[RCSE] What the heck???

2008-08-23 Thread Dan Borer
http://www.thelopezfamilyonline.com/play.php?first=Gordylast=Stahl

[RCSE] NIB Sapphire Kit For Sale

2008-07-05 Thread Dan Borer
Hi All--

I have a NIB Whyte Wings Sapphire kit for sale. It looks to be complete and 
unbuilt except for the fuselage being primed. Wing span is 118, SD7037 
airfoil, obeechi sheeted foam wing.

Best offer, plus shipping. Please reply privately.

Thanks for your time.

Dan
www.tdwings.com 

[RCSE] AUGUST SC2 Contest Announcement

2008-06-25 Thread Dan Borer
The August 24, 2008 SC2 contest, announcement can be found on the SC2 website-- 
www.sc-2.org .

Dan

[RCSE] July SC-2 Contest

2008-06-23 Thread Dan Borer
Hi All--

The March 2008 SC-2 contest that was rained out at Fish Canyon Field has been 
rescheduled for July 20, 2008. Frank Corsaro will be the CD and the 
announcement can be downloaded from the SC-2 website at www.sc-2.org .

Dan

[RCSE] SC-2 Scores

2008-05-19 Thread Dan Borer
Hi All--

Scores for today's SC2 contest at SWSA's Fish Canyon can be found at the link 
on the SC-2 website http://www.sc-2.org/web/ .

Dan

[RCSE] May SC2 Contest

2008-05-07 Thread Dan Borer
Hi All--

The May 2008 SC2 contest will be held at SWSA's Fish Canyon Field on Sunday, 
May 18, 2008. A link to the contest announcement can be found at www.sc-2.org .

Hope to see you there.

Dan

[RCSE] Need Composite Wings?

2008-03-29 Thread Dan Borer
Check out www.tdwings.com if you need composite wings for an older fuselage or 
your new 'secret project'.

Thanks for your time.

Dan

[RCSE] Supras For Sale

2008-03-28 Thread Dan Borer
Hi All--

I have a buddy that has two new and unbuilt Supras for sale. Both are white 
with blue trim and one has red bottoms. These are Supra #253 and Supra #336. 
Either or both can be yours for the best reasonable offer. Reply to this email 
or call me at (909)367-6179 for more info.

Thanks for your time.

Dan

[RCSE] Un-built Sapphire For Sale

2008-02-29 Thread Dan Borer
Anyone looking for a brand new Sapphire? I have an un-built Sapphire fuselage 
along with a red set of Whyte Wings tail feathers that I'd like to find a new 
home for. Included with the fuselage will be a set of composite wings, custom 
bagged to your specs. The wings can be either a 123 span triple taper similar 
to the original Sapphire or a 126 quad taper, similar to an Addiction, in the 
airfoil of your choice, cut on a CNC foam cutter. The top of wing can be 
painted in your choice of color in the bag. Delivery will be in about two weeks 
after I get your specs for the wing. I can provide pictures of some of my work 
if requested.

Here's your chance to get a brand new, built to order composite plane. Price is 
$500 plus shipping.

Please contact me off the list if you are interested. 

Thanks for your time.

Dan

[RCSE] 72 Mhz Stuff For Sale

2008-02-22 Thread Dan Borer
Hi All--

I am migrating over to 2.4 Ghz with all my planes, so I have some 72 Mhz stuff 
that I no longer need. All of it is for Futatba, that is negative shift. Here 
is what I have available:

Futaba receivers:
2--FP-R148DF (high band), one is only a few months old
1--FP-R127DF (low band) case cracked

Hitec receivers:
2--SuperSlim 8
3--Electron 6
2--Micro 555

Cirrus receiver:
1--MRX-6 on Ch. 54, single conversion park flyer

Futaba TX Modules, fit Super 7, Super 8 and 9C radios:
1--TP-FSM Sythesized module, select Ch 11 thru 60
1--FP-TP-FM on Ch 19
1--FP-TP-FM on Ch 24
1--FP-TP-FM on Ch 54

Futaba crystals:
1--Ch 24
1--Ch 54

Hitec crystals:
1--Ch 18
1--Ch 20
1--Ch 24
1--Ch 25
1--Ch 28
1--Ch 30
2--Ch 36
2--Ch 38
1--Ch 47
1--Ch 50
9--Ch 54
1--Ch 58
1--Ch 59
1--Ch 60

Let me know if you need any, or all, of this and we'll see what we can work out.

Thanks for your time.

Dan


Re: [RCSE] LSF discussion - some thoughts

2006-09-13 Thread Dan Borer
Why on earth would anyone be satisfied to be an LSF Sportsman Level V when 
you could be a 'real' LSF Level V with just a little more dedication and 
perseverance?


I found this segment of the hobby about eight years ago. I joined my local 
club and I learned that they enjoyed distant contests and was thrilled when 
I was invited along. I saw the fun had at these events and bought myself an 
older camping trailer so I could immerse myself in the activities afforded 
at these gatherings. I signed up with the LSF and began that journey. Being 
around the 'big boys' forces you to learn all the aspects of soaring that 
make you a better pilot. When the goal and return tasks became part of the 
path, an old BMW convertible was purchased. Many of my flying buddies have 
had the pleasure of strapping into the back seat while I speed down the 
course. These purchases to allow me to enjoy this hobby cost less than many 
guys spend on a couple of planes.


The discussion at the field today concerned the threads here and at RC 
Groups. The consensus is that if you want to achieve LSF Level V you'd 
better be willing to do what it takes. No one wants to get the 'lite' Level 
V voucher. One analogy was that if you want to be a champion bass fisherman, 
you'd better have a boat, preferably a fast one.


Dan


- Original Message - 
From: Jim Deck [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: RCSE soaring@airage.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 1:06 PM
Subject: [RCSE] LSF discussion - some thoughts


OK, I've read nearly all the comments on this topic in both forums and I'm 
ready to toss my two cents worth in the pot.
If I were king, here's what I'd do to get my royal advisors started 
right after I explained the KISS principle.
   - Anyone wanting to become an LSF Sportsman MUST successfully 
complete the current requirements for Level I  II(Contest reqm't 
included).  Why? First, these two levels do a lot toward producing a 
competent sailplane pilot.  The competition requirement of Level II isn't 
that stiff and at least exposes the participant to competition.  Second, 
by making Level II mandatory, a pool of Sportsman pilots becomes available 
who at least understand what the LSF program is all about and can 
appropriately serve as witnesses for those in pursuit of higher levels.
- After completing Level II, the requirements for further Sportsman Levels 
should include the current non-competitive tasks in Levels II - V.  To 
keep things simple (a former LSF Secretary speaks here), perhaps repeats 
of these tasks might be required of the Sportsman.  My personal opinion is 
the XC task of Level III should also be required as it currently stands as 
it, too, gives the pilot good introductory exposure to XC.
- For Sportsman Levels IV  V, perhaps a substitute for the XC tasks might 
be available but, for Sportsman Level V, both the 2 hour thermal and 
traditional 8 hour slope flight should remain.  (Note that for some of the 
current Level V's - that's the only slope flying they've done.)  Also, 
Sportsman Level V's should keep the 2 Level II witnesses  requirement as 
well as that requirement helps promote the hobby's growth by its if you 
can't find 'em, grow 'em strategy.


Respectfully submitted for your consideration,
   Jim Deck
An afterward - for the LSF Leadership, this discussion couldn't have 
come at a worse time.  The LSF sponsored Masters and the AMA Planning 
Meeting for the 2007 NATS re on the very near horizon.  Remember that they 
are unpaid volunteers and cut them lots of slack while patiently waiting 
for their response.


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[RCSE] Fw: SWSA Bent Wing BBQ

2006-09-06 Thread Dan Borer
Here is a reminder for the SWSA Bent Wing BBQ on Sept. 17. Let me know if 
you plan to attend so we can get the food ordered.


Hope to see you there.

Dan

- Original Message - 
From: Dan Borer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: SWSA E-group [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Cc: [RCSE] soaring@airage.com
Sent: Saturday, August 19, 2006 7:17 PM
Subject: SWSA Bent Wing BBQ



Hi All--

Summer is beginning to wind down and SWSA hasn't had their annual Bent 
Wing BBQ yet so here is some info to help you plan an enjoyable day of 
flying at Fish Canyon, along with some great barbequed food from Canyon 
City Barbeque in Azusa. This contest is open to all RES sailplanes and 
rudder/elevator electrics. Yes, electrics can be flown too as long as they 
don't have flaps or ailerons. They'll fly the same tasks and landings. 
Rules will be covered at the pilot's meeting.


This event will be five rounds consisting of 3, 5, 7, 5 and 3 minutes. 
Lunch will be served near the end of the 7 minute round and we'll keep the 
event moving while lunch is served. Registration will open at 9:00 AM with 
the pilot's meeting at 10:00 AM and the first round to open immediately 
after the meeting. Entry is $10.00 per pilot, including lunch. Additional 
lunches may be purchased for $7.00 each.


