Re: [RCSE] RES vs UNL vs DLG
I once got a several guys to build one or more Skeeters, and we all modified them so that there was not even one in the group that was stock. We flew the heck out of them all that summer and had more fun thermalling, sloping tree lines and backyard walls... it was really great. Mentioning that model sure brings back some fun memories! - Original Message - From: Bill's Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: RCSE soaring@airage.com Sent: Monday, August 04, 2008 3:18 PM Subject: Re: [RCSE] RES vs UNL vs DLG I think it is abundantly clear the path that is needed to be taken in soaring to restore it to all its glory. Yes, I am talking about the complete prohibition of all but one aircraft from soaring competition. The one and only aircraft that shall be used is the venerable Skeeter, and it MUST be built by the pilot. This will restore the need for building skills and also positively determine who the best pilot is. Anyone who can keep a Skeeter aloft from more than a few minutes truly is a a soaring God!! So there it is, the salvation of soaring is the Skeeter. Who'd a thunk it?? RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] unsubscribing
Thanks to all who pointed out to me that my email was formatted in HTML/RTF. I thought I had my default set to plain text. Problem is now solved and am leaving the list for the winter while I get my new business up and running (not enough time to deal with R/C of any kind for the next couple of months). See ya all in Phoenix area in Feb. Keith McLellan Northampton, PA
Re: [RCSE] Security issues and R/C models
Martin, Didn't mean to sound too serious in my previous reply, but it's just that I know what can be done with something like a model airplane, and I was really only responding to people's complaints about their model flying activities being curtailed temporarily when a security-sensitive "asset" is nearby. I am definitely against anything like our club flying fields being closed permanently for misguided security concerns! Also, I think we can all be as accurate as needed if we're trying to bullseye our timers!!! LOL!!! Keith
Re: [RCSE] V-tails, Euro-moldies suck for....
That's why I love my Sharon Profi!!! It has plenty of tail volume, a more acute angle between the tails and handles like a dream for such a big plane! Thermals out from a hand-launch pretty well, too! Keith McLellan Hawaii - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2001 12:25 PM Subject: Re: [RCSE] V-tails, Euro-moldies suck for [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Any one have comments on how the recent trend of light weight V-tail Euro-molded ships handle in a TD contest? Always hearing they don't fair well in the landing task. But then again the earlier ships were much heavier with higher wing loading. V-tails suck for landings Heavy planes suck for landings... Compared to full flying stabs on light airplanes.. The real issue is design. Most of the european V-tails are not designed to provide enough control authority. If they made the tail bigger and decreased the angle between the tails they would be much better. Put some current conventional tail models into Plane Geometry and then put in some of the European designs. Look at the numbers. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [RCSE] Hawaii Pilots are Lucky
For those of you interested in F3F racing, there is a move on to try to secure a site on Maui for the 2002 Viking Race (kinda the unofficial F3F World Championship). If we pull it off, who's coming? Keith McLellan Hawaii - Original Message - From: "Bill Swingle" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2001 5:56 AM Subject: [RCSE] Hawaii Pilots are Lucky The slope pilots in Hawaii are driving me crazy. Bikini babes, whales in the background, beautiful slopes, wind all the time, great temperatures... It ain't fair! Bill Swingle [EMAIL PROTECTED] Janesville, CA RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [RCSE] A note of interest for the F3J guys.
These are the kind of thoughts I had when I first read the post about the rule change. Flying in my one and only F3J contest a few years ago in England with a local club northeast of London, I saw that the most competitive pilots were flying very light weight, long-span gliders, towed up on light, stretchy mono (and where possible by guys who could run fast and were not all that big). They were using one-man tows, straight ahead, no pulleys, etc. Keith McLellan Hawaii - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; "James V. Bacus" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 26, 2001 8:34 PM Subject: Re: [RCSE] A note of interest for the F3J guys. I think there is no easy solution and banning tethered lines in very understandable to prevent similiar accidents in the future. For those not familiar with F3J towing (many in the US): you only have 5 minutes to run out on the field, stake your lines, and prepare before the flight. This process is often hurried and introduces some very real dangers. So, If everyone uses two towmen pulling straight (without a pulley) will it change the competitive advantage of having two big and strong guys? Kinda, in no wind to light wind situations you will want towmen that can run fast as well. They won't need to be quite as big because they now only have the tension of the plane, not 2X. The difference between "good" towmen and "bad" towmen will be more noticeable when not using a pulley, especially in light conditions. Since you won't be able to get line speed needed in no wind/light wind conditons having a specialized "light air" plane in your 3 airplane quiver would be advantagous (more so than previously) to make the most of the tension you do have. Does this change the weight of the line you would use? Maybe, I might try something extra light and stretchy in those no/light wind situations. Did I miss any possible stratedgy changes this might introduce? Mark Taylor Tower for Team US and Team Ukraine at 2000 World Champs. [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: "James V. Bacus" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2001 