Re: [RCSE] HELP: JR XP9303 setup with six servo wing?
In a message dated 5/3/2005 3:18:46 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Sherman,In my case I am considering a large 4.5 meter (177) scale sailplane. Thesailplanes wing uses six servos three servos per side. The wing isdesigned for three servos per side. (I would prefer not using mechanicallinkages, and using software mixing instead.) Thus the wing servos wouldoperate L R flap, L R inboard aileron, and L R outboard/tip ailerons.I would like the outboard ailerons to match the movement of the inboardailerons but possibly reduce the total travel of the outboard ailerons to60~80% travel compared to the inboard ailerons. Depending on the sailplanecharacteristics, e.g. adverse yaw, I may need to increase or reduce thepercentage of mixing and the ratio of movement between the outboard andinboard ailerons.Thank you,Cameron Ninham If you use all the dedicated mixes with the 9303, you have Three channels and nondedicated mixes available. It would be fairly simple to mix masteraileron to outboard aileron (Aux2?) and mirror image the same with right aileron. Soone mix for each side. that would allow you work those outboard ailerons, For the master, select Ail+. This means that the dual rate, expo rate and trim settings of the aileron are mirrored to the outboard aileron. For slave, use, I believe Aux2 and Aux3. Mixes would allow you to have these turn on or off or to two separate mix rates depending on switch location. I have not actually done this on an airplane yet, (dont have any 6 servo wings to experement on) Please let me know what you finally come up with or if you have nay feedback to my comments. I an courious to find out if the differential settings of the ailerons are transferred to the outboard ailerons. thanks again Sherman KnightThe Law Offices of Sherman L Knight5400 Carillon PointKirkland WA 98033425-576-4028 wk425-576-4029 fax425-822-9305 hm[EMAIL PROTECTED] e-mail
RE: [RCSE] HELP: JR XP9303 setup with six servo wing?
Another way is to use a matchbox on the outer tiperons, which will allow you to accomplish what you want, plus use only one additional channel, plus give you the ability to mix the outer ailerons with various other control functions such as rudder for example, at the flick of a switch. JD Endless Mountain Models http://www.scalesoaring.com email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2005 3:45 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; soaring@airage.com Subject: Re: [RCSE] HELP: JR XP9303 setup with six servo wing? In a message dated 5/3/2005 3:18:46 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Sherman, In my case I am considering a large 4.5 meter (177) scale sailplane. The sailplanes wing uses six servos three servos per side. The wing is designed for three servos per side. (I would prefer not using mechanical linkages, and using software mixing instead.) Thus the wing servos would operate L R flap, L R inboard aileron, and L R outboard/tip ailerons. I would like the outboard ailerons to match the movement of the inboard ailerons but possibly reduce the total travel of the outboard ailerons to 60~80% travel compared to the inboard ailerons. Depending on the sailplane characteristics, e.g. adverse yaw, I may need to increase or reduce the percentage of mixing and the ratio of movement between the outboard and inboard ailerons. Thank you, Cameron Ninham If you use all the dedicated mixes with the 9303, you have Three channels and nondedicated mixes available. It would be fairly simple to mix masteraileron to outboard aileron (Aux2?) and mirror image the same with right aileron. Soone mix for each side. that would allow you work those outboard ailerons, For the master, select Ail+. This means that the dual rate, expo rate and trim settings of the aileron are mirrored to the outboard aileron. For slave, use, I believe Aux2 and Aux3. Mixes would allow you to have these turn on or off or to two separate mix rates depending on switch location. I have not actually done this on an airplane yet, (dont have any 6 servo wings to experement on) Please let me know what you finally come up with or if you have nay feedback to my comments. I an courious to find out if the differential settings of the ailerons are transferred to the outboard ailerons. thanks again Sherman Knight The Law Offices of Sherman L Knight 5400 Carillon Point Kirkland WA 98033 425-576-4028 wk 425-576-4029 fax 425-822-9305 hm [EMAIL PROTECTED] e-mail
[RCSE] HELP: JR XP9303 setup with six servo wing?
I have not yet gone through the manual for the JR XP9303, but is it possible (simple/easy) to program the XP9303 radio for a six servo wing -- L R flap, L R inboard aileron, and L R outboard/tip ailerons??? Can I setup the inboard and outboard ailerons to move by the same and/or different amounts? Thank you. Cameron Ninham RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] HELP: JR XP9303 setup with six servo wing?
