[RCSE] Spread Spectrum
I believe this will be the norm in the next few years. It will take a while for everyone to make the transition. I'm still concerned about the range, so I'll wait for some of you to put a $1500 moldy a half a mile down range and see if it still works. Is it the spread spectrum that makes it so exciting? I don't get it!!! Futaba has some big stuff coming as well. The information is being held very tightly, so I suspect it will be good. I'm also confused as to the excitement level on this radio that has limited sailplane capability (actually none), when the Futaba 12MZ will do virtually anything a sailplane pilot will need. The 14MZ definitely will. Yeah they are more expensive but you won't need to upgrade every couple of years. Also these systems are extremely easy to program. I have no specific knowledge but think Spread Spectrum will be coming to these systems before long. Now that is something to get excited about Darwin N. Barrie Chandler AZ
[RCSE] Final Glide - NTSB Report on Mark Navarre
For those or you that knew Mark, this is the final report from the NTSB on the accident. LAX05LA224 HISTORY OF FLIGHT On July 3, 2005, about 1514 Pacific daylight time, a Schleicher ASW-20 glider, N31AP, collided with mountainous terrain in the Inyo National Park, about 15 nautical miles south-southwest of Big Pine, California, at 11,600 feet mean sea level (msl). The private pilot, also the registered owner of the glider, was operating it under the provisions of 14 CFR Part 91. The pilot sustained fatal injuries; the glider was destroyed. Visual meteorological conditions prevailed, and no flight plan had been filed. The pilot departed from the California City Airport, California City, California, about 1215, in a flight of six gliders, and planned to return that evening. In a written statement, a glider pilot flying in the group of six reported that he was the first to launch at 1200 and the accident pilot was the third to launch, about 1215. Prior to launch, it was determined that the first intended turn point would be Mount Whitney. The pilot reached Mount Whitney about 1420, and decided that the next turn point would be Coyote Flats. The pilot further stated that the lift was less than expected, so he reversed course about 6 miles south of Coyote Flats. At 1508, he was about 11,000 feet msl flying southbound, when the accident pilot passed him going northbound at 12,000 feet msl. They acknowledged each other and the pilot reported that the accident pilot sounded normal. The pilot surmised that this point was a few miles from the accident site and a few minutes prior to the accident. After 20 minutes had passed, the pilot expected to hear the accident pilot transmit a radio call so he attempted to contact him via radio. The pilot did not respond. Repeated contact attempts were made by other pilots but there was no response. When the last glider pilot returned to California City about 1830, the glider pilot group began a search effort for the accident pilot. After the initial searches were unsuccessful, the Inyo County Search and Rescue personnel were notified. On July 4th, at 1115, the wreckage was located in the mountainous terrain by the Inyo County Search and Rescue personnel. PILOT INFORMATION Records obtained from the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) showed that the pilot held a private pilot certificate for single engine land airplanes and gliders. The pilot's most recent third-class medical was issued in March 1994. The pilot's family provided a copy of the pilot's flight time logbook. Based on this logbook and interviews with friends of the pilot, his total flight time was approximately 732 hours. The pilot had flown about 30 hours in the last 90 days, 23 hours in the last 60 days, and 13 hours in the month preceding the accident. GLIDER INFORMATION The experimental Schleicher ASW-20 glider was in the exhibition and racing category, and the last condition inspection was completed June 14, 2005, at a total airframe time of 1,201.1 hours. The glider was manufactured in 1980. WRECKAGE AND IMPACT Inyo County search and rescue personnel responded to the accident site, which was located on a drainage chute of Striper Mountain in the Sierra Nevada mountain range, at an elevation of 11,600 feet msl. The crest of the mountains in the vicinity of the accident site rose between 12,300 and 12,500 feet msl. The Inyo County sheriff reported that the entire glider structure was located at the accident site. The wreckage was confined to the impact area and the nose and cockpit area of the structure were opened up and fragmented upon impact. During the initial recovery efforts, the glider wreckage slid from its original impact point and was displaced 1,000 feet below onto a glacier. Photos obtained from the initial responders showed that the glider impacted a steep rock face. The empennage section of the glider was folded over remnants of the cockpit structure. The wings remained in their respective positions but their leading edges were fragmented. Various instruments were strewn about the rock