5:10 PM Subject: Re: [RCSE] A note of interest for the F3J guys ( gals, if appropro.) This does not sound well thought out... In the two man option the man who runs with the pulley is gonna get WHAPPED HARD if the man who is acting as the "spike" looses grip. Tows with out a staked in pulley, if even by two average men takes about twice the exertion to even getting close to what we think of as a competitive tow. Time for a different set of models now, and damn is that expensive. I personally liked it the way it was, maybe they should have spec'ed the equipment we should use or something a bit less drastic. Jim At 04:26 PM 3/25/2001, Les Grammer wrote: Off of the FAI exchange came the following announcement: _ British Association of Radio Control Soarers Thanks to Nick Neve UK delegate to CIAM Meeting for the information and to Chris Bishop, Chairman of BMFA SFTC who wrote the following:- Major change. With immediate effect as of Monday 26th March the F3B F3J rules will prohibit the tethering to the ground of any hand towline while towing. Two man towing is still is OK, as is the use of pulleys. Winch turnaround pulleys and bungee stakes are not affected by this ruling. Although this was not on the published CIAM agenda it was obvious that the subject of stakes and pulley towing was going to be discussed following the tragic death last year in Slovakia. This change has been introduced on the grounds of safety following that event. There had been late proposal from the Swiss backed by various other countries to introduce winches. It was unanimously (nearly) felt that banning the stake was a better solution and that F3J would not loses it's identity as a hand towed only event. For those able to get out and practice it gives you something to think about. Quite a few fliers have already come to realise that in windy conditions there is little to be gained from using a pulley and that a straight two man tow gives equal if not better results. In calm/light wind conditions one tower will now act as the stake but with the option of increasing the line speed by moving away from the tower with the pulley. There were no other major changes. Full details will be posted on the FAI web-site next week. There will also be a statement issued on participation in non FAI sanctioned International events. There's nothing new here but it will clarify the situation. Chris Bishop Chairman SFTC -Les Grammer, NWSS RCSE-List facilities provided by Model A
Re: [RCSE] beauty is only skin deep.
Hey there, Karlton. I'm with you! Look at the intro to the LSF site. It refers to the aesthetic beauty of soaring in the opening lines: "A slim, graceful, long-winged craft arcs upward smoothly and steeply into the summer sky, accompanied only by the faint whistle of air accelerating past its gleaming surfaces.". While Bill is correct in stating that you don't get points for your glider's "looks" in a contest, you will earn the admiration of your fellow pilots for a clean, well built and beautifully finished model, regardless of type! Some of the lightest, strongest and best engineered models I've seen, and that includes good 'ol fashioned built up models, were also the most beautifully finished models. It shows a real attention to detail and a striving for technical excellence when someone goes to the trouble of engineering and then finishing a plane so that it looks as good as it flies, two goals that are not often compatible. Besides, a good looking plane is jus' w cl... :-) Keith M Hawaii - Original Message - From: "Bill Johns" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2001 4:39 PM Subject: [RCSE] beauty is only skin deep. At 06:22 PM 2/26/2001 -0800, Karlton Spindle wrote: This is an aesthetic sport and L@@KS do count... ...for what? They give points for time, sometimes for speed around pylons, sometimes for precision landings. I've not seen anyone, anywhere give beauty points. And if you don't pile on gobs of paint, the plane will weigh less and go higher and you can't tell it's ugly when it's 500 feet over your head. Bill -- There is no such thing as a pretty good alligator wrestler. Bill Johns Pullman, WA RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [RCSE] SouthWest Classic 2001 - Team 'N Sink Picture Pages
Skip's photos are great, but does anyone have any photos of the whole group? There are a bunch of us that are cut off on the right of the group photos on Skip's page. Keith M Hawaii - Original Message - From: "Skip Richards" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2001 11:50 PM Subject: [RCSE] SouthWest Classic 2001 - Team 'N Sink Picture Pages Team 'N Sink had a great time at this year's SWC... Finally got the new Hera flying (Just barely, like the day before!) First round was literally the first time it had been winch launched... had about 20 launches off my super highstart the day before. So, we had a pop-off, and spent a couple of rounds getting the plane tuned... Watch out next year! Hope you enjoy the pictures: http://members.home.com/skip.richards/swc01/page_01.htm http://members.home.com/skip.richards/swc01/page_02.htm BTW, Netscape seems to read these pages ok, but I checked with MS IE and had trouble with Page_01. Let me know if anyone experiences the problems I did with IE having trouble with the links on the bottom of the first page. Check out JOE WURTZ in the big group photo - His sailplane looks like it's balanced on his finger tips and is a good foot higher than the rest of the crowd - and he's NOT that tall - no offence Joe! Skip "Team 'N Sink" Richards +---+ ** ** **Skip Richards - WB7VXM ** ** Phoenix, AZ ** ** AMA 536167 ** ** ** ** http://members.home.net/skip.richards/ ** ** ** +---+ RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [RCSE] SouthWest Classic 2001 - Team 'N Sink Picture Pages
My apologies to Skip! In my haste to view evrything on his site, it never
occurred to me to scroll horizontally when viewing the panoramic group
shots!! Great photos, Skip!! However, for some reason, when I click on the
first ("full size") photo link, it won't load for me, though all the others
do.
