Re: [RCSE] assisted soaring,etc
Why is it that it doesn't seem to make that much (or any)difference if you have a pic or not in serious contests. Tom Keisling,Josh Glabb, DP, JW etc. seem to win no matter what. It actually takes some skill to use a pic right. I found that I tend to fly around waiting to hear lift instead of looking at the normal conditions that usually indicate it. Like guys circling in a thermal, a hawk,swallows, a bunch of guys looking in the same direction, etc. Last contest I tried it in my Escape and had to take it out. It just wasn't helping me. I turned in marginal lift and lost altitude too many times. Turning at all is often the wrong move on certain days when minimum sink is best with a slow steady, no turn flight. T - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; soaring@airage.com Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 5:36 PM Subject: Re: [RCSE] assisted soaring,etc In a message dated 1/23/2006 5:08:38 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Today, Idon't feel that the use of telemetry is in the"spirit" of the rules as they were originallyintended. Whew, I'm so glad you guys weren't around in the 60s when I was flying 400 sq. in. pylon pattern with Orions Taurus's. We used reeds, by pulsing spring loaded switches with our thumbs, Bonner servos were about22 inoz of torque, and about 4" long. Elevator trim was the only trim, a 4th servo slid the elevator servo arm forward and back for trim. My point is, when Pro Line Kraft came out with proportional radios, everyone said it was unfair to just move a stick, and the surface moved an equivalent amount, and trim was on all channels and no extra servo. People tried to kill propo for competition, but lucky for us, they didn't. That was a huge jump in technology. Ilaid awaya Pro Line two stick right away ($650.00), and I made $500.00 permonth with a wife two kids to feed. If the screamers would have prevailed, we would not have any of this. I'm 68 now, and I mostly fly relaxed woody events , because of arguments like this. I have two JR 9303s 40 or 50 planes, and two Pics, plus lots of OFBs. So there. Bill GrenobleLSF 7558 IVHawksnest SoaringShermans Dale, PA
Re: [RCSE] assisted soaring,timer,etc
I have noticed that the timer makes a big difference. Put a good pilot with a novice timer (who likes to help) and it can make a negative difference. Ever had to argue with a timer who tries to tell you how to fly instead of reading the conditions? Ever do what the timer said and find it was the wrong decision? Ever have a great pilot as a timer and see your flying improve? I would think that would make a bigger difference than an electronic sensor. I would think having the great pilots time for you is more of an advantage than a marginal pilot using a sensor. T - Original Message - From: Sheldon-YNT uDesign [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'John Diniz' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Jo Grini' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Soaring@airage.com Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 7:27 PM Subject: RE: [RCSE] assisted soaring,etc I'd go regardless. I like using my Pic because there aren't any local pilots that can help me understand what I'm doing. I think the Pic helps me get a reference on what the plane is actually doing with what I'm seeing visually. I hope though that it will be a tool that can be dispensed with as I gain more of that all-important experience. Again, this is in the absence of other pilots to help. But, as Jim said, it takes flying to really gain the experience. That Pic doesn't help me a bit when it comes to putting it down where and when I want for the landing, and that's only going to come with practice, something I'm sorely in need of! -Sheldon- -Original Message- From: John Diniz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 12:38 PM To: Jo Grini; Soaring@airage.com Subject: RE: [RCSE] assisted soaring,etc So,for you guys that do use Pic's and other devices: Would you not go to an event because they were not allowed, or would you just not use it for that event? John -Original Message- From: Jo Grini [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 10:07 AM To: Soaring@airage.com Subject: Re: [RCSE] assisted soaring,etc I dont like it but I have to agree totally with Daryl.. ;-) Though last WC in Canada some wondered why I had binoculars with me on the field... And many years ago I think they used bubble machines in WC F3B controlled by a Tx. Even smoke and rockets have been. I hope we never come to that again. I like to win by spotting the signs nature gives. No I have never used any electronic equipment or any feedback from the plane but I did borrow a picolario a few months. It was nice to test different Rx batteries in the cold. Incredible how much power 6 digital servos use in the zoom. warning, warning... Hilsen (Regards) Jojo NEW: www.jojoen.no - Original Message - From: Daryl Perkins Subject: Re: [RCSE] assisted soaring,etc You guys don't get the zen side of it. The telemetry is neat stuff, and fun to use I'm sure on non-contest days. But it has no place in a contest. Use them to learn about your model. Use them to learn about your skill level. Use them to learn about lift. But leave them at home on contest days. If a soaring contest is no longer about recognizing workable lift... what exactly are we contesting? I have my own views, and I'm not always right... well.. yes I am actually but I have to say that the use of these things in a contest setting offends me on every level. Sandbagging is legal too... doesn't make it right. 2 cents, D RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] ANOTHER PERSPECTIVE about assisted soaring, value of winning.
