for thermal duration. Why the difference? RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] Thermal duration V or + tail
Jim, You're evil ;) http://www.jimbacus.net/soaring/nats2005/vtail_vs_xtail.jpg 8-)) RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
