Re: [RCSE] Nats Issue and AMA ED
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], "TJB" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > And one issue a year about competition > shouldn't be such a big deal. How are people going to learn about it and > become interested? I agree. And, Jim's Nats coverage was awesome. Sad to see we do not have it in the mag this year. Glad though that Jim was part of Nats News, especially since my new job forced me to miss the Nats for the first time since '98. But, if you guys follow the letters to the editor section, you would have seen that a lot of letters came in complaining about the Nats issue being "a waste of an issue" in the writer's mind. I guess on one hand, we should be happy that the AMA tries to respond to its membership. Like how DB's recent column made mention of the soaring guy's concerns over his altitude limit article. I'm sad to see the coverage go away, and when I get my magazine this month I will send an email to DB about my thoughts on it, but I understand the logic of why the AMA tried this out. > I guess it won't be long before AMA becomes the AEA (All > Electric Association), like many of the soaring clubs. We sure better! Small electrics are where this hobby is going. And fast. We can either be part of that and welcome it into our fold, or become unimportant. I love soaring as much as everyone else. It is what I would rather be flying given the option, but I must admit that over the past 2 years I have flown small electrics as much or more than gliders. And so far as new pilots go, I am seeing a ton of them. All flying small electrics. How about this for an exercise. Raise your hand if you are reading this list and are under 30 years old. I bet we don't get more than 3 raised hands. Now go out to rcgroups and you will see a lot of posts from young adults that are flying electrics and do not even yet have a drivers license! Ryan Woebkenberg RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: Re: [RCSE] Nats Issue and AMA ED
Well Jeff, I guess since I never fly there I do not know what I am talking about. I have never flown the 6x6 in any club event that MIST has had that I was there for in a number of years. The only event we fly the 6x6 is our OVSS Fall Round Up other than the Nats and hopefully the team trials again. Not even the MIST RES contest and Ray Hayes' Woodcrafters is there. Ya, if you trust going up to the 6x6 and leaving frequency control to the unknown with $1500- $2000 in the air, then go, but I think that this is what the prudent folks do on the IAC. Sometimes, what you are told by someone is not the "practice" by the majority. Marc RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Nats Issue and AMA ED
In six years of flying during the week at Muncie, I have never herd or seen anyone flying at the soaring site with their card/note in the freq. control box. All the sailplane flying I have seen during the week has taken place at Central. It actually is much more convenient than the soaring site. Also, I have never heard any of the MISS guys complaining. Actually, I feel it would be unwise to fly on the soaring site during the week. Probably the best way to get shot down at Muncie I can think of. Ray Hayes http://www.skybench.com Home of Wood Crafters - Original Message - From: "Jeff Steifel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Marc Gellart" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: "Ray Hayes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Dan Kitching" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "RCSE" Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2005 9:11 AM Subject: Re: [RCSE] Nats Issue and AMA ED > That's not totally true Marc. The locals were saying that on normal days > the guys flying gliders (really one or two). Go over to our soaring > area. The leave their cards on the boards and put a note that they are > over at the soaring area. Kaluf told us we couldn't do that, even > though all the locals said it is done daily.So the rules are bent daily. > > Marc Gellart wrote: > > >Jeff, > > What Kaluf did is SOP at AMA during the week, and since you were not in an official event, that is where everyone flies at AMA in an uncontrolled environment. I will admit, it is not a great B site, but to control frequencies, all fliers have to work from "center" on any open flying day. There is talk of a frquency control program that would cover the entire site, but I think it is far in the future. Even when the MIST guys have the field for a contest, if guys show up with power ships or such, after a conflab to concur on frequencies, usually they can proceed to south end and fly. And FF'ers are there many days that soaring is going on, so, sometimes you have a FF model end up on the site too. > > I know it is a hassle sometimes when you are doing such specialized flying, but what was done is the norm. > > > >Marc > >RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Jeff Steifel > > RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Nats Issue and AMA ED
