Re: [RCSE] Hi Tech 5125MG Digital Wing Servo
I bought 8 several years ago for two planes. Ended up with one plane after refitting all 4 in the wing. Almost burned w hole in the wing http://www.jojoen.no/hitec5125.jpg Probably just fine for TD normal launching when you dont want to break that braided line. But for any hard launch or hard landings they are not up to it on a 3+meter model. If they were to change those gears to some machined ones I would buy the servo again. Hilsen (Regards) Jojo NEW: www.jojoen.no -- Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 19:03:52 -0500 From: Phil Barnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: RCSE posting soaring@airage.com Subject: Re: [RCSE] Hi Tech 5125MG Digital Wing Servo Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Tom Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [RCSE] Hi Tech 5125MG Digital Wing Servo I ran them on ailerons in a Pike Superior for 2 years without any problems. Tom Dan Ahearn wrote: Anyone have any experience with the Hi Tech 5125MG Digital Wing Servo? I bought a Pike from Tom Watson (maybe the one he refers to). To make a long story short; I stripped both HS 5125MG aileron servos on the first hard launch. It wasn't really the servos fault, aileron flutter was the real problem. I switched out those servos and put in a couple JR DS368 servos. The ailerons still fluttered. The DS368s were not harmed but rather were ripped loose from their mounts as the wing tips were ravaged by severe flutter. That is a very short version of a long story that in the end taught me two very valuable lessons: 1) JR DS368 servos are very much more robust than HS5125 servos. The 5125s may be OK for ordinary use but if you want servos that will survive a lot of abuse then the DS368s are better. 2) The Pike Superior in the SL (super light) version was not intended for hard launches with extremely fast zooms. It was made for early morning/late evening flights in low wind/light lift conditions where light weight is very important. It was anticipated by the designers that in low wind with hand towing you would not be able to do really hard launches with extremely fast zooms. I don't own a Pike anymore. I use all DS368s on my Supras since I tend to be an abusive sort of guy. Phil -- RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Hi Tech 5125MG Digital Wing Servo
I have been using the JR wing servo, DS168, on all four surfaces of my Erasure Xtreme with positive results. http://www.jrradios.com/Products/Default.aspx?ProdID=JRPS168 Steve Meyer SOAR, LSF IV RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Hi Tech 5125MG Digital Wing Servo
Crap! - Original Message - From: Dan Ahearn To: rcse Sent: Monday, December 26, 2005 3:26 PM Subject: [RCSE] Hi Tech 5125MG Digital Wing Servo Anyone have any experience with the Hi Tech 5125MG Digital Wing Servo? DJA
RE: [RCSE] Hi Tech 5125MG Digital Wing Servo
I'm curious as to the pedigree of the DS 168. It looks an awful lot like the HS5125. Originally I was using DS5125's and had so many problems, they reside in the misc only for planes you don't care about drawer. I'm afraid to use them. I've been using DS368's for ailerons and HS5245's for flaps, rudder and elevator. -Original Message- From: S Meyer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 5:37 AM To: Soaring@airage.com Subject: Re: [RCSE] Hi Tech 5125MG Digital Wing Servo I have been using the JR wing servo, DS168, on all four surfaces of my Erasure Xtreme with positive results. http://www.jrradios.com/Products/Default.aspx?ProdID=JRPS168 Steve Meyer SOAR, LSF IV RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] 75 degrees today
One day out of 365 is not bad AB, I lived in the garden spot of Amarillo for a couple years in another life, it toughend you up in the soaring business. Went from flying Oly II's to Multiplex ships in about 2 months out there out of just trying to survive. Marc RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] 75 degrees today
not even going to reach 75 degrees in my house ! Dave Hauch www.git-r-built.com Subject: Re: [RCSE] 75 degrees today One day out of 365 is not bad AB, I lived in the garden spot of Amarillo for a couple years in another life, it toughend you up in the soaring business. Went from flying Oly II's to Multiplex ships in about 2 months out there out of just trying to survive. Marc RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] 75 degrees today
We're having a heat wave too. Our temps were up to 34 degrees and the wind about 10 mph in Grand Rapids, MI. ;-) I did get my HLG out to a local school and pitched it around some. The snow was very light and melted as soon as it hit the transmitter. I actually caught some decent wave lift and had one good flight. Dennis Hoyle - Original Message - From: A. B. Lyles To: Soaring@airage.com Sent: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 22:41:28 -0600 Subject: [RCSE] 75 degrees today Well the temp was 75-76 degrees F today in the Texas Panhandle , not that much wind. Beautiful Day. A.B.