face. METEOROLOGICAL INFORMATION A glider pilot flying in the area of the accident site reported that the weather conditions included clear skies with a few scattered cumulous clouds. There were no winds aloft and there was a slight amount of turbulence associated with the thermals, which were not uncharacteristic for the flight environment. There were no abnormal weather conditions. The closest official aviation weather reporting station was Bishop, California. An aviation routine weather report was issued at 1556, and contained the following information: skies clear; visibility, 10 miles; temperature, 100 degrees Fahrenheit; dew point, -8 degrees Fahrenheit; altimeter, 29.91 inches of Mercury; wind, variable at 5 knots. MEDICAL AND PATHOLOGICAL INFORMATION The Inyo County Coroner completed an autopsy. The Federal Aviatio
[RCSE] FS: Gliders
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[RCSE] FS One Simulator
Anyone out there try out the FS One flight simulator? It includes Aerotow, Winch, High Start, Slope, and Dynamic Soaring. If you were wondering about the aerodynamics and modeling behind the simulator, it's what Michael Selig has been working on for the past few years. Really cool part is the modeling of the crash damage. It's a blast trying to see what crashes look like inside some of the buildings or hitting the garbage cans sitting on the gym floor. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] DX7 range
You're dealing with two receivers for redundancy. The AR7000 is actually split into two boards with about a 6 inch connection between them so the two RX can get "different" RF environments. I guess you could throw one in the fuse and one in the wing on a sailplane. I don't know if you can extend the connection between the two boards. For those who want to RTFM http://www.horizonhobby.com/ProdInfo/Files/SPM2710_DX7_Manual.pdf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK, the web site says "Limits of Vision". Sounds sufficient but I have to ask: How much signal power does it put out? Or, is it just "used car salesman" talk. Bill Swingle Janesville, CA I have to question this too, because 2.4ghz is limited in power output and it doesn't travel (propagate) well. I know people are having good results with these radios and I wouldn't hesitate to use one on any small airplane that would be within 1000ft. I have personal experience with video feeds on both 2.4ghz and 1.2ghz. and 1.2 has much better range, but both freqs. will not go through trees, so if you fly behind a tree and the radio doesn't have "last frame hold" you could completely go out of control. real world use will decide if this is an issue or not, but the bottom line is that high frequencies at low power have poor range and there is a lot of stuff on 2.4ghz to screw up your signal when the primary signal is lost. I would really like to see spread spectrum on 72mhz. but it probably isn't a high enough frequency to work at a high resolution All of that being said, if they made a module for my 9C, I would buy it in a heart beat... Mark Mech www.aerofoam.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format . RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Full Range Spread Spektrum, the DX7
The 6102 really can't handle more than one flap very nicely. The 7202 program and DX7 is a lot nicer than the 6102 and far superior to the DX6. Still, there is nothing like the 9303 for sailplanes For those who like toys for the bad weather, check out the Blade CX2. It has Spread Spectrum RX instead of the old 4-in-1 unit. If you really want to deal in speculation, check out http://www.vit.or.jp/~tomo/gami/tokyohobby2006/tokyohobby2006.html for your picture of the JR 12X which looks simlar to the 10X case with the 9303 display and cricket for the user interface. And the display has 3in1 12ch inbetween the japanese text. Rick Eckel wrote: Geez. You gotta learn to relax a little bit. This radio isn't advertised as a sailplane radio. Notice that it says its for helicopters and airplanes. Its a mistake to read too much into that. If you look at the JR line of radios you will clearly see that they know the difference between airplanes and sailplanes. Wait for the sailplane version and I think you will find it more to your liking. Of course you could by this on and live with a few limitations if you wanted to. I know a number of guys who 'saved money' by buying the 6102 to fly their sailplanes. Now they want to know how to make it do all those sailplane things. I am heartened that their descriptions of its range capability includes unlimited sailplanes but I wouldn't take that to mean that this particular radio is targeted at that audience. I would take it to mean that they can release a sailplane version at some point. I'd be real surprised if an equivalent to the 9303 isn't in the works. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Full Range Spread Spektrum, the DX7