Harley, You have the respect of everyone including mine, but everyone is entitled to do their own thing within the laws of the country they live in. If you are turned off by contests, I'm sure that is fine with everyone, but all they ask is to let them do what they like to do. Bluntly, I consider your post man's usual rant of this is how I see life, why don't you see it the same way I do? Isn't this pretty much what man has fought about for too long a time, one religion trying to devour another religion ? One ideology trying to over come another ideology. People are killing people today over religion because man has not learned how to live in harmony. I like contests for many reasons, starting with the camaraderie among the players, do I have to explain to you and others why I enjoy contests? Do I need your blessing or someone's blessing? I go to contests because I enjoy it. I know this post will put me to death with your friends and all the non contest people that subscribe to man's oldest weakness, but I have the courage to say what needs to be said. Man needs to stop imposing his will on other men to satisfy what ever it is that seems to require this of many. Man has to learn tolerance so Grand Children can live in peace. Best regards, Ray Hayes http://www.skybench.com Home of Wood Crafters - Original Message - From: Harley Michaelis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: soaring@airage.com Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 9:22 PM Subject: [RCSE] ANOTHER PERSPECTIVE about assisted soaring, value of winning. I am rarely motivated to add to other conflicting opinions, but have a little different perspective on the competition thing. Bear with me, please. Way back in grade school I could outrun anyone my age. When I entered high school, I could outrun anyone there. My chances for getting into college hinged totally on getting an athletic scholarship in track. I competed gung ho with that in mind. It got me a 4 year college tuition scholarship. I paid for everything else by working and also supported a wife from my sophomore year on. I was a daddy in my senior year, too. Staying competitive in track was *essential* to graduating. After graduation and WW2, at 25 I entered a career selling field for 40 years that required staying competitive. It was *essential* to making a decent living. I'd been a free flight enthusiast early 1940's but got tired of chasing the things. Latter 1960's, I heard about the fledgling sport of R/C sailplanes. I was intrigued with the idea of thermalling and landing nearby. After a couple of years of bad experience with poor radio equipment I got a Kraft 3 channel proportional, designed some originals, heard of contests and decided to attend. I desperately needed an escape from a very taxing personal situation in which my most beautiful 2nd wife, Patricia, was becoming progressively disabled. I also had some curiosity about what the other guys were flying. I came with original designs such as the 150 span Miskeet (See the Misc. Pics file) at http://genie.rchomepage.com/. My escape at home was building original sailplanes. When it was possible, I escaped to contests. I liked hanging out with the flyguys and watching those beautiful ships fly. I won my share and a win would give momentary ego gratification, but I never considered it a big deal. It wasn't *essential* to anything important. Pat's illness put the proper perspective on what was important. After Pat went into a nursing home in Jan. 1975, I was all torn up, but could then easily escape to contests. After she made me a widower, still escaping to contests, my NWSS Season's Ranking got better. In 1990 at age 69 I went for the Season Championship. I got it in both 2 Meter and Open Class. We had some 150 guys competing on the circuit then, when a $200 sailplane was a rarity. Now we have about 50 and a $200 sailplane is a rarity for totally different reasons. I did not like myself that year. Usually enjoying the guys and flying, I got picky about rule bending, guys sandbagging and anything that I thought put me at a competitive disadvantage. It wasn't the usual laid back fun. I concluded being the champ was not worth the militance and decided *never again*. I don't know what motivates otherwise mature, grown men to strive to be competitive in this game. There is no logic to it. You'll spend far more money going to contests than you'll ever get back.The rest of the world cares not about your ranking. Your family likely cares not and may resent your participation. It will not get you 15 minutes of fame on the world's stage. If you're a smart-ass, egotistical, obnoxious competitor it won't get you respect or make friends for you. In the 'eternal scheme of things', how you did in sailplane contests is without meaning. Having deplored winning sailplane contests, let me point out what, IMHO, are greater satisfactions in this wonderful activity. Learning how to