Keith M
Hawaii
- Original Message -
From: "Skip Richards" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: "Keith McLellan" [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2001 8:07 AM
Subject: Re: [RCSE] SouthWest Classic 2001 - Team 'N Sink Picture Pages
Keith, not sure what you mean... Are you talking about the panorama
group shot. If so, scroll to the right... they're there! If it's
another shot, let me know what the caption says and I'll go check it
out on the original picture.
Skip
On Sun, 25 Feb 2001 08:00:06 -1000, you wrote:
Skip's photos are great, but does anyone have any photos of the whole
group?
There are a bunch of us that are cut off on the right of the group photos
on
Skip's page.
Keith M
Hawaii
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[RCSE] Crossing the launch area....
"Circling in the launch area is dumb, dangerous, and selfish. On rare occasions, it may be necessary to cross the launch area when out of lift, altitude, and ideas but the pilot does so at his own risk." -Chuck Anderson and at risk to everyone else trying to launch, too! It is never "necessary" to cross the launch area at low altitude. Just "be a man", :-) and accept that you blew it and land out instead of selfishly delaying the launch cycle, risking a midair or fouled winch line or even possible injury to others. A pilot should be smart enough to know when it's time to head out if he or she is working a part of the sky that places the launch area between the glider and the landing area. Keith M Hawaii RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [RCSE] highstart and backside air
Dieter, I'll just make sure to bring my toxic waste disposal gloves and maybe an anti-radiation suit for good measure! Keith RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Fw: [RCSE] Landings: a complete waste of time?
- Original Message - From: "Keith McLellan" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "Dennis Phelan" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2000 10:33 PM Subject: Re: [RCSE] Landings: "a complete waste of time"? Dudes, I'm not a skeg guy but you're missing one point. How many seconds was he off the "Mark" when he touched down? Dennis Milt was off 8 sec on his worst attempt, and probably on average about 3 to 4 secs. Mine were on average within 2 secs. That's stopping the time on touchdown, not when the model stopped sliding, though at best that was only 1 to 3 sec. Why doesn't everyone just go out and TRY it? I'm sure you'll be pleasantly surprised! Keith M Hawaii RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[RCSE] (RCSE) Landings, etc., etc.......
I'm planning on holding a TD contest sometime next year with a precision landing task that will be a "real" test of skill: a 1.5m wide "runway" that is 7m long - if the nose of the model stops anywhere in the first 2m it's 25pts., in the second it's 50pts, in the 3rd it's 75pts. and in the last meter 100pts., with a big ZERO for going past the end of the runway or for landing "short". Now for the real "ba--buster"! The ENTIRE fuselage of the model (includes the bottom of the trailing edge of the rudder) must rest within the 1.5m lateral boundaries of the runway! So that means no coming in from the side, or landing outside and spinning or sliding your nose into the box. Won't work here. You'll have to be able to accurately fly your plane precisely down a centerline to a controlled landing. If there is a crosswind, well then you better know how to coordinate rudder and ailerons properly (gee, we have to do that with power planes all the time). Too much of a challenge? Oh, well. There's a bunch of guys in SoCal that have been doing this for years with slope gliders of all kinds, without the benefit of flaps or "crow", etc. and going a lot faster than most TD ships will ever have to on landing. Now, that's just the landing task! The soaring tasks will be just as creative! First round is a 7 min "warm up" duration with the precision landing, with 1pt per second deducted for up to 10 sec off the mark, and 2pt per sec for 11 up to 20 sec off, and finally, 3pt per sec for anything over 20 sec off the mark. The second round will consist of a 12 min task and precision landing, with the same scoring. The third will be a 10 min task with precision landing, but will have the added challenge of having a prescribed path to be flown after launch before being able to chase thermals (and yes, that means if you fly through a thermal before you complete that path, you just have to keep going until you reach the "release point" at the end of that flight path). The flight path chosen will be very easy to fly and to enforce, and relatively short. So there you have it folks! Anyone interested in competing in such an event, email me offline. I'd like to hold this contest someplace in SoCal this summer, but I'll consider going to any field in the country and CDing it personally, with support from any club willing to host it! The contest could be flown as a two day "IronMan" event with additional tasks that I have thought of to test the all around skills of the pilots involved. Any takers? Keith M Hawaii ...have jet, will travel. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
