RE: [RCSE] RES not for the elite
Isn't one of the timer's duties to keep his pilot cool, calm, collected in the heat of the competition??? Sadly, this timer failed miserably! -Sheldon- -Original Message- From: James V. Bacus [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 08, 2005 7:04 PM To: soaring@airage.com Subject: Re: [RCSE] RES not for the elite The picture can be found here... http://www.modelaircraft.org/events/natsnews05/pdfs/0730.pdf At 05:56 PM 8/8/2005, you wrote: Gosh, I was with you for a while there Mike. But you lost me when you mentioned Tom sitting on Jim's lap and sticking out their tongues. Can't say I'm supportive of that! WOW, that's disturbing picture. Gentlemen! Some decorum please! Bill Swingle Janesville, CA Jim Downers Grove, IL Member of the Chicago SOAR club, and Team JR AMA 592537LSF 7560 Level IV R/C Soaring blog at www.jimbacus.net RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] RES not for the elite
I'm sorry but I can't help but share this with you guys after seeing that pic...It brought back some great memories! Flashback...2004 NATS I'm taking a break from the Trolls (one can handle just so much within a given period of time) and wanted to catch some pics of the UNL launches, kinda' up-close personal. DP (pilot) and Mike Smith (timer) are in the launch group going up. I ask DP if he minds if I kinda' hang with them during the flight, maybe learn a little something (maybe via osmosis? Yeah right!). The launch goes off, DP gets to where DP wants to be, which is generally far higher and further away than anyone else is comfortable with, and they wander over to the landing fence. I'm listening, they're not saying too much...over here, over there, etc. They both look satisfied and then they both proceed to park their butts on the ground stretch out (just like the photo). I'm listening really hard, making sure I don't miss anything, I mean really hoping to pick-up some pearls of wisdom. Wrong! They are talking about this, that, the other thing...Anything BUT soaring and the Insanity. DP is kinda' nudging it every once in awhile and THAT is IT! No exchange of this air, that air, or no air. I looked down at them and said DP, do ya' mind if I say something? DP glances up says Sure, go ahead. I said Frankly DP...Watching you fly is friggin' boring!. He and Mike both cracked up and DP looked up at me, with a big smile, and said Yeah, I know, I just don't like to work too hard. That, to me, will always be one of my favorite memories of attending a NATS. Lemme tell ya' something, with all the posts going on about competition vs fun vs more representative, more RES, less 2M, etc...We're really undervaluing one of the truly great things about the NATS, and that is that we have some of the finest people in attendance, regardless of what they fly, or how well they fly it, that I have ever had the pleasure to meet and get to know. THAT my friends, is something that I hope will NEVER change... -Sheldon- Head Turnaround Troll -Original Message- From: Jon Stone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 08, 2005 11:23 PM To: soaring@airage.com Subject: RE: [RCSE] RES not for the elite Take a look at this picture. Shows the 2nd place pilot in unlimited flying his 6-servo plane during the heat and intensity of the Unlimited contest at the NATS this month. http://www.knology.net/~jstone/nats/dp.jpg Looks pretty intense to me. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] RES not for the elite
Well, yes, but I believe the pilot admits to not being able to see the darn things anyway. ;-) Brent -- Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 22:22:53 -0500 From: Jon Stone [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: soaring@airage.com Subject: RE: [RCSE] RES not for the elite Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Take a look at this picture. Shows the 2nd place pilot in unlimited flying his 6-servo plane during the heat and intensity of the Unlimited contest at the NATS this month. http://www.knology.net/~jstone/nats/dp.jpg Looks pretty intense to me. -- RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] RES not for the elite
At 07:00 PM 8/6/2005, you wrote: I agree that RES is currently not in the same league as unlimited as far as prestige goes. I still maintain that it is solely because it is treated that way by contest organizers and possibly by some of the pilots them selves. Treat it like it was a National class event and it will be. Treat it like a fun fly and it will be. The class won't change the perception. Only the participants and organizers can do that. alright... Mayor Glover (of gloverville) and dogcatcher Steve never bring chairs to the flight-line again! JoJo, if you come back to the NATS you MUST fly every flight with the TX in your hand... no more letting the plane thermal itself for 6-7 minutes... it's not championship intensity... and.. Jim Thomas.. yeah you... letting Tom Kallevang sit on your lap and sticking your tongues out.. yeah there are pictures WHAT WERE YOU GUYS THINKING? where's the championship intensity? RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] RES not for the elite
Previously in this thread: Mayor Glover (of gloverville) and dogcatcher Steve never bring chairs to the flight-line again! JoJo, if you come back to the NATS you MUST fly every flight with the TX in your hand... no more letting the plane thermal itself for 6-7 minutes... it's not championship intensity... and.. Jim Thomas.. yeah you... letting Tom Kallevang sit on your lap and sticking your tongues out.. yeah there are pictures WHAT WERE YOU GUYS THINKING? where's the championship intensity? Hmm.. maybe a little more levity and a little less championship intensity might make Unlimited just a bit more palatable? Oh maybe without the lapsitting? Jim Deck -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.1/64 - Release Date: 8/4/2005 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] RES not for the elite
