RE: [RCSE] 8103 vs. 10X
There's also the small detail that neither the JR 8103 or Futaba 8U let you decouple the elevator trim between launch/thermal/speed modes. May not be a big deal for TD stuff off braided line, but for F3B launches off mono line those 2 clicks of up-trim you put in to just float around in light lift can change the next launch from awesome to snap-roll. Also a couple of clicks of down-trim to help penetrate into the wind can mean the difference between tracking straight down the course or diving for the ground during a speed run. The mainstream radios such as the 8103 and 8U actually do more than most people will ever need. It's really a lot of little things that make the top-end radios better and many people wouldn't consider the extra price worth it. The way I look at it, my 9Z cost less than one F3B airframe and will control/outlast many models. I consider it an investment. Ciao - Chris ** Chris Kaiser (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) Auckland, NEW ZEALAND http://rcmodels.co.nz/clubs/asfcnz -Original Message- From: Jim Bacus [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, 15 November 2001 11:13 a.m. To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [RCSE] 8103 vs. 10X At 02:56 PM 11/14/2001, James Osborn wrote: I am curious what it is you need to do that you found the 8103 was not able to accomplish? Please respond to the exchange; inquiring minds want to know. 1) The camber and landing butterfly/crow are shared by the throttle stick and moded with a switch. I want camber on the slide bar where it should be, and landing on the throttle stick where it should be, both active simultaneously. I know I could have a preset camber switch with the 8103, I don't want that, I want camber that I can vary. 2) I want to be able to handle a six wing setup without using a Y harness. 3) I wanted the two extra channels for my scale ships so I didn't have to tie channels together for the tow release and retracts. Jim Downers Grove, IL Member of the Chicago SOAR club, AMA 592537LSF 7560 Level III ICQ 6997780R/C Soaring Page at www.jimbacus.net RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [RCSE] 8103 vs. 10X
I have also been looking at the X10, but I have a lot of Futaba and Hitec Rexeivers. I haven't seen anywhere that you can invert the tx pulses. Am I correct or is there a way to use Futaba Rxs with a X10? Thanks, Kent Miller Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 11:18:28 -0800 (PST) From: tony estep [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Jim Bacus [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [RCSE] 8103 vs. 10X Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] At 11:14 AM 11/13/2001, Bill Swingle wrote: A friend is wanting to purchase either the JR 8103 or the 10X. Does anyone have a few words of wisdom in decided between these the transmitters? --- Jim Bacus [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The 10x is really the way to go. The 10x is the best TX I have ever owned, I second what Jim sez: the 10x is pretty unbeatable. Once you've figured it out, you can do any old thing with it. It's well-made and solid, the learning curve is short, the controls are all right there ready to hand, and the programming possibilities are comprehensive. __ RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [RCSE] 8103 vs. 10X
Kent, I just bought a 10X and would love to be able to change shifts. I also have 2 8U's, a NIB Hitec Laser, a Focus 4 and numerous Rx's from Futaba and Hitec, all in negative shift. Let me know if somebody has a magical answer that didn't post it for all to see. I am keeping the Futaba 8's for hand launch and slope and the Hitecs for trainers. The JR 10X has a magnesium case and is a bit heavy for hand launch, not to mention expensive for high risk activities, such as combat. Wiggle your sticks David Judson [Original Message] From: Kent Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I have also been looking at the X10, but I have a lot of Futaba and Hitec Rexeivers. I haven't seen anywhere that you can invert the tx pulses. Am I correct or is there a way to use Futaba Rx's with a X10? Thanks, Kent Miller RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [RCSE] 8103 vs. 10X
Yes I currently own 2 8103's I bought a 10x but sold