Re: [RCSE] Hi Tech 5125MG Digital Wing Servo (DS168s)
I would also like to know if the DS168 is a better choice than the 5125. I was thinking of using them in the new Supra for ailerons. Maurice - Original Message - From: Hank Schorz [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: S Meyer [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Soaring@airage.com Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 8:49 AM Subject: RE: [RCSE] Hi Tech 5125MG Digital Wing Servo I'm curious as to the pedigree of the DS 168. It looks an awful lot like the HS5125. Originally I was using DS5125's and had so many problems, they reside in the misc only for planes you don't care about drawer. I'm afraid to use them. I've been using DS368's for ailerons and HS5245's for flaps, rudder and elevator. -Original Message- From: S Meyer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 5:37 AM To: Soaring@airage.com Subject: Re: [RCSE] Hi Tech 5125MG Digital Wing Servo I have been using the JR wing servo, DS168, on all four surfaces of my Erasure Xtreme with positive results. http://www.jrradios.com/Products/Default.aspx?ProdID=JRPS168 Steve Meyer SOAR, LSF IV RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] 1/3 ASW-20 by Dream Catcher/Mark Smith Info Needed
Frank, Im not familiar with this particular plane but Id agree with you. The obechi we get here in the US is going to be pretty thin on a 5M wing unless you have a substantial spar system. Have you thought of using 2 layers of the thin obechi? George From: Frank Deichsel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 26, 2005 9:15 PM To: RCSE posting Subject: [RCSE] 1/3 ASW-20 by Dream Catcher/Mark Smith Info Needed Hi, I got a good deal ona 1/3 scale ASW-20 kit made by Mark Smith/Dream Catcher Hobby. Unfortunately there are no plans included and I need to know what thickness obechi the wing cores are cut for. I did some research but no success. The common thickness for sheeting seems to be 1/42 here, but from what I found that seems to be too thin for a 5 meter wing. There is a wing made by Mueller in Germany in the same size which is sheeted with 1.2 mm which is roughly twice as thick. Any info would be appreciated! Frank
Re: [RCSE] Hi Tech 5125MG Digital Wing Servo (DS168s)
Same case and sadly same gears. New electronics though. Hilsen (Regards) Jojo NEW: www.jojoen.no -- Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 09:42:01 -0800 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Soaring@airage.com Subject: Re: [RCSE] Hi Tech 5125MG Digital Wing Servo (DS168s) Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I would also like to know if the DS168 is a better choice than the 5125. I was thinking of using them in the new Supra for ailerons. Maurice RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] 1/3 ASW-20 by Dream Catcher/Mark Smith Info Needed
Frank, Sounds like you are taking on a project that may be a bit beyond your experience. No problem, just make sure you are getting good advice -- make sure that person has been there and done that. When you move from the usual stuff, like TD or smaller sailplanes to larger scale ships, especially 1/3 scale, the forces involved and therefore thebuilding techniques are different. I have built several larger scale ships. I've made a lot of mistakes for you. I have articles here. www.kcse.us, look under articles section To answer your question, no, regular US Obechi is not sufficient BY ITSELF as a skin for 1/3 wings IF the skin is your sole support for the wing. If you build a foam core wing with a spar system, then YES, US thickness obechi will work IF you also use some glass or carbon fiber beneath it as part of your composite construction. I have used, and recommend Avia sport pultruded carbon strips for the spar. It is part of a box spar that has been discussed and detailed by Dr. Drela. You can scale it up easily to your model's size using the Excel spreadsheet also availble at the site above. Good luck, any more questions, do not hesitate to contact me. Lee - Original Message - From: George Voss To: 'Frank Deichsel' ; 'RCSE posting' Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 12:10 PM Subject: RE: [RCSE] 1/3 ASW-20 by Dream Catcher/Mark Smith Info Needed Frank, Im not familiar with this particular plane but Id agree with you. The obechi we get here in the US is going to be pretty thin on a 5M wing unless you have a substantial spar system. Have you thought of using 2 layers of the thin obechi? George From: Frank Deichsel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 26, 2005 9:15 PMTo: RCSE postingSubject: [RCSE] 1/3 ASW-20 by Dream Catcher/Mark Smith Info Needed Hi, I got a good deal ona 1/3 scale ASW-20 kit made by Mark Smith/Dream Catcher Hobby. Unfortunately there are no plans included and I need to know what thickness obechi the wing cores are cut for. I did some research but no success. The common thickness for sheeting seems to be 1/42 here, but from what I found that seems to be too thin for a 5 meter wing. There is a wing made by Mueller in Germany in the same size which is sheeted with 1.2 mm which is roughly twice as thick. Any info would be appreciated! Frank
Re: [RCSE] Hi Tech 5125MG Digital Wing Servo (DS168s)
Just quit landing in those snow drifts. :-) At 12:47 PM 12/27/2005, Jo Grini wrote: Same case and sadly same gears. New electronics though. Hilsen (Regards) Jojo NEW: www.jojoen.no -- Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 09:42:01 -0800 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Soaring@airage.com Subject: Re: [RCSE] Hi Tech 5125MG Digital Wing Servo (DS168s) Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I would also like to know if the DS168 is a better choice than the 5125. I was thinking of using them in the new Supra for ailerons. Maurice RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Cabosil question
Here's a link http://www.uscomposites.com/fillers.html Good info on fillers. Cheers Al - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: rc Soaring Exchange Soaring@airage.com Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 6:47 PM Subject: [RCSE] Cabosil question I need to buy some cabosil but don't know where to purchase it. Is the West System, #406 colloidal silica adhesive filler the same stuff as cabosil? Thanks, S Gibson RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] FS: NIB Berg 5 DSPII RX
NIB Berg 5*DSPII PPM receiver. Auto-shift select, programmable 5th channel (for those radios that require Channel 6 for flaperons). End-plug case. Includes new CH50 crystal. $50 shipped to ConUS. Tom RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Supra
Right after I started this thread Barry Kennedy of http://www.kennedycomposites.com/ gave me a call and we chatted about the Supra for about an hour. Impressive background on the model. How's that for customer service, I ask a question on RCSE and get a call directly from the owner. Top notch. Jim Downers Grove, IL Member of the Chicago SOAR club, and Team JR AMA 592537LSF 7560 Level IV R/C Soaring blog at www.jimbacus.net RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Supra Question??
