[RCSE] 2-meters suck....??? Sure they do, but they do look Cool??!?!? Well some do....

2005-02-11 Thread Flying High
Les and Craig get my vote on 2M flying.  THEY MAKE YOU A
BETTER TD PILOT for the bigger stuff!!!  Too bad you don't
see many contest with 2M class these days, just like the
standard class that has come and gone... flying the shorter
wingspan stuff does sharpen your skills, another reason why
I've improved very slightly over the past years.  Practice
and Practice is still the key as we all know it but you
should learn to be some what a Jack of all trades... is
that the saying???  
2M pilots do need more friends!  Hey, you don't have to
listen to me, but it would be nice to see more pilots
compete in this class.  Okay, what is the 2M to get??? 
Which ever one you feel comfortable flying and feel it will
give you an edge!  There's still many models out there to
fill your needs, I fly an Organic only because it's cool
looking, not because it floats like a feather or penetrates
in windy conditions or because it lands on a dime!  I would
never fly a glider that does all that!  I fly the ORGANIC
just because of it's looks!!!  :-)

Friends don't let Friends fly UGLY 2M gliders

Edgar
the Soaring Junkie

--- Les Grammer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Oh, ow! ow! ow! ow! ow??!!!
 
 I've sat here on the sidelines for what, 4 years now,
 watching sporadic 
 attacks on 2-meter.  Just grin and bear it has been my
 mantra.
 
 But now, our national champ comes out and says 2-meter's
 suck??  Ow, oW OW!!!
 
 How many of you got started with a 2-meter?  When a new 
 pilot finally 
 shows up at our flying field, more often than not they
 are flying a 
 2-meter.  They only move on because everyone wants the to
 look good by 
 max'ing every flight (more easily, as skill requirements
 to do so with 
 2-meter are much higher), thus off to open they float.
 
 I find 2-meter great fun!  Hot rods of the sky, able to
 leap tall buildings 
 in a single bound (if there's lift).  And yea, as I grow
 old(er) any my 
 eyes become a problem and reflexes slow, I'll slowly
 leave 2-m behind and 
 move to a bigger RES (along with open).  2-meter is not
 for the faint of 
 heart.  But I'll always have a soft spot for a good,
 full-house 
 work-it-across-the-sky hot rod of a 2-meter.  I think
 2-m;s provide a much 
 better test of your flying skills than open or res planes
 do.  And yea, 
 they suck when there's no lift!  But hey, they provide a
 good separation of 
 the pilots from the flyers.  It IS easier to fly a
 bigger plane.  That's 
 part of what makes it so interesting.  I guess you have
 to put me into that 
 die-hard 2-meter camp.
 
 This is all said with the utmost respect to Daryl.  No
 attack on his 
 opinion is intended.  He is the champ, afterall!   But
 hey, I (and you) 
 don't HAVE to agree with him.  Hell, here in Washington,
 that would imply 
 I'd have to listen to the guidance of governor Gregoire
 ... no, make that 
 governor Rossi ... no, Gregoire ... oops, no make that
 Rossi again ... 
 sigh, now Gregoire ... now HUH?  (think I'll move to
 Idaho!)
 
 2-meter friends just need more friends!  :-)
 
 -Les Grammer
 -NWSS (Super V rules!!)
 
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Re: [RCSE] 2-meters suck....??? Sure they do, but they do look Cool??!?!? Well some do....

2005-02-11 Thread John Erickson
Edgar,

You just gave me an idea for flying 2 meter.  I have a number of hand launch
planes just sitting around, including my original Photon.  It's good looking
enough to qualify.  Let's see, a little tape on tow hook, a baby sized skeg
and voila, I've got an 11 ounce (undersized) 2 meter.

JE
--
Erickson Architects
John R. Erickson, AIA

 2M pilots do need more friends!  Hey, you don't have to
 listen to me, but it would be nice to see more pilots
 compete in this class.  Okay, what is the 2M to get???
 Which ever one you feel comfortable flying and feel it will
 give you an edge!  There's still many models out there to
 fill your needs, I fly an Organic only because it's cool
 looking, not because it floats like a feather or penetrates
 in windy conditions or because it lands on a dime!  I would
 never fly a glider that does all that!  I fly the ORGANIC
 just because of it's looks!!!  :-)
 
 Friends don't let Friends fly UGLY 2M gliders
 
 Edgar
 the Soaring Junkie

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Re: Re: [RCSE] 2-meters suck....??? Sure they do, but they do look Cool??!?!? Well some do....