The event notice can be found at 
http://silent-wings.org/popoff/BentWingBBQ.htm .


If you plan to attend please send a note to [EMAIL PROTECTED] so we can 
get an idea of how much food to order. More info and directions can be 
found at the SWSA website at www.silent-wings.org .


We hope to see you for a fun filled day of flying.

Dan





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[RCSE] Pike WIng Tip

2006-08-30 Thread Dan Borer
I'm looking for a left wing tip panel for a Pike Superior. I would prefer 
white top and blue bottom, but anything in good shape will do. Please reply 
privately with details of what you have to offer.


Thanks.

Dan 



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[RCSE] SWSA Bent Wing BBQ

2006-08-19 Thread Dan Borer

Hi All--

Summer is beginning to wind down and SWSA hasn't had their annual Bent Wing 
BBQ yet so here is some info to help you plan an enjoyable day of flying at 
Fish Canyon, along with some great barbequed food from Canyon City Barbeque 
in Azusa. This contest is open to all RES sailplanes and rudder/elevator 
electrics. Yes, electrics can be flown too as long as they don't have flaps 
or ailerons. They'll fly the same tasks and landings. Rules will be covered 
at the pilot's meeting.


This event will be five rounds consisting of 3, 5, 7, 5 and 3 minutes. Lunch 
will be served near the end of the 7 minute round and we'll keep the event 
moving while lunch is served. Registration will open at 9:00 AM with the 
pilot's meeting at 10:00 AM and the first round to open immediately after 
the meeting. Entry is $10.00 per pilot, including lunch. Additional lunches 
may be purchased for $7.00 each.


The event notice can be found at 
http://silent-wings.org/popoff/BentWingBBQ.htm .


If you plan to attend please send a note to [EMAIL PROTECTED] so we can 
get an idea of how much food to order. More info and directions can be found 
at the SWSA website at www.silent-wings.org .


We hope to see you for a fun filled day of flying.

Dan 



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[RCSE] For Sale--RnR SB-XC--Price Reduced

2006-08-07 Thread Dan Borer

I have an RnR Products SB-XC cross country ship for sale for a friend.
Included are JR servos for all control surfaces, a 6 volt sealed lead acid
(SLA) battery with charger, and wooden carrying box. The plane is white with
brown trim on the tips and black bottoms. There is a cosmetic ding at the
inner part of one wing tip panel that has been reinforced internally with
carbon. This plane will be RTF with your receiver. Asking $800 with local
pickup in southern California. Can be shipped if necessary but may be
fairly expensive due to the 7' long box.

See more specs at http://www.rnrproducts.com/airframes/gliders/xbxc.htm .
Pictures will be available upon request.

Thanks for your time.

Dan 



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[RCSE] For Sale--RnR SB-XC

2006-07-30 Thread Dan Borer
I have an RnR Products SB-XC cross country ship for sale for a friend. 
Included are JR servos for all control surfaces, a 6 volt sealed lead acid 
(SLA) battery with charger, and wooden carrying box. The plane is white with 
brown trim on the tips and black bottoms. There is a cosmetic ding at the 
inner part of one wing tip panel that has been reinforced internally with 
carbon. This plane will be RTF with your receiver. Asking $900 with local 
pickup in southern California. Can be shipped if necessary but will be 
fairly expensive due to the 7' long box.


See more specs at http://www.rnrproducts.com/airframes/gliders/xbxc.htm . 
Pictures will be available upon request.


Thanks for your time.

Dan 



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[RCSE] For Sale--Picolario Variometer

2006-07-30 Thread Dan Borer
I've got a Picolario variometer for sale. Included are the receiver with 
earphone and TEK nozzle for cross or t-tail. More info on the Picolario can 
be found at http://www.picolario-usa.com/ . Asking $375 plus shipping.


Thanks for your time.

Dan 



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Re: [RCSE] Numbered drill bit question

2006-07-24 Thread Dan Borer
I use a 1/16 bit, followed by a drop of thin CA after the clevises and 
control rod have been installed. I do each clevis at the end of the control 
rod individually, let it cure, cycle the surface through its range of 
movement and then do the same to the opposite end. If using a threaded rod I 
will then put a drop of thin CA on the threads where they enter the clevis 
once I am satisfied with the setup. This all sounds too permanent but works 
well and still allows disassembly when necessary.


Dan

- Original Message - 
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Sent: Monday, July 24, 2006 5:59 PM
Subject: [RCSE] Numbered drill bit question



I want to minimize slop in my control surfaces.
What numbered drill bit, or bits, do I need for drilling out control horns 
and servo arms for Dubro type quick links?

Thanks,
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Re: [RCSE] MidSouth Air to be Sooo Good that Tasks Are Going LONNNGG!

2006-06-23 Thread Dan Borer



Hey Gordy--

Can I come fly your event? At our SC2 contest on Sunday if the sheriff's 
chopper comes within view we will be ordered to dive below 400'. If I don't do 
it fast enough then both the me and timer will get zeros for the round!

Dan

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  To: Soaring@airage.com 
  Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 7:19 PM
  Subject: [RCSE] "MidSouth Air to be Sooo 
  Good that Tasks Are Going LONNNGG!"
  
  Looks like the air will be so sweet during the MidSouth that in order to 
  cull the luckies from the talented, task times are likely to be in the 30 to 
  40min ranges and landing points will be measured with a micrometer, 1 point 
  per 1/100 of an inch...no worries though because we have lazer measuring 
  devices like in tennis matches, so landings points will be reported 
  automatically.
  
  Also special devices will be taped to each plane that senses when the tow 
  hook is detached, telemetry will start special hand held countdown timers 
  supplied to each contestant.
  (timers will also be supplied lawn chairs and cool drinks).
  
  Pilots will have Hooters girls with big clear fans keeping them cool 
  while flying, sorry guys only two per pilot. We tried to get 'mist 
  machines' to cool the entire field, but it caused the grass to grow so fast, 
  we'd have to cut it mid day...so that was out.
  
  The banquet will be to die for! Fried Green Tomatoes, Frickled 
  Pickles, Ribs and Cat fish fingers.
  
  There is a wayyy outside chance that the banquet will be held on a Paddle 
  Wheel River Boat that would pick us all up right next to the fieldbut 
  don't hold your breath on that one. :-)
  
  For SURE, there will be a huge supply of old friends to fly with from all 
  over the country...that alone will be enough to make it the second most fun 
  contest this side of Visalia :-)
  
  So what are you bringing to fly?
  Supra? Giant? Perfect? Sharon? Insanity? Superior?
  
  Gordy


[RCSE] JR 6102 TX

2006-05-18 Thread Dan Borer

Hi All--

A buddy of mine has a JR 6102 six channel radio and wants to set it up to 
work on an RES plane with two spoiler servos. I assume I can plug the rudder 
servo into the Aileron channel to get the right stick to be the primary 
control for the rudder. One spoiler would be plugged into the Throttle 
channel and the other spoiler could be plugged into any other unused channel 
and then mixed to the Throttle channel to get both spoilers to work off the 
spoiler (throttle) stick. Finally the elevator could be mixed to the 
throttle channel to provide elevator compensation when the spoilers are 
deployed.


Will this set up work or is there a better way?

Thanks for your help.

Dan 


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[RCSE] Two 2M planes For Sale

2006-05-09 Thread Dan Borer

The following are from the estate of a fellow club member:

Whyte Wings Ruby CGT 2M full house glider. RTF with six servos, battery and 
Airtronics RX. Small unrepaired crack on bottom of fuse under the wing. 
Weighs 44 ounces. Composite wings with bagged tails and a patriotic color 
scheme. $200 plus shipping from SoCal.


Saturn 2M full house. No RX or battery but has 6 servos. Note on plane lists 
weight at 48 ounces. Sheeted foam wing, fiberglass fuse with T-tail. $75 
plus shipping from SoCal.


Pictures of both planes upon request.

Thanks for your time.

Dan


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[RCSE] Graupner Winch Value

2006-05-09 Thread Dan Borer
What's a Graupner winch with turnaround pulley worth these days? This is the 
orange framed model and the only marking on it is Hochstartwinde 12V-100A.


Thanks for any info.

Dan 


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[RCSE] Charlie Tasto

2006-04-30 Thread Dan Borer

Hey Charlie--

Are you on the list? You left your AMA card down here at Fish Canyon and 
we'd like to get it back to you. If you know Charlie please provide his 
email address so we can make contact.


Thanks.

Dan 


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Re: [RCSE] Fresno Classic

2006-04-03 Thread Dan Borer
I agree that it was a fantastic contest. Very friendly atmosphere, a 
pleasant break from the rain and beautiful scenery.


Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't the Soaring Junkie also beat Daryl 
according to the final scores? With his RES plane? Way to go Edgar!