The DX7 manual is virtually identical to the JR XP7202 which by the way has the synthesizer programmed via the menu, not switches like on the modules. I put togther a 6 servo program on the 7202 for sailplanes. This gives you the following mixes/presets Aileron to Rudder Aileron to Flap Coupling Elevator to Camber, full span Two Camber Presets (Launch and Reflex if you have a TD ship) With a 7 channel RX, you can do the following. Channels on a 7 channel JR RX Thro - Left Flap Aile - Right Aileron Elev - Elevator Rudd - Rudder Aux1 - Left Aileron Aux2 - Right Flap Setup Wing Type - Flaperons, V-tail as required Switches, Aux2 [Inhibit], Aux2 Trim [Inhibit] Flap [System], Flap Trim [Inhibit] Left 3-position switch will be down for launch, up for reflex Programmable Mixers Aile - Rudder +10, +10 (Only one aileron to rudder mix is available, but you could turn it off) Elev-Flap Mix +20, +20 (This is elevator to camber for the ailerons) Mix1 Elev - Throttle, +20 +20 (This is for elevator to camber for the flaps) Mix2 Aileron - Aux2 +50, +50 (Part of Aileron to Flap mix) Mix3 Aileron - Thro +25, +25 (Part of Aileron to Flap mix) Note that the numbers are different for aileron to aux2 and aileron to throttle because the Aileron to throttle changes both flaps so Mix2 must negate that. That is why the value of Mix2 is double Mix3 Mix4 Flap - Throttle +70, +70 (This is lap system preset mix into the flaps, Use Flap System meny for preset settings for the ailerons) Mix5 Thro - Elevator 0, -30, 100 Offset (This is your elevator compensation for landing) Mix 6 Thro - Aux2 -100, -100 (This is to get second flap mixed in. Note -100 values) Flap System, Use Up Flap value for Reflex and Down Flap value for Launch. You can also use elevator presets in there if you need a little elevator offset for launch or reflex. (Or you can use reflex and camber if you don't need launch like on the slope) What is missing is from the program that you normally have in a sailplane program: Multiple aileron to rudder mix settings. Change differential in launch or other flight modes Changing aileron position when landing for crow/butterfly You could probably trade off crow mixing of ailerons with aileron to flap mixing if you wanted. tony estep wrote: Jim, I'm reading the Spektrum manual and I don't see any wing type for 4-servo wings with separate flaps and ailerons. I'm probably missing some obvious work-around, but on first glance it doesn't look as if they gave the sailplane boys much of a thought when they designed the programming. - Original Message I am all over this, full range spread spectrum just announced today... the day is getting close when we will never bother with frequency pins again. ;-) Check out the new DX7 http://www.spektrumrc.com/ RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Own a Multiplex Radio?
At 07:23 PM 10/19/2006, you wrote: Jim, I am also a Hitec/Multiplex dealer, and I have good pricing and service :-) George And the best charger for Multiplex transmitters. I have two, one for my van and one for the shop as well as a Super Test Pro for cycling the batteries. Chuck Anderson RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Own a Multiplex Radio?
Jim, I am also a Hitec/Multiplex dealer, and I have good pricing and service :-) George At 03:28 PM 10/19/2006 -0500, Jim Deck wrote: Any Multiplex radio owners, take note. Hobby Horse in Madison, Wisconsin can supply your needs - even stuff for the Cockpit radios. And they do it fast!! HiTec/Multiplex referred me to them. Jim Deck Jim Deck RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] FS-War Eagle RES **REDUCED**
War Eagle RES--120" span--S3021 airfoil--1000sq."Super strong builtup wing and glass fuse.Includes HS 85s on the Vs and S33s on the spoilersHas some patches on the monocote and normal wear and tear of 3 years of contest flying.$325.00 plus shippingPictures at http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=584950Thanks for looking.Edg
[RCSE] Lithium Ion batteries
FWIW, I haven't seen many people discuss it, but I have been using Li-ion batteries for a while. I flew the entire two day contest at the Fall round up, on a single charge. I use Fromeco 2400 two cell batteries, and I checked the voltage periodically and I had plenty to spare. I could have flown for another two hours I estimate. Again, this is in a 3 servo Ava so not too much draw there. I use a MPI 6v regulator to step down the volts, and so far so good. I am building a Supra now, and It is quite an investment, so i'm thinking of running dual batteries in it. I was flying giant scale and running dual rx batteries is almost standard over 30 percent airplanes, and with the sizes available, redundancy kinda makes sense. Anyone else doing this or thinking of it? Chip RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] DX7 range
No to be a pessimist but did you see a mention of any power draw on the Receiver? May need to go to LiPo receiver batteries. Steve At 02:24 PM 10/19/2006, Bill Swingle wrote: Excellent observation. How many of us have flow behind an obstruction? Intentionally or not it happens! Wow, this puts it into perspective for me. Bill Swingle Janesville, CA RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] Own a Multiplex Radio?