2005-02-11 Thread ssallenbach
I agree. 2m suck. So I am offering my services to any of you out there that 
feel the same way.  I will be more than happy to purchase your used organic 2m 
off of you and dispose of it properly. You shouldn't have to go through the 
pain of owning one anylonger.  This can be a discrete transaction. You can 
contact me offline so your friends don't find out that you ever owned one. :) 
Also, John E., if you want to ever get rid of a handlaunch that is just sitting 
around not being used, I'm looking to purchase one to get started with. Discus 
launch preferred. Let me know, I will be at the SWSA contest this weekend.
Steve Sallenbach

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 From: John Erickson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: 2005/02/11 Fri AM 11:06:01 CST
 To: Flying High [EMAIL PROTECTED], 
   Les Grammer [EMAIL PROTECTED], 
   Soaring List soaring@airage.com
 Subject: Re: [RCSE] 2-meters suck??? Sure they do, but they do look
   Cool??!?!? Well some do
 
 Edgar,
 
 You just gave me an idea for flying 2 meter.  I have a number of hand launch
 planes just sitting around, including my original Photon.  It's good looking
 enough to qualify.  Let's see, a little tape on tow hook, a baby sized skeg
 and voila, I've got an 11 ounce (undersized) 2 meter.
 
 JE
 --
 Erickson Architects
 John R. Erickson, AIA
 
  2M pilots do need more friends!  Hey, you don't have to
  listen to me, but it would be nice to see more pilots
  compete in this class.  Okay, what is the 2M to get???
  Which ever one you feel comfortable flying and feel it will
  give you an edge!  There's still many models out there to
  fill your needs, I fly an Organic only because it's cool
  looking, not because it floats like a feather or penetrates
  in windy conditions or because it lands on a dime!  I would
  never fly a glider that does all that!  I fly the ORGANIC
  just because of it's looks!!!  :-)
  
  Friends don't let Friends fly UGLY 2M gliders
  
  Edgar
  the Soaring Junkie
 
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Re: [RCSE] 2-meters suck....??? Sure they do, but they do look Cool??!?!? Well some do....

2005-02-11 Thread Cal Posthuma
WMSS (formerly the GVRC) has had a Two Meter Championships for over 25 
years.  This Summer it is on August 20-21 near Grand Rapids Michigan.  It 
has always been a MON on Man event.  It inspired the Nats MOM format.  Just 
ask Jim Thomas or Mike Stump.

By the way Jim Thomas email me as I lost your email address in a computer 
crash.

- Original Message - 
From: Flying High [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Les Grammer [EMAIL PROTECTED]; exchange soaring@airage.com
Sent: Friday, February 11, 2005 11:35 AM
Subject: [RCSE] 2-meters suck??? Sure they do, but they do look 
Cool??!?!? Well some do


