Re: [RCSE] Computer Guided Thermaling
At 01:34 AM 1/20/2006, you wrote: In a message dated 1/20/2006 1:44:50 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The old fashioned way? With a picolario stuck in your ear? I'm sorry... but i don't remember that from the old days You're too young - use of telemetering audio variometers in US RC soaring competition goes back to about 1969-70, at least two types were then commercially available. They were routinely used by a number of the more consistent winners. By the mid to late '70s, they had about the same must have status as the latest hi $ moldie today! Good Lift! I picked up a thermal sensor from Don Clark at the 74 SOAR Nats and used it for a couple of years. I found that I could do as well without it so stopped using it for everything except for initial trimming and cross country. When I was listening to the thermal sensor, I was not catching the little indications from the way the model was flying. The only time I had an advantage with the thermal sensor was when the model was directly overhead or at extreme visual range. Chuck Anderson RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] Computer Guided Thermaling
My father always said, about competition, that you can buy advantage, but you can't buy respect and admiration. I have the utmost respect and admiration for the guys that win without all the Big Buck equipment and the technical advantage. They fly in the spirit of competition that is only proud of winning on a level playing field. John -Original Message- From: Daryl Perkins [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 1:45 AM To: James V. Bacus; soaring@airage.com Subject: Re: [RCSE] Computer Guided Thermaling I am lucky to get out and soar the old fashioned way when I can. The old fashioned way? With a picolario stuck in your ear? I'm sorry... but i don't remember that from the old days funny thing is... the best I've ever seen Jim fly was at this past Nats, F3J when nothing was stuck in his ear Please people... since it's allowed in AMA competition... PLEASE use your picolarios since AMA allows it... and cuz you guys forget to fly the model while you're intently listening for lift;-) I'm sorry... but I feel the things should be disallowed in competition... Should we use them in hand launch too? D __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Computer Guided Thermaling
At 08:25 PM 1/20/2006, you wrote: The only time I had an advantage with the thermal sensor was when the model was directly overhead or at extreme visual range. --Chuck Anderson Chuck! Does this mean you are going back to using it again :-/ :-) !!?? Paul Clark, SKY PILOT, Osaka, Japan (AMA # 53 777 1) http://www.jesus4greaterasia.com/ http://www.jesus4greaterasia.com/skypilot/ SKY PILOT'S HANGAR--RCHLG-DHL AFICIONADO No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.21/235 - Release Date: 1/19/2006
Re: [RCSE] Computer Guided Thermaling
Daryl Perkins wrote: I'm sorry... but I feel the things should be disallowed in competition... I think you're just jealous that these guys can fly AND listen to the Picolario at the same time. I've even seen some of them walking at the same time!! I would have to hold my breath to do that. We each have our own personal limitations. No need to be envious of others with more talent!! WEM RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Computer Guided Thermaling
I am sorry but there is no such thing as a level playing field unless you count one design contest with all launching on club supplied equipment. Isn't a bagged plane full of carbon fiber and kevlar an unfair advantage over a built up wood model? Isn't an all molded model with the latest design and build tech an unfair advantage over even the bagged plane? Hey, a computer radio with all sorts of mixing is an advantage over a simple radio that only makes servos move according to the sticks. Should we get rid of all of the advancements of the sport because they are unfair? No! The thermal sniffer is no more advantage (generally much less actually) than the latest molded plane AND it costs a LOT LESS. The PILOT still has to fly the plane, do the task and make the landing. It is the pilot and their skills that makes up the major portion of the system that is a winning plane/pilot/team. Besides, if you want to fly without thermal sniffers, picolarios and the like just go fly F3B. There is no transmission allowed from the plane to the ground in F3B. Everybody has their own ideas of what is and isn't unfair equipment but read the rules for the event. If it is allowed in the rules then it is FAIR. If it isn't allowed in the rules then it isn't. michael On 1/20/06, John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My father always said, about competition, that you can buy advantage, but you can't buy respect and admiration. I have the utmost respect and admiration for the guys that win without all the Big Buck equipment and the technical advantage. They fly in the spirit of competition that is only proud of winning on a level playing field. John RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] Computer Guided Thermaling
