Re: [RCSE] "If you were watching the Olympic Beach Volley Ball tonite..."
I saw that and was wondering if they were your machines. I was telling a friend about you job. Very tough, but somebody has to do it. DArwin N. Barrie Chandler AZ On Aug 15, 2008, at 7:18 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Toward the end of the first set, the did a feature on the sand...and showed two of my little radio controlled beach cleaners...about 5mins on world TVcool stuff ! :-) Gordy North Jersey for a contest this weekend Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos.
Re: [RCSE] "If you were watching the Olympic Beach Volley Ball tonite..."
I just seen that Gordy. Dave Hauch www.rc-builds.com - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Soaring@airage.com Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 15, 2008 10:18 PM Subject: [RCSE] "If you were watching the Olympic Beach Volley Ball tonite..." Toward the end of the first set, the did a feature on the sand...and showed two of my little radio controlled beach cleaners...about 5mins on world TVcool stuff ! :-) Gordy North Jersey for a contest this weekend -- Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos.
[RCSE] "If you were watching the Olympic Beach Volley Ball tonite..."
Toward the end of the first set, the did a feature on the sand...and showed two of my little radio controlled beach cleaners...about 5mins on world TVcool stuff ! :-) Gordy North Jersey for a contest this weekend **Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-Volkswagen-Jetta-2009/expert-review?ncid=aolaut000307 )
Re: [RCSE] (No subject header)
In a FLS each field coil is in series with a brush set. The power goes through the field coil and into the positive brush, through the armature and then is grounded on the negative brush which is 90 degrees to the positive brush. If you disconnect the brushes from the field coil and have a switch to reverse polarity of each brush set it will reverse the motor. It is a lot of work but it is doable. It would also require the switch to carry the full current of the motor. Maybe you could use a switch to control a DPDT relay that can handle the current it takes to run the motor. Mark - Original Message From: Jeff Steifel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Erica and or Rob <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: soaring@airage.com Sent: Friday, August 15, 2008 5:13:19 PM Subject: Re: [RCSE] (No subject header) Actually if you turn it way off it will turn in the other direction. This is how the ESL winches worked on Goughner frames before Mike Wade modified our frames. Erica and or Rob wrote: > On Fri, 15 Aug 2008, Jeff Steifel wrote: >> You can't do it with a switch. >> The timing of the brushes controls the direction. > > Hey now, > Um, no, not true. The timing controls how efficent the motor turns > in whatever direction. If the timing is off a bit it'll still work, > just not as well. > RobII > > *'`'*.,.*'`'*.,.*'`'*.,.*'`'*.,.*'`'*.,.*'`'*.,.*'`'*.,.*'`'*.,.* > [EMAIL PROTECTED]Erica Frank & Rob Carter II > "Roast dragon, fried dragon, dragon steak, dragon cassarole, baked > dragon-in-onions, dragon omelette, dragon stew, dragon-on-a-stick-- > next time I kill a rabbit, period."--St. George > RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send > "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in > text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based > email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format > > -- Jeff Steifel RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] (No subject header)
Actually if you turn it way off it will turn in the other direction. This is how the ESL winches worked on Goughner frames before Mike Wade modified our frames. Erica and or Rob wrote: On Fri, 15 Aug 2008, Jeff Steifel wrote: You can't do it with a switch. The timing of the brushes controls the direction. Hey now, Um, no, not true. The timing controls how efficent the motor turns in whatever direction. If the timing is off a bit it'll still work, just not as well. RobII *'`'*.,.*'`'*.,.*'`'*.,.*'`'*.,.*'`'*.,.*'`'*.,.*'`'*.,.*'`'*.,.* [EMAIL PROTECTED]Erica Frank & Rob Carter II "Roast dragon, fried dragon, dragon steak, dragon cassarole, baked dragon-in-onions, dragon omelette, dragon stew, dragon-on-a-stick-- next time I kill a rabbit, period."--St. George RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format -- Jeff Steifel RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] BSS Mid-Am/OVSS #7