That's not totally true Marc. The locals were saying that on normal days the guys flying gliders (really one or two). Go over to our soaring area. The leave their cards on the boards and put a note that they are over at the soaring area. Kaluf told us we couldn't do that, even though all the locals said it is done daily.So the rules are bent daily. Marc Gellart wrote: Jeff, What Kaluf did is SOP at AMA during the week, and since you were not in an official event, that is where everyone flies at AMA in an uncontrolled environment. I will admit, it is not a great B site, but to control frequencies, all fliers have to work from "center" on any open flying day. There is talk of a frquency control program that would cover the entire site, but I think it is far in the future. Even when the MIST guys have the field for a contest, if guys show up with power ships or such, after a conflab to concur on frequencies, usually they can proceed to south end and fly. And FF'ers are there many days that soaring is going on, so, sometimes you have a FF model end up on the site too. I know it is a hassle sometimes when you are doing such specialized flying, but what was done is the norm. Marc RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format -- Jeff Steifel RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: Re: [RCSE] Nats Issue and AMA ED
Jeff, What Kaluf did is SOP at AMA during the week, and since you were not in an official event, that is where everyone flies at AMA in an uncontrolled environment. I will admit, it is not a great B site, but to control frequencies, all fliers have to work from "center" on any open flying day. There is talk of a frquency control program that would cover the entire site, but I think it is far in the future. Even when the MIST guys have the field for a contest, if guys show up with power ships or such, after a conflab to concur on frequencies, usually they can proceed to south end and fly. And FF'ers are there many days that soaring is going on, so, sometimes you have a FF model end up on the site too. I know it is a hassle sometimes when you are doing such specialized flying, but what was done is the norm. Marc RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Nats Issue and AMA ED
If you read Dave Brown's column about a year ago he does explain that the locals were upset about not being able to fly. He says we need to work out something. I disagree. This is a national site, the locals have a great field all year round, this is not their private field. My feeling was... too bad. This is a national site. I also got first hand knowledge from someone in the AMA I wish to keep his anonymity. He echoed Dave's statement. This actually created a problem for us when we had the F3B TEAM Selection. Kaluf was going to allow them to fly while we were there. I passed it on to the locals that it would be closed during Team Selections. Word got out quickly. But the practice day we were forced to fly by the runway. Dennis Phelan and I were nearly hit by an out of control 1/4 scale ship going in at full bore. We were missed by 20 feet. Would have been nice if Kaluf hadn't forced us to fly in such a dangerous area. I don't know why he wouldn't let us fly in the soaring area. We had a building to impede distance and speed practice, and the gravel and paved runway to avoid when landing out in distance. Ray Hayes wrote: Primarily, the AMA field is the home to several free flight contests each year. Check the 2005 AMA on line calendar for specific usage, I'm thinking the club sanctioned FF events add up to about a month. I have not heard the Muncie guys complaining about the AMA field, they have their own flying site where they hold most of their monthlies. Outside of the Nats, the field is basically open during the week days all year and is used by the locals for FF, power and sailplane flying as well as visitors from around the country arriving in motor homes. I have seen large groups of youth being taught power flying by AMA employees, so as far as the field is concerned, AMA is on the right track in trying to promote the hobby. There are just a few sailplane clubs that do a bang up job of helping beginners. Tom, from my Sky Bench experience, I can tell you there are more guys flying sailplanes that don't belong to clubs than do belong. Ray Hayes http://www.skybench.com Home of Wood Crafters - Original Message - From: "Dan Kitching" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "RCSE" Sent: Monday, October 31, 2005 7:51 PM Subject: Re: [RCSE] Nats Issue and AMA ED Well sure, they shouldn't have a problem giving up their flying site for whole month. Seeing how Indiana has a nice and warm year 'round flying season, an entire month shouldn't be an issue at all. Dan TJB wrote: Are there really that many pilots in Muncie that they can't spare a month out of the year for competition? And one issue a year about competition shouldn't be such a big deal. How are people going to learn about it and become interested? I guess it won't be long