Re: [RCSE] Another Fazer question
Hi Gordy: I am up in Ottawa, Canada. We are just starting to defrost so I am rushing around trying to get everything setup for spring flying and dust off the cobwebs. Your certainly welcome to come gliding with us any time :). Corey On 3/13/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Cory, Sooner or later I end up flying on everyone's flying site in the world since I travel with my sailplanes. While I'm no big shot expert like js, I do fly RC sailplanes more places, more often with more fun guys than anyone else in the world...So I am always looking for new contacts to spend a day soaring having fun! RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Another Fazer question
A question for all you Fazer pilots. With the HQW 2/8 airfoil I have heard comments about slaving the camber to the elevator channel or using the left stick for camber instead of flaps/crow. Are people running this glider in a normal configuration or how are people using camber more dynamically? There is apparently a competitor in Europe who works the camber as much as the stab and has led him to good results. FYI I curently run my Eraser Extreme with the camber on my left slider, only active in thermal mode and then 3 other preset modes for launch, speed, and cruise. I have the left stick set for crow. Thanks for your comments. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Another Fazer question
Well Corey why would you change from slider to stick? If you have a slider use it. I assume you are talking Stylus or 9303 I always setup for Crow on landing. Setting the stick up and having to switch from camber to landing mode introduces a new problem...you'll forget to switch... I fly the Stylus and the slider is camber while the stick is landing. I have watched many pilots forget to switch to landing mode on the JR and Futaba radios... They lose the landing... Now you can also program a switch for a predetermined camber... This can be very efficient too. You have to know what the specs are for the wing you are dealing with. And if you do, you can still use the slider to eek out little amounts when necessary. or go for broke when you are in an elevator and ascending at mega feet per second... Corey Groves wrote: A question for all you Fazer pilots. With the HQW 2/8 airfoil I have heard comments about slaving the camber to the elevator channel or using the left stick for camber instead of flaps/crow. Are people running this glider in a normal configuration or how are people using camber more dynamically? There is apparently a competitor in Europe who works the camber as much as the stab and has led him to good results. FYI I curently run my Eraser Extreme with the camber on my left slider, only active in thermal mode and then 3 other preset modes for launch, speed, and cruise. I have the left stick set for crow. Thanks for your comments. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format -- Jeff Steifel RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Another Fazer question
The Tx is my old workhorse, a 9Z and I would change it so that the crow was always on the slider and the camber was always on the stick (opposite to current). I agree, I have seen too many accidents involving people whos controls changed depending on the mode they are in. Each control has only one function regardless of mode. The mode only changes the degree of function and crow is always available ( I don't like landing modes ). I guess my question could be refined a bit: How are pople flying the airfoil on the Fazer? Are most using mode switches for camber or are they really working and fine tuning the camber a lot? On 3/13/06, Jeff Steifel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well Corey why would you change from slider to stick? If you have a slider use it. I assume you are talking Stylus or 9303 I always setup for Crow on landing. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Another Fazer question
Well, can't answer the Fazer question. But most current airfoils aren't real good with camber. They are so clean that most don't like camber to cruise. Add a little camber and it becomes a pig... But in some air you can add camber, usually in positive air. As for the camber on the stick vs slider. I am curious why you are reveresed. It would be easier to fine tune camber using a slider than a stick. I fly two sticks. I mix my rudder, but once I am thermalling I hold rudder and adjust my ailerons all the time. so I would find it difficult to fine tune camber while flying rudder I guess the heli guys are good at doing 4 things at a time... but camber is such a critical thing, don't you feel that you are moving it too much if it is on your stick You mentioned a competitor in Europe, you really have to know your sources... Like if Gordy were to give you the advice you can pretty much chuck it.. If Joe or Daryl give you advice it is probably pretty sage advice. You must always know who your sources are and where they are coming from. That doesn't mean Gordy doesn't have good advice from time to time... you just have to know where it is coming from and measure it. There are alot of opinions out there. And opinions are like Now since you fly reverse, what does it matter what I think... It doesn't! Fly what you are comfortable with.. go test your theory on a dead air night and see how flying the camber affects your airplane. Then fly it with no camber and see. Fly it with elevator to camber and see (that usually is a good one to have)... fly it without... Corey Groves wrote: The Tx is my old workhorse, a 9Z and I would change it so that the crow was always on the slider and the camber was always on the stick (opposite to current). I agree, I have seen too many accidents involving people whos controls changed depending on the mode they are in. Each control has only one function regardless of mode. The mode only changes the degree of function and crow is always available ( I don't like landing modes ). I guess my question could be refined a bit: How are pople flying the airfoil on the Fazer? Are most using mode switches for camber or are they really working and fine tuning the camber a lot? On 3/13/06, Jeff Steifel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well Corey why would you change from slider to stick? If you have a slider use it. I assume you are talking Stylus or 9303 I always setup for Crow on landing. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format -- Jeff Steifel RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Another Fazer question
Some sections benefit from camber, and some don't. I believe the 2/8 was probably designed to use at least 1 degree, maybe 2. Generically speaking, the thinner sections are usually a bit more critical as to how much camber one can use. Pop a thermal, set your camber at 2 degrees and see how it works for ya... One of your questions was whether or not to couple the camber to the elevator function. That's not really an airfoil dependant question, but a personal taste question. I used to couple all my models that way, but I have since stopped doing that, and prefer to use my slider for thermalling. (For distance and speed tasks... that's another story) The Stylus has a detent at half travel... that's where I'll set my optimum camber setting for thermal. (If I spend the time to set it up) ;-) That still allows me more throw if I need it... and that's a long drawn out why and when article Your other question was whether or not to switch the side slider with the flap stick... NOO! If you're used to using the side slider, keep on using it. Don't start putting the camber on the flap stick just cuz some guy won a contest that way once... Using the flap stick for camber was a cheater fix for the older Junior radios... and it makes it hard to provide pure rudder input while cambering at the same time. I haven't really looked at the newer JR radios, but I believe they have addressed this issue... 'Bout time ;-) Just pokin some fun at the competition... D __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Another Fazer question
Daryl Perkins wrote: Using the flap stick for camber was a cheater fix for the older Junior radios... and it makes it hard to provide pure rudder input while cambering at the same time. I haven't really looked at the newer JR radios, but I believe they have addressed this issue... 'Bout time ;-) Just pokin some fun at the competition... The competition still has the ability to program the radio that way, if that is what you like. I've never done it that way. It was the only way to get things variable way back when on an inexpensive radio that did not have a slider. And while there isn't any automatic way of transferring model setups between different capability JR radios, the setting values are identical for almost all the values. Good thing you haven't looked at a 9303. ;-) RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Another Fazer question
Hi Cory, Sooner or later I end up flying on everyone's flying site in the world since I travel with my sailplanes. While I'm no big shot expert like js, I do fly RC sailplanes more places, more often with more fun guys than anyone else in the world...So I am always looking for new contacts to spend a day soaring having fun! I fly Pikes, Giants, Sharon and Supra's currently, so I'm no help on the Fazer thing. :-) I see Ben Clerx sent you a reply and he being a past world F3J champ and owner of a couple of Fazers likelymeans you can figure his advice is gonna be kind of worth reading a few times. He and I were flying Larry Jolly's Supra the other day in Los Angles. He'sis a transcontinental airline pilot, so he gets around the world a little too. So let us know where you are flying so we can hook up some day. Gordy Soaring LA last Thursday, Orlando Sunday, and in a motel in Savannah toniteMyrtle Beach NC for the rest of the week, but weather doesn't look too friendly for soaring that way right now.
