[RCSE] Spring Fling 2006
OK boys and girls! This is a reminder that Sacramento Valley Soaring Society's 15th annual Spring Fling is just two weeks away!! Start packin' A couple of updates follow. A list of nearby motels has been added to the SVSS web site. Click on Spring Fling, then on Lodging. It's a good idea to make your reservations now even if you're not absolutely sure that you're going. At least you'll have a foot in the door, so to speak. Be sure to check for open frequencies and get your sign up forms mailed in. It's first come, first served on channel selection. We're not doing T-shirts this year. Just too many irons in the fire!! If you've already ordered and paid, you'll get a refund.. Lastly, no entries will be accepted after May 17th. We need time to set up the flight order. Right now, there's plenty of time to get you entry form mailed in. Please don't wait till the last minute. We don't want to turn anyone down. We're looking forward to seeing ya in 2 weeks for one of the best 2-day contest in the free world. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Soaring Pictures Please
A little help please? Norman Weiler is an older member of GLASS (Greater Lansing area Soaring Society) here in Michigan. Read bellow for his request. Remember some day you and I will be in the same spot! Thermals fade away but friendships and picture's last forever! Thank you in advance Harry -Original Message-From: WEILER NORMAN weilerO [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2006 7:53 AMTo: Harry DeBoerSubject: RE: Norm Weiler GLASS What ever it takes to get pictures. All I can say is thank you. Norm WeilerHarry DeBoer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Norman, I will pass this e-mail on to as many people as I can and we will get you over flowing with pictures! Do you mind if I share your e-mail with the guy's on RCSE? -Original Message-From: WEILER NORMAN weilerO [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2006 7:18 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Norm Weiler GLASS looking for old and new pictures of old and new contest flyers . Do you have any that you would be willing to share. Maybe you would know someone that would. Over the years I have met some wonderful people at your contest. Now that my eyes have gone south The computer is about all I have going. I have been trying to put these pictures on a cd.It's nice to look back at the years past. Everyone that I have shown them too seem to be impressed. If they could be sent e-mail. Good, but if they come reg. mail , I will copy them , and return them as soon as posible. Norman Weiler 1908 Pleasant View Lansing , Mi 48910 E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] .net
[RCSE] For Sale Spread Spectrum
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[RCSE] F3B
OK Now that most of the smoke has cleared, where can we find more out about F3B; 1. what are the task? 2. what equipment is needed?(suppliers) 3. how do you get started? 4. what airplanes qualify? 5. about how much dose it cost to compete? 6. on average how many people do you need to run a contest? seriously would like to know Harry
Re: [RCSE] F3B
A quick Google search brought up 462,000 hits in 0.62 seconds. That ought to get you started!! Here's a good start: http://www.fai.org/aeromodelling/rcsoaring/ Harry DeBoer wrote: OK Now that most of the smoke has cleared, where can we find more out about F3B; 1. what are the task? 2. what equipment is needed?(suppliers) 3. how do you get started? 4. what airplanes qualify? 5. about how much dose it cost to compete? 6. on average how many people do you need to run a contest? seriously would like to know Harry RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Genie pages
I just discovered that if you do a Google search for Harley's Genie (with the quotes), the first reference to appear will take you directly into the main website that has full details on the Genie line of scratch-buildable competition sailplanes. Without the quotes, it is also the first reference to appear and numerous other sites are given. The line includes the 145-1/2 span big Genie, the 130 span Icon-sized Genie Pro and the 10' span Genie LT/S, the light and smaller version. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] F3B
You can start here: http://www.silentflight.org/F3B/F3B2005.html Tom Kallevang Wheeling, IL LSF President Webmaster LSF #303 Level V #103 AMA L292 SOAR (Chicago) __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] F3B