before AMA becomes the AEA (All Electric Association), like many of the soaring clubs. Heck, the majority of the soaring pilots in our area don't even want to have a club. They just get together at a field and fly, no club, no dues, no contests, no hassle. T T&G 32 Mount View Dr Afton, VA 22920 540 943-3356 fax 943-4178 - Original Message - From: "James V. Bacus" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Monday, October 31, 2005 6:22 PM Subject: Re: [RCSE] Nats Issue and AMA ED That's not what I heard from the editor of the mag. I heard that the AMA received numerous letters from members that were tired of seeing an entire issue about competition. There is a similar issue with members not liking the AMA facilities and grounds being used for an entire month for competition which they supposedly received letters about. So a number of days was cut from Nats this year. So in one year we almost lost a day at Nats, but shifted to starting on Friday to keep all the dates and we have lost the magazine coverage for the Nats. It seems a growing number of modelers are not interested in contest flying. I think that's unfortunate because that's my favorite part about soaring. And the Nats issue was my favorite issue for the entire year, now it's just a Christmas catalog of advertisements. At 08:32 PM 10/30/2005, ROBERT M GELLART wrote: Just for the record, from what I know, it was the Model Aviation staff that generated this idea, not AMA staff. Jim Downers Grove, IL Member of the Chicago SOAR club, and Team JR AMA 592537LSF 7560 Level IV R/C Soaring blog at www.jimbacus.net RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Ai
Re: Re: [RCSE] Nats Issue and AMA ED
Chuck, That is what Wood Crafters is all about... kinda up the middle ... between a fun fly and contest and with Scale added, it really touches most of the bases. WC 06 will include Speed 400 Electric and Scale cross country. I like seeded MOM, it has it's own distinct feeling of tight competition, but it requires mucho ground support. Gotta be thankful there are groups willing to work hard to put on MOM contests. Ray Hayes http://www.skybench.com Home of Wood Crafters - Original Message - From: "Chuck Anderson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Monday, October 31, 2005 10:16 PM Subject: Re: Re: [RCSE] Nats Issue and AMA ED > I remember hearing somewhere that AMA has had some members stopping > in wanting to fly at the AMA site but were disappointed that they > were denied because there was an official event on the site. Don't > remember where I heard this. I have certainly never heard of any > problems with local fliers complaining about not being able to fly at > the AMA site. > > I can understand why many sailplane fliers don't want anything to do > with contest the way most of them are conducted today. We seem to > have two types of sailplane fliers. Those who only want to fly MOM > and those who want nothing to do with contests. How about a contest > somewhere in between MOM and fun flying. Used to be a lot of them > but not any more. :-( > > Chuck Anderson > > RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format > RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: Re: [RCSE] Nats Issue and AMA ED
I remember hearing somewhere that AMA has had some members stopping in wanting to fly at the AMA site but were disappointed that they were denied because there was an official event on the site. Don't remember where I heard this. I have certainly never heard of any problems with local fliers complaining about not being able to fly at the AMA site. I can understand why many sailplane fliers don't want anything to do with contest the way most of them are conducted today. We seem to have two types of sailplane fliers. Those who only want to fly MOM and those who want nothing to do with contests. How about a contest somewhere in between MOM and fun flying. Used to be a lot of them but not any more. :-( Chuck Anderson RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: Re: [RCSE] Nats Issue and AMA ED
Dan, That is a falicy that the Muncie Sky Chiefs have learned, they have another field now. The MIST soaring club also has an alternate. The AMA never intended the IAC to be purchased for or it's design for just the locals. When it works, many locals do fly there and enjoy the facility, but it is a catch as catch can use proposition. Marc RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Nats Issue and AMA ED