Re: [RCSE] assisted soaring,timer,etc
Tom, It has been this way since day one... Ray Hayes http://www.skybench.com Home of Wood Crafters - Original Message - From: Tom Broeski [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'John Diniz' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Jo Grini' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Soaring@airage.com Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 6:16 AM Subject: Re: [RCSE] assisted soaring,timer,etc I have noticed that the timer makes a big difference. Put a good pilot with a novice timer (who likes to help) and it can make a negative difference. Ever had to argue with a timer who tries to tell you how to fly instead of reading the conditions? Ever do what the timer said and find it was the wrong decision? Ever have a great pilot as a timer and see your flying improve? I would think that would make a bigger difference than an electronic sensor. I would think having the great pilots time for you is more of an advantage than a marginal pilot using a sensor. T - Original Message - From: Sheldon-YNT uDesign [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'John Diniz' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Jo Grini' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Soaring@airage.com Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 7:27 PM Subject: RE: [RCSE] assisted soaring,etc I'd go regardless. I like using my Pic because there aren't any local pilots that can help me understand what I'm doing. I think the Pic helps me get a reference on what the plane is actually doing with what I'm seeing visually. I hope though that it will be a tool that can be dispensed with as I gain more of that all-important experience. Again, this is in the absence of other pilots to help. But, as Jim said, it takes flying to really gain the experience. That Pic doesn't help me a bit when it comes to putting it down where and when I want for the landing, and that's only going to come with practice, something I'm sorely in need of! -Sheldon- -Original Message- From: John Diniz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 12:38 PM To: Jo Grini; Soaring@airage.com Subject: RE: [RCSE] assisted soaring,etc So,for you guys that do use Pic's and other devices: Would you not go to an event because they were not allowed, or would you just not use it for that event? John -Original Message- From: Jo Grini [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 10:07 AM To: Soaring@airage.com Subject: Re: [RCSE] assisted soaring,etc I dont like it but I have to agree totally with Daryl.. ;-) Though last WC in Canada some wondered why I had binoculars with me on the field... And many years ago I think they used bubble machines in WC F3B controlled by a Tx. Even smoke and rockets have been. I hope we never come to that again. I like to win by spotting the signs nature gives. No I have never used any electronic equipment or any feedback from the plane but I did borrow a picolario a few months. It was nice to test different Rx batteries in the cold. Incredible how much power 6 digital servos use in the zoom. warning, warning... Hilsen (Regards) Jojo NEW: www.jojoen.no - Original Message - From: Daryl Perkins Subject: Re: [RCSE] assisted soaring,etc You guys don't get the zen side of it. The telemetry is neat stuff, and fun to use I'm sure on non-contest days. But it has no place in a contest. Use them to learn about your model. Use them to learn about your skill level. Use them to learn about lift. But leave them at home on contest days. If a soaring contest is no longer about recognizing workable lift... what exactly are we contesting? I have my own views, and I'm not always right... well.. yes I am actually but I have to say that the use of these things in a contest setting offends me on every level. Sandbagging is legal too... doesn't make it right. 2 cents, D RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL
[RCSE] RE:assisted soaring,etc
From: Tom Kallevang [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is Gordy's best post yet, on ANY subject! tk Guess that is how the cookie crumbles! --ppc Paul Clark, SKY PILOT, Osaka, Japan (AMA # 53 777 1) http://www.jesus4greaterasia.com/ http://www.jesus4greaterasia.com/skypilot/ SKY PILOT'S HANGAR--RCHLG-DHL AFICIONADO No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.22/238 - Release Date: 1/23/2006