The Bluegrass Soaring Society is pleased to announce the 32nd Annual Mid-America Soaring Championships at The Kentucky Horse Park Campgrounds off Ironworks Pike Road in Lexington, KY September 5-7th 2008. September 5th will be an RES contest hosted by LASS with Ed Wilson as CD. This will be an open winch format and we plan to have 2 winches available. September 6th and 7th will be Unlimited MOM format and the contest will be #7 in the 2008 OVSS Series. CD for both days will be AJ Bhattacharyya. Awards will be awarded for 1st thru 3rd place in both Sportsman and Expert classes. Landings will be standard L6 type with a graduated 25 foot tape. Pilots meeting will be between 9:00 and 9:30 on each day and flying will begin shortly thereafter. Drinks will be provided on all days compliments of the BSS. Dinner will be at 6:30 PM on Saturday the 6th of Sept at Mi Mexico, 818 E. New Circle Road in Lexington. The address for the Horse Park is: 4809 Ironworks Parkway Lexington, KY 40511 (859) 259-4257 www.kyhorsepark.com The campground is the second entrance to the horse park. We will post signs directing you to the correct entrance. Take exit off I-75 onto Ironworks Pike (Exit 120, KY 1973) and follow the signs to the KYHP. It can also be reached from Newtown Pike (KY 922, Exit 115). There are numerous hotels in the area, and for those of you who might like to camp you can find the info on available facilities directly on the Horse Park website. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] (No subject header)
On Fri, 15 Aug 2008, Jeff Steifel wrote: You can't do it with a switch. The timing of the brushes controls the direction. Hey now, Um, no, not true. The timing controls how efficent the motor turns in whatever direction. If the timing is off a bit it'll still work, just not as well. RobII *'`'*.,.*'`'*.,.*'`'*.,.*'`'*.,.*'`'*.,.*'`'*.,.*'`'*.,.*'`'*.,.* [EMAIL PROTECTED] Erica Frank & Rob Carter II "Roast dragon, fried dragon, dragon steak, dragon cassarole, baked dragon-in-onions, dragon omelette, dragon stew, dragon-on-a-stick-- next time I kill a rabbit, period."--St. George RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Several DLG questions
Dan, Based on posts on the forums, I would point you to the Gambler. This seems to be a kit that is universally loved and praised. The others you list are also good choices but the Gambler seems to top this stack. I don't have one but the community seems to love this plane. The Gambler-AG = $75 - Kit http://www.wrightbrothersrc.com/products/gambler.htm http://www.rcgroups.com/4506 Review http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=583972 Video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=70IafR_ShoE Art Hobby has a number of 1.5M DLGs that you might consider. I have no experience with their planes ArtHobby Hyper DL $131 Kit http://www.arthobby.com/shop.html Art Hobby Hybrid DL $160 http://www.arthobby.com/shop.html Best regards, Ed Anderson > > Original Message > > Subject: [RCSE] Several DLG questions > > From: "Dan Ashenfelter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Date: Tue, August 12, 2008 5:00 pm > > To: > > Gentlemen: > > Before flying season fades into the sunset, I would like to build a DLG. = > At this point in my life I have more time than money, so I am looking at a= > built-up entry level kit rather than spending $300+ for an ARF or a high-p= > erformance kit. > > I have been researching quite a bit over the last several days, and the c= > onventional built-up kit selection is rather sparse. Right now, the most li= > kely candidates are the QF2 from Mountain Models and the Gambler AF from Wr= > ight Brothers RC. I have also considered the relatively low cost ARF Apach= > e from SoaringUSA.com > > As I researched built-up DLG's it seemed that most of them were 50" span = > or less rather than the usual 1.5m span that dominates the higher end model= > s. Is this for structural integrity or mostly for personal convenience/choi= > ce? As a novice DLG flyer should I look toward shorter span models or stick= > with the 1.5m ships? > > I am also curious to understand why the vertical and horizontal tail surf= > aces are separated on most DLG's. Aerodynamically I know that fewer interse= > ctions helps with drag, but are there other reasons for doing so? > > I have been flying r/c for 36+ years so I am not a novice to model flight= > but DLG is a whole new world for me. > > If anyone on the exchange has experience with the models named above (or = > similar kits) or can offer a novice DLG pilot some practical advise on span= > choice, Rudder/Elevator vs Rudder/Aileron/Elevator, polyhedral vs dihedral= > models or any other area that might prove helpful, I would be very gratefu= > l. > > Thanks > > Dan Ashenfelter > > Fort Dodge, Iowa RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] (No subject header)
You can't do it with a switch. The timing of the brushes controls the direction. On Thu, 14 Aug 2008 16:51:59 -0700, wrote: Several years back I saw that someone knew how to reverse the direction of the Ford Long Shaft motor. I want to run one forward and reverse from two pushbutton switches. 1) How do I reverse it? 2) How do I wire it so I can go forward and reverse?In case you think reversing the polarity at the battery will reverse a FLS motor, it won't. It will blow the diode in the newer type solenoid though. Done that. Thanks for any info. Rick Rick Bothell www.handsfreeretriever.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] (No subject header)