Dan

- Original Message - 
From: David Zucker [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Cc: soaring@airage.com
Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 5:16 PM
Subject: Re: [RCSE] Fresno Classic



Daryl Perkins wrote:

What a Blast! Nice people, great weather, some tough
air, and some great flying by the winners (not me
btw - I HATE it when that happens!) ;-)

Congrats to:

Dave Zucker - First Place Unlimited - Dave was on
fire! I don't think I could have beaten him even if I
was practiced. He had his model (Icon - yeah I know...
shut up!) landing slowly, controllably, and like it
was on rails. Nice Job Dave!


 Ditto about the Fresno Contest. No matter how well I do it's always a
 great place to fly.
 To be fair, Daryl out FLEW everybody as usual and it came down to a
landing contest(And they say it's hard to land an Icon,oh yeah, that was 
me saying that)I finally found the setup that gets the floatiness out it 
on final. The thing just likes to go up all the time.

 It was nice to come home with a couple of D dollars this time.

 See you guys next year,

 David



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[RCSE] Pete Olsen, AMA 1534

2006-02-17 Thread Dan Borer
It is with great sadness that I report the loss of Pete Olsen, AMA 1534, 
President of The Silent Wings Soaring Association (SWSA) of Covina, CA on 
February 13, 2006. Pete succumbed to complications of a long illness and 
hospitalization.


Services for Pete will be held on Monday, February 20, 2006 at 11:00 AM at 
St. Stephens Lutheran Church, 2311 E. Chapman Avenue, Fullerton, CA.


An online guest book has been established by the Inland Valley Daily 
Bulletin at 
http://www.legacy.com/ivdailybulletin/Obituaries.asp?Page=LifestoryPersonId=16749181 
for you to express your condolences to the family and express your memories 
of Pete.


Dan Borer
Team SWSA 


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[RCSE] Soaring on New Year's Day, SoCal Style

2006-01-03 Thread Dan Borer

Here is a link to the PopOff newsletter, the official document of the Silent
Wings Soaring Association:
http://silent-wings.org/popoff/2005Scores/2005ScoresFS.htm .
Click on the image of the Sheriff's helicopter to be taken to a write up of 
the activities

at our new field located in Fish Canyon near Duarte, CA. Not much sun, no
snow and only a drop of rain but we still had a great time.

Dan

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Re: [RCSE] It's Gordy's Fault, Again

2005-09-22 Thread Dan Borer



Hey Gordy--

I've been busy out in the garage putting the finishing touches on my new 
Contraddiction--a ratty old Addiction fuse with a set of RES MH32 wings fresh 
out of my vacuum bag. If it works as hoped this weekendyou'll see it at 
Visalia.

Speaking of Visalia, Camp SWSA North will be arriving as early as Wednesday 
morning. We'll have at least seven RVs there with a bunch of tents scattered 
about too. Last count showed about 30 of us signed up to compete. As always, the 
welcome mat will be out and the vinyl cutter will be fired up and ready to 
cut!

Dan

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  To: soaring@airage.com 
  Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2005 5:50 
  PM
  Subject: [RCSE] WHO IS RESPONSIBLE 
?
  
  Yup! Its me as usual.
  
  I am responsible for lots of things, like JoJo taking wood at the 
  Nationals. A couple of guys getting the Pike Giant wings, me completing 
  LSF 4, Acapulco for having clean sand on their beaches, same for Los Angles, 
  Graham hiding his string, and Visalia being the most fun and prestigious RC 
  event in the world.
  
  A couple of other things too but I forgot what they were cuz of the CA 
  fumes collecting in my motel room here just south of Minneapolis on the way to 
  Milwaukeeyep working on a sailplanewas gonna spend the time thinking 
  about some really important natural disaster...but decided to work on a 
  sailplane instead.
  
  What sailplane are YOU working on tonite? (while watching the series 
  premier of Smallville, eating chicken wings :-)
  
  Lets see who can be Gordy tonite :-)
  Gordy


Re: Re: [RCSE] F-16 Flyby-Happy 4th of July

2005-07-05 Thread Dan Borer
That's why we call those big four-bladed things 'fans'--when they quit
turning the crew starts sweating. Unless they are in an Orion and then they
intentionally shut a couple of them off before they drop down to skim the
waves.

Dan

- Original Message - 
From: Keith [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Mark Wales [EMAIL PROTECTED]; soaring@airage.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2005 7:56 AM
Subject: Re: Re: [RCSE] F-16 Flyby-Happy 4th of July


 It's when that sound stops that you gotta start worrying!!!:-)

 Keith

 - Original Message - 
 From: Mark Wales [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: soaring@airage.com
 Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2005 10:33 AM
 Subject: FW: Re: [RCSE] F-16 Flyby-Happy 4th of July


 
  But there's no sound better than that of a T-56/Turboprop swinging on
the
  wing of a C-130.
  (The sound's of heaven)
 
 
  Mark
  (retired C-130 Crew Chief)
 
  Soaring Is Life!!
 
 
 
 
 From: Keith [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Reply-To: Keith [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: soaring@airage.com
 Subject: Re: [RCSE] F-16 Flyby-Happy 4th of July
 Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 07:20:25 -0400
 
 Since when?  As a professional pilot who has watched people build and
buy
 homes closer and closer to airports that have been there for many tens
of
 years, and some a hell of a lot longer than that, I question their
 intelligence, education and common sense.  Airports are and always will
be
 good for the community, especially from a financial perspective!  And
 those that are home to military squadrons play an even more important
 role!  Most airports generate more steady-state revenue for the local
 community than people ever seem to realize.  And why is it that when
 people have to travel somewhere and choose to go by airline, the average
 joe traveling public seems to always be complaining about how much of a
 pain it is to get to the airport because it's so far away, etc.
Everyone
 seems to want an airport nearby when it serves their personal purposes,
 but are quick to condemn them if an airplane flies overhead.  And those
 that complain about ticket prices on airlines have no clue what it costs
 to operate an airplane or airline. Airlines RARELY make much if any
profit
 at all.  Most operate in the red! Airlines operate on such thin margins
 that few people in their right mind would ever invest in one!  The
 incredible lack of understanding and general ignorance of what's
involved
 in supporting and operating aircraft is not just limited to the general
 public, but sadly also includes those that actually work in the industry
 (It's all I can do to keep from blowing up when I listen on a discrete
 frequency to some airline pilots complaining about their contracts, pay
 and benefit packages as we cruise along at 40,000' over the Atlantic or
 Pacific routes sometimes).  It's really a sad thing.
 
 *sigh* okay, I'll get off my soapbox now.  Sorry to all for my
little
 rant off-topic...
 
 BUT before I go... how can anyone not be turned on by the sound of
 50,000 pound thrust G.E. or Pratt and Whitney engines in afterburner,
even
 if it IS at O-dark thirty in the morning?
 
 Keith McLellan (crazy about every kind of flying machine imagineable for
 over 43 years now)
 Captain
 New World Aviation
 
 - Original Message - From: Don Copley [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: Chuck Anderson [EMAIL PROTECTED]; soaring@airage.com
 Sent: Monday, July 04, 2005 11:25 AM
 Subject: RE: [RCSE] F-16 Flyby-Happy 4th of July
 
 
 Sound of freedom can really be obnoxious at times :-)
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Re: Re: Re: [RCSE] F-16 Flyby-Happy 4th of July

2005-07-05 Thread Dan Borer
No, no, no...They're upside down on the Herc! Actually the motors 
are in the same orientation. The gearbox is mounted high on one and low on 
the other. You guys can guess which one is high and low.


Dan
- Original Message - 
From: Mark Wales [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: soaring@airage.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2005 12:11 PM
Subject: FW: Re: Re: [RCSE] F-16 Flyby-Happy 4th of July





Same motor but they installed them upside down on the Orion.

Mark

Soaring Is Life!!





From: Dan Borer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Keith [EMAIL PROTECTED],Mark Wales 
[EMAIL PROTECTED],soaring@airage.com

Subject: Re: Re: [RCSE] F-16 Flyby-Happy 4th of July
Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 08:02:13 -0700

That's why we call those big four-bladed things 'fans'--when they quit
turning the crew starts sweating. Unless they are in an Orion and then 
they

intentionally shut a couple of them off before they drop down to skim the
waves.

Dan

- Original Message -
From: Keith [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Mark Wales [EMAIL PROTECTED]; soaring@airage.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2005 7:56 AM
Subject: Re: Re: [RCSE] F-16 Flyby-Happy 4th of July


 It's when that sound stops that you gotta start worrying!!!:-)

 Keith

 - Original Message -
 From: Mark Wales [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: soaring@airage.com
 Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2005 10:33 AM
 Subject: FW: Re: [RCSE] F-16 Flyby-Happy 4th of July


 
  But there's no sound better than that of a T-56/Turboprop swinging on
the
  wing of a C-130.
  (The sound's of heaven)
 
 
  Mark
  (retired C-130 Crew Chief)
 
  Soaring Is Life!!
 