Im putting together a bagged Supra ala Mike L. fuse/Phil Barnes wings/tail surfaces. It will be a while as there is a wait on the wings, but that is fine as Im in no hurry. My question is how do you guys in the know think the bagged supra Im putting together will stack up against the molded one now available? I know the bagged one will be lighter but other than that not sure about anything else. Thanks, Walter - Original Message - From: James V. Bacus [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: soaring@airage.com Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 1:46 PM Subject: Re: [RCSE] Supra That's the kind of information I was looking for, thanks. I have seen some of those links before but not all. And I guess it answers my question, there are countless variations of the Supra. I'll be getting a molded one but it seems to be in the spirit of things I should modify it in some way too. ;-) At 03:35 PM 12/27/2005, Ben Wilson wrote: There is one and only one official Supra plan, and those plans and info can be found here: http://charlesriverrc.org/articles/supra/supra.htm And you can get even more info here: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Allegro-Lite/ - the messageboard http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Allegro-Lite/files/Supra/ -the files section And there are a number of Supra RCGroups threads: CNC Supra Build http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=364296highlight=supra another supra build - the slow way http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=437733 Drela Supra http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=320761highlight=supra Here is my unofficial take on what is a Supra, gleaned from my hours of research: There were a handful of people building there own Supra before Kennedy got his into production, and there are many ways to skin a Drela sailplane to mix metaphors... The Supras that were at the NATS this year (Kiesling, Lachowski and Barnes) were most-likely modified slightly from the Drela design for any number of reasons. Mark likes tiny fuselages and some of his construction techniques are a bit too time consuming for mere mortals. The basic parameters of the plane stay the same, the construction techniques often differ due to time/material/builder peculariaties. AFAIK, the wing airfoils stay the same - AG40-AG41-AG42, and most of the Supras out there are bagged wings. Mark's original Supra was 48oz and Kiesling said he has three: two 58oz models and one 64oz model, all of them bagged wings. As far as wingspans and such go, there might be some confusing the Aegea 130 wing with the Supra wing. The Supra wing is the evolution of the Aegea 130 wing (which Phil makes for the Mantis). Mark explains the differences between those two wings on this page: http://charlesriverrc.org/articles/supra/supra.htm I've never heard any discussion on changing length of the tailboom, but the fuselages are often resized as Mark's fuses are tidy affairs with little wiggle room. Also, I don't think I've ever seen or heard of a Supra that doesn't use that sweet little V-mount horizontal stab. I have read quite a bit about spar and wing construction alternatives, though that could easily take days to sift through. And finally... There are a few folks producing individual pieces and parts for the Supra... Les Horvath of CompuFoamCore.com had a fuse/wing/tail core set for sale and Bud Elder makes those v-mounts (in varying sizes!). From time to time you'll see folks offering up Supra fuselages, but they come and go. The bottom line is that if you really want to *know* about the Supra, go and read through the links I've posted, specifically the Yahoo group. End of last fall, I put together an Aegea Mantis w/ a Luckenbach fuselage and Phil's Aegea 130 wing. It's like a poor-boy Supra. A lot of the same ideas, but different, and cheaper (and heavier). One day I might get my homebrew Supra together. James V. Bacus wrote: I have read about the Kennedy molded Supra on the web page, but isn't that a Drela Design as well? It seems when people talk about a Supra (glider) it could mean a lot of different things. Different fuses and lengths, different airfoils, different wingspans, different wing construction (bagged or molded), etc... -- Ben Wilson Web Developer/Consultant [EMAIL PROTECTED] cell: 502.836.8551 home: 502.290.0624 Jim Downers Grove, IL Member of the Chicago SOAR club, and Team JR AMA 592537LSF 7560 Level IV R/C Soaring blog at www.jimbacus.net RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages
[RCSE] AstroFlight 109
Anyone have a 109 they are no longer employing and would like to help out a newbie? -- Simon Van Leeuwen RADIUS SYSTEMS PnP SYSTEMS - The E-Harness of Choice Cogito Ergo Zooom RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] What are you doing to kill 5125/168 servos?