Michael, You chose the word fair, not I. I was talking about the respect and admiration for skilled pilots, and the spirit of competition. Maybe they are different. You Think? John -Original Message- From: Michael Neverdosky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 12:05 PM To: Soaring Exchange Subject: Re: [RCSE] Computer Guided Thermaling I am sorry but there is no such thing as a level playing field unless you count one design contest with all launching on club supplied equipment. Isn't a bagged plane full of carbon fiber and kevlar an unfair advantage over a built up wood model? Isn't an all molded model with the latest design and build tech an unfair advantage over even the bagged plane? Hey, a computer radio with all sorts of mixing is an advantage over a simple radio that only makes servos move according to the sticks. Should we get rid of all of the advancements of the sport because they are unfair? No! The thermal sniffer is no more advantage (generally much less actually) than the latest molded plane AND it costs a LOT LESS. The PILOT still has to fly the plane, do the task and make the landing. It is the pilot and their skills that makes up the major portion of the system that is a winning plane/pilot/team. Besides, if you want to fly without thermal sniffers, picolarios and the like just go fly F3B. There is no transmission allowed from the plane to the ground in F3B. Everybody has their own ideas of what is and isn't unfair equipment but read the rules for the event. If it is allowed in the rules then it is FAIR. If it isn't allowed in the rules then it isn't. michael On 1/20/06, John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My father always said, about competition, that you can buy advantage, but you can't buy respect and admiration. I have the utmost respect and admiration for the guys that win without all the Big Buck equipment and the technical advantage. They fly in the spirit of competition that is only proud of winning on a level playing field. John RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Computer Guided Thermaling
I will quote and requote you on this one. You said, They fly in the spirit of competition that is only proud of winning on a level playing field. I am sorry but there is NO LEVEL PLAYING FIELD. The field is level only so much as is allowed by the rules. Something is either allowed by the rules and so is 'fair' and is 'a level playing field' or it is not. If it is not allowed by the rules then it is cheating. How might a thermal sniffer be more of an advantage than a far more expensive molded plane? It is JUST a TOOL that has to be use effectively to be any good at all. Funny, but at contest I have been to I don't seen many people flying Paragons with thermal sniffers but I see lots of molded or bagged planes without. It seems that the sniffer is not really much of an advantage if any at all. BTW Have you EVER seen an unskilled pilot with a sniffer beat a skilled pilot in ANY competition? I haven't. Please explain to me how a sniffer detracts from the spirit of competition. I just don't see it. michale On 1/20/06, John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Michael, You chose the word fair, not I. I was talking about the respect and admiration for skilled pilots, and the spirit of competition. Maybe they are different. You Think? John On 1/20/06, John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My father always said, about competition, that you can buy advantage, but you can't buy respect and admiration. I have the utmost respect and admiration for the guys that win without all the Big Buck equipment and the technical advantage. They fly in the spirit of competition that is only proud of winning on a level playing field. John RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] Computer Guided Thermaling
Michael, Fair, Cheating, etc... are all your words. I just repeated what my father said, you can buy advantage, but you can't buy respect and admiration. I also said that .I have the utmost respect and admiration for the guys that win without all the Big Buck equipment and the technical advantage. They fly in the spirit of competition that is only proud of winning on a level playing field. I did not say anything about the rules or the way contests are run. I only expressed my admiration for the spirit of a group of pilots I have observed. You are extrapolating things (very defensive I must say) from what I wrote. Please express only your thoughts and do not add your own interpretation to my comments. Thank You John -Original Message- From: Michael Neverdosky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 1:47 PM To: Soaring Exchange Subject: Re: [RCSE] Computer Guided Thermaling I will quote and requote you on this one. You said, They fly in the spirit of competition that is only proud of winning on a level playing field. I am sorry but there is NO LEVEL PLAYING FIELD. The field is level only so much as is allowed by the rules. Something is either allowed by the rules and so is 'fair' and is 'a level playing field' or it is not. If it is not allowed by the rules then it is cheating. How might a thermal sniffer be more of an advantage than a far more expensive molded plane? It is JUST a TOOL that has to be use effectively to be any good at all. Funny, but at contest I have been to I don't seen many people flying Paragons with thermal sniffers but I see lots of molded or bagged planes without. It seems that the sniffer is not really much of an advantage if any at all. BTW Have you EVER seen an unskilled pilot with a sniffer beat a skilled pilot in ANY competition? I haven't. Please explain