 
 
 
 From: Keith [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Reply-To: Keith [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: soaring@airage.com
 Subject: Re: [RCSE] F-16 Flyby-Happy 4th of July
 Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 07:20:25 -0400
 
 Since when?  As a professional pilot who has watched people build and
buy
 homes closer and closer to airports that have been there for many 
 tens

of
 years, and some a hell of a lot longer than that, I question their
 intelligence, education and common sense.  Airports are and always
will
be
 good for the community, especially from a financial perspective!  And
 those that are home to military squadrons play an even more important
 role!  Most airports generate more steady-state revenue for the local
 community than people ever seem to realize.  And why is it that when
 people have to travel somewhere and choose to go by airline, the
average
 joe traveling public seems to always be complaining about how much of
a
 pain it is to get to the airport because it's so far away, etc.
Everyone
 seems to want an airport nearby when it serves their personal
purposes,
 but are quick to condemn them if an airplane flies overhead.  And
those
 that complain about ticket prices on airlines have no clue what it
costs
 to operate an airplane or airline. Airlines RARELY make much if any
profit
 at all.  Most operate in the red! Airlines operate on such thin
margins
 that few people in their right mind would ever invest in one!  The
 incredible lack of understanding and general ignorance of what's
involved
 in supporting and operating aircraft is not just limited to the
general
 public, but sadly also includes those that actually work in the
industry
 (It's all I can do to keep from blowing up when I listen on a 
 discrete

 frequency to some airline pilots complaining about their contracts,
pay
 and benefit packages as we cruise along at 40,000' over the Atlantic
or
 Pacific routes sometimes).  It's really a sad thing.
 
 *sigh* okay, I'll get off my soapbox now.  Sorry to all for my
little
 rant off-topic...
 
 BUT before I go... how can anyone not be turned on by the sound 
 of

 50,000 pound thrust G.E. or Pratt and Whitney engines in afterburner,
even
 if it IS at O-dark thirty in the morning?
 
 Keith McLellan (crazy about every kind of flying machine imagineable
for
 over 43 years now)
 Captain
 New World Aviation
 
 - Original Message - From: Don Copley
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 To: Chuck Anderson [EMAIL PROTECTED]; soaring@airage.com
 Sent: Monday, July 04, 2005 11:25 AM
 Subject: RE: [RCSE] F-16 Flyby-Happy 4th of July
 
 
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Re: [RCSE] NATS Entries Look Good

2005-06-28 Thread Dan Borer
Boy Chuck, I know you have a few years under the belt, but I didn't know you 
were that old!


Dan

- Original Message - 
From: Chuck Anderson [EMAIL PROTECTED]


 I am through flying Nostalgia class until we start flying Nostalgia tasks 
just like we flew  before 1908.


Chuck Anderson



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Re: [RCSE] Parachute for the winch

2005-06-20 Thread Dan Borer



Try Don Richmond at http://www.hilaunch.com/.

Dan

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Marvin 
  Tedrow 
  To: soaring@airage.com 
  Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 4:05 PM
  Subject: [RCSE] Parachute for the 
  winch
  
  Looking for suggestions as to the 
  best place to purchaseparachutes for winches
  Looking for brighter colors, 
  solid or in combination of 
colorsThanks


[RCSE] Glider Hauler For Sale

2005-05-13 Thread Dan Borer
Hi All--

Classic 1961 Chevy Apache 10 pickup for sale. See
http://www.sc-2.org/web/index.php?module=photoalbumPHPWS_Album_id=5PHPWS_P
hoto_op=viewPHPWS_Photo_id=45 for more info. Price negotiable somewhere
near $3000.

Thanks for your time.

Dan

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[RCSE] Plane For Sale

2005-05-12 Thread Dan Borer
Following is a Sharp Wind glider for sale. Please contact Pete at the
included link. Pictures available upon request.

3.3 Meter F3J Sharp Wind Molded Glider.
In excellent condition (not pristine)

The 3.3M Sharp Wind is an all molded carbon skinned competition class
thermal sailplane, designed for F3J soaring. This plane is very large, very
stiff, and very strong.  Takes winch launches without a whimper.  Able to
take 2-man hand towing on the strongest mono line with ease.

Two piece wing with a very strong rectangular carbon wing joiner.

Fuse is also strong, cruciform flying stab.

Adjustable tow hook and wiring harness included.

Asking $895 w/o servos.  $1,150 with 6 servos.

Contact Pete Olsen by e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Serious offers will be considered.  Buyer pays for shipping or pickup in
person around Rancho Cucamonga, CA.




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Re: [RCSE] One-off simple EPP foam cutting...

2005-04-15 Thread Dan Borer
Greg--

Go to the CNCFoamcutters group on Yahoo. There are lots of us out here doing
exactly what you are looking for and I'm sure there is someone in your neck
of the wood. If you don't find someone close by let me know what you need
and I'll see if I can help.

Dan

- Original Message -
From: Greg Stewart [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Soaring@airage.com
Sent: Friday, April 15, 2005 8:55 PM
Subject: [RCSE] One-off simple EPP foam cutting...


 Anyone know of someone who's doing custom EPP foam cutting, especially
 no-template computer-aided cutting?

 I need a new wing for my Diversity Models Maddog, it's a simple ~36 span
 constant-chord with a symmetrical Selig airfoil. I've got one offer from
 someone who'll assist me in doing it if I make a set of templates, but
I've
 been too busy even to make them.

 TIA!

 Greg in Minneapolis


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Re: [RCSE] Re: template material choices?

2005-03-28 Thread Dan Borer
I just take the .pdf on a CD to FedEx Kinko's and have it printed full size
on their paper. Lay it out on the foam, follow the edges carefully while
cutting the first time and it can't get much cheaper than that. Store the
cut plans carefully and just lay them on the foam again when it's time to
cut another one. It sounds like I may have a few more friends than you and I
have cut lots of Edges, Sukhois, Ultimates, Pitts' and Extras for them, plus
a bunch of each for me.

Dan

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Soaring@airage.com
Sent: Monday, March 28, 2005 8:56 PM
Subject: [RCSE] Re: template material choices?


 I'm making a foamy electric pusher F-18 from plans by 3d Foamy. I have
full
 size templates I downloaded and printed out to use when cutting fan fold
foam.
 What's the best template material in terms of a workable compromise
between
 workability, durability, accuracy and cost? I think PC board material
would be
 overkill, it's only blue foam, even if I make three sets of spares, I
think
 it's going to be used for all of an hour to make up all the components,
but
 should the worst happen, I guess I would have them on file to pull out,
but not
 often. Then there's the remote possibility friends might wanna use them
too...
 pretty remote, as I have so few friends;-)   I was thinking of using the
rolled
 coiled metal flashing common in roof and gutter repair, or maybe just
cheap
 balsa sheet (not contest grade or even any particular grain), with
plumbers tape
 run around the edges or something?  The wing is a flat plate, the fuse
shapes
 are all pretty square, this should be a simple process...

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[RCSE] SB-XC

2005-02-03 Thread Dan Borer
Has anyone got an SB-XC they'd like to sell?

Dan

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[RCSE] New Year's Day Woody Postal Contest and Other Activities

2005-01-02 Thread Dan Borer



Hi All--

I told all of you that it wouldn't rain on our 
parade! We were worried though and so were the promoters of the Rose Parade and 
the Rose Bowl. If you saw either of these events on TV you saw our flying 
conditions since we are only a few miles east of Pasadena. We saw sun, clouds, a 
slight breeze and no rain. Beginning temps were in the low 40's, climbing to the 
low 60's and then dropping by mid-afternoon. Yes, some of the guys wore 
shorts.

Our day began at about 8:00 with Major and crew 
setting up the winch equipment. Meanwhile some of the electric guys tore up the 
skies with their Slow Stiks, PT-17s, Edge 540s,Tempests and hotliners. 
Once the winch was ready Mike Reagan hooked up his AVA for the first thermal 
flight of the year. When Tom Finch showed up with his new Vandal Mike handled 
the maiden toss and then maiden winch launch. I'm sure you will hear more about 
this molded plane real soon.

Larry Jolly assembled his old Comet, held a class 
on how to read the air using visible moisture (clouds)accumulation in the 
sky and then headed to the winch to begin his nearly 3 hour adventure. Most of 
the time the 16' span was difficult to see due to his altitude, especially when 
he flew into a cloud. Spoiler deployment and up elevator eventually resulted in 
the plane tumbling back into view. Others, like Merrill Brady, Henry 
Aranceand Major Anderson, followed Larry's lead and while they had great 
flights couldn't keep up with the Comet. Sadly, Henry had to bail out of his 
thermal due to visibility issues and his Aquilitos shed a wing panel. The plane 
was destroyed but we all marveled as the shed wing went back up and eventually 
disappeared in the clouds.

The BBQ was fired up and lunch was served. Larry 
was still up there so he and his dog Baron shared a hotdog that was delivered to 
the flight line. Eventually Baron got bored and took a nap but woke up in time 
to see Larry land just short of 3 hours. That time, however, wasn't enough to 
have the longest flight in Ray's contest. It seems Arizona had some pretty good 
air too..