I guess we should all write the editor telling him how disappointed we are in not seeing full NATS coverage. James V. Bacus wrote: That's not what I heard from the editor of the mag. I heard that the AMA received numerous letters from members that were tired of seeing an entire issue about competition. There is a similar issue with members not liking the AMA facilities and grounds being used for an entire month for competition which they supposedly received letters about. So a number of days was cut from Nats this year. So in one year we almost lost a day at Nats, but shifted to starting on Friday to keep all the dates and we have lost the magazine coverage for the Nats. It seems a growing number of modelers are not interested in contest flying. I think that's unfortunate because that's my favorite part about soaring. And the Nats issue was my favorite issue for the entire year, now it's just a Christmas catalog of advertisements. At 08:32 PM 10/30/2005, ROBERT M GELLART wrote: Just for the record, from what I know, it was the Model Aviation staff that generated this idea, not AMA staff. Jim Downers Grove, IL Member of the Chicago SOAR club, and Team JR AMA 592537LSF 7560 Level IV R/C Soaring blog at www.jimbacus.net RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format . RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Nats Issue and AMA ED
Primarily, the AMA field is the home to several free flight contests each year. Check the 2005 AMA on line calendar for specific usage, I'm thinking the club sanctioned FF events add up to about a month. I have not heard the Muncie guys complaining about the AMA field, they have their own flying site where they hold most of their monthlies. Outside of the Nats, the field is basically open during the week days all year and is used by the locals for FF, power and sailplane flying as well as visitors from around the country arriving in motor homes. I have seen large groups of youth being taught power flying by AMA employees, so as far as the field is concerned, AMA is on the right track in trying to promote the hobby. There are just a few sailplane clubs that do a bang up job of helping beginners. Tom, from my Sky Bench experience, I can tell you there are more guys flying sailplanes that don't belong to clubs than do belong. Ray Hayes http://www.skybench.com Home of Wood Crafters - Original Message - From: "Dan Kitching" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "RCSE" Sent: Monday, October 31, 2005 7:51 PM Subject: Re: [RCSE] Nats Issue and AMA ED > Well sure, they shouldn't have a problem giving up their flying site for > whole month. > Seeing how Indiana has a nice and warm year 'round flying season, an > entire month shouldn't be an issue at all. > > Dan > > TJB wrote: > > > > > Are there really that many pilots in Muncie that they can't spare a > > month out of the year for competition? And one issue a year about > > competition shouldn't be such a big deal. How are people going to > > learn about it and become interested? I guess it won't be long before > > AMA becomes the AEA (All Electric Association), like many of the > > soaring clubs. Heck, the majority of the soaring pilots in our area > > don't even want to have a club. They just get together at a field and > > fly, no club, no dues, no contests, no hassle. > > > > T > > > > T&G > > 32 Mount View Dr > > Afton, VA 22920 > > > > 540 943-3356 > > fax 943-4178 > > > > - Original Message - From: "James V. Bacus" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: > > Sent: Monday, October 31, 2005 6:22 PM > > Subject: Re: [RCSE] Nats Issue and AMA ED > > > > > >> That's not what I heard from the editor of the mag. I heard that the > >> AMA received numerous letters from members that were tired of seeing > >> an entire issue about competition. There is a similar issue with > >> members not liking the AMA facilities and grounds being used for an > >> entire month for competition which they supposedly received letters > >> about. So a number of days was cut from Nats this year. > >> > >> So in one year we almost lost a day at Nats, but shifted to starting > >> on Friday to keep all the dates and we have lost the magazine > >> coverage for the Nats. > >> > >> It seems a growing number of modelers are not interested in contest > >> flying. > >> > >> I think that's unfortunate because that's my favorite part about > >> soaring. And the Nats issue was my favorite issue for the entire > >> year, now it's just a Christmas catalog of advertisements. > >> > >> > >> > >> At 08:32 PM 10/30/2005, ROBERT M GELLART wrote: > >> > >>> Just for the record, > >>> from what I know, it was the Model Aviation staff that generated > >>> this idea, > >>> not AMA staff. > >> > >> > >> Jim > >> Downers Grove, IL > >> Member of the Chicago SOAR club, and Team JR > >> AMA 592537LSF 7560 Level IV R/C Soaring blog at www.jimbacus.net > >> > >> RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send > >> "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to > >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and > >> unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME > >> turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL > >> are generally NOT in text format > >> > > > > > > RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send > > "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in > > text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based > > email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format > > > > > > RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format > RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Nats Issue and AMA ED