to me how a sniffer detracts from the spirit of competition. I just don't see it. michale On 1/20/06, John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Michael, You chose the word fair, not I. I was talking about the respect and admiration for skilled pilots, and the spirit of competition. Maybe they are different. You Think? John On 1/20/06, John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My father always said, about competition, that you can buy advantage, but you can't buy respect and admiration.I have the utmost respect and admiration for the guys that win without all the Big Buck equipment and the technical advantage. They fly in the spirit of competition that is only proud of winning on a level playing field. John RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Computer Guided Thermaling
The problem is that RC (radio control) soaring is a TECHNOLOGICAL sport. You cannot do it without the use of technology. It is only a matter of, how much? You are getting into the symantics of rules except the rules you are using are only in your head because you did not state them so the rest of us have no way to know what is and is not allowed. I have NEVER seen ANY sport where competitors did not try to gain every advantage, technological or not that they could get. Good competitiors do it within the rules, bad ones break the rules. Even many years ago when I raced sailboats with people who embodied the corinthian spirit everyone did as much as they could to improve their equipment to the very best that they could. NO ONE would go into a race with gear less than what they could have. These people prided themselves on skill and sportsmanship but NEVER did they suggest that anyone should handicap themselves in any way that was not required by the rules. Do you actually have any opinion of your own to post on the subject of using thermal detection equipment in RC sailplane contests? I would guess that you don't like it but I don't know because you seem to want to just beat around the bush and hide behind something your father said. I am expressing MY opinions here. My dad did not fly RC. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
FW: [RCSE] Computer Guided Thermaling
Michael, My Dad did not fly RC! What was your dad's name? Ah, It couldn't be! You seem to be upset because I admire and respect pilots that persevere (and sometimes come out on top), and don't use hi technology. Get over it. Some people like apples and some like oranges. The discussion was about a new high-level technology item. If I recall several well-known soaring names had less that positive comments about the new technology. This is a forum for members to express opinions. Wouldn't it be boring if everyone had the same opinion? IE: If we all had the same opinion we would always fly one-design contests with same equipment; and I think we already may know your opinion on that one. John -Original Message- From: Michael Neverdosky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 6:08 PM To: Soaring Exchange Subject: Re: [RCSE] Computer Guided Thermaling The problem is that RC (radio control) soaring is a TECHNOLOGICAL sport. You cannot do it without the use of technology. It is only a matter of, how much? You are getting into the symantics of rules except the rules you are using are only in your head because you did not state them so the rest of us have no way to know what is and is not allowed. I have NEVER seen ANY sport where competitors did not try to gain every advantage, technological or not that they could get. Good competitiors do it within the rules, bad ones break the rules. Even many years ago when I raced sailboats with people who embodied the corinthian spirit everyone did as much as they could to improve their equipment to the very best that they could. NO ONE would go into a race with gear less than what they could have. These people prided themselves on skill and sportsmanship but NEVER did they suggest that anyone should handicap themselves in any way that was not required by the rules. Do you actually have any opinion of your own to post on the subject of using thermal detection equipment in RC sailplane contests? I would guess that you don't like it but I don't know because you seem to want to just beat around the bush and hide behind something your father said. I am expressing MY opinions here. My dad did not fly RC. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: FW: [RCSE] Computer Guided Thermaling
Not entirely true, the new technology was never really discussed and this thread was hijacked and morphed into a vario thread. And then even further morphed into using varios in contests. I have to say it's been quite amusing, but it's not what the thread started out to be. It was about soaring UAV's. At 08:30 PM 1/20/2006, John wrote: If I recall several well-known soaring names had less that positive comments about the new technology. Jim Downers Grove, IL Member of the Chicago SOAR club, and Team JR AMA 592537LSF 7560 Level IV R/C Soaring blog at www.jimbacus.net RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Computer Guided Thermaling
Imagine if your glider could sense thermals by onboard electronics and actually soar them by itself. http://hem.passagen.se/skj/engelska/NEWS2005.HTM Jim Downers Grove, IL Member of the Chicago SOAR club, and Team JR AMA 592537LSF 7560 Level IV R/C Soaring blog at www.jimbacus.net RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Computer Guided Thermaling