go here for an explanation of the tasks - http://www.silentflight.org/F3B/F3BTasks.html There are lots of ways to get involved in F3B. The best is finding a group of guys in your area that are interested in learning and flying. It's very much a team sport. The initial investment can be a bit high if you try to purchase all the necessary equipment on your own. 2-3 winches - 2-3 models etc... If you find some guy to team up with, you all can share in the winch and line expenses once you have a winch... it'll pretty much last forever... figure 1K for a new winch. (I typically only have 1 flyable F3B model in my quiver at any time) F3B is the Formula 1 of our sport. The challenges the tasks provide will make every pilot a better pilot. It'll give you much better understanding of thermals, their size, optimizing L/D vs sink rate... you'll learn about ballast, how it really works, and how to use it... you might even learn to fly a straight line... something even some of the best contest TD pilots struggle with... You don't need an f3B model. You can begin to learn the tasks with a good strong TD model... just make sure you have ballast capability. The Pike Inferior to name one. I saw Darrell Zaballos crank out multiple 17's with his J Icon. (I went 28 laps with my Psyko - a molded 7035 TD toy - one year at the NATS pounding everyone in my group) You don't need elaborate sighting devices. 2 tripods with a hoop on top will suffice, and a way to measure 150 meters. You don't need alaborate signalling devices. A walkie talkie with a beeper will suffice for speed practice. What I enjoy about F3B is that is contested/flown/and won in the air... it's not about what happens after the model hits the ground. F3B is the ultimate challenge for a RC soaring pilot and glider. You must be competent at all the disciplines - from reading air, to flying fast, to slowing the model down and thermalling... Give it a shot - you'll be glad ya did... D __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] RE:Soaring Pictures Please
Is that with or with out nuts? Dr. Danny Williams D.C. Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body; but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming, Wow! What a Ride! From: Harry DeBoer Subject: Soaring Pictures Please This is a multi-part message in MIME format. A little help please? Norman Weiler is an older member of GLASS (Greater Lansing area Soaring Society) here in Michigan. Read bellow for his request. Remember some day you and I will be in the same spot! Thermals fade away but friendships and picture's last forever! Thank you in advance Harry RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] F3B
Ok here's the skinny. Harry DeBoer wrote: OK Now that most of the smoke has cleared, where can we find more out about F3B; 1. what are the task? F3B is a multi task event. 3 Tasks Distance, speed, duration. You are all familiar with duration except... there is only 1 task (10 minutes no variations). You can launch multiple times too since you are given a working time window. So if the air is really bad and it stinks so bad that you feel relaunching will get you more time go for it. Also landing is 5 points per meter and no skegs , mass launch or wait if you want. You are flying MOM Distance: you launch against other pilots. you must ask for permission to launch... your working time is 7 minutes and the on course time is 4 minutes. In that 4 minutes you have to do as many laps as possible. You don't have a landing task so you can land at the far end of the field if it will get you another lap. You follow good air and go fast in good air, you try to lose as little alt as possible during each lap. If you are getting beat by someone with better air you can relaunch as long as you have enough working time left to get more laps than you have. Once working time ends so does your count. so if you had 2 minutes left of 4 and the 7 ran out you only were on course for 2 minutes... but that might be better than a total of 4 if the air was reallly good. When there is good air this is the most fun part of F3B... its a horse race... its a strategy when the air is iffy. You are flying MOM Speed:Speed is considered the luck factor. You don't fly MOM only 1 pilot at a time... so the air can change drastically from beginning to end. You have a 2 minute working time and must do 4 legs ... you enter the course from BASE A fly to base B back to A , back to B then cross the finish line at A as fast as you can. ballast is necessary to carry speed and not lose altitude. 2. what equipment is needed?