Good to hear that you guys got good service at Hobby Horse. My first (and only) order to them was not good. At the time I called they said all orders over $100 received free shipping. So Iasked for 4 Hitec 85mg's over the phone and placed my order. But when the order arrived it only contained 2 servos.I called and they said the ran out and the other 2 were on back order and would be sent when they arrived. But then they charged me shipping on BOTH orders because when they split the order neither one totaled over $100. Since I was made to pay for shipping TWICE for an order that should have been free I resolved to never order from them again. There are other vendors that have the same products at same (or better) prices. My LHS or ServoCity gets my money now... Just my 2 cents. Blue skies, Capn Crunchie Get your own web address for just $1.99/1st yr. We'll help. Yahoo! Small Business.
RE: [RCSE] Own a Multiplex Radio?
I agree Hobby Horse are fast and good people to deal with on the phone as well. They also carry TX crystals. Definitely a GOOD VENDOR! Tom Moore -Original Message- From: Jim Deck [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 1:29 PM To: RCSE Subject: [RCSE] Own a Multiplex Radio? Any Multiplex radio owners, take note. Hobby Horse in Madison, Wisconsin can supply your needs - even stuff for the Cockpit radios. And they do it fast!! HiTec/Multiplex referred me to them. Jim Deck Jim Deck RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Full Range Spread Spektrum, the DX7
Have you noticed that all the Holiday Inn experts on those forums have shut since he demonstrated them at a recent event. Chuck Anderson At 03:38 PM 10/19/2006, you wrote: Yep. He is all over several forums. He maintains that his system is the be all, end all of SS. As of today the only public demonstration has been in a foamy and a 29% Giles (electric). He makes some fascinating claims but as of yet has not provided any real proof beyond his own unverified claims. Jack Dubich wrote: Has anyone seen or heard of Extreme Power Systems. www.extremepowersystems.net RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] Own a Multiplex Radio?
Ditto on the endorsement. HobbyHorse.com carries good inventory in specific lines including Multiplex radios, Hacker motors, and Phoenix controllers. I've bought Multiplex radios, crystals, backup cables, and frequency modules from them and always have had a good experience. Aradhana Singh Khalsa RCBuilder.com -Original Message- From: Jim Deck [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 2:29 PM To: RCSE Subject: [RCSE] Own a Multiplex Radio? Any Multiplex radio owners, take note. Hobby Horse in Madison, Wisconsin can supply your needs - even stuff for the Cockpit radios. And they do it fast!! HiTec/Multiplex referred me to them. Jim Deck Jim Deck RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Full Range Spread Spektrum, the DX7
Yep. He is all over several forums. He maintains that his system is the be all, end all of SS. As of today the only public demonstration has been in a foamy and a 29% Giles (electric). He makes some fascinating claims but as of yet has not provided any real proof beyond his own unverified claims. Jack Dubich wrote: Has anyone seen or heard of Extreme Power Systems. www.extremepowersystems.net RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Own a Multiplex Radio?