[RCSE] Full Size in NZ
Paul Naton had listed this website on RC Groups and it has some plainly stunning pics of full scales, like multiple ships on landing and flybys in the same pass. Really neat things to look at in your liesure. www.gp06.com/gallery.php Marc RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] Full Size in NZ
Here is another site covering the same competition. There are also daily updates on this invitation only soaring competition. http://www.grandprix06.com/ Walt From: Marc Gellart [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: soaring@airage.com Subject: [RCSE] Full Size in NZ Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 06:59:52 -0600 (CST) Paul Naton had listed this website on RC Groups and it has some plainly stunning pics of full scales, like multiple ships on landing and flybys in the same pass. Really neat things to look at in your liesure. www.gp06.com/gallery.php Marc RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] assisted soaring,timer,etc
Yes it does. I feel I can mostly fly and call for myself BUT in a flight group of +6-7 pilots I cant keep track of them all. That is the time I really need a timer. And I am also reduced in hearing on my right ear (also because I focus so much that I forget to listen...) so the timer needs to shout ;-) One thing is for sure: I went to the Nats knowing that Picolarios was allowed. And I still wanted to compete since the format appealed to me. If I thought the Picolarios were so bad I would have worked for a rule change. But I dont! Though I still feel free to say a few words on the list ;-) But guys (and girls)!!! It is about time we get a few flight reports also. I need to know more about that Supra Hilsen (Regards) Jojo NEW: www.jojoen.no - Original Message - Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 12:16 PM Subject: Re: [RCSE] assisted soaring,timer,etc I have noticed that the timer makes a big difference. Put a good pilot with a novice timer (who likes to help) and it can make a negative difference. Ever had to argue with a timer who tries to tell you how to fly instead of reading the conditions? Ever do what the timer said and find it was the wrong decision? Ever have a great pilot as a timer and see your flying improve? I would think that would make a bigger difference than an electronic sensor. I would think having the great pilots time for you is more of an advantage than a marginal pilot using a sensor. T RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] assisted soaring,etc
No rule against jamming them either. :-) Unless maybe if they are on a HAM band. Steve Meyer SOAR, LSF IV At 04:56 PM 1/23/2006, Jon Stone wrote: Today, I don't feel that the use of telemetry is in the spirit of the rules as they were originally intended. The AMA soaring rules specifically state such devices are allowed. 10.1.f. Thermal Sensor Rule. Thermal sensing devices shall be permitted provided that any such device and the contestant comply with all FCC regulations and that any such device does not interfere with the conduct of the contest. No special arrangement or rearrangement of flight order, established as noted above, shall be made in consideration of such devices. http://www.modelaircraft.org/comp/0506Rulebook/RCsoaring.pdf RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Rick Hallett
For those of you who would like to send condolences to Rick Hallet's family, or make a charitable donation in his memory, I have the following information: If you would like to send his family an email, you can send it to his daughter Leigh Hallett. Please send me an email so I can give her email address to you. If you would like to send a card, mail it to The Hallett Family 65 Somerset Ave. Pittsfield, ME 04967 If you would like to make a charitable contribution in his memory, the family asks that you make it to the Brain Trust, www.braintrust.org and via USPS at The Brain Trust, 186 Hampshire Street, Cambridge, MA 02139-1320 (tax deductible, of course). The family is especially interested in any stories or anecdotes you may be able to share about Rick. Rick was one of those rare people who participated in the sport for the fun of it. Winning was not important, and his ability to shrug off mishaps was amazing. This positive attitude also helped his family and friends deal with his brief and serious battle with brain cancer. Rick was a driving force in the DownEast Soaring Club of Maine and CDed many contests for them. He was a regular at the CRRC Soar-In, the northernmost ESL contest and other contests in New England that were in reasonable driving distance from his home in central Maine. Anker Anker Berg-Sonne [EMAIL PROTECTED] RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] assisted soaring,etc