Is it the only flying site in the Muncie area? It is a national flying site, not just a local one. We pay a good deal of money for it. Wish the whole country would pay for a site in our area. From: "Dan Kitching" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Well sure, they shouldn't have a problem giving up their flying site for whole month. Seeing how Indiana has a nice and warm year 'round flying season, an entire month shouldn't be an issue at all. Dan RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Nats Issue and AMA ED
Well sure, they shouldn't have a problem giving up their flying site for whole month. Seeing how Indiana has a nice and warm year 'round flying season, an entire month shouldn't be an issue at all. Dan TJB wrote: Are there really that many pilots in Muncie that they can't spare a month out of the year for competition? And one issue a year about competition shouldn't be such a big deal. How are people going to learn about it and become interested? I guess it won't be long before AMA becomes the AEA (All Electric Association), like many of the soaring clubs. Heck, the majority of the soaring pilots in our area don't even want to have a club. They just get together at a field and fly, no club, no dues, no contests, no hassle. T T&G 32 Mount View Dr Afton, VA 22920 540 943-3356 fax 943-4178 - Original Message - From: "James V. Bacus" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Monday, October 31, 2005 6:22 PM Subject: Re: [RCSE] Nats Issue and AMA ED That's not what I heard from the editor of the mag. I heard that the AMA received numerous letters from members that were tired of seeing an entire issue about competition. There is a similar issue with members not liking the AMA facilities and grounds being used for an entire month for competition which they supposedly received letters about. So a number of days was cut from Nats this year. So in one year we almost lost a day at Nats, but shifted to starting on Friday to keep all the dates and we have lost the magazine coverage for the Nats. It seems a growing number of modelers are not interested in contest flying. I think that's unfortunate because that's my favorite part about soaring. And the Nats issue was my favorite issue for the entire year, now it's just a Christmas catalog of advertisements. At 08:32 PM 10/30/2005, ROBERT M GELLART wrote: Just for the record, from what I know, it was the Model Aviation staff that generated this idea, not AMA staff. Jim Downers Grove, IL Member of the Chicago SOAR club, and Team JR AMA 592537LSF 7560 Level IV R/C Soaring blog at www.jimbacus.net RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Nats Issue and AMA ED
It would seem to me that if they can give many pages to large contests like Top Gun or Joe Nall or the other big commercial meets that they can give coverage for our National Champoinships. After all it is the AMA that is putting it on and they have a duty to it's members to report on the chamopins of all forms of our hobby. Not everyone has a computer to get the daily NATS news and so in my opinion it should be in one special edition of Model Aviation. How else are they going to let the members know? I just cannot see how members would not want to know who their National champs are but would rather know who won Top Gun. Mark Miller __ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Nats Issue and AMA ED
Are there really that many pilots in Muncie that they can't spare a month out of the year for competition? And one issue a year about competition shouldn't be such a big deal. How are people going to learn about it and become interested? I guess it won't be long before AMA becomes the AEA (All Electric Association), like many of the soaring clubs. Heck, the majority of the soaring pilots in our area don't even want to have a club. They just get together at a field and fly, no club, no dues, no contests, no hassle. T T&G 32 Mount View Dr Afton, VA 22920 540 943-3356 fax 943-4178 - Original Message - From: "James V. Bacus" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Monday, October 31, 2005 6:22 PM Subject: Re: [RCSE] Nats Issue and AMA ED That's not what I heard from the editor of the mag. I heard that the AMA received numerous letters from members that were tired of seeing an entire issue about competition. There is a similar issue with members not liking the AMA facilities and grounds being used for an entire month for competition which they supposedly received letters about. So a number of days was cut from Nats this year. So in one year we almost lost a day at Nats, but shifted to starting on Friday to keep all the dates and we have lost the magazine coverage for the Nats. It seems a growing number of modelers are not interested in contest flying. I think that's unfortunate because that's my favorite part about soaring. And the Nats issue was my favorite issue for the entire year, now it's just a Christmas catalog of advertisements. At 08:32 PM 10/30/2005, ROBERT M GELLART wrote: Just for the record, from what I know, it was the Model Aviation staff that generated this idea, not AMA staff. Jim Downers Grove, IL Member of the Chicago SOAR club, and Team JR AMA 592537LSF 7560 Level IV R/C Soaring blog at www.jimbacus.net RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Nats Issue and AMA ED