Any Multiplex radio owners, take note. Hobby Horse in Madison, Wisconsin can supply your needs - even stuff for the Cockpit radios. And they do it fast!! HiTec/Multiplex referred me to them. Jim Deck Jim Deck RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Full Range Spread Spektrum, the DX7
Has anyone seen or heard of Extreme Power Systems. www.extremepowersystems.net Jack Dubich - Original Message - From: "Brian Chan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "tony estep" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 2:36 PM Subject: Re: [RCSE] Full Range Spread Spektrum, the DX7 At 10:46 AM -0700 10/19/06, tony estep wrote: Jim, I'm reading the Spektrum manual and I don't see any wing type for 4-servo wings with separate flaps and ailerons. I'm probably missing some obvious RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Re: Soaring V1 #8463
The DX7 appears to be based on the newly released JR 7202 which is a midrange airplane/heli radio with no specific sailplane programming. The Hitec Optic 6, in this same class, has much more sailplane programming, by comparison. As far as I can tell, neither would be able to handle a 4 servo wing. So I would not expect the Spectrum DX7 to be able to handle a 4 servo wing or have any sailplane specific programming. Hitec is coming out with a plug in module for the Hitec Prism, Optic 6 and the Eclipse 7. They say they will also qualify it in the Futaba 9C and 9C Super. So I will wait for that to turn my 9C into a 2.4 GHz radio. :-) Best Regards, Ed Anderson RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] DX7 range
At 11:55 AM -0700 10/19/06, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > OK, the web site says "Limits of Vision". Sounds sufficient but I have to ask: How much signal power does it put out? Or, is it just "used car salesman" talk. Bill Swingle > Janesville, CA so if you fly behind a tree and the radio doesn't have "last frame hold" you could completely go out of control. real world use will decide if this is an issue or not, but the bottom line is that high frequencies at low power have poor range and there is a lot of stuff on 2.4ghz to screw up your signal when the primary signal is lost. But just like PCM, even if it holds the last frame of good signal, you need to be sure plane is straight and level. If the last good command was a steep right turn, you will auger into the ground before it fly out of the shadow of the tree or whatever between you and the plane. Brian RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Full Range Spread Spektrum, the DX7
This would be a good RES or slope option though. Imagine a slope race or combat with more than 50 planes in the air!On 10/19/06, Brian Chan < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:At 10:46 AM -0700 10/19/06, tony estep wrote: >Jim, I'm reading the Spektrum manual and I don't see any wing type>for 4-servo wings with separate flaps and ailerons. I'm probably>missing some obvious work-around, but on first glance it doesn't>look as if they gave the sailplane boys much of a thought when they >designed the programming. It is only a lowly 7 ch tx, it would not do a whole heck of a lotover the DX-6. I like my DX-6 for the park flyers and aerialphotographing. I can fly (safer) in any location, without worry getting hit.I was surprised to see they come out with only 7 channels. A beginnerwould buy one but any hard core modeler will think that is a waste ofmoney to get only 7 ch. I would buy it if it has 9 or 10 ch. I am running out of channels even with the Fut 9C.Anyway, if 50 % of the people jump on that, the 72MHz will be muchmore open, thus less interferences.Brian--Brian Chan,An Electric Airplane Junkie @ San Mateo.Ca.USARCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]. Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] DX7 range
Excellent observation. How many of us have flow behind an obstruction? Intentionally or not it happens! Wow, this puts it into perspective for me. Bill Swingle Janesville, CA RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] DX7 range
> OK, the web site says "Limits of Vision". > Sounds sufficient but I have to ask: How much signal power does it put > out? > Or, is it just "used car salesman" talk. > > Bill Swingle > Janesville, CA I have to question this too, because 2.4ghz is limited in power output and it doesn't travel (propagate) well. I know people are having good results with these radios and I wouldn't hesitate to use one on any small airplane that would be within 1000ft. I have personal experience with video feeds on both 2.4ghz and 1.2ghz. and 1.2 has much better range, but both freqs. will not go through trees, so if you fly behind a tree and the radio doesn't have "last frame hold" you could completely go out of control. real world use will decide if this is an issue or not, but the bottom line is that high frequencies at low power have poor range and there is a lot of stuff on 2.4ghz to screw up your signal when the primary signal is lost. I would really like to see spread spectrum on 72mhz. but it probably isn't a high enough frequency to work at a high resolution All of that being said, if they made a module for my 9C, I would buy it in a heart beat... Mark Mech www.aerofoam.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Full Range Spread Spektrum, the DX7