(suppliers) For F3B winches are needed and a good plane. To start with you don't need an F3B winch... you can practice with a TD setup. Same for the plane, as you learn you will need to consider a change. F3B uses mono to launch and a brake that prevents unspooling of the drum. This lockup of the drum allows the line to build tension... This is where launches that exceed Ford long shafts are possible. The energy in the mono is spectacular. With a TD brake there is no lockup so the line will unspool... this isn't allowed in F3B. Also power in an F3B winch is reduced by meeting a certain resistance. Ballast, mono, a plane capable of ballasting. A plane capable of extreme launches... If you already have an F3J ship you will be able to start. If you don't have a spar don't use mono. You will need 2 watches too... And a tripod 3. how do you get started? Find someone to do it with you. Why first it is a team event. Second it makes it easier to learn. One can call turns and tell you when you aren't flying straight (to the course).Of course if you have someone who already knows it will be easier. If you are interested after reading all this send me an email and I will give you my phone to help you thru some of the basics. 4. what airplanes qualify? The planes are usually F3B planes for strength and speed. But if you have an F3J plane you probably can start right away, you might not be fast but you will be capable.Again you need a spar if you fly mono. If you are just trying it on braided line any plane will teach you the basics... 5. about how much dose it cost to compete? As a team you buy line for the event. So in the area of 25 - 40 / spool depending on where you get the line and what line you get. I use new line during contests and turn it into practice line after. If it breaks it's repairable for practice but at a contest you don't usually have time to repair it. 6. on average how many people do you need to run a contest? That depends, you need 2 at least per team... but let me tell you 2 is tough (I know I did it at the last TS and won't do that again)... 4 is right, the TS will have 6 man teams you can hold a contest with a few 3 man teams if you want... so at minimum probably 12 pilots... for a decent contest. Getting together with people who already know how will remove alot of the learning curve. Give it a try... if you have a contest with beginners by all means use TD winches to get them flying... just separate the mono and braided... braided line saws thru mono real quick. I hope some of the other F3B'ers will throw stuff out there. seriously would like to know Harry -- Jeff Steifel RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text
Re: [RCSE] F3B
hi, looks like your getting info on the tasks. there's a miss understanding that you need alot of people to fly f3b. yes, to run a contest maybe, but if you want to just learn and looking for a new challenge you can do it by your self, but two's best. me and my girl friend do it all the time, i better re-phrase that. :-) i have a horn mounted in my winch trailer, we run a wire off a spool (which as a button to activate the horn) out to the correct distanceto base B. we both have a sighting device. i drop into the course at my end and hit the stop watch on my TX, she hits the button and sounds the horn when i cross Base B. Works great with just two people. (but still dreaming of that three some) :-) i fly by myself all the time and needed something to challenge me. f3b was just the ticket. I got in 384 speed runs last year in just a few months along with the doing the Distance Task, and had a blast and learned a ton. did it all with a X-21 sailplane, and just a few rolls of mono. i was pretty pumped after my first 16 second speedrun with the X-21 and running 29 laps in distance witha Tragi 701. sorta my Level 4. after running the Speed course for awhile with someone at base B. i did alot of Speed practice runs with no one at base B. there's still alot to work onyou can do buy your self. i can still cut Base B closer then my own Base. no, you don't have to change rolls aftera few flights for (practice). I get100 to 150 launches from a roll. There are so many variables in Distance, would be a blast if i would of had some other other pilots to fly it with. you can do this with most any of these planes now a days. if you ever want to try it Harry, come on down, i havetwo f3b winchs, tons of mono, and a girl at Base B for you. or call if you want more info. Dave Hauchwww.git-r-built.com - Original Message - From: Harry DeBoer To: Soaring Sent: Friday, May 05, 2006 10:29 AM Subject: [RCSE] F3B OK Now that most of the smoke has cleared, where can we find more out about F3B; 1. what are the task? 2. what equipment is needed?(suppliers) 3. how do you get started? 4. what airplanes qualify? 5. about how much dose it cost to compete? 6. on average how many people do you need to run a contest? seriously would like to know Harry
Re: [RCSE] F3B