You can't do it with a switch. The timing of the brushes controls the direction. On Thu, 14 Aug 2008 16:51:59 -0700, wrote: Several years back I saw that someone knew how to reverse the direction of the Ford Long Shaft motor. I want to run one forward and reverse from two pushbutton switches. 1) How do I reverse it? 2) How do I wire it so I can go forward and reverse?In case you think reversing the polarity at the battery will reverse a FLS motor, it won't. It will blow the diode in the newer type solenoid though. Done that. Thanks for any info. Rick Rick Bothell www.handsfreeretriever.com - Msg sent via CableONE.net MyMail - http://www.cableone.netRCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] Several DLG questions
Dan, Many of your questions have answers and much more info on RCgroups.com on the Handlaunch forums. See:http://www.rcgroups.com/hand-launch-96/ As for the other questions, most are using composite winged planes because of their stiffness, airfoil accuracy, and ease of building. There are many built up plane kits out there, of which the DL50 is nice. there are build logs for it as well as others Whig you might find helpful. As for the separate rudder and elevator, sub-rudders assist with reducing boom bending, hence building a rudder and not having to split it for an elevator is nice. As for elevators, again, you have a much lighter and stronger structure. However, one of the best real reasons is transporting the plane. You can remove the elevator and the fuse then lies flat in a box, or whatever. The tailfeathers are quite light and delicate, so this prevent hanger rash! As for aerodynamics, you still have the intersections of the surfaces, so drag is not really that much different. In some cases you can uses an all moving stab, and that helps with obtaining the best incidence for launching and thermaling. There are other reasons, so again, I invite you to look at RCgroups, and you can pour through all the old posts and questions. There are lots of pictures, so that helps alot too. Chris > Original Message > Subject: [RCSE] Several DLG questions > From: "Dan Ashenfelter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: Tue, August 12, 2008 5:00 pm > To: > Gentlemen: > Before flying season fades into the sunset, I would like to build a DLG. At > this point in my life I have more time than money, so I am looking at a > built-up entry level kit rather than spending $300+ for an ARF or a > high-performance kit. > I have been researching quite a bit over the last several days, and the > conventional built-up kit selection is rather sparse. Right now, the most > likely candidates are the QF2 from Mountain Models and the Gambler AF from > Wright Brothers RC. I have also considered the relatively low cost ARF > Apache from SoaringUSA.com > As I researched built-up DLG's it seemed that most of them were 50" span or > less rather than the usual 1.5m span that dominates the higher end models. Is > this for structural integrity or mostly for personal convenience/choice? As a > novice DLG flyer should I look toward shorter span models or stick with the > 1.5m ships? > I am also curious to understand why the vertical and horizontal tail surfaces > are separated on most DLG's. Aerodynamically I know that fewer intersections > helps with drag, but are there other reasons for doing so? > I have been flying r/c for 36+ years so I am not a novice to model flight but > DLG is a whole new world for me. > If anyone on the exchange has experience with the models named above (or > similar kits) or can offer a novice DLG pilot some practical advise on span > choice, Rudder/Elevator vs Rudder/Aileron/Elevator, polyhedral vs dihedral > models or any other area that might prove helpful, I would be very grateful. > Thanks > Dan Ashenfelter > Fort Dodge, Iowa RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] (No subject header)
It would look like you would need to use the switch to reverse the polarity of the brushes in the two switch positions. A little surgery will be needed but it is doable. Timing may be an issue but you should only see reduced torque in the nonstock polarity. Mark Miller - Original Message From: Rick Bothell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: soaring@airage.com Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 6:51:59 PM Subject: [RCSE] (No subject header) Several years back I saw that someone knew how to reverse the direction of the Ford Long Shaft motor. I want to run one forward and reverse from two pushbutton switches. 1) How do I reverse it? 2) How do I wire it so I can go forward and reverse?In case you think reversing the polarity at the battery will reverse a FLS motor, it won't. It will blow the diode in the newer type solenoid though. Done that. Thanks for any info. Rick Rick Bothell www.handsfreeretriever.com Msg sent via CableONE.net MyMail - http://www.cableone.netRCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Re: Smoke systems for gliders....