Damn...what are you guys doing to kill the flat wing servos? I used the Hitec 5125s on the ailerons of my first Pike Superior (mainly because I was lazy and the JR 168 leads were too short) and never had a problem for two years. They get killed the first time out with the plane's new owner. Other flyers gripe about constant gear stripping. I have the JR 168s on all four wing surfaces of my current Superior and it has had no problems, even flying at near full ballast in some pretty stiff winds (pulling hard enough to bust new braided line and some less than perfect landings thrown in). Granted, not F3J tows, but still... The JR 168s are on the ailerons of my current F3B ships and so far, so good. The 168s even survived the...um...demise of my first Furio (may it RIP) and that was a pretty violent pile-in. Enough to break the wing joiner in two and split both wings apart - tore an aileron loose and ripped one of the servos out of the wing. Both 168 servos were completely unscathed. Does not compute. Over. Tom RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Supra tow hook location
Just got my new Supra from Kennedy Composites today and its beautiful. Does anyone know the tow hook location in inches or mm. from the nose cone line or the boom line on the pod? Maurice RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Supra
How many different variations of the Supra are there? Jim Downers Grove, IL Member of the Chicago SOAR club, and Team JR AMA 592537LSF 7560 Level IV R/C Soaring blog at www.jimbacus.net RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] 1/3 ASW-20 by Dream Catcher/Mark Smith Info Needed
Thanks George, yes I have thought about that. I am pondering though what thickness the cores are designed for. I have never cut cores but I know that the thickness of the intended sheeting is considered (deducted) so that after sheeting the desired airfoil shape is achieved. Or does a millimeter more or less not matter that much? It's an older airfoil anyway, FX60-126 if I remember correctly. Thanks, Frank - Original Message - From: George Voss To: 'Frank Deichsel' ; 'RCSE posting' Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 10:10 AM Subject: RE: [RCSE] 1/3 ASW-20 by Dream Catcher/Mark Smith Info Needed Frank, Im not familiar with this particular plane but Id agree with you. The obechi we get here in the US is going to be pretty thin on a 5M wing unless you have a substantial spar system. Have you thought of using 2 layers of the thin obechi? George From: Frank Deichsel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 26, 2005 9:15 PMTo: RCSE postingSubject: [RCSE] 1/3 ASW-20 by Dream Catcher/Mark Smith Info Needed Hi, I got a good deal ona 1/3 scale ASW-20 kit made by Mark Smith/Dream Catcher Hobby. Unfortunately there are no plans included and I need to know what thickness obechi the wing cores are cut for. I did some research but no success. The common thickness for sheeting seems to be 1/42 here, but from what I found that seems to be too thin for a 5 meter wing. There is a wing made by Mueller in Germany in the same size which is sheeted with 1.2 mm which is roughly twice as thick. Any info would be appreciated! Frank
Re: [RCSE] Supra
The Drela Supra or the Kennedy Supra? ...or the Toyota? :) James V. Bacus wrote: How many different variations of the Supra are there? -- Ben Wilson Web Developer/Consultant [EMAIL PROTECTED] cell: 502.836.8551 home: 502.290.0624 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Supra
You can barbecue it, boil it, broil it, bake it, sautee it. There's, um, shrimp kebabs, shrimp creole, shrimp gumbo, pan fried, deep fried, stir fried. There's pineapple shrimp and lemon shrimp, coconut shrimp, pepper shrimp, shrimp soup, shrimp stew, shrimp salad, shrimp and potatoes, shrimp burger, shrimp sandwich... Oops, made me think of Forest Gump and Bubba Gump shrimp. http://www.bubbagump.com/ Happy Holidays to all, even the Bubbas out there. :-) Steve Meyer SOAR, LSF IV At 12:58 PM 12/27/2005, James V. Bacus wrote: How many different variations of the Supra are there? Jim Downers Grove, IL Member of the Chicago SOAR club, and Team JR AMA 592537LSF 7560 Level IV R/C Soaring blog at www.jimbacus.net RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Hi Tech 5125MG Digital Wing Servo (DS168s)
Ok ok ;-) Hilsen (Regards) Jojo NEW: www.jojoen.no - Original Message - From: S Meyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Jo Grini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Soaring@airage.com Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 7:50 PM Subject: Re: [RCSE] Hi Tech 5125MG Digital Wing Servo (DS168s) Just quit landing in those snow drifts. :-) RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Supra
I think you have the munchies...;-) At 01:28 PM 12/27/2005, S Meyer wrote: You can barbecue it, boil it, broil it, bake it, sautee it. There's, um, shrimp kebabs, shrimp creole, shrimp gumbo, pan fried, deep fried, stir fried. There's pineapple shrimp and lemon shrimp, coconut shrimp, pepper shrimp, shrimp soup, shrimp stew, shrimp salad, shrimp and potatoes, shrimp burger, shrimp sandwich... Jim Downers Grove, IL Member of the Chicago SOAR club, and Team JR AMA 592537LSF 7560 Level IV R/C Soaring blog at www.jimbacus.net RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Supra