That's not what I heard from the editor of the mag. I heard that the AMA received numerous letters from members that were tired of seeing an entire issue about competition. There is a similar issue with members not liking the AMA facilities and grounds being used for an entire month for competition which they supposedly received letters about. So a number of days was cut from Nats this year. So in one year we almost lost a day at Nats, but shifted to starting on Friday to keep all the dates and we have lost the magazine coverage for the Nats. It seems a growing number of modelers are not interested in contest flying. I think that's unfortunate because that's my favorite part about soaring. And the Nats issue was my favorite issue for the entire year, now it's just a Christmas catalog of advertisements. At 08:32 PM 10/30/2005, ROBERT M GELLART wrote: Just for the record, from what I know, it was the Model Aviation staff that generated this idea, not AMA staff. Jim Downers Grove, IL Member of the Chicago SOAR club, and Team JR AMA 592537LSF 7560 Level IV R/C Soaring blog at www.jimbacus.net RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
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I make my "minority" status known when I do my AMA renewals. I don't check any other interst than soaring. Plus FAI events. It avoids any confusion when creating lies from the numbers in the surveys. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
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Another "missing" part in Model Aviation are sailplane vendor ads. Also, I wonder why very few (none is closer to accurate) individuals send in photos of their sailplanes to the Focal Point section. Most sailplane "vending" is done on the internet groups, so maybe we have eliminated the reasons for AMA to do more than they already have for sailplane contestants. Club run or not, they still have to show black on the bottom line (or raise our dues). Actually on a twelve month view, excluding the Soaring Section column, there is very little reference to soaring. Contest flyers are linked to AMA, but are a very small number compared to those that don't see a need for an AMA license. So if we feel slighted, maybe it is a lesson in being part of a minority. Ray Hayes http://www.skybench.com Home of Wood Crafters - Original Message - From: "ROBERT M GELLART" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2005 9:32 PM Subject: [RCSE] Nats Issue and AMA ED > Interesting note about what others thought about the loss of the Nats issue. > When Tom and I were in Muncie for the Nats planning meeting there was kind > of a final call about the 2005 Nats for comments, no had said a word about > the mag. Well, I brought it up, the fact that as a kid I could not wait to > see that issue and how it led me to this hobby. Well, the room began to > applaud. I just shut up and this subject went on for about another hour. > Really did not mean to start up an issue, but I think that many held our > opinion and that I would guess that 2006 is different. Just for the record, > from what I know, it was the Model Aviation staff that generated this idea, > not AMA staff. > > Second subject, AMA ED Don Koranda seemed to be a nice enough guy, and is a > very goal orientated and business based guy. And I think that was his > demise, too much business for a "club". Good or bad, even though AMA is a > large orgaization, it is run like a club and I am not sure that that is for > the better. But who knows??? > > Marc > > RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format > RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Nats Issue and AMA ED
Interesting note about what others thought about the loss of the Nats issue. When Tom and I were in Muncie for the Nats planning meeting there was kind of a final call about the 2005 Nats for comments, no had said a word about the mag. Well, I brought it up, the fact that as a kid I could not wait to see that issue and how it led me to this hobby. Well, the room began to applaud. I just shut up and this subject went on for about another hour. Really did not mean to start up an issue, but I think that many held our opinion and that I would guess that 2006 is different. Just for the record, from what I know, it was the Model Aviation staff that generated this idea, not AMA staff. Second subject, AMA ED Don Koranda seemed to be a nice enough guy, and is a very goal orientated and business based guy. And I think that was his demise, too much business for a "club". Good or bad, even though AMA is a large orgaization, it is run like a club and I am not sure that that is for the better. But who knows??? Marc RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