It would be like drinking de cafe coffee ... what would be the point of it :o) Ray Hayes http://www.skybench.com Home of Wood Crafters - Original Message - From: James V. Bacus [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Soaring@airage.com Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 7:14 PM Subject: [RCSE] Computer Guided Thermaling Imagine if your glider could sense thermals by onboard electronics and actually soar them by itself. http://hem.passagen.se/skj/engelska/NEWS2005.HTM Jim Downers Grove, IL Member of the Chicago SOAR club, and Team JR AMA 592537LSF 7560 Level IV R/C Soaring blog at www.jimbacus.net RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Computer Guided Thermaling
It would be like drinking de cafe coffee ... what would be the point of it That's how I feel about those who choose to use varios for TD contest flying What's the point? Fly the freakin' airplane... ;-) I'm kind of surprised that varios aren't being used in UAV's to sustain or extend flight. Pretty simple really. Or maybe they are and we don't know about it... With Joe having a hand in designing UAV's, the darn things probably thermal better than Bacus... ;-) D __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
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Imagine if your glider could sense thermals by onboard electronics and actually soar them by itself. Heck JB, I thought that was using a piccolario? I realize that it does not fly for you, but throw an FMA Co-Pilot in and you darn near have it. Pretty much takes all the fun out of it then I would think. Just could not help myself... Marc RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Computer Guided Thermaling
At 07:48 PM 1/19/2006, Daryl Perkins wrote: It would be like drinking de cafe coffee ... what would be the point of it That's how I feel about those who choose to use varios for TD contest flying What's the point? Fly the freakin' airplane... ;-) This technology makes a vario look like a ribbon on your antenna. I'm kind of surprised that varios aren't being used in UAV's to sustain or extend flight. Pretty simple really. Or maybe they are and we don't know about it... With Joe having a hand in designing UAV's, the darn things probably thermal better than Bacus... ;-) And that would be a cool thing in my mind. ;-) I am going to keep using my Picolario, even if its just to make Daryl come up with some more material for flight line talk. 8-) (now that I can tell he is sensitive to it) Jim Downers Grove, IL Member of the Chicago SOAR club, and Team JR AMA 592537LSF 7560 Level IV R/C Soaring blog at www.jimbacus.net RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Computer Guided Thermaling
At 07:53 PM 1/19/2006, Marc Gellart wrote: Imagine if your glider could sense thermals by onboard electronics and actually soar them by itself. Heck JB, I thought that was using a piccolario? I realize that it does not fly for you, but throw an FMA Co-Pilot in and you darn near have it. Pretty much takes all the fun out of it then I would think. Just could not help myself... Marc I guess you still have to land these models for points too. I dunno, it was pretty fun winning the OVSS Championship a second time. I just couldn't help myself either... 8-) Jim Downers Grove, IL Member of the Chicago SOAR club, and Team JR AMA 592537LSF 7560 Level IV R/C Soaring blog at www.jimbacus.net RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Computer Guided Thermaling
Just use a longer antenna ribbon Ray Hayes http://www.skybench.com Home of Wood Crafters - Original Message - From: James V. Bacus [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: soaring@airage.com Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 8:59 PM Subject: Re: [RCSE] Computer Guided Thermaling At 07:48 PM 1/19/2006, Daryl Perkins wrote: It would be like drinking de cafe coffee ... what would be the point of it That's how I feel about those who choose to use varios for TD contest flying What's the point? Fly the freakin' airplane... ;-) This technology makes a vario look like a ribbon on your antenna. I'm kind of surprised that varios aren't being used in UAV's to sustain or extend flight. Pretty simple really. Or maybe they are and we don't know about it... With Joe having a hand in designing UAV's, the darn things probably thermal better than Bacus... ;-) And that would be a cool thing in my mind. ;-) I am going to keep using my Picolario, even if its just to make Daryl come up with some more material for flight line talk. 8-) (now that I can tell he is sensitive to it) Jim Downers Grove, IL Member of the Chicago SOAR club, and Team JR AMA 592537LSF 7560 Level IV R/C Soaring blog at www.jimbacus.net RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
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I'm sure if there was one available, Jim you would be getting one. ;-) lol Steve Meyer SOAR, LSF IV At 06:14 PM 1/19/2006, James V. Bacus wrote: Imagine if your glider could sense thermals by onboard electronics and actually soar them by itself. http://hem.passagen.se/skj/engelska/NEWS2005.HTM Jim Downers Grove, IL Member of the Chicago SOAR club, and Team JR AMA 592537LSF 7560 Level IV R/C Soaring blog at www.jimbacus.net RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