At 01:23 PM 12/27/2005, Ben Wilson wrote: The Drela Supra or the Kennedy Supra? ...or the Toyota? :) I wasn't going to go with the Toyota thing there as much as you guys know I enjoy sports cars. 8-) I have read about the Kennedy molded Supra on the web page, but isn't that a Drela Design as well? It seems when people talk about a Supra (glider) it could mean a lot of different things. Different fuses and lengths, different airfoils, different wingspans, different wing construction (bagged or molded), etc... Jim Downers Grove, IL Member of the Chicago SOAR club, and Team JR AMA 592537LSF 7560 Level IV R/C Soaring blog at www.jimbacus.net RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] Supra
It sounds like there are several variants... Drela Supra Phil Barnes is doing 130 Supra wings / tail feathers that mate with an M Lachowski's fuse Kennedy Composites Molded Supra Kinda Supra - Polecat Aero's Thermal Dancer a 122 variant based upon Thermal Dancer w/ 2 piece wings Rob -Original Message- From: James V. Bacus [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 12:59 PM To: soaring@airage.com Subject: [RCSE] Supra How many different variations of the Supra are there? Jim Downers Grove, IL Member of the Chicago SOAR club, and Team JR AMA 592537LSF 7560 Level IV R/C Soaring blog at www.jimbacus.net RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] 1/3 ASW-20 by Dream Catcher/Mark Smith Info Needed
Frank:
I still have the fuse from many years ago and I have set up a standard stick
wing. Hope to fly it at WC '06 or '07. I found a good set of info on the ASW
20CLX - extended wing with winglets. I am using Dr Drela's BD wing platform
for the wings, 3/16,5/32, and 1/8 hard balsa ribs (Lofted with Compufoil)
with 3/16 ply ribs at selected locations, full spar width vertical webbing, and
layered carbon spars. Cap rib side of LE with carbon and bottom of the TE.
Aileron sub spars generously capped with carbon. Carbon wing rod and tubes. By
the time you have the correct sized obechii, a proper spar built, and proper
vacuum bagging set up, etc, the ribs can be cut and the wing laid up RTC. IMHO
Happy building
Jim
PS:laying up and vacuum bagging those long wings could be a nightmare!
On Tue, 27 Dec 2005 11:01:31 +, Frank Deichsel wrote:
Thanks George, yes I have thought about that.
I am pondering though what thickness the cores are designed for. I have never
cut cores but I know that the thickness of the intended sheeting is considered
(deducted) so that after sheeting the desired airfoil shape is achieved. Or
does a millimeter more or less not matter that much? It's an older airfoil
anyway, FX60-126 if I remember correctly.
Thanks,
Frank
- Original Message -
From: George Voss
To: 'Frank Deichsel' ; 'RCSE posting'
Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 10:10 AM
Subject: RE: [RCSE] 1/3 ASW-20 by Dream Catcher/Mark Smith Info Needed
Frank, I'm not familiar with this particular plane but I'd agree with you.
The obechi we get here in the US is going to be pretty thin on a 5M wing unless
you have a substantial spar system. Have you thought of using 2 layers of the
thin obechi?
George
--
From: Frank Deichsel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, December 26, 2005 9:15 PM
To: RCSE posting
Subject: [RCSE] 1/3 ASW-20 by Dream Catcher/Mark Smith Info Needed
Hi,
I got a good deal on a 1/3 scale ASW-20 kit made by Mark Smith/Dream Catcher
Hobby. Unfortunately there are no plans included and I need to know what
thickness obechi the wing cores are cut for. I did some research but no
success. The common thickness for sheeting seems to be 1/42 here, but from what
I found that seems to be too thin for a 5 meter wing. There is a wing made by
Mueller in Germany in the same size which is sheeted with 1.2 mm which is
roughly twice as thick.
Any info would be appreciated!
Frank
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Thanks George, yes I have thought about
that.
I am pondering though what thickness the cores are
designed for. I have never cut cores but I know that the thickness of the
intended sheeting is considered (deducted) so that after sheeting the desired
airfoil shape is achieved. Or does a millimeter more or less not matter that
much? It's an older airfoil anyway, FX60-126 if I remember
correctly.
Thanks,
Frank
- Original Message -
From:
George Voss
To: 'Frank Deichsel' ; 'RCSE posting'
Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 10:10
AM
Subject: RE: [RCSE] 1/3 ASW-20 by Dream
Catcher/Mark Smith Info Needed
Frank, Im not
familiar with this particular plane but Id agree with you. The obechi
we get here in the US is going to be pretty thin on a 5M wing unless you
have
a substantial spar system. Have you thought of using 2 layers of the
thin obechi?
George
From: Frank
Deichsel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 26, 2005 9:15
PMTo: RCSE
postingSubject: [RCSE] 1/3
ASW-20 by Dream Catcher/Mark Smith Info
Needed
Hi,
I got a good deal on a 1/3
scale ASW-20 kit made by Mark Smith/Dream Catcher Hobby. Unfortunately there
are no plans included and I need to know what thickness obechi the wing
cores
are cut for. I did some research but no success. The common thickness for
sheeting seems to be 1/42 here, but from what I found that seems to be too
thin for a 5 meter wing. There is a wing made by Mueller in
Germany in the same size which is
sheeted with 1.2 mm which is roughly twice as
thick.
