[RCSE] servo-receiver behavior question

2005-01-26 Thread Scobie Puchtler
Ok,
so,
when an onboard battery pack winds down to nearly exhausted, and the servos
start to get erratic, meaning they start moving to do the requested motion,
but only get part way there, then quit, then jump the rest of the way,
perhaps in two or three of these steps for a full deflection, what exactly
is going on?
 
Is this the servo simply demanding more power than the battery can provide?
Why isn't the servo simply slowing way way down, as opposed to jerking in
steps to its destination?
 
Does the receiver have any role in creating this erratic motion?  Is the
receiver somehow cutting in and out or is this familiar behavior just a
symptom of how the power demands cycle between the servos and the battery?
 
Thanks for insight from anyone with more mastery of electronic interactions
than I have (which is an awful lot like just saying anyone) 
 
Lift,
Scobie in Seattle.

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RE: [RCSE] servo-receiver behavior question

2005-01-26 Thread Jared
Scobie - 
Here is my guess...and this is just a guess.

The servos require a certain amount of voltage to work.  Moving the servo
puts a load on the battery and causes the voltage to drop a little bit.
Once the load is taken off of the battery, the voltage will jump up a little
bit.  

So, if you're at the limits of what it takes to move the servo:
The servo starts to move then pulls down the battery too low for the servo
to move.  

Once the servo is no longer putting a load on the battery the pack starts to
go up in voltage.  

The threshold for the servo voltage is met and the servo starts to move
again.  

This could also be a function of the voltage the RX needs to work as well.
If the RX is powering on and off because of the servo load you'll experience
the same problem.

Most receivers require less voltage to work than servos do...at least in my
experience.  It's always a good idea to stop flying when you have these
issues :-)

Jared




-Original Message-
From: Scobie Puchtler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 6:07 PM
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Subject: [RCSE] servo-receiver behavior question

Ok,
so,
when an onboard battery pack winds down to nearly exhausted, and the servos
start to get erratic, meaning they start moving to do the requested motion,
but only get part way there, then quit, then jump the rest of the way,
perhaps in two or three of these steps for a full deflection, what exactly
is going on?
 
Is this the servo simply demanding more power than the battery can provide?
Why isn't the servo simply slowing way way down, as opposed to jerking in
steps to its destination?
 
Does the receiver have any role in creating this erratic motion?  Is the
receiver somehow cutting in and out or is this familiar behavior just a
symptom of how the power demands cycle between the servos and the battery?
 
Thanks for insight from anyone with more mastery of electronic interactions
than I have (which is an awful lot like just saying anyone) 
 
Lift,
Scobie in Seattle.

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Re: [RCSE] servo-receiver behavior question

2005-01-26 Thread Bill Swingle
   Anyone? Cool, I'm there for ya.

Both the servos and the RX are, essentially, on the same bus. Thus, the
voltage to one is the same as the voltage to another. Your description
sounds like the servo simply requesting more energy than the battery can
provide and the voltage drops dramatically.

What happens then I can't say. But I think it differs with different
components. It will depend on each component and situation.

   How much will the voltage be pulled down?
   Will the RX quit first?
   Will the servos quit first?
   Will both quit?
   Is there enough juice in the battery to recover nominal voltage?

But, it's academic really. You shouldn't be playing close to the edge.
Personally, several of my planes that I have experienced this with gave no
warning. They flew normally until simply going dead in the air. One time it
corresponded to a large stick input which the battery couldn't handle nor
recover from. Which is pretty logical. One minute normal, the next I slammed
into an aileron roll and 'Poof' the plane was dead and still rolling all the
way to the ground. Thud.

Bill Swingle


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