The Seattle Area Soaring Society put on a low-key multi-task event in 2005 which lasted over several months, with primary participation taking place during the club's established Wednesday evening fun-flys. With duration, speed, distance, and landing tasks, this served as a gentle introduction to F3B flying. For several club members, this was the first time they'd ever flown their gliders in a speed task, or attempted to see how far they could travel over a closed course. The involvement of the younger club members was quite gratifying. The club voted to run the Masters of Soaring event again in 2006, and set aside money to purchase awards. This year the course is the same length as the FAI course (150m). Additionally, the event now allows RC-HLG, and a shorter 50m course was laid out for speed and distance tasks for that class. Several photos from the 2005 event, along with the initial rules, were published in the January 2006 issue of RC Soaring Digest http://www.rcsoaringdigest.com/pdfs/RCSD-2006/RCSD-2006-01.pdf. Your club may want to try something similar. It allows pilots to fly outside of the standard AMA TD environment, parallels many of the LSF tasks, and is both challenging to entrants and exciting for observers. Further information can be obtained by contacting us at [EMAIL PROTECTED] or by sending a note to the RCSD e-mail address [EMAIL PROTECTED]. -- Bill Bunny Kuhlman P.O. Box 975 Olalla, WA 98359-0975 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] F3B
Jeff writes: Speed:Speed is considered the luck factor. You don't fly MOM WRONG This is a common misconception amongst many pilots. I will say one thing... the fastest pilot on the field will win. You have 4 minutes of working time to optimize your slot. Sometimes you get sink.. sometimes you get lift... sometimes nothing... but he who optimizes every aspects of all his speed slots will win. 50 ft of launch altitude equates to about 1 second (given the same AUW). You'd better not be giving anything up on launch. You'll have to read the model in every phase of the flight- during launch - during the ping - after the ping - as you're coming back to enter... you'll have to know if it's a 15 second launch, 16/17/22 Don't try to go 15 off a 17 second launch - you'll go 22. You need to read the launch... Is the launch a keeper? Is the air going to get better or worse? Should I relaunch? You've got time for 3, maybe 4 if you're good. I can stand back from the line, watch the launches... and tell how fast people are gonna go... I've made comments like - 17 second launch... but Steiffel will go 19... ;-) I'm always on the money...I've seen guys go 17 in 15 second air ... and come back thinking they just rocked the world actually... they just gave everyone back 100 points... My point is... those who don't understand the speed task (or those who aren't fast) minimize its value and significance. When I was competitive, why did I go fast? Cuz I flew in the best air available in my slot... I outlaunched the field on average... and I flew the shortest smoothest course of anyone at the comp. He who is the fastest will win at F3B, provided he doesn't screw up anywhere else. You lose an F3B comp in distance and duration. You can't win it here, cuz you only fly against a few pilots every round... and there will be multiple 1,000's. You win an F3B comp in Speed. It's the only place you can make up points on the whole field. Daryl - speedy - Perkins __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] F3B- For Sale- F3B models and F3b winches
Well said Daryl. I just wanted to add to the hardware part of the sport...There are alot of used winches and Models laying around from FAI pilots that are great buys and are ultra competitive products for F3B especailly to the new to F3b pilot as well as the somewhat seasoned TD pilot . I have several near perfect or new in box F3b models for sale prices. Models: Calypso Cobra ( mh-32) $850 new in box Molded Eagle (rg-15)$650 n.i.b. Tragi 700 (rg-15)$800. n.i.b. Tragi 701 ( mh-32) $850 brand new flown less than 10 times! Tragi 702 (rg-15A) $850 in perfect condition, and flown in a couple cycles. Winches: I also have 2 identical F3B winches with pvc clam shells for sale. One was used by the USA team in Isreal.Those winches are 100% ready to go and have been tested/past for resistance. Winches are $490 each or take both for $900. Thanks for the air time, Please reply personally. Richard Burnoski [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Daryl Perkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Harry DeBoer [EMAIL PROTECTED]; soaring@airage.com Sent: Friday, May 05, 2006 10:47 AM Subject: Re: [RCSE] F3B go here for an explanation of the tasks - http://www.silentflight.org/F3B/F3BTasks.html There are lots of ways to get involved in F3B. The best is finding a group of guys in your area that are interested in learning and flying. It's very much a team sport. The initial investment can be a bit high if you try to purchase all the necessary equipment on your own. 2-3 winches - 2-3 models etc... If you find some guy to team up with, you all can share in the winch and line expenses once you have a winch... it'll pretty much last forever... figure 1K for a new winch. (I typically