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If I had time to engineer stuff like that for fun I would certainly enjoy it. I am lucky to get out and soar the old fashioned way when I can. At 10:15 PM 1/19/2006, S Meyer wrote: I'm sure if there was one available, Jim you would be getting one. ;-) lol Steve Meyer SOAR, LSF IV Jim Downers Grove, IL Member of the Chicago SOAR club, and Team JR AMA 592537LSF 7560 Level IV R/C Soaring blog at www.jimbacus.net RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Computer guided Thermaling
Reminds me of the thermal sensor made by High Sky . Hook it up to your rudder. Zero sink did not move, lift move rudder to left or right, sink move in opposite direction. Worked pretty well, turn it off and on with another channel. Really came in handy if you were in zero sink/lift or very weak lift. I would flip it on to see what was really happening. Sort of like the varometer in a real sailplane. A.B. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
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I am lucky to get out and soar the old fashioned way when I can. The old fashioned way? With a picolario stuck in your ear? I'm sorry... but i don't remember that from the old days funny thing is... the best I've ever seen Jim fly was at this past Nats, F3J when nothing was stuck in his ear Please people... since it's allowed in AMA competition... PLEASE use your picolarios since AMA allows it... and cuz you guys forget to fly the model while you're intently listening for lift;-) I'm sorry... but I feel the things should be disallowed in competition... Should we use them in hand launch too? D __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] Computer Guided Thermaling
Thermal sensors in HLG, you are 30 years t late my friend! I had one inmy 66" HLG in the plane I used in Dave Thornburg's HLG contest back in the 70's. The thermal sensor responded like a bouncing Mozart tune. Found that the wingtips showed more than the mechanical assistance. All thermal sensors do is give you a false sense of thermal security. For TD , very bad. However at 60-70 MPH going cross country, at 2500-3000 feet, that is a different story. So guys, keep flying with them and you will soon learn that they really help you stay in sink. That reminds me of Ken Bates' sink detector. He put a stuff rat in his wing, covered it with monokote. When the plane flies through sink the rat jumps out and you know you should leave the area. Because we all know a Rat always leaves a sinking ship! Chris, Lsf348 Lvl 5 #8 Original Message Subject: Re: [RCSE] Computer Guided ThermalingFrom: Daryl Perkins [EMAIL PROTECTED]Date: Thu, January 19, 2006 10:44 pmTo: "James V. Bacus" [EMAIL PROTECTED], soaring@airage.comI am lucky to get out and soar the old fashioned waywhen I can.The old fashioned way? With a picolario stuck in yourear? I'm sorry... but i don't remember that from theold daysfunny thing is... the best I've ever seen Jim fly wasat this past Nats, F3J when nothing was stuck inhis earPlease people... since it's allowed in AMAcompetition... PLEASE use your picolarios sinceAMA allows it... and cuz you guys forget to fly themodel while you're intently listening for lift;-)I'm sorry... but I feel the things should bedisallowed in competition... Should we use them inhand launch too?D__Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Computer Guided Thermaling
At 12:44 AM 1/20/2006, you wrote: I am lucky to get out and soar the old fashioned way when I can. The old fashioned way? I meant by controlling the sticks myself. funny thing is... the best I've ever seen Jim fly was at this past Nats, F3J when nothing was stuck in his ear Thanks, I'll take that as a compliment but I was on a great team with great help. I was really humbled by the weather conditions in the flyoffs, personally I was not too pleased with myself that day. Please people... since it's allowed in AMA competition... PLEASE use your picolarios since AMA allows it... and cuz you guys forget to fly the model while you're intently listening for lift;-) I'm sorry... but I feel the things should be disallowed in competition... Should we use them in hand launch too? So if you think they don't help, why do you feel they should be disallowed in competition? ;-) Jim Downers Grove, IL Member of the Chicago SOAR club, and Team JR AMA 592537LSF 7560 Level IV R/C Soaring blog at www.jimbacus.net RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Computer Guided Thermaling
In a message dated 1/20/2006 1:44:50 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The old fashioned way? With a picolario stuck in yourear? I'm sorry... but i don't remember that from theold days You're too young - use of telemetering audio variometers in US RC soaring competition goes back to about 1969-70, at least two types were then commercially available.They were routinely used by a number ofthe more consistent winners. By the mid to late '70s, they had about the same "must have" status as the latest hi $ moldie today! Good Lift!
Re: [RCSE] Computer Guided Thermaling
In a message dated 1/19/2006 7:15:12 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Imagine if your glider could sense thermals by onboard electronics and actually soar them by itself. Maynard Hill (autopilot) and Walt Good (Thermal Sniffler) successfully collaborated on this a looong time ago. Much better technology available today! Good Lift!