I made an electric smoke system for my electric Rascal 110. I used 12v ceramic heaters in parallel that I cast into a series of chambers and a pressurized chemical mixture of two glycol's Worked great on the ground. I could fill my 150ft x 50ft court yard in about 10 sec. to were you could not see and good enough that the fire department responded twice :-). But in the air it was never enough. It would leave a trail, but could never got the output needed. Craig - Original Message From: Dtrimas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: soaring@airage.com Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 2:02:22 PM Subject: [RCSE] Re: Smoke systems for gliders & You wanna talk about dumb? Can you use liquid nitrogen to make smoke? -- Dtrimas Dtrimas's Profile: http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/member.php?u=221306 View this thread: http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=104097 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] WTB Hand launch DLG
Hi Alberto The Longshot and Lonbgshot 2 are both good models. I'd recommend them not just for fun flying either, they both perform well. Regards Mark "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has it's limits." -- Albert Einstein -- Original Message --- > Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 06:41:45 -0400 > From: "TJB" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Alberto" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Andy Thonet" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: "R/C Soaring.COM Webmaster" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, > Subject: Re: [RCSE] WTB Hand launch DLG > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Anyone flying a LongShot? > Looks like it might fly. In the price range of the Sidewinder. > > T RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] WTB Hand launch DLG
Anyone flying a LongShot? Looks like it might fly. In the price range of the Sidewinder. T - Original Message - From: Alberto To: Andy Thonet Cc: R/C Soaring.COM Webmaster ; soaring@airage.com Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 2:07 PM Subject: [RCSE] WTB Hand launch DLG Andy: Check these ones out at: http://www.hobbyclub.com/index.php?cPath=21_33 rgds, Alberto www.hobbyclub.com - Original Message - From: Andy Thonet To: soaring@airage.com Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 11:01 AM Subject: [RCSE] WTB Hand launch DLG I have a friend hat want to buy and get back into hand launch, Tell me what you have and how much. Thanks Andy Orange Co. CA RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Smoke systems for gliders & You wanna talk about dumb?
No, liquid nitrogen can not make smoke. It can make fog or mist but I doubt it would linger long. Best regards, Ed Anderson > > Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 16:02:22 -0500 > From: Dtrimas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: soaring@airage.com > Subject: Re: Smoke systems for gliders & You wanna talk about dumb? > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Can you use liquid nitrogen to make smoke? > > > -- > Dtrimas RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Re: Several DLG questions
Dan, I built my first DLG (an ArtHobby kit) two years ago, trying to save a few bucks and not knowing how I would like tossing gliders and flying them. I beat it up pretty badly learning to launch, fly and catch one of these DLGs. I had some good flights, some lasting 7-8 minutes, which I was thrilled with. I have recently build a Sidewinder II (www.polecataero.com). My build weighed 10.1 oz. more than three oz. less than my first DLG. It is in another league altogther. It launches higher with less effort, floats better, signals lift better, is way more responsive and more fun to fly. The big dihedral at 6.5" makes ruddering easy, and I use the flaperons to tune the camber into the immediate flying conditions. The flaperons make a big differennce. With a poly ship, flying is simpler with no camber control other than elevator trim and CG. Maybe you want simple for now, but if you are a tinkerer, and fly more complex ships, you will really appreciate it. Yeah, it costs more than a balsa kit, but one glider costs less than two! Just my two cents, Jeff C. A happy Polecat customer -- aku aku's Profile: http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/member.php?u=90147 View this thread: http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=908122 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Re: Smoke systems for gliders & You wanna talk about dumb?
Can you use liquid nitrogen to make smoke? -- Dtrimas Dtrimas's Profile: http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/member.php?u=221306 View this thread: http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=104097 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Re: "DO NOT SIGN UP FOR THE SOARING MASTERS....Early!"
There's hope! -- schrederman schrederman's Profile: http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/member.php?u=13218 View this thread: http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=907410 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] WTB Hand launch DLG
Andy: Check these ones out at: http://www.hobbyclub.com/index.php?cPath=21_33 rgds, Alberto www.hobbyclub.com - Original Message - From: Andy Thonet To: soaring@airage.com Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 11:01 AM Subject: [RCSE] WTB Hand launch DLG I have a friend hat want to buy and get back into hand launch, Tell me what you have and how much. Thanks Andy Orange Co. CA