Overall, a great way to start a new year. Good 
friends, good weather, good contest, good memories. You can see how some of us 
did at http://www.swsapopoff.8k.com/PostalContest010105.htm. 
Pictures will be up soon.

Dan


Re: [RCSE] CASL PILOTS LIST?

2004-12-27 Thread Dan Borer



Right here: http://www.public.asu.edu/~vansanfo/casl/swc_data/entrants05.htm

Dan

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  DANIEL FINK 

  To: Soaring 
  Sent: Monday, December 27, 2004 12:15 
  PM
  Subject: [RCSE] CASL PILOTS LIST?
  
  Is there a pilots list posted yet for Southwest classic?
  
  Dan Fink


[RCSE] Fw: Postal Contest

2004-12-23 Thread Dan Borer




- Original Message - 
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2004 5:54 AM
Subject: Postal Contest

Subject: January 1, 2005 Postal Contest

2nd Annual International Postal Contest, 

Ray Hayes Contest Director
Dear Ray,
The Silent 
Wings Soaring Association of Covina, California is pleased to announce that we 
will participate in the Second Annual International Postal contest.
SWSA is a 
little club of approximately 75 soaring members with monthly contest attendance 
of 45-50 entries. 
(We would 
appreciate being notified of any club that has a regular monthly contest with 
greater attendance.)
Larry Jolly is 
one of our members and Joe Wurts, Daryl Perkins and other dignitaries often 
visit and participate in our contests. We have even been blessed with visits 
bythe internationally famousambassador of gliding, Gordy 
Stahl.
Didn't our 
Larry Jolly win both of the classes in the January 1, 2004 contest?
All pilots 
appearing on the field on January 1, 2005 will be asked to participate in the 
contest. We are encouraging everyone with a qualifying woody to fly it in the 
contest, but we will welcome the full house folks as well.
Following are 
the names of some of the pilots that are expected to bring woodys:

Larry Jolly

Dan Borer
Gene Hays
Major Anderson
Howard Little
Jeff Gortatowsky
John King
Doug McIntosh
Henry Rodriguez 
Mike Nation
Bruce Aveson
We hope to be 
able to post our scores along with photos shortly after the 
contest.


[RCSE] SoCal Contest Tomorrow

2004-12-11 Thread Dan Borer
Attention All Southern California Glider Pilots

The 2005 flying season of the Silent Wings Soaring
Association, SWSA, in Covina, California invites all glider
pilots to enter our monthly competitions.
The first contest will be held on Sunday, December
12, 2004. Sign up before 9:00 A.M.  The contests begin as
soon after 9:00 A.M. as possible. (We try to be very
tolerant of late arrivals, particularly guests.)
The entry fee is only $4.00.
Yearly club membership is only $24.00.
Periodic guests are eligible to earn the monthly
medals. Only members are qualified to receive the Flyer of
The Year trophies.
Our contests are held on the second Sunday of each
month at 9:00 A.M.
Our flying field is located on the grounds of the
Las Palmas Middle School, 641 N. Lark Ellen Avenue, Covina,
CA 91722. The school is 200 yards north of the intersection
of Lark Ellen Avenue and San Bernardino Road in the City of
Covina.
We try to have fun. Periodic guests such as Joe
Wurts, Darrell Perkins and members Larry Jolly, Edgar Vera,
John Erickson and Alex Eremenko make for some of the
toughest competition to be found anywhere.

Special Notice to ISS Club Members
Gene Hays advises that frequency 36 is off limits to
all ISS members:):)

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Re: [RCSE] So Cal this w/e

2004-10-15 Thread Dan Borer
Daryl--

We're having our SWSA annual Night Fly/Potluck on Saturday
at 4:30 PM. Flying begins at dusk with the longest two
flights winning and landings are optional..

Dan

- Original Message - 
From: Daryl Perkins [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, October 15, 2004 8:43 AM
Subject: [RCSE] So Cal this w/e


 Looks like I'll be spending this w/e in So Cal. Any
 contests anywhere?

 Bring your singles boys... Daryl needs a new
 Lancair ;-)

 D

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[RCSE] SWSA April Contest

2004-04-06 Thread Dan Borer



Hello All--

This is just a reminder to let everyone know that 
the April contest at SWSA will be on Saturday, April 10 at 9:00. Be sure 
to note that I typed Saturday as Sunday is Easter and many will have 
other activities planned. The contest will be CD'd by Frank Corsaro 
andflights of 4, 3 and 10 minutes with 40 point runway landings are 
tentatively scheduled.

If you have some free time on Saturday and want to 
compete with some of the best sticks in SoCal, drop on by before 9:00 and join 
in the fun.

See http://www.swsa.8k.com/for 
directions.

Dan


[RCSE] SWSA Newsletter

2004-03-18 Thread Dan Borer
Hi All--


It's that time of the month when we used to look forward to
running out to the mailbox in anticipation of finding the
latest issue of the SWSA PopOff as soon as we saw the mail
person pull away. Thankfully there is no longer a need to
look in that old box on the curb as Editor Gene Hays has
moved us into the age of computers. Now anyone anywhere can
take a look at our club's March 2004 newsletter online at
http://members.aol.com/PopOffSwsa/Gateway.html .  Please
check your contest scores. Please report any and all
mistakes. Nothing is too large or too small to correct.

Enjoy.

Dan


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[RCSE] SWSA Contest Results

2004-03-14 Thread Dan Borer



Today was a gorgeous day in southern California 
once the fog burned off. What made this day even better is the fact that the 
second Sunday of each month is the SWSA monthly contest. While we waited for the 
skies to clear, I passed out sheets of paper to all present. At the end of the 
pilot's meeting I started the watch and gave everyone five minutes to design and 
make a paper airplane. Can you imagine the sight of no less than 63 grown men 
simultaneously throwing paper airplanes at me? Congratulations to Keith Kindrick 
for the longest distance flown!

Next up was most likely the largest monthly club 
contest you'll find anywhere with sixty-three entrants. And tough competition 
too! Some guy named Joe stopped by and we were sure to keep him away from the 
basketball backboards this time. We couldn't keep him out of the trophy pictures 
though. See the unofficial scores at http://members.aol.com/PopOffSwsa/Gateway.html. 
Come back later this week for the full write up in our fine newsletter. 


Finally was our bi-monthly HLG contest run by Henry 
Rodriguez. A small turnout but still great fun to watch. Yeah, Joe flew that 
too, but for once todayhis trophy didn't have 1st Place on it asJohn 
Erickson was able to sneak into the lead.

Like I said, a gorgeous day in southern 
California

Dan




[RCSE] Invitation to SWSA's Hey Man, This Ain't Phoenix! Contest

2004-02-03 Thread Dan Borer
Here comes the first full weekend of February and there go a
bunch of glider guiders heading to Arizona. The SWSA group's
regular monthly contest was supposed to be this weekend but
was moved back a week so we could all go to the SWC and get
back home to fly the club event. Well, for some reason most
of us opted not to head east so we have decided to put on
the Hey Man, This Ain't Phoenix! contest this Sunday,
February 8th at the SWSA field in Covina, CA. All AMA fliers
are hereby invited to this one-time event. The details are:

Sign ups: 8:30
Pilot's Meeting: 9:00
Task: Three flight, 21 Minute Add'em Up, no maximum time
Landing: Standard 100 point tape
Awards: None
Food: Free BBQ hot dogs, chips and soda for everyone

The unusual twist to this event is that the field will also
be open to fun fliers throughout the event.

Oh yeah, there won't be any entry fee either. You will get
your picture taken so please be presentable.

Dan

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[RCSE] SWSA DLG Contest

2004-01-06 Thread Dan Borer
All HLG/DLG Enthusiasts--

SWSA's Handlaunch Contest
On Sunday, January 11, 2004, SWSA will host a handlaunch
contest open to all interested parties.
The handlaunch contest will follow SWSA's regular monthly
contest, which is also open to all interested parties. The
first flight of the regular monthly contest will be at 9:00
A.M., and the entry fee will be $4.00 per Class.

It is estimated that the handlaunch contest should start
about 1:00 P.M.
Entry fee for the handlaunch contest will be $5.00.
Henry Rodriguez will be the contest director.

Registration for the handlaunch contest will close at 11:30
so Henry and his assistants can get the participants entered
in the computer and have the matrix set prior to the contest
start.

Dan

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[RCSE] SWSA's New Year's Day Activities

2003-12-30 Thread Dan Borer



The forecast for New Year's Day looks very 
favorable at this time. I guess the storm clouds have been properly chastised 
and ordered to get their funk out of southern California for the Rose Parade. We 
are lucky to be unintended recipients of the same mandatory good weather. 
Therefore I will have the equipment out and set up by 9:00 am for a great day of 
fun flying and other festivities. Be sure to comb your hair, wear clean 
underwear and iron your pants. Sharp creases optional.