In a message dated 5/3/2005 1:14:25 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I have not yet gone through the manual for the JR XP9303, but is it possible(simple/easy) to program the XP9303 radio for a six servo wing -- L Rflap, L R inboard aileron, and L R outboard/tip ailerons???Can I setup the inboard and outboard ailerons to move by the same and/ordifferent amounts? The answer is yes. However that is a very incomplete answer. What do you want the outboard aileron to do? Sounds like a stupid question, but it is not. What do you want the outboard Ail to do in lunch mode? Cruise Mode? Thermal Mode? Landing mode? It is easy to get the tiperons to follow the ailerons. If that is all you want, then why have them servo driven? Mechanical connection is much lighter. So, until you figure out what you want them to do, there is no way to answer the question. Sherman KnightThe Law Offices of Sherman L Knight5400 Carillon PointKirkland WA 98033425-576-4028 wk425-576-4029 fax425-822-9305 hm[EMAIL PROTECTED] e-mail
RE: [RCSE] HELP: JR XP9303 setup with six servo wing?
Sherman, In my case I am considering a large 4.5 meter (177) scale sailplane. The sailplanes wing uses six servos three servos per side. The wing is designed for three servos per side. (I would prefer not using mechanical linkages, and using software mixing instead.) Thus the wing servos would operate L R flap, L R inboard aileron, and L R outboard/tip ailerons. I would like the outboard ailerons to match the movement of the inboard ailerons but possibly reduce the total travel of the outboard ailerons to 60~80% travel compared to the inboard ailerons. Depending on the sailplane characteristics, e.g. adverse yaw, I may need to increase or reduce the percentage of mixing and the ratio of movement between the outboard and inboard ailerons. Thank you, Cameron Ninham From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2005 5:42 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; soaring@airage.com Subject: Re: [RCSE] HELP: JR XP9303 setup with six servo wing? In a message dated 5/3/2005 1:14:25 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I have not yet gone through the manual for the JR XP9303, but is it possible (simple/easy) to program the XP9303 radio for a six servo wing -- L R flap, L R inboard aileron, and L R outboard/tip ailerons??? Can I setup the inboard and outboard ailerons to move by the same and/or different amounts? The answer is yes. However that is a very incomplete answer. What do you want the outboard aileron to do? Sounds like a stupid question, but it is not. What do you want the outboard Ail to do in lunch mode? Cruise Mode? Thermal Mode? Landing mode? It is easy to get the tiperons to follow the ailerons. If that is all you want, then why have them servo driven? Mechanical connection is much lighter. So, until you figure out what you want them to do, there is no way to answer the question. Sherman Knight The Law Offices of Sherman L Knight 5400 Carillon Point Kirkland WA 98033 425-576-4028 wk 425-576-4029 fax 425-822-9305 hm [EMAIL PROTECTED] e-mail RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] HELP: JR XP9303 setup with six servo wing?
Another way if you want or have independent spoiler control with top mounted Schempp Hirth spoilers. Use the flaperon wing type mix and couple inboard flaps to ailerons 30% which is typical for scale ships, or up to 1:1 if you prefer. Program a slider to activate the flaps for landing as a proportional trimmer. Don't forget to decouple aileron flap mix in camber mode to prevent overdriving the flap servos when using landing flaps. Use the left flight mode switch for camber (or thermal flap}/ normal flight/ and Reflex. Now for the out board tiperons you have several options available as used on full scale sailplanes. I don't know what your model is so here are two examples I have used. On a DG -1000 tips are coupled to the rudder to prevent skidding in a turn and provide more rudder authority. Left rudder actuates the left tiperon up 40 degrees or so while the right tiperon stays neutral and visa versa. Alternately, you can couple this same function to the aileron (left aileron left tip up right tip neutral) and put the mix on a switch to change back and forth depending on your flight requirements at any given time. This will give you two distinct functions for the tiperons using only one channel. To do this you will need to purchase a JR Matchbox and program each tiperon using the matchbox and one channel, mixed then to either of the other two functions mentioned. The full scale Nimbus four uses this type of mixing also. This will allow the spoilers to be placed on the throttle stick where they belong as a glide path control device on landing similar to a throttle in a power plane. JD Endless Mountain Models http://www.scalesoaring.com email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Cameron [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2005 6:18 PM From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2005 5:42 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; soaring@airage.com Subject: Re: [RCSE] HELP: JR XP9303 setup with six servo wing? In a message dated 5/3/2005 1:14:25 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I have not yet gone through the manual for the JR XP9303, but is it possible (simple/easy) to program the XP9303 radio for a six servo wing -- L R flap, L R inboard aileron, and L R outboard/tip ailerons??? Can I setup the inboard and outboard ailerons to move by the same and/or different amounts? The answer is yes. However that is a very incomplete answer. What do you want the outboard aileron to do? Sounds like a stupid question, but it is not. What do you want the outboard Ail to do in lunch mode? Cruise Mode? Thermal Mode? Landing mode? It is easy to get the tiperons to follow the ailerons. If that is all you want, then why have them servo driven? Mechanical connection is much lighter. So, until you figure out what you want them to do, there is no way to answer the question. Sherman Knight The Law Offices of Sherman L Knight 5400 Carillon Point Kirkland WA 98033 425-576-4028 wk 425-576-4029 fax 425-822-9305 hm [EMAIL PROTECTED] e-mail RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