On 1/24/06, Steve Schneider [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Speaking of jamming them and Ham bands, how many of the users of the Pic's are using them illegally. The one that I have requires a ham licence to use. I know the newer ones use the FRC channels, but I can't leagelly use mine, therefore I can't use it at the NATS or any other major contest. Don't get me wrong, I'm not complaining. I just get confused listening to them anyway. On 1/24/06, S Meyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No rule against jamming them either. :-)Unless maybe if they are on a HAM band. Steve MeyerSOAR, LSF IVAt 04:56 PM 1/23/2006, Jon Stone wrote: Today, I don't feel that the use of telemetry is in the spirit of the rules as they were originally intended.The AMA soaring rules specifically state such devices are allowed.10.1.f. Thermal Sensor Rule. Thermal sensing devices shall bepermitted provided that any such device and the contestant comply with all FCC regulations and that any such device does not interferewith the conduct of the contest. No special arrangement orrearrangement of flight order, established as noted above, shall be made in consideration of such devices.http://www.modelaircraft.org/comp/0506Rulebook/RCsoaring.pdf RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News.Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to soaring-request@airage.com.Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format -- Steve SchneiderBuffalo Grove, ILSOAR Club-- Steve SchneiderBuffalo Grove, IL SOAR Club
[RCSE] Re: More Lead myths
Steve: I am not sure you understand your chemistry as well as you flame people. Lead metal is very different than lead compounds - you are talking about lead compounds in paint, which no one on this list is talking about. We are talking about lead metal for ballast. Tetra Ethyl lead, A COMPOUND, was put into gasoline, and so forth. Lead acetate, which tastes very sweet, was put in to some paints as well as white lead oxide. I could not sell my victorian house to a family in PA because the Fed Gov (Fannie Mae or Freddie Mac)was going to back the family's loan. Why don't we stop the stupid rationalizations about lead vapors and accept that they in fact are dangerous cheers, Jim On Tue, 24 Jan 2006 08:24:48 +, S Meyer wrote: At 04:01 PM 1/23/2006, JIM EALY wrote: Eating lead is not nearly as toxic as the vapor, if you eat too much you'll barf. Wrong Lead is most toxic when ingested. (Wash your hands.) http://www.epa.gov/lead/pubs/leadinfo.htm#facts You have to remove lead paint from old home to sell them. Wrong. I do not know about other states but the Federal, Illinois, and Wisconsin law is that it only needs to be disclosed. http://www.nsc.org/issues/lead/leaddisclosure.htm Look over information on those pages, it is easy to protect yourself from lead. Steve Meyer SOAR, LSF IV Jim Ealy Education by Demonstration RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] assisted soaring,etc
In a message dated 1/24/2006 8:46:39 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: No rule against "jamming" them either. :-)Unless maybe if they are on a HAM band.Steve MeyerSOAR, LSF IV That sounds great. What next? How about just using a synth module and "jam" the channel. It would bring them down quicker than waiting for them to fly into sink. That would really narrow the field , and make it easier foryou to win! Good thinking. BG Bill GrenobleLSF 7558 IVHawksnest SoaringShermans Dale, PA
[RCSE] Real Balls available soon...
I know a lot of folks have been waiting patiently for "Real Balls" ball bearing endplates to become available again. I will be starting a big batch o' "balls" in about 3 weeks. What I need to know is HOW MANY to make. If you want a set of "Real Balls" now would be a good time to let me know. They will be $300.00/set including shipping, and will have the finned brushcap GOLD anodized for extra cool pit racing beauty. I don't want any $$$ yet, just a firm, "By Jingos, I want a set!" from you. As soon as I get close, I'll hit you up for the money. I'm making my build list now, so if you're interested, send me an E-mail titled: "I want "Real Balls" with your contact info, and how many sets you want. now go fly something... [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [RCSE] ANOTHER PERSPECTIVE about assisted soaring, value of winning.