Any info would be
appreciated!
Frank
Jim Ealy
Education by Demonstration
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RE: [RCSE] 75 degrees today
Well, 75F - Wish it was 75F here. We have had a week of high humidity and 95F - 102F. Klaus Weiss Sydney Australia http://www.hsl.org.au http://www.users.bigpond.com/kkw1 - Original Message - From: A. B. Lyles To: Soaring@airage.com Sent: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 22:41:28 -0600 Subject: [RCSE] 75 degrees today Well the temp was 75-76 degrees F today in the Texas Panhandle , not that much wind. Beautiful Day. A.B. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Changing Gearsets
I'm having a brain f-rt while changing plastic gears on an HS81 servo. The gear train appears to be jamming (ie not turning). The metal drive gear spins freely as does the first (small)plastic one, but when I put the next (large)one on the motor ceases to turn. All the gears spin easily on the shafts when not in contact with the metal drive gear. I've changed gears sets many times before without problems. What am I missing? Phil in Vancouver RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Supra
There is one and only one official Supra plan, and those plans and info can be found here: http://charlesriverrc.org/articles/supra/supra.htm And you can get even more info here: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Allegro-Lite/ - the messageboard http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Allegro-Lite/files/Supra/ -the files section And there are a number of Supra RCGroups threads: CNC Supra Build http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=364296highlight=supra another supra build - the slow way http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=437733 Drela Supra http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=320761highlight=supra Here is my unofficial take on what is a Supra, gleaned from my hours of research: There were a handful of people building there own Supra before Kennedy got his into production, and there are many ways to skin a Drela sailplane to mix metaphors... The Supras that were at the NATS this year (Kiesling, Lachowski and Barnes) were most-likely modified slightly from the Drela design for any number of reasons. Mark likes tiny fuselages and some of his construction techniques are a bit too time consuming for mere mortals. The basic parameters of the plane stay the same, the construction techniques often differ due to time/material/builder peculariaties. AFAIK, the wing airfoils stay the same - AG40-AG41-AG42, and most of the Supras out there are bagged wings. Mark's original Supra was 48oz and Kiesling said he has three: two 58oz models and one 64oz model, all of them bagged wings. As far as wingspans and such go, there might be some confusing the Aegea 130 wing with the Supra wing. The Supra wing is the evolution of the Aegea 130 wing (which Phil makes for the Mantis). Mark explains the differences between those two wings on this page: http://charlesriverrc.org/articles/supra/supra.htm I've never heard any discussion on changing length of the tailboom, but the fuselages are often resized as Mark's fuses are tidy affairs with little wiggle room. Also, I don't think I've ever seen or heard of a Supra that doesn't use that sweet little V-mount horizontal stab. I have read quite a bit about spar and wing construction alternatives, though that could easily take days to sift through. And finally... There are a few folks producing individual pieces and parts for the Supra... Les Horvath of CompuFoamCore.com had a fuse/wing/tail core set for sale and Bud Elder makes those v-mounts (in varying sizes!). From time to time you'll see folks offering up Supra fuselages, but they come and go. The bottom line is that if you really want to *know* about the Supra, go and read through the links I've posted, specifically the Yahoo group. End of last fall, I put together an Aegea Mantis w/ a Luckenbach fuselage and Phil's Aegea 130 wing. It's like a poor-boy Supra. A lot of the same ideas, but different, and cheaper (and heavier). One day I might get my homebrew Supra together. James V. Bacus wrote: I have read about the Kennedy molded Supra on the web page, but isn't that a Drela Design as well? It seems when people talk about a Supra (glider) it could mean a lot of different things. Different fuses and lengths, different airfoils, different wingspans, different wing construction (bagged or molded), etc... -- Ben Wilson Web Developer/Consultant [EMAIL PROTECTED] cell: 502.836.8551 home: 502.290.0624 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Obechi thickness
Re: Obechi thickness: Why not go with light ply instead? Any thickness you want should be easy to obtain. Jeff Thompson RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Supra