only have 1 flyable F3B model in my quiver at any time) F3B is the Formula 1 of our sport. The challenges the tasks provide will make every pilot a better pilot. It'll give you much better understanding of thermals, their size, optimizing L/D vs sink rate... you'll learn about ballast, how it really works, and how to use it... you might even learn to fly a straight line... something even some of the best contest TD pilots struggle with... You don't need an f3B model. You can begin to learn the tasks with a good strong TD model... just make sure you have ballast capability. The Pike Inferior to name one. I saw Darrell Zaballos crank out multiple 17's with his J Icon. (I went 28 laps with my Psyko - a molded 7035 TD toy - one year at the NATS pounding everyone in my group) You don't need elaborate sighting devices. 2 tripods with a hoop on top will suffice, and a way to measure 150 meters. You don't need alaborate signalling devices. A walkie talkie with a beeper will suffice for speed practice. What I enjoy about F3B is that is contested/flown/and won in the air... it's not about what happens after the model hits the ground. F3B is the ultimate challenge for a RC soaring pilot and glider. You must be competent at all the disciplines - from reading air, to flying fast, to slowing the model down and thermalling... Give it a shot - you'll be glad ya did... D __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] F3B
Hey I resemble that... :-P But get the spelling right I've heard that people take dollars from you so not always Daryl Perkins wrote: Jeff writes: I've made comments like - 17 second launch... but Steiffel will go 19... ;-) I'm always on the money... -- Jeff Steifel RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] About 2 hours to winch time....that's Iowa winch time:-)
Finished work early at Arlington Race Track today, so got on the road about 10:30am. Called Terry and he's got a winch handy for some soaring today. Took a break at a Bennigan's in Rock Falls..but will be hitting again up hyw 88 west. See you guys on the field tomorrow! Weather says light winds and 70's. Gordy
RE: [RCSE] F3B
Thanx to everyone who responded, Dave H. let's get together soon so you can show me what this is all about. Is there a location between us that would work? I may never compete at F3B, but at least I'll understand it better. Harry
[RCSE] WMSS Woodcrafters Contest
The WMSS (West Michigan Soaring Society) is proud to announce the 1st Annual WMSS Woodcrafters Contest. The GLASS club was not able to carry on the tradition started so we picked up the ball. We have adopted the relaxed flying style promoted by Ray Hayes that woodcrafters enjoy. This is for anyone that enjoys building and flying balsa wood planes. Fly with your friends and new acquaintances in a relaxed setting. Start flying when you want to. No call up, no pressure. Lots of flying and fun with folks that love the smell of balsa wood and glue. Fiberglass fuses allowed, No molded D-tube construction (AKA AVA). June 24 and 25, 2006 - Sparta MI, north of Grand Rapids. Three ways to compete: Longest Flight CU-MAX: 3 FOR 15 Ladder Event One frequency per entry so hurry up and get registered online at: http://www.rcsoaring.org/contests/RC_Soaring_contest_Woodcrafters.asp Thanks for the bandwidth, we hope to see you there. Dennis Hoyle WMSS www.rcsoaring.org
Re: [RCSE] WMSS Woodcrafters Contest
Here is an approach to promoting F3B events... even if your not interested in wood, you might enjoy reading about Skip Miller's younger days in F3B. http://www.skybench.com/nostalgia/articles/rayf3b.html Ray Hayes http://www.skybench.com Home of Wood Crafters - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: soaring@airage.com Sent: Friday, May 05, 2006 3:41 PM Subject: [RCSE] WMSS Woodcrafters Contest The WMSS (West Michigan Soaring Society) is proud to announce the 1st Annual WMSS Woodcrafters Contest. The GLASS club was not able to carry on the tradition started so we picked up the ball. We have adopted the relaxed flying style promoted by Ray Hayes that woodcrafters enjoy. This is for anyone that enjoys building and flying balsa wood planes. Fly with your friends and new acquaintances in a relaxed setting. Start flying when you want to. No call up, no pressure. Lots of flying and fun with folks that love the smell of balsa wood and glue. Fiberglass fuses allowed, No molded D-tube construction (AKA AVA). June 24 and 25, 2006 - Sparta MI, north of Grand Rapids. Three ways to compete: Longest Flight CU-MAX: 3 FOR 15 Ladder Event One frequency per entry so hurry up and get registered online at: http://www.rcsoaring.org/contests/RC_Soaring_contest_Woodcrafters.asp Thanks for the bandwidth, we hope to see you there. Dennis Hoyle WMSS www.rcsoaring.org RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