At 10:46 AM -0700 10/19/06, tony estep wrote: Jim, I'm reading the Spektrum manual and I don't see any wing type for 4-servo wings with separate flaps and ailerons. I'm probably missing some obvious work-around, but on first glance it doesn't look as if they gave the sailplane boys much of a thought when they designed the programming. It is only a lowly 7 ch tx, it would not do a whole heck of a lot over the DX-6. I like my DX-6 for the park flyers and aerial photographing. I can fly (safer) in any location, without worry getting hit. I was surprised to see they come out with only 7 channels. A beginner would buy one but any hard core modeler will think that is a waste of money to get only 7 ch. I would buy it if it has 9 or 10 ch. I am running out of channels even with the Fut 9C. Anyway, if 50 % of the people jump on that, the 72MHz will be much more open, thus less interferences. Brian -- Brian Chan, An Electric Airplane Junkie @ San Mateo.Ca.USA RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Full Range Spread Spektrum, the DX7
Geez. You gotta learn to relax a little bit. This radio isn't advertised as a sailplane radio. Notice that it says its for helicopters and airplanes. Its a mistake to read too much into that. If you look at the JR line of radios you will clearly see that they know the difference between airplanes and sailplanes. Wait for the sailplane version and I think you will find it more to your liking. Of course you could by this on and live with a few limitations if you wanted to. I know a number of guys who 'saved money' by buying the 6102 to fly their sailplanes. Now they want to know how to make it do all those sailplane things. I am heartened that their descriptions of its range capability includes unlimited sailplanes but I wouldn't take that to mean that this particular radio is targeted at that audience. I would take it to mean that they can release a sailplane version at some point. I'd be real surprised if an equivalent to the 9303 isn't in the works. Rick At 02:01 PM 10/19/2006, tony estep wrote: Well, as I read it more I begin to see that with some finagling, you could get a lot of functionality. But the JR 10x (and a lot of other transmitters too) allow several flight modes with different settings for camber, coupling, differential etc. I would love to have spread spectrum, but I'd hate to give up any of those little programming wrinkles - Original Message From: tony estep <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: soaring@airage.com Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 12:46:39 PM Subject: Re: [RCSE] Full Range Spread Spektrum, the DX7 Jim, I'm reading the Spektrum manual and I don't see any wing type for 4-servo wings with separate flaps and ailerons. I'm probably missing some obvious work-around, but on first glance it doesn't look as if they gave the sailplane boys much of a thought when they designed the programming. - Original Message From: James V. Bacus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: soaring@airage.com Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 12:17:56 PM Subject: [RCSE] Full Range Spread Spektrum, the DX7 I am all over this, full range spread spectrum just announced today... the day is getting close when we will never bother with frequency pins again. ;-) Check out the new DX7 http://www.spektrumrc.com/ Jim Downers Grove, IL Member of the Chicago SOAR club, and Team JR AMA 592537LSF 7560 Level IV R/C Soaring blog at www.jimbacus.net RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Full Range Spread Spektrum, the DX7
I need to get my hands and play with one, but they have gone from the DX6 to the DX7 in about a season. I have a DX6 and it is pretty cool, but I never used it on a large sailplane model. There is a lot of great progression here from DX6 to DX7 in a short period of time, it's so obvious to me this is the future. At 01:01 PM 10/19/2006, tony estep wrote: Well, as I read it more I begin to see that with some finagling, you could get a lot of functionality. But the JR 10x (and a lot of other transmitters too) allow several flight modes with different settings for camber, coupling, differential etc. I would love to have spread spectrum, but I'd hate to give up any of those little programming wrinkles - Original Message From: tony estep <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: soaring@airage.com Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 12:46:39 PM Subject: Re: [RCSE] Full Range Spread Spektrum, the DX7 