"Other festivities" you say? Yes! If you are a 
subscriber to the balsasailplanes Yahoo! group you already know about the postal 
contest for planes with built-up wings that is being conducted by Ray Hayes of 
SkyBench. The contest is being flown all over the country and the winner will be 
the person that is able to log the longest timed flight with a built up woody 
plane on New Year's Day. Entries are due in by 8:00 pm CST today and final times 
are due in by 8:00 pm January 1, 2004. The winner receives a $50 credit toward 
any SkyBench product. 

Gene Hays has proposed we do a similar and 
simultaneous event at our field open to anyone that flies with us on New Year's 
Day. I second the proposal and hereby set the rules:

1. Open to any and all planes (except 
slimers).
2. Launch by any means.
3. Must be timed by a designated timer of your 
choice.
4. Land anywhere you want.
5. Must land by 12:00 noon.
6. Unlimited launches.
7. Wear a smile.

The winner will be the pilot that has the longest 
flight recorded by noon. If you are in the air at 12:00 your timer will stop the 
clock and the time indicated will be recorded. Since we don't have the same 
financial resources as SkyBench, our award will be free soda(s) to whomever 
attempts a launch. You will also most likely be photographed (thus the 
previously mentioned dress code) and I'm sure the PopOff editor will make sure 
it is published for all to see. The flier with the longest recorded flight will 
get preferred placement in the PopOff in addition to the free 
sodas.

Come on out and have some fun with a great bunch of 
guys.

Dan

ps--See http://swsapopoff.8k.com/Dec03/Page01B.htmif 
you need to find out who we are and where we 
fly.


Re: [RCSE] Servo Covers???

2001-12-26 Thread Dan Borer

Merrill at http://www.mmglidertech.com/accessories.html will
have what you need.

Dan

- Original Message -
From: Joe G [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2001 1:55 PM
Subject: [RCSE] Servo Covers???


 Does anyone have a link to anyone who sells servo covers
with the fairing to
 cover the control rod?

 Therms,

 Joe





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Re: [RCSE] Nats/Visalia

2001-12-08 Thread Dan Borer

Tom--

Don't let the postmark statement fool or scare you. The only restriction is
that you cannot send it too soon. The entry window remains open until all
the slots are filled. All I had to do the past two years is print the
application form, fill in the blanks and drop it in the mail after the
application window opens. One of my club members sent his in weeks after the
applications were being accepted and he got in just fine.

I think the 'first come, first served' approach is just fine. And yes, my
entry to the SWC has been accepted. Entries are still open there also. Mail
in your application and come see me for some chili on Friday evening.

Dan


- Original Message -
From: Tom Broeski [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2001 6:19 AM
Subject: Re: [RCSE] Nats/Visalia


 The Visalia entry is limited by postmark and is difficult to get just
right if you've never done it.  They should allow so many per state
population, then if a state is not filled, have it by postmark.
 T



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[RCSE] SWC Chili Potluck

2001-12-05 Thread Dan Borer

Hey all you SWC campers--

Since the evenings at Phoenix are so quiet and boring (yeah, right!), how
about all of the folks camping at the SouthWest Classic this year get
together and put on a Chili Potluck on Friday evening. This would be a
perfect way to showcase your culinary skills, add the essence of the
southwest and get to meet everyone that we keep hearing from and about.

Whaddaya think? If there is enough interest I will see if I can get Dave to
add a note about it on the RCAZ web site.

Dan

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Re: [RCSE] Re: Bungee launching

2001-09-04 Thread Dan Borer

You ought to see my Patton Zero on the bungee! 35 feet of
the Hobby Lobby orange stuff pulled until it shrieks puts
the Zero into orbit. I have a tape-on tow hook that I mount
at the leading edge.

And yes, I will have it along with me at Visalia again this
year for some after hours entertainment. Any and all are
welcome to give the Zero a try..

Dan

- Original Message -
From: Mike Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2001 7:34 PM
Subject: Re: [RCSE] Re: Bungee launching


 Be careful when bungee launching a foamie expecially if it
is not built for
 it. I have pounded two of them when the speed over powered
the ailerons.
 Just start with a couple of pounds of pull and work up
from there unless the
 plane is built for it. I would say that a standard high
start can pull
 between 5 to 10 lbs. Maybe more but not much. If you want
more then double
 up the rubber. I have seen people launching DAW ME163's
with 1/2 tubing. It
 got a wow and a gasp from the on lookers every time.
Several hundred feet
 strait up after a horizontal release.
 Mike

 - Original Message -
 From: Lincoln Ross [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2001 7:39 PM
 Subject: [RCSE] Re: Bungee launching


  No pull data, but I suggest about a #6 screw (.138
major dia) if this
  plane is 5 feet or so and not carboned out.
  David Goebel wrote:
   Has anyone ever measured the pull a bungee is normally
exerting at
   launch when launching different planes?
  
   Or a high start?
  
   I'm trying to not over engineer a tow hook on a DAW
Mustang.
  
   Has anyone Hi-started a foamie combat plane?  Details
please.
  
   David Goebel
 
  --
  Lincoln Ross
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Re: [RCSE] re: Best soaring places to live

2001-09-01 Thread Dan Borer

Aw, come on Kristopher--in time you will get so used to this
lovely state that you will feel uncomfortable when you visit
elsewhere and have to breathe air you can't
see...plus you can't see the stuff in the water
anyway.

Dan

- Original Message -
From:  k harig [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2001 5:20 PM
Subject: [RCSE] re: Best soaring places to live


 No thanks, I already ruled out California.  I won't live
anyplace where the water has more chemicals than the paint.
Besides, I would NEVER win any contests  :)

 Kristopher
@airage.com

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[RCSE] So Cal PicoJet Race

2001-07-10 Thread Dan Borer

Just a reminder that there will be a stock PicoJet race at 12:00 this
Saturday July 14, 2001 at the Silent Wings Soaring Association (SWSA) field
in Covina, CA. Directions can be found at:

http://swsa.8k.com/cgi-bin/i/images/swsamap.gif

Dan

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[RCSE] PicoJet Race

2001-07-01 Thread Dan Borer

Hey all racers--

The Silent Wings Soaring Association (SWSA) and Multiplex
USA are hosting a Pico Jet pylon race at the SWSA field in
Covina, CA on Saturday, July 14th. Sign up will begin at
about 11:30 AM at the field and the first race should begin
at about noon. Our club winches will be set up for our usual
Saturday flying at 9:00, so come on out early and bring a TD
ship or a DLG and show us what you can do.

The race will be for stock Pico Jets only with a standard 7
or 8 cell battery pack and stock motor. Both the Standard
Pico Jet and Combat Pico Jet are eligible to enter. There
will be a tech inspection if anyone's Pico Jet seems too
fast and it will then be offered to our mascot and guard dog
Dudley. If you thought Tuff Puppy was hard on wings, wait
until you see what Dudley can do to a Pico!!

Look at http://swsa.8k.com/cgi-bin/i/images/swsamap.gif for
a map. Rumor is that Karlton might be offering a deal if you
need a new Pico Jet for the race.

More details will be posted as they become available. Entry
fee and prizes will be announced soon. Contact me at
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Dan


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Re: [RCSE] Eclipse

2001-06-22 Thread Dan Borer

Mike--

Buy the Futaba--it is a wonderful radio that will do virtually anything you
want. The versatility of being able to reassign switch functions and the
option to configure the open PMIX functions are worth much more that the few
bucks you might save getting the Hitec. There are a couple of vendors that
will sell just the TX for about $230. You won't be sorry...

Dan

- Original Message -
From: Michael Ackerman-Simpson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, June 22, 2001 8:56 AM
Subject: [RCSE] Eclipse


 While I was away on vacation, by the way I am back! I was reading an
 article on the new Hitec Eclipse and was wondering if anyone on the list
 had more to say about this Tx. It sure looked like it would fit the bill
 for the more frugal among us. It sounds like you can't re-assign
 functions to different sticks but it does seem like you can get it to do
 most things we need for slope racing and TD. I do not yet fly 6 servo
 ships but I would like to soon, so I have been eyeing this Tx and the
 Futaba 8UAF.

 Any comments other than, don't be such a cheap bastard, just but the
 Stylus! ?

 Mike in Arcata

 Home of the Persuasion Sloper
 http://www.northcoast.com/~crash/Index.html


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Re: [RCSE] NEEDED WINGROD

2001-06-11 Thread Dan Borer

Tom--

Check with Don at www.hilaunch.com . Custom stuff is available.

Dan

- Original Message -
From: Tom Broeski [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2001 3:53 AM
Subject: [RCSE] NEEDED WINGROD


 I need a wing rod for the Shadow
 1/2 x 14 with 5 deg bend

 Anyone have one or know a source?

 Tom

 --
 TG http://adesigner.com/invention
 32 Mount View Dr.
 Afton, VA  22920

 540 943-3356  Fax 540 943-4178


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Re: [RCSE] Highlander/non-foamie choice

2001-05-14 Thread Dan Borer

I would suggest the 2M Gnome from Midway for a first
built-up ship. $45 at Hobby People and able to take a real
winch launch. Can be built with or without spoilers. Flies
MUCH better than a Highlander and is quite durable for a
wood plane.