Les and Craig get my vote on 2M flying.  THEY MAKE YOU A
BETTER TD PILOT for the bigger stuff!!!  Too bad you don't
see many contest with 2M class these days, just like the
standard class that has come and gone... flying the shorter
wingspan stuff does sharpen your skills, another reason why
I've improved very slightly over the past years.  Practice
and Practice is still the key as we all know it but you
should learn to be some what a Jack of all trades... is
that the saying???
2M pilots do need more friends!  Hey, you don't have to
listen to me, but it would be nice to see more pilots
compete in this class.  Okay, what is the 2M to get???
Which ever one you feel comfortable flying and feel it will
give you an edge!  There's still many models out there to
fill your needs, I fly an Organic only because it's cool
looking, not because it floats like a feather or penetrates
in windy conditions or because it lands on a dime!  I would
never fly a glider that does all that!  I fly the ORGANIC
just because of it's looks!!!  :-)
Friends don't let Friends fly UGLY 2M gliders
Edgar
the Soaring Junkie
--- Les Grammer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Oh, ow! ow! ow! ow! ow??!!!
I've sat here on the sidelines for what, 4 years now,
watching sporadic
attacks on 2-meter.  Just grin and bear it has been my
mantra.
But now, our national champ comes out and says 2-meter's
suck??  Ow, oW OW!!!
How many of you got started with a 2-meter?  When a new
pilot finally
shows up at our flying field, more often than not they
are flying a
2-meter.  They only move on because everyone wants the to
look good by
max'ing every flight (more easily, as skill requirements
to do so with
2-meter are much higher), thus off to open they float.
I find 2-meter great fun!  Hot rods of the sky, able to
leap tall buildings
in a single bound (if there's lift).  And yea, as I grow
old(er) any my
eyes become a problem and reflexes slow, I'll slowly
leave 2-m behind and
move to a bigger RES (along with open).  2-meter is not
for the faint of
heart.  But I'll always have a soft spot for a good,
full-house
work-it-across-the-sky hot rod of a 2-meter.  I think
2-m;s provide a much
better test of your flying skills than open or res planes
do.  And yea,
they suck when there's no lift!  But hey, they provide a
good separation of
the pilots from the flyers.  It IS easier to fly a
bigger plane.  That's
part of what makes it so interesting.  I guess you have
to put me into that
die-hard 2-meter camp.
This is all said with the utmost respect to Daryl.  No
attack on his
opinion is intended.  He is the champ, afterall!   But
hey, I (and you)
don't HAVE to agree with him.  Hell, here in Washington,
that would imply
I'd have to listen to the guidance of governor Gregoire
... no, make that
governor Rossi ... no, Gregoire ... oops, no make that
Rossi again ...
sigh, now Gregoire ... now HUH?  (think I'll move to
Idaho!)
2-meter friends just need more friends!  :-)
-Les Grammer
-NWSS (Super V rules!!)
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Re: [RCSE] 2-meters suck....??? Sure they do, but they do look Cool??!?!? Well some do....

2005-02-11 Thread Rick Eckel
Anybody who flies 2-meter is a friend of mine!  Anyone who dislikes 2m I 
just don't get.

Thanks
Rick
At 11:35 AM 2/11/2005, Flying High wrote:
2M pilots do need more friends!
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Re: [RCSE] 2-meters suck....??? Sure they do, but they do look Cool??!?!? Well some do....

2005-02-11 Thread Flying High
I'm glad Les and Rick are my buddies!!!
2M Rules  Open class is for lame ducks!

Edgar
The Soaring Jukie

P.S.  Just having fun while at work... you know... the
boring thing I do to kill time until the weekend :-)



--- Rick Eckel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Anybody who flies 2-meter is a friend of mine!  Anyone
 who dislikes 2m I 
 just don't get.
 
 Thanks
 Rick
 
 At 11:35 AM 2/11/2005, Flying High wrote:
 2M pilots do need more friends!
 
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RE: [RCSE] 2-meters suck....??? Sure they do, but they do look Cool??!?!? Well some do....

2005-02-11 Thread Douglas, Brent
We still fly 2-Meter here in Dayton, prior to our unlimited club
contests... Mostly we do it to humor Jerry; he just loves that 2M Super
V.  Really, it's scary.

Is it 5 yet?




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Re: [RCSE] 2-meters suck....??? Sure they do, but they do look Cool??!?!? Well some do....

2005-02-11 Thread Klaus Weiss
The annual 2m discussion time on RCSE.  Lots of good TD pilots, just can't
afford to buy the molded and composite gliders flown by the 'extra good'
glider pilots.  I know at least that is the case in Australia.  We have a
very successful 2m TD comp series here, which is well attended and a lot of
fun.  Tomorrow is the second round of seven comps through the year (yes we
get to fly ALL year) and we expect around 25 - 30 pilots competing.  That is
very good, considering R.C. is tiny here, in comparison to the USA or
Europe.  Two weeks time we have the Heathcote Cup Open class TD comp.  There
is also a 2m class incorporated into the comp, and some of those pilots
figure pretty strongly in the top results, beating a swag of molded gliders
in the process.  Gordy is going to try and get a trophy in this comp, and
seeing he flies and practices almost daily, I will be surprised if he
doesn't.  Anyway, 2m is healthy in NSW, Australia.


Klaus Weiss
Sydney, Australia.
http://www.hsl.org.au
- Original Message - 
From: Flying High

 I'm glad Les and Rick are my buddies!!!
 2M Rules  Open class is for lame ducks!

 Edgar
 The Soaring Jukie


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