Great post Harley. Enjoyable read. At 08:22 PM 1/23/2006, Harley Michaelis wrote: ... I did not like myself that year. Usually enjoying the guys and flying, I got picky about rule bending, guys sandbagging and anything that I thought put me at a competitive disadvantage. It wasn't the usual laid back fun. I concluded being the champ was not worth the militance and decided *never again*. I guess that is a good reason why I am not on top. :-) Please tell us. . .other than ego satisfaction, just why do you want to win sailplane contests? What is it that's so *essential* about this form of competition??? Winning a competition is satisfying only if you beat nature, yourself, and every competitor. Some people are content to only compete against the first two. Satisfaction comes from knowing that you eclipsed a new peak in performance by selecting the right equipment, practicing, and performing to the best of your ability at that moment. Not even nature in it's almighty powers can keep you from cheating gravity and soaring to heights and distances that the Hawks and Eagles enjoy. And that moment though in the past, cannot be changed, for it is history, to be savored and reflected upon whenever one wishes to. After a win it's back to the drawing board to draft up another win. Maybe a better plane, lighter, faster, perhaps more practice. A new win is around the corner Steve Meyer SOAR, LSF IV RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] ANOTHER PERSPECTIVE about assisted soaring, value of winning.
Please, please. We all need to reflect on this old saying... Before you criticize someone, walk a mile in his shoes. Then when you do criticize that person, you'll be a mile away and have his shoes. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] casting lead
Just make sure you keep it below the boiling point, 1740.0 °C, and it will be safe. I quote http://www.du.edu/~jcalvert/phys/lead.htm There is no risk at all in handling lead metal. It cannot be absorbed through the skin or the respiratory tract. It's on the Internet it must be true. :-) Steve Meyer SOAR, LSF IV At 09:27 AM 1/23/2006, JIM EALY wrote: Hello: As you will hear from others, lead fumes are really bad news. If you must, do it only outdoors and that is not fair to your neighbors, etc. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Re: More Lead myths
At 04:01 PM 1/23/2006, JIM EALY wrote: Eating lead is not nearly as toxic as the vapor, if you eat too much you'll barf. Wrong Lead is most toxic when ingested. (Wash your hands.) http://www.epa.gov/lead/pubs/leadinfo.htm#facts You have to remove lead paint from old home to sell them. Wrong. I do not know about other states but the Federal, Illinois, and Wisconsin law is that it only needs to be disclosed. http://www.nsc.org/issues/lead/leaddisclosure.htm Look over information on those pages, it is easy to protect yourself from lead. Steve Meyer SOAR, LSF IV RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Re: Lost Your Cookies
Gordy, Gordy, Gordy! Wrong technology! Should have used a GPS navigation system. Oh the inhumanity of it all! - OkieSoar Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 19:44:59 EST From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: assisted soaring,etc, tonite's observations along that topic So I went out to get some Chinese take out, I managed to get there without my Picolario and back, but not in time. My two Catahoula's had managed to seek out a rubber maid container with about 40 Cowboy cookies just made last nite and one of the best batches the little lady had ever baked. (photos available..of the dogs not the cookies). Between the two of them they ate every single cookie (Cowboy cookies were chocolate chip with oatmeal)... By the time I got home all that was left was crumbs on the floor. Now I can't tell you if they would have felt less satisfied had they used a Picolario to find that container versus just using their nose's to read the air so I guess this isn't very definitive as to that topic, cuz they looked pretty satisfied periodkind of like JB after a win with onePicolario that is, not Catahoula or Cowboy cookie. However I can tell you that I would have very much preferred not to have experienced the experiment at all. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] assisted soaring,etc
Steve, the FCC frowns on intentional jamming. Ham bands or not. The Pic's use the FRS portion fo the 70cm band (462 to 467Mhz set out in FCC regs [95.401(b)] and yes thats also allocated and regulated by FCC regulations. 73's Walt W5SWA From: S Meyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Jon Stone [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: soaring@airage.com Subject: Re: [RCSE] assisted soaring,etc Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 07:46:31 -0600 No rule against jamming them either. :-) Unless maybe if they are on a HAM band. Steve Meyer SOAR, LSF IV At 04:56 PM 1/23/2006, Jon Stone wrote: Today, I don't feel that the use of telemetry is in the spirit of the rules as they were originally intended. The AMA soaring rules specifically state such devices are allowed. 10.1.f. Thermal Sensor Rule. Thermal sensing devices shall be permitted provided that any such device and the contestant comply with all FCC regulations and that any such device does not interfere with the conduct of the contest. No special arrangement or rearrangement of flight order, established as noted above, shall be made in consideration of such devices. http://www.modelaircraft.org/comp/0506Rulebook/RCsoaring.pdf RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Re: More Lead myths