Dan

- Original Message -
From: Patrick Lanphier [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Patrick Lanphier [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: RCSE [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, May 14, 2001 7:10 AM
Subject: [RCSE] Highlander/non-foamie choice


 Well here is a real question.  The Highlander EPP with its
durability and
 great flight characteristics.  Can anybody think of a
plane that is a
 better foamie than the Highlander for performance and
durability?  And on
 the other side anybody know a non-foamie/crunchy that
could withstand the
 beating of someone learning to fly and provide better
performance than the
 Highlander?  Thank you for your time and thoughts.

 Patrick Lanphier
 The Artemis Group
 http://www.artemisgroup.com

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[RCSE] Pat McCleave

2001-05-08 Thread Dan Borer

Pat--

I don't have your new email address. Drop me a line so we can coordinate
Saturday's activities.

Dan

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Re: [RCSE] Sources for Hinge tape, reflecting tape

2001-04-25 Thread Dan Borer



Matt--

Check http://www.planes-wings-things.com/for 
all your tape needs. Paul offers nothing but the absolute best for our needs. 
And he is a great guy to deal with to boot

Dan

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Matt 
  Lydon 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2001 8:48 
  AM
  Subject: [RCSE] Sources for Hinge tape, 
  reflecting tape
  
  I'm finishing up my latest ship, and need some 
  tape. Clear Mylar tape (3M?) was recommended to me for hinge tape. Can I get 
  it locally, or is it a special order from a R/C supply house? Does the stuff 
  have a specific trade name? What do you guys use? I'd really like to be able 
  to pick some up locally, as I'll be ready to hinge tomorrow 
night.
  
  Secondarily, I want to put some reflective tape 
  on the leading edge to increase visibility. Recommendations? straight 
  shiny stuff, or the stuff with ridges that looks like hologram material; out 
  of a toy store, or is theresome special tape I should use. 
  
  Thanks,
  
  Matt


Re: [RCSE] Channel Swap (exchange) question

2001-04-04 Thread Dan Borer

Try this one:

http://members.aol.com/davthacker/radicalrcindex.htm

Dan

- Original Message -
From: "Jon Alder" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: "RCSE" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: "Aaron Alder" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 1:41 PM
Subject: [RCSE] Channel Swap (exchange) question


 Hey Folks,

 I can't seem to find the URL for "that guy" who has the
crystal swapping
 service. Anyone know what it is?

 Thanks,

 Jon
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Re: [RCSE] Bent Wing

2001-04-01 Thread Dan Borer

Perry--

Look here for their contest schedule:
http://home.earthlink.net/~cvrcsoaring/schedule.htm

Dan

- Original Message -
From: "Perry Hudson" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2001 7:37 AM
Subject: [RCSE] Bent Wing



 Haven't seen any paperwork on the Visalia bent wing yet.
They are having it
 this year, yes?

 Regards,Perry
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Re: [RCSE] extreme, extreme, extreme...etc.

2001-03-30 Thread Dan Borer

I don't know about the fields you fly at, but here in So Cal many of our
fields are surrounded by lots of houses, streets, churches, freeways and
millions of eyeballs. It is an unusual day when we don't have at least
several spectators stop by to look and ask questions.

First they want to know where the motor is and then want to know why we use
the a piece of string before we fly. Every one of us takes all the time
necessary to educate our guests and invite them in to give soaring a try.
They all look at all of the planes sitting around, especially admiring the
shiny moldies resting on their stands, but seem to be attracted to the
simple bent wing examples. I don't know if they fear the investment in a
moldie or realize the RES planes are more appropriate to begin with, but
most interest is in the simple wooden built up planes. A number of these
visitors come back again and again, finally accepting our invitation to join
us. Usually, in short order, a club member will then offer to give them an
older but fully serviceable plane to learn to fly with. It is with great
satisfaction that we watch our new member progress to the point where they
can launch, fly and land with only a few words of advice or encouragement.
The care they lavish on their old hand-me-down can teach us how we should
treat our planes.

Yes, this is a great hobby and bringing in the new fliers is definitely
worth the time and effort spent.

Dan
- Original Message -
From: "Chris  Phil" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: "Kevin O'Dell" [EMAIL PROTECTED]; "RC Soaring Exchange"
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, March 30, 2001 7:28 AM
Subject: Re: [RCSE] extreme, extreme, extreme...etc.


 on 3/30/01 1:04 AM, Kevin O'Dell at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  all i'm saying is that we should LOOK for ways to make this facet of the
  hobby more attractive to newcomers.
 Newcomers??? What??? There aren't any. So you can't make toy airplanes
more
 attractive. People either like it or they don't. And it they don't one can
 not make it more attractive. Besides...just what is unattractive about
this
 hobby anyway?

 One more turn Bozo. Anticounterclockwise please
 Phil and Christine Lontz
 Tucson in the winter
 Summer in your yard
 503 551 7030


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Re: [RCSE] porpoising solutions???

2001-02-16 Thread Dan Borer

I'm no rocket scientist, but correcting the decalage on my
Gnome fixed it for me.

Dan

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From: "Dave Seay" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2001 11:39 AM
Subject: Re: [RCSE] porpoising solutions???


 I would like to hear the comments on this as well.
 I've got an Xterm parked on the runway waiting for the
wind to calm down but
 I noticed the same thing with my LB2.

 I initially had the LB2 balanced right dead on and it did
the roller coaster
 too.  At first I added weight and it go it under control
but I did not like
 the increase in weight.  I removed the weight and trimmed
in a little down
 and after doing this several times, I got a happy medium.
I have a little
 extra weight and a little down trim and I like the way it
handles.

 Dave
 - Original Message -
 From: "Daniel Boyer" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Friday, February 16, 2001 2:20 PM
 Subject: [RCSE] porpoising solutions???


  I took my new Xterminator out for a test flight
yesterday evening (I found
 a
  field with well packed snow that I could walk on)...
First off I have to
  say that it floats like a dandelion (and this was in
VERY still air which
  was giving me air times of ~12 seconds with my 11.5oz
Zagi THL)...  The
  first throw, it glided out nicely but started trying to
porpoise... I
  brought it back to me and checked the CG... It was in
the dead center of
 the
  recommended CG.  I added pushed the battery pack to the
very front of the
  nose (moving the CG forward about 1/8") and gave it
another toss... it
 still
  porpoised so I brought it back and added a couple of
coins to the nose
  (bringing the CG about 1/4" ahead of the recommended
CG)... gave it
 another
  toss and it flew fine (although wasn't as responsive as
before.
 
  I added the weight to the front to correct the
porpoising, because in the
  past when my planes have done this, everyone at the
field said to just add
  nose weight.  I always end up with my CG's in front of
the recommended
 CG's
  because of the porpoising, but then I read about people
flying with cg's
  behind the recommend placement.  This has made me wonder
if moving the CG
  forward is truly the correct correction for the
porpoising.  Is there
  another correction for this porpoising tendency other
than CG movement?
 
  Thanks, Daniel
 
  BTW: I only got to toss the Xterminator about 5 times
b/c on the 5th time
 I
  decided to give the launch preset a try, so I switched
to the model memory
  that I thought I had programmed with the latest launch
preset setup...
 Gave
  it a toss, saw the plane starting to loop backwards so I
switch the preset
  switch back in the opposite direction to which it
responded by doing a
 nose
  dive (despite giving it full up elevator... I could see
that the elevator
  was still showing down, so this was not a stall...) it
hit the ground and
  cracked the fuse in numerous places (I have since fixed
it w/ about and
 hour
  of work)... I assessed the damage and determined that it
wasn't anything
  major, then I tried to figure out what happened... I
checked my mixing and
  quickly realized that I had chosen the wrong model
memory and that the
  switch had been having no effect, but instead my
throttle stick was in
  control (I was apparently hitting the throttle stick in
my paniced state
  causing the down elevator input).  ie: ALWAYS DOUBLE
CHECK YOUR MODEL
 MEMORY
  SELECTION!!! ;-)  I'm going to try to give it another
try this weekend if
  the snow holds off.
 
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[RCSE] SWC 2001

2001-01-15 Thread Dan Borer

Anybody looking for a ride to the South West Classic at
Phoenix? I have room for one passenger to keep me company
while rolling down the interstate. I'll have lots of room to
carry your stuff either in the bed of my truck or in my
fifth wheel trailer. This offer is for a ride only since the
trailer is being shared by someone arriving later.

I'll be departing early Friday morning and returning late
Sunday evening. Oh yeah, I'll be departing from Rancho
Cucamonga, CA. Sharing fuel costs would be a plus.

Dan

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Re: [RCSE] IMS show

2001-01-07 Thread Dan Borer



Dave--

Look here:

http://www.modelaircraft.org/programs/ims2001/ims2001.htm

Dan


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  From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
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  Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2001 5:28 
  PM
  Subject: [RCSE] IMS show
  I need info on when and 
  where the show is. TIA Dave Tracy Ca. 