Gosh, I was with you for a while there Mike. But you lost me when you mentioned Tom sitting on Jim's lap and sticking out their tongues. Can't say I'm supportive of that! WOW, that's disturbing picture. Gentlemen! Some decorum please! Bill Swingle Janesville, CA RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] RES not for the elite
The picture can be found here... http://www.modelaircraft.org/events/natsnews05/pdfs/0730.pdf At 05:56 PM 8/8/2005, you wrote: Gosh, I was with you for a while there Mike. But you lost me when you mentioned Tom sitting on Jim's lap and sticking out their tongues. Can't say I'm supportive of that! WOW, that's disturbing picture. Gentlemen! Some decorum please! Bill Swingle Janesville, CA Jim Downers Grove, IL Member of the Chicago SOAR club, and Team JR AMA 592537LSF 7560 Level IV R/C Soaring blog at www.jimbacus.net RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] RES not for the elite
Careful Mike, you're going to ruin your reputation as a fun guy! For the record, at the request of launch-meister and grad wazoo of the flight line, Jim Thomas, I brought the chairs to the flight line. That's my smiling face with the stop watch in the pix. Happily, both of these fine guys have their nice stable RES ships parked in thermals and were winding down the contest. It was one of the more fun moments of the contest for me. I can't tell if your tongue is firmly in cheek here, or if you really think RES isn't worthy. 60+ guys did and seemed to enjoy the experience, most wanted more rounds; seems reasonable. As to the contest intensity, I think that many brought it to the line, ask Tom Scully and particularly, Johnny Berlin who helped me find some lift when I was at about 100 feet with 5 minutes to go and a possible trophy on the line. Suffice it to say the pucker factor was high and I worked hard for that 10 minutes. Look at the scores, the top 15 all had time, plus landing; not easy for me, or you. I still think RES has a great deal of positive energy around the event, many new airplanes that are fun to fly, and that show an advance in construction and design. People vote with their feet and pocket book, I saw lots of 2M's that had been dusted off for the NATS and lots of new designs and new planes in RES. I'm happy enough to see 2M continue, but still believe that RES deserves a full day. Most likely a simple enough thing for the contest board to sort out. No matter how it shakes out, I'm just happy to be there and flying in a great, well run contest. Barry On Aug 8, 2005, at 6:42 PM, Mike Stump wrote: At 07:00 PM 8/6/2005, you wrote: I agree that RES is currently not in the same league as unlimited as far as prestige goes. I still maintain that it is solely because it is treated that way by contest organizers and possibly by some of the pilots them selves. Treat it like it was a National class event and it will be. Treat it like a fun fly and it will be. The class won't change the perception. Only the participants and organizers can do that. alright... Mayor Glover (of gloverville) and dogcatcher Steve never bring chairs to the flight-line again! JoJo, if you come back to the NATS you MUST fly every flight with the TX in your hand... no more letting the plane thermal itself for 6-7 minutes... it's not championship intensity... and.. Jim Thomas.. yeah you... letting Tom Kallevang sit on your lap and sticking your tongues out.. yeah there are pictures WHAT WERE YOU GUYS THINKING? where's the championship intensity? RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to soaring- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] RES not for the elite
Take a look at this picture. Shows the 2nd place pilot in unlimited flying his 6-servo plane during the heat and intensity of the Unlimited contest at the NATS this month. http://www.knology.net/~jstone/nats/dp.jpg Looks pretty intense to me. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] RES not for the elite
At 10:22 PM -0500 8/8/05, Jon Stone wrote: Take a look at this picture. Shows the 2nd place pilot in unlimited flying his 6-servo plane during the heat and intensity of the Unlimited contest at the NATS this month. http://www.knology.net/~jstone/nats/dp.jpg Looks pretty intense to me. I guess he should be DQ for not holding his tx while flying in unlimited. or not stand on his feet...and he is not even sweating while flying what kind of image did he project for people flying unlimited. Ha, what this world is coming totsk,tsk,tsk.. I think he should ban from flying unlimited. I would not even let him fly in the RES class, and he lost sight of his plane in 2M. Brian -- B. Chan Lost in the world of bureaucratic lead tape, and sinking RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
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Big D, With that GREAT picture, you're my hero again! Ron RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] RES not for the elite
That's a great photo of DP doing his thing... But, he is still going straight to hell. Bozo Getting what I deserve... Spanking is a good thing...right? Stabs don't weigh 1.5 oz either. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] RES not for the elite