Steve: I am not sure you understand your chemistry as well as you flame people. Lead metal is very different than lead compounds - you are talking about lead compounds in paint, which no one on this list is talking about. We are talking about lead metal for ballast. Tetra Ethyl lead A COMPOUND was put into gasoline, and so forth. Lead acetate, which tastes very sweet, was put in to some paints as well as white lead oxide. I could not sell my victorian house to a family in PA because the Fed Gov (Fannie Mae or Freddie Mac)was going to back the family's loan. Why don't we stop the stupid rationalizations about lead vapors and accept that they in fact are dangerous cheers, Jim On Tue, 24 Jan 2006 08:24:48 +, S Meyer wrote: At 04:01 PM 1/23/2006, JIM EALY wrote: Eating lead is not nearly as toxic as the vapor, if you eat too much you'll barf. Wrong Lead is most toxic when ingested. (Wash your hands.) http://www.epa.gov/lead/pubs/leadinfo.htm#facts You have to remove lead paint from old home to sell them. Wrong. I do not know about other states but the Federal, Illinois, and Wisconsin law is that it only needs to be disclosed. http://www.nsc.org/issues/lead/leaddisclosure.htm Look over information on those pages, it is easy to protect yourself from lead. Steve Meyer SOAR, LSF IV Jim Ealy Education by Demonstration RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] assisted soaring,etc
Assisted soaring is going to a contest with your plane and hand the tx to DP and let him fly for you.right? Brian -- Brian Chan, Trapped in the Jungle of Bureaucratic Lead Tape and Sinking. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] assisted soaring,etc
My system did require my license to be legal as the downlink was on the 2 meter band. I also fly my planes on ham frequencies. One problem with 'some' of the telemetry units is that they are on Europe FRS frequencies that are not legal FRS frequencies in the USA. This should not be a problem for any units imported by a distributer or sold by a retailer in the USA but can be a problem for grey market units. If you can listen to the unit on a FRS radio you bought at WallMart then it is on OK frequencies. Generally the telemetry units are more hinderance than help in a TD contest but they can be very useful for testing. michael RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Ray Hayes
Ray, private mail to you is bouncing back. Please send me an e-mail with a valid one. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Attention Winch GUYS....
Fellas, I have had a couple of private post from around the country about winches... An Expert I am not... However, The winch Doc IS !! I hear that he will be making REAL Balls soon, IF you do not have balls, you need em, Yes, They are a little pricy, BUT, well worth the investment, wether you winch is a home brew, a Tim McCann, Bat winch or whatever. The DOcs Website is probably the Best when it comes to hard data on how AND why to set up your winch motor... If you are new to winches this data is a must read... Docs service is really great as well MY 15 year old BAT winch has had balls since day one, Has run amny a contests on it, as well as the local club contests. I have basicall beat the heck out this thing, I have replaced the motor twice in that timeenuuf said !! Get Balls or get balled !! CJ The Preceeding reflects an personal opinion of the indicated writer, and is not endorsed by anyone, anything, noway, nohow, anytime.. --Jack Strother Granger, IN LSF 2948 LSF Level V #117 LSF Official 1996 - 2004 CSS Gold
Re: [RCSE] Ray Hayes
Harley, I have just one address and I have received several direct replies from RCSE posts today so I know there is not a problem at this end. I don't have a clue why your email to me is bouncing. Ray Hayes http://www.skybench.com Home of Wood Crafters - Original Message - From: Harley Michaelis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: soaring@airage.com Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 4:15 PM Subject: [RCSE] Ray Hayes Ray, private mail to you is bouncing back. Please send me an e-mail with a valid one. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] assisted soaring,timer,etc
JoJo. I can give you a tip, which will put you at an advantage against the other competitors get your timer to stand on your left side :) Klaus Weiss Sydney Australia http://www.hsl.org.au http://www.users.bigpond.com/kkw1 -Original Message- From: Jo Grini [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, 25 January 2006 12:34 AM That is the time I really need a timer. And I am also reduced in hearing on my right ear (also because I focus so much that I forget to listen...) so the timer needs to shout ;-) RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Ray Hayes