Re: [RCSE] Visailla H/L fun stuff.

2000-09-30 Thread Dan Borer

Hey Arthur--

You forgot to mention "In the dark"!

Dan

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Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2000 8:26 PM
Subject: [RCSE] Visailla H/L fun stuff.


 How about an R/C truck tow, H/L contest-1 flight, all up
last down. Say 150'
 of line? Tape on a small hook, talk a buddy into loaning
you his old  off
 road R/C truck and lets do battle.
 Arthur.
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Re: [RCSE] slope racin in October

2000-08-29 Thread Dan Borer

This is from Jerry Craft a few weeks ago:

Sunday Oct 22nd SR2K MOM Temple Hill (Tentative)
All four classes are welcome, CD is Jerry Craft


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Subject: [RCSE] slope racin in October


 I am working on getting out to California mid October and
hittin the slopes
 for a couple of days.  Any slope races scheduled?

 Bruce Davidson
 Louisville, KY
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[RCSE] For Sale

2000-08-26 Thread Dan Borer

Here are a few item from the closetall prices plus
shipping.

Hitec Flash 4 FM (TX  chrgr)--channel 18...$40
Hitec Focus 4 FM (TX  chrgr)--channel 30..$35
Airtronics Legend sailplane w/servos$200
Multiplex Dart--partially
built.$75
Aquila XL w/3 Futaba
servos..$150
Epsilon HLG--well used but good flyer...$75
Monarch HLG--just add crystal--fair shape$150
48" Patton Aircraft foamie kit of your choice.$55

Reply privately with any questions. Pictures of all items
available upon request. Local So Cal delivery available.

Thanks for your time

Dan

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[RCSE] SmAC 2000

2000-08-14 Thread Dan Borer

Here are the first pictures of the action at the SmAC 2000
held at Temple Hill yesterday. I will be adding more
pictures and hopefully some video action soon. Some of the
picture files are a bit big, but the load time shouldn't be
excessive.

http://home.earthlink.net/~dborer/

Enjoy!

Dan

"It's hard to be a turkey when you soar with the eagles."

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[RCSE] Eclipse

2000-06-28 Thread Dan Borer

Hi all--

I'm looking for data and impressions on the F3J Eclipse.
Does anyone have any comments, good or bad?  I normally fly
club contests and the SC2 circuit. Would it be worth my time
and money to pursue one of these things?

Dan

"It's hard to be a turkey when you soar with the eagles."

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Re: [RCSE] California Contests, Fun-Flies, etc. in August?

2000-06-26 Thread Dan Borer

Silas--

Look for the SmAC 2000 (the biggest damn combat event ever)
on Sunday, August 13th at Temple Hill in LoCal. Take a look
at http://home.earthlink.net/~dborer/ for some pictures of
last year's event and some details on this year's event.
More details will be posted at
http://home.earthlink.net/~windrider007/ as they are
finalized. We expect to have all of the best combat fliers
in attendance (over 70 last year) and a huge raffle.

We look forward to seeing you there.

Dan

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 What contests and fun-flies are scheduled in Mid-August?
 Thanks in advance.
 -Silas-


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Re: [RCSE] Looking for Foamie Warbird

2000-02-19 Thread Dan Borer

 Hi Gang,

 I am looking to buy a foamie warbird for the upcoming
festivities at the MWSC
 at Lake Wilson Kansas.  My question is as follows, if you
could only have one
 warbird for both combat and foamie warbird racing which
one would it be?


Pat--

Check out what Patton Aircraft has to offer. All of them fly
great! Steve recently entered his 60" TA-152 in the F3F
series put on by Tom Copp and was able to finish in 12th
place. That was not a bad finish considering all of the
composite and molded ships entered. Here is the post listing
results:

Hey guys, I am missing a few entry fees from the last race.
You know who you
are! So I will turn out the lights and you can leave the
money on the
table
Get back to me or Mike Robinson with your entry
fee...please.
Tom
 1.Doug Reel - Apex II
 2.Brian Laird - Cavazos Blitz
 3.Tom Copp - F3F Kobra
 4.Mike Robinson - F3F Blitz (the "yourapeeon" one, oops
that's European)
 5.Ray Kuntz - RG14 F3F Eagle
 6.Mark Gatti - super V
 7.Bruce Beddoe - Yukon (early Eagle/SD8000 version)
 8.Augusto Arevalo - Hades
 9.Jerry Craft - Brisk II
10.John Stossel - Ellipse 3cam
11.James Turner - Yukon (newer Fletcher version)
12.Steve Patton - Focke-wulf TA-152 60" EPP
13.Robert Adomeit - Shrike
14.Robert Cavazos - Ginsu 60"
15.Brian Buaas  - Hades
16.Nathan Woods - Renegade 60"
17.Dan Field - Psyko
18.Colin Craft - Brisk II
19.Larry Jolly - F3B Eagle
20.Rob Burr - Synergy V
21.Mike Sheridan - Sierra

Steve's Spitfire is also a fast flyer and looks great. Take
a look at his product line at:
http://home.earthlink.net/~pattonacft/ .

Disclaimer: I regularly help Steve produce these fine kits
and maintain his web site, so I have an interest in
promoting his kits. However, take a look and I think you
will like what you see.

Dan

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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2000 12:06 PM
Subject: [RCSE] Looking for Foamie Warbird


 Hi Gang,

 I am looking to buy a foamie warbird for the upcoming
festivities at the MWSC
 at Lake Wilson Kansas.  My question is as follows, if you
could only have one
 warbird for both combat and foamie warbird racing which
one would it be?
 Also, if anyone has a foamie they are looking to sell that
is still solidly
 airworthy please let me know.



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Re: [RCSE] Re: Twinstar pages?

2000-02-07 Thread Dan Borer



 "Stupid Twin Star tricks" was a thread on the RCSE for a
while because the
 plane just begs to be flown in odd situations.

 Lots of guys use the "Night Ops" light sets to fly their
twin stars at night.


The NiteOps HLG tow using the TwinStar at the Southwest
Classic was quite impressive!

Dan

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Re: [RCSE] SWC2000, Bethlehem and the Emperor

1999-12-21 Thread Dan Borer

Derek and Walter--

While I didn't buy a winch, I did drop $4500 on a used travel trailer so I
could have a place to take a nap between rounds. Anyone have any hints on
how to back this thing up???

Dan

p.s.--I was one of the lucky guys that snuck in just under the wire!

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To: Derek Boyer [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED];
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Cc: [RCSE] [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, December 20, 1999 9:57 PM
Subject: Re: [RCSE] SWC2000, Bethlehem and the Emperor


 Derek, you wanna hear cost to fly at SWC!

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[RCSE] Poway BOMBER Combat Results

1999-09-20 Thread Dan Borer

Hi all--

Well, here they are--the results for the Bomber Combat event
that Jerry allowed us to stage at his very successful and
fun Poway Combat Slope Race. Thanks Jerry for all the
support!

Before I tell you the results, here is what the event was
all about and the scoring details. The squadrons consisted
of four members--one bomber pilot and three
fighter/interceptor pilots. Two squadrons were launched for
a five minute engagement. The bomber was any EPP plane with
a 60" or larger wingspan. The fighter/interceptors were any
48" EPP plane. Scoring was one point for any contact with
your opponent's bomber; five points for a kill on your
opponent's bomber; one point for a kill on your opponent's
fighter/interceptor. The bombers were not allowed to make
any offensive maneuvers, only evasive maneuvers while flying
the CSR course. Fighter/interceptors could stay with the
bomber to protect it or attack the opposing bomber and
fighters. It didn't take long before all of the fighters
realized the bombers could do a decent job of evading the
enemy. The bombers in our event were one Highlander and
three 60" wings. The fighter/interceptors were mostly wings,
with a couple of Bandits and ME-262s thrown in for realism.

Two rounds were flown with the scores combined for the final
score. While the first round was slow as strategies were
formulated, the second round is where the action really
heated up. The flying became much more aggressive and the
crowd really got involved and cheered on their favorite
squadron. If you are looking for a way to liven up your next
event, this might just be the ticket.

First Place:  29 Points

Temple Hill Slope Squadron
Bomber Commander:  Woods
Robinson
Hitchborn
Patton

Second Place (Tie):  13 points

Bomber Commander:  Saunders
Gillman
Warner
Brooks

Bomber Commander:  LaFontaine
Burns
Vozenilek
Peterson

Third Place:  11 Points

Bomber Commander:  Harts
   Campbell
Woodfine
Greenwood

Thanks for your time.

Dan




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Re: [RCSE] Poway CSR Bomber Class

1999-08-11 Thread Dan Borer

Nate, old boy---

You been smokin' that wacky tabaccy agin???

 I don't know how fast the typical TG-3 is, but my
Highlander was about twice as fast as everyone else

Dan

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