Jim, I'm reading the Spektrum manual and I don't see any wing type for 4-servo wings with separate flaps and ailerons. I'm probably missing some obvious work-around, but on first glance it doesn't look as if they gave the sailplane boys much of a thought when they designed the programming. - Original Message From: James V. Bacus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: soaring@airage.com Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 12:17:56 PM Subject: [RCSE] Full Range Spread Spektrum, the DX7 I am all over this, full range spread spectrum just announced today... the day is getting close when we will never bother with frequency pins again. ;-) Check out the new DX7 http://www.spektrumrc.com/ Jim Downers Grove, IL Member of the Chicago SOAR club, and Team JR AMA 592537LSF 7560 Level IV R/C Soaring blog at www.jimbacus.net RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format Jim Downers Grove, IL Member of the Chicago SOAR club, and Team JR AMA 592537LSF 7560 Level IV R/C Soaring blog at www.jimbacus.net RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Full Range Spread Spektrum, the DX7
Well, as I read it more I begin to see that with some finagling, you could get a lot of functionality. But the JR 10x (and a lot of other transmitters too) allow several flight modes with different settings for camber, coupling, differential etc. I would love to have spread spectrum, but I'd hate to give up any of those little programming wrinkles - Original Message From: tony estep <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: soaring@airage.com Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 12:46:39 PM Subject: Re: [RCSE] Full Range Spread Spektrum, the DX7 Jim, I'm reading the Spektrum manual and I don't see any wing type for 4-servo wings with separate flaps and ailerons. I'm probably missing some obvious work-around, but on first glance it doesn't look as if they gave the sailplane boys much of a thought when they designed the programming. - Original Message From: James V. Bacus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: soaring@airage.com Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 12:17:56 PM Subject: [RCSE] Full Range Spread Spektrum, the DX7 I am all over this, full range spread spectrum just announced today... the day is getting close when we will never bother with frequency pins again. ;-) Check out the new DX7 http://www.spektrumrc.com/ Jim Downers Grove, IL Member of the Chicago SOAR club, and Team JR AMA 592537LSF 7560 Level IV R/C Soaring blog at www.jimbacus.net RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Full Range Spread Spektrum, the DX7
Dang, looks real good! But it'll take lots of time to motivate me into spending the money to switch systems. Bill Swingle Janesville, CA >>Don't forget the overnight BASH this weekend at Banos! RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Full Range Spread Spektrum, the DX7
Jim, I'm reading the Spektrum manual and I don't see any wing type for 4-servo wings with separate flaps and ailerons. I'm probably missing some obvious work-around, but on first glance it doesn't look as if they gave the sailplane boys much of a thought when they designed the programming. - Original Message From: James V. Bacus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: soaring@airage.com Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 12:17:56 PM Subject: [RCSE] Full Range Spread Spektrum, the DX7 I am all over this, full range spread spectrum just announced today... the day is getting close when we will never bother with frequency pins again. ;-) Check out the new DX7 http://www.spektrumrc.com/ Jim Downers Grove, IL Member of the Chicago SOAR club, and Team JR AMA 592537LSF 7560 Level IV R/C Soaring blog at www.jimbacus.net RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Full Range Spread Spektrum, the DX7
Very cool! Needs more switches and sliders, tho ;) Don't know if'd be possible, but I'd love to have a plugin 2.4 frequency module for my 8103. Then again, if they made a Spektrum 9303, I'd spring for that. James V. Bacus wrote: I am all over this, full range spread spectrum just announced today... the day is getting close when we will never bother with frequency pins again. ;-) Check out the new DX7 http://www.spektrumrc.com/ Jim Downers Grove, IL Member of the Chicago SOAR club, and Team JR AMA 592537LSF 7560 Level IV R/C Soaring blog at www.jimbacus.net RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format -- ben wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://thelocust.org/ RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Full Range Spread Spektrum, the DX7
I am all over this, full range spread spectrum just announced today... the day is getting close when we will never bother with frequency pins again. ;-) Check out the new DX7 http://www.spektrumrc.com/ Jim Downers Grove, IL Member of the Chicago SOAR club, and Team JR AMA 592537LSF 7560 Level IV R/C Soaring blog at www.jimbacus.net RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Re: Stopwatch Recommendation