blacklist.sequoia.ops.asp.att.net and several other spam blocking lists are out of wack and bouncing all kinds of email from most major providers and companies like bmi, gte, ntelos, etc. T - Original Message - From: Ray Hayes [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Harley Michaelis [EMAIL PROTECTED]; soaring@airage.com Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 5:19 PM Subject: Re: [RCSE] Ray Hayes Harley, I have just one address and I have received several direct replies from RCSE posts today so I know there is not a problem at this end. I don't have a clue why your email to me is bouncing. Ray Hayes http://www.skybench.com Home of Wood Crafters - Original Message - From: Harley Michaelis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: soaring@airage.com Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 4:15 PM Subject: [RCSE] Ray Hayes Ray, private mail to you is bouncing back. Please send me an e-mail with a valid one. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] assisted soaring,etc
I have thought about that, maybe with Slim Withman recordings? - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; soaring@airage.com Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 1:56 PM Subject: Re: [RCSE] assisted soaring,etc In a message dated 1/24/2006 8:46:39 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: No rule against "jamming" them either. :-)Unless maybe if they are on a HAM band.Steve MeyerSOAR, LSF IV That sounds great. What next? How about just using a synth module and "jam" the channel. It would bring them down quicker than waiting for them to fly into sink. That would really narrow the field , and make it easier foryou to win! Good thinking. BG Bill GrenobleLSF 7558 IVHawksnest SoaringShermans Dale, PA
[RCSE] NiCads NiMH battery supplier
Where do you recommend buying Nicads and NiMH cells and packs these days? TIA, Norm PBSS
[RCSE] Floating Dog
http://www.hedonistica.com/media.php?path=/videos/floatingdog.wmv Jim Downers Grove, IL Member of the Chicago SOAR club, and Team JR AMA 592537LSF 7560 Level IV R/C Soaring blog at www.jimbacus.net RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Floating Dog
That was good - Original Message - From: James V. Bacus [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: soaring@airage.com Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 7:27 PM Subject: [RCSE] Floating Dog http://www.hedonistica.com/media.php?path=/videos/floatingdog.wmv Jim Downers Grove, IL Member of the Chicago SOAR club, and Team JR AMA 592537LSF 7560 Level IV R/C Soaring blog at www.jimbacus.net RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] NiCads NiMH battery supplier
I have been very pleased with the prices, product and service at No BS Batteries: http://www.hangtimes.com WEM Norman E. Timbs, Jr. wrote: Where do you recommend buying Nicads and NiMH cells and packs these days? RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Floating Dog
Lets get this dog a piccolario so he can sniff out the lift! Peter - Original Message - From: James V. Bacus [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: soaring@airage.com Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 9:27 PM Subject: [RCSE] Floating Dog http://www.hedonistica.com/media.php?path=/videos/floatingdog.wmv Jim Downers Grove, IL Member of the Chicago SOAR club, and Team JR AMA 592537LSF 7560 Level IV R/C Soaring blog at www.jimbacus.net RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.21/236 - Release Date: 1/20/2006 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] NiCads NiMH battery supplier
Norm, I've been getting mine from Radical RC.com George At 07:04 PM 1/24/2006 -0800, Bill's Email wrote: I have been very pleased with the prices, product and service at No BS Batteries: http://www.hangtimes.com WEM Norman E. Timbs, Jr. wrote: Where do you recommend buying Nicads and NiMH cells and packs these days? RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Floating Dog
In a message dated 1/24/2006 9:57:26 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: That was good And a good thing it wasn't a catahoula that had been eating chocolate chip cookies! Good Lift! RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] For Sale 3 Airtronics radios with many frequency modules
For Sale 3 Airtronics radios with many frequency modules 1 ATRCS/ Vision Transmitter w/ battery 2 Module Transmitters w/battery 6 Transmitter modules (channels 14,16,24,26,34, 35? Not sure) 4 Receiver crystals (channels14,16,34,35) 1 Protective case for Transmitter check out the details http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=6032012414rd=1sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AITrd=1 jj __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