That's the kind of information I was looking for, thanks. I have seen some of those links before but not all. And I guess it answers my question, there are countless variations of the Supra. I'll be getting a molded one but it seems to be in the spirit of things I should modify it in some way too. ;-) At 03:35 PM 12/27/2005, Ben Wilson wrote: There is one and only one official Supra plan, and those plans and info can be found here: http://charlesriverrc.org/articles/supra/supra.htm And you can get even more info here: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Allegro-Lite/ - the messageboard http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Allegro-Lite/files/Supra/ -the files section And there are a number of Supra RCGroups threads: CNC Supra Build http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=364296highlight=supra another supra build - the slow way http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=437733 Drela Supra http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=320761highlight=supra Here is my unofficial take on what is a Supra, gleaned from my hours of research: There were a handful of people building there own Supra before Kennedy got his into production, and there are many ways to skin a Drela sailplane to mix metaphors... The Supras that were at the NATS this year (Kiesling, Lachowski and Barnes) were most-likely modified slightly from the Drela design for any number of reasons. Mark likes tiny fuselages and some of his construction techniques are a bit too time consuming for mere mortals. The basic parameters of the plane stay the same, the construction techniques often differ due to time/material/builder peculariaties. AFAIK, the wing airfoils stay the same - AG40-AG41-AG42, and most of the Supras out there are bagged wings. Mark's original Supra was 48oz and Kiesling said he has three: two 58oz models and one 64oz model, all of them bagged wings. As far as wingspans and such go, there might be some confusing the Aegea 130 wing with the Supra wing. The Supra wing is the evolution of the Aegea 130 wing (which Phil makes for the Mantis). Mark explains the differences between those two wings on this page: http://charlesriverrc.org/articles/supra/supra.htm I've never heard any discussion on changing length of the tailboom, but the fuselages are often resized as Mark's fuses are tidy affairs with little wiggle room. Also, I don't think I've ever seen or heard of a Supra that doesn't use that sweet little V-mount horizontal stab. I have read quite a bit about spar and wing construction alternatives, though that could easily take days to sift through. And finally... There are a few folks producing individual pieces and parts for the Supra... Les Horvath of CompuFoamCore.com had a fuse/wing/tail core set for sale and Bud Elder makes those v-mounts (in varying sizes!). From time to time you'll see folks offering up Supra fuselages, but they come and go. The bottom line is that if you really want to *know* about the Supra, go and read through the links I've posted, specifically the Yahoo group. End of last fall, I put together an Aegea Mantis w/ a Luckenbach fuselage and Phil's Aegea 130 wing. It's like a poor-boy Supra. A lot of the same ideas, but different, and cheaper (and heavier). One day I might get my homebrew Supra together. James V. Bacus wrote: I have read about the Kennedy molded Supra on the web page, but isn't that a Drela Design as well? It seems when people talk about a Supra (glider) it could mean a lot of different things. Different fuses and lengths, different airfoils, different wingspans, different wing construction (bagged or molded), etc... -- Ben Wilson Web Developer/Consultant [EMAIL PROTECTED] cell: 502.836.8551 home: 502.290.0624 Jim Downers Grove, IL Member of the Chicago SOAR club, and Team JR AMA 592537LSF 7560 Level IV R/C Soaring blog at www.jimbacus.net RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Inexpensive Power towing
Scott Marnoch and I have been doing some towing with the Multiplex Magister and Easy Glider combination. It is a blast. We have two Magisters powered with AXI 2826/08 with a three bladed 11 x 7 prop and two 3-cell lipo 2200 maH battery packs. It is a real blast. Scott made tow cables approx 60 long, and with the large tricycle gear on the Magister it is easy to get the two up off the ground. With a Castle Creations Speed Controller, you can program the power down to about 300 Watts which is more than enough and keeps up the flight time. You can tow the easy glider quite high and it flys real well, not at all like a foam sailplane. It is lightly loaded (less than 6 oz/ft sq). We modified the glider by building a simple releasable tow hook on it. The Magister has a built in tow release so you can release from either end (glider or tow plane). That came in handy on the second attempt when Scott (flying tow) and I (fling the glider) both realized at the same instant that we had a problem and release both ends simultaneously. That left the tow line free falling and both planes ok. I know that Scott has some pictures of the flying, and I have a couple of the mods that Scott came up with to the Easy Glider for the tow hook if anyone is interested. The Magister is about $110 and the Easy Glider $90 or so. The Magister comes with a stock 680 motor. I tried that first, but its a little power short. ** Henry P. Schorz Executive Vice President - Chief Scientist ACT Litigation Services 27200 tourney Road Suite 450 Valencia, Ca 91355 PH: (661) 284-6401 x232 FX: (661) 284-7654 ** Confidentiality Notice: The information contained in this e-mail and any attachments may be legally privileged and confidential. If you are not an intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender and permanently delete the e-mail and any attachments immediately. You should not retain, copy or use this e-mail or any attachment for any purpose, nor disclose all or any part of the contents to any other person. Thank you in advance for your cooperation.