That's a great photo of DP doing his thing... But, he is still going straight to hell. That is a cool pic. Thanks whoever took it. And guys... I've done that at the world's. 10 minutes can be a really long time... especially when no-one will bring you a chair... ;-) thx, D Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] RES not for the elite
Hmm... according to Mr. Stump, those who fly RES are only there to get their chance at the podium - fliers eager for a scrap of the fleeting fame that comes from getting wood'. What does that say about the Nostalgia fliers? Sorry, Mike, some of us still enjoy the challenge of 3 channel flying or seeing a gaggle of completely different sailplanes. May we apologize for taking away from 6 days of unlimited - not! Jim Deck -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.1/64 - Release Date: 8/4/2005 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] RES not for the elite
I thought RES was rather challenging, I had one little OOPS in the morning and I was down to 14th. Just like any other class at the Nats, get all of your times and good landings consistently... P.S. I have to say I was having a BLAST flying my new Soprano, it's first flights were in Muncie. I got to set it up one evening before the contest comparing it against Mark Miller's model, dialed it right in and contested the crap out of it the next day. TK commented that I was launching it harder than my ICON's... 8-) (fly them like you stole them!) At 02:03 PM 8/6/2005, Jim Deck wrote: Hmm... according to Mr. Stump, those who fly RES are only there to get their chance at the podium - fliers eager for a scrap of the fleeting fame that comes from getting wood'. What does that say about the Nostalgia fliers? Sorry, Mike, some of us still enjoy the challenge of 3 channel flying or seeing a gaggle of completely different sailplanes. May we apologize for taking away from 6 days of unlimited - not! Jim Deck -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.1/64 - Release Date: 8/4/2005 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format Jim Downers Grove, IL Member of the Chicago SOAR club, and Team JR AMA 592537LSF 7560 Level IV R/C Soaring blog at www.jimbacus.net RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] RES not for the elite
At 03:03 PM 8/6/2005, you wrote: Hmm... according to Mr. Stump, those who fly RES are only there to get their chance at the podium - fliers eager for a scrap of the fleeting fame that comes from getting wood'. What does that say about the Nostalgia fliers? Sorry, Mike, some of us still enjoy the challenge of 3 channel flying or seeing a gaggle of completely different sailplanes. May we apologize for taking away from 6 days of unlimited - not! Jim Deck Jim, Jim, I obviously didn't choose the right verbage in talking about RES... heck I flew in the event last year and this year.. however it is 3 channel flying... that is, limited function sailplane flying.. i.e. really an entry level sailplane format that many of us still occasionally enjoy.. and as I maintained, RES likely deserves a day to itself.. but not at the cost of 2 meter or unlimited formats.. witness: JoJo flying much of a max with his tx laying on the ground... thomas and friend flying on each others laps.. chairs on the flightline for pilots and timers.. what other examples do i need to bring.. it isn't the same challenge OR the same contest environment.. no need to even think about apologies here.. as for nostalgia? ask the dwindling numbers... 25 flew it this year... maybe the idea of NOS and HL sharing a day has some merit.. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] RES not for the elite
At 03:03 PM 8/6/2005, you wrote: Hmm... according to Mr. Stump, those who fly RES are only there to get their chance at the podium - fliers eager for a scrap of the fleeting fame that comes from getting wood'. What does that say about the Nostalgia fliers? Sorry, Mike, some of us still enjoy the challenge of 3 channel flying or seeing a gaggle of completely different sailplanes. May we apologize for taking away from 6 days of unlimited - not! Jim Deck Jim, Jim, I obviously didn't choose the right verbage in talking about RES... heck I flew in the event last year and this year.. however it is 3 channel flying... that is, limited function sailplane flying.. i.e. really an entry level sailplane format that many of us still occasionally enjoy.. and as I maintained, RES likely deserves a day to itself.. but not at the cost of 2 meter or unlimited formats.. witness: JoJo flying much of a max with his tx laying on the ground... thomas and friend flying on each others laps.. chairs on the flightline for pilots and timers.. what other examples do i need to bring.. it isn't the same challenge OR the same contest environment.. I would not bring this up in the F1 Forum or old timer forum. Most of them don't even use transmitters to fly!! And the max their time.. Not using the tx does not mean there is no skill involve. I would think the less you have to work with, the more skillful you are! Brian RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] RES not for the elite
I agree that RES is currently not in the same league as unlimited as far as prestige goes. I still maintain that it is solely because it is treated that way by contest organizers and possibly by some of the pilots them selves. Treat it like it was a National class event and it will be. Treat it like a fun fly and it will be. The class won't change the perception. Only the participants and organizers can do that. Mark Miller __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