What happens when you have to do a time like 6:53? Such as a contest where an add up "total flight time" occurs. Our yearly Turkey shoot because of a "weighted" time formula, target times do not necessarily end up on the whole minute. In the "olden" days, before them new digital phangles, just start with 7 seconds on the analog stop watch and shoot for the 7 minutes mark. Try that on a 30 sec/rev analog stop watch!! Brian RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Re: Stopwatch Recommendation
I don't worry about it. :-) I don't think I have flown more than one or two such contests in the last 20 years. Back in the days when we flew a lot of three-for-15, the final round was the only time we had to worry about odd target times was in the last round. When I had fly an odd target time, I adjusted the 30 second key point and flew a normal pattern without a countdown. In those days, I could normally hit the target time within 2 or 3 seconds without a countdown if I hit the 30 second point. Since then, my landing skills have decreased and the competition is much better so I still don't have to worry about hitting the target time. :-) Chuck Anderson At 10:37 AM 10/19/2006, you wrote: What happens when you have to do a time like 6:53? Such as a contest where an add up "total flight time" occurs. Our yearly Turkey shoot because of a "weighted" time formula, target times do not necessarily end up on the whole minute. Steve Meyer SOAR LSF IV At 05:42 PM 10/17/2006, Chuck Anderson wrote: Glad I don't have a problem finding a stopwatch. I don't fly hand launch and I don't countdown for the landing. Thirty five years ago, we didn't have fancy countdown watches so I learned to land counting up for the last minute. My landing pattern is opposite the touchdown point at 30, turn base at 40, roll out on final at 50, and touch down at 60. I paid $6 for my last stopwatch at Walmart. :-) Chuck Anderson RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] combo meet: Electric/slope
That sounds interesting, especially as the thermal season winds (wound?) down around here. I mentioned this and the Lake Wilson caravan at the DARTS planning meeting last nite, and both at drew got some interest. I think I could make one or two runs up to the lake to fly, especially if I take the Mrs to the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame while there. Keep me in the loop as you pick dates (or feel like the wind's right) to fly. Brent
Re: [RCSE] Re: Stopwatch Recommendation
What happens when you have to do a time like 6:53? Such as a contest where an add up "total flight time" occurs. Our yearly Turkey shoot because of a "weighted" time formula, target times do not necessarily end up on the whole minute. Steve Meyer SOAR LSF IV At 05:42 PM 10/17/2006, Chuck Anderson wrote: Glad I don't have a problem finding a stopwatch. I don't fly hand launch and I don't countdown for the landing. Thirty five years ago, we didn't have fancy countdown watches so I learned to land counting up for the last minute. My landing pattern is opposite the touchdown point at 30, turn base at 40, roll out on final at 50, and touch down at 60. I paid $6 for my last stopwatch at Walmart. :-) Chuck Anderson RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] md80
One day the pilot of a Cherokee 180 was told by the tower to hold short of the runway while a MD80 landed. The MD80 landed, rolled out, turned around, and taxied back past the Cherokee. Some quick- witted comedian in the MD80 crew got on the radio and said, "What a cute, little plane. Did you make it all by yourself?" Our hero, the Cherokee pilot, not about to let the insult go by, came back with: "I made it out of MD80 parts. Another landing like that and I'll have enough parts for another one."
[RCSE] FS: Graphite 2 Sailplane/Electric Combination
Lightening my inventory and already have a Graphite 2 Sailplane/Electric V-tail combination flying... Wing is very strong...possibly even F3J worthy ;) but not too heavy for the Electric version. == Graphite 2 (molded, glass, X-tail) Sailplane/Electric Combination Set == NEW IN BOX - NEW IN BOX - NEW IN BOX Pictures at http://www.rcsoaring.com/forsale One Graphite 2 molded sailplane (glass, molded, cross-tail) with an additional complete electric fuselage. 1 Graphite 2 Cross-Tail Fuselage w/built-in carbon pushrods 1 Graphite 2 carbon ballast structure 1 Graphite 2 nose cone 1 Graphite 2 set of stabs 1 Graphite 2-E Cross-Tail Fuselage 1 Graphite 2-E nose cone 1 Graphite 2-E set of stabs 1 Wing set w/carbon joiners Hardware Packages Originally: $1,400+ Selling for: $1,150 (includes shipping to CONUS) For technical info on the G2, see http://www.kennedycomposites.com/g2.html Thanks for looking Joe RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