Re: [RCSE] Supra
Correction. I DO NOT have a Supra. My models are a little smaller and have a different airfoil for F3b. I just do a light layup for F3j/TD around 60 oz. Doesn't quite have the hang time of the AG4x series, but it will go fast. You can blame me for the fuselage pod on Mark Drela's, Tom Kiesling, and Phil Barnes models. Mark and Tom used fuselages pulled from the first mold made from my F3b fuselage plug which is set up for a different airfoil and a flat center panel. Phil used a different fuselage that I did with a little longer nose and the top of the pylon done for the AG40 and a little dihedral in the center. I've used this longer fuselage on my TD layup of my F3b model to cut out a little nose weight since I had a molded tail which I haven't managed to build as light as a bagged tail yet. I also used a really light layup of the F3b fuse with a canopy setup for my Bubble Dancer. Some day I may have a Supra if a mold ever appears with the longer center panel of the design vs the shorter center on Kennedy Supra. And it would probably have the smaller pod on it. Phil's Supra130 also ends up changed a little. Production changes designs to suit constraits of the materials or shipping. Phil does have the longest tail boom of any Supra. Ben Wilson wrote: There is one and only one official Supra plan, and those plans and info can be found here: http://charlesriverrc.org/articles/supra/supra.htm And you can get even more info here: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Allegro-Lite/ - the messageboard http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Allegro-Lite/files/Supra/ -the files section And there are a number of Supra RCGroups threads: CNC Supra Build http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=364296highlight=supra another supra build - the slow way http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=437733 Drela Supra http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=320761highlight=supra Here is my unofficial take on what is a Supra, gleaned from my hours of research: There were a handful of people building there own Supra before Kennedy got his into production, and there are many ways to skin a Drela sailplane to mix metaphors... The Supras that were at the NATS this year (Kiesling, Lachowski and Barnes) were most-likely modified slightly from the Drela design for any number of reasons. Mark likes tiny fuselages and some of his construction techniques are a bit too time consuming for mere mortals. The basic parameters of the plane stay the same, the construction techniques often differ due to time/material/builder peculariaties. AFAIK, the wing airfoils stay the same - AG40-AG41-AG42, and most of the Supras out there are bagged wings. Mark's original Supra was 48oz and Kiesling said he has three: two 58oz models and one 64oz model, all of them bagged wings. As far as wingspans and such go, there might be some confusing the Aegea 130 wing with the Supra wing. The Supra wing is the evolution of the Aegea 130 wing (which Phil makes for the Mantis). Mark explains the differences between those two wings on this page: http://charlesriverrc.org/articles/supra/supra.htm I've never heard any discussion on changing length of the tailboom, but the fuselages are often resized as Mark's fuses are tidy affairs with little wiggle room. Also, I don't think I've ever seen or heard of a Supra that doesn't use that sweet little V-mount horizontal stab. I have read quite a bit about spar and wing construction alternatives, though that could easily take days to sift through. And finally... There are a few folks producing individual pieces and parts for the Supra... Les Horvath of CompuFoamCore.com had a fuse/wing/tail core set for sale and Bud Elder makes those v-mounts (in varying sizes!). From time to time you'll see folks offering up Supra fuselages, but they come and go. The bottom line is that if you really want to *know* about the Supra, go and read through the links I've posted, specifically the Yahoo group. End of last fall, I put together an Aegea Mantis w/ a Luckenbach fuselage and Phil's Aegea 130 wing. It's like a poor-boy Supra. A lot of the same ideas, but different, and cheaper (and heavier). One day I might get my homebrew Supra together. James V. Bacus wrote: I have read about the Kennedy molded Supra on the web page, but isn't that a Drela Design as well? It seems when people talk about a Supra (glider) it could mean a lot of different things. Different fuses and lengths, different airfoils, different wingspans, different wing construction (bagged or molded), etc... RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Great new line of affordable R/C Soaring shirts AVAILABLE
Can we get the prints on the back of the shirts too. I personally don't like anything except a small logo or such on the front. Thermals, TommyT On 12/26/05, Tom Rent [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Customize the colors and shirt style to your liking!Ladies and children type shirts available as well. PREVIEW HERE:http://users.goldengate.net/~tmrent/soar/soaringgoods.htmMore items in design, so bookmark the page.Good Lift, TOMRCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News.Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to soaring-request@airage.com.Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Supra
Now that you have had time to eat well and digest... send that SportTube back to Barry so I can get mine! 8-)) At 01:28 PM 12/27/2005, S Meyer wrote: You can barbecue it, boil it, broil it, bake it, sautee it. There's, um, shrimp kebabs, shrimp creole, shrimp gumbo, pan fried, deep fried, stir fried. There's pineapple shrimp and lemon shrimp, coconut shrimp, pepper shrimp, shrimp soup, shrimp stew, shrimp salad, shrimp and potatoes, shrimp burger, shrimp sandwich... Jim Downers Grove, IL Member of the Chicago SOAR club, and Team JR AMA 592537LSF 7560 Level IV R/C Soaring blog at www.jimbacus.net RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Cabosil question
I need to buy some cabosil but don't know where to purchase it. Is the West System, #406 colloidal silica adhesive filler the same stuff as cabosil? Thanks, S Gibson RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Cabosil question
Steve. . .check places that do fiberglas boat hull repairs. One here had it in big sacks for their work and gave me a 2-pound oleo container full for a buck. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: rc Soaring Exchange Soaring@airage.com Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 6:47 PM Subject: [RCSE] Cabosil question I need to buy some cabosil but don't know where to purchase it. Is the West System, #406 colloidal silica adhesive filler the same stuff as cabosil? Thanks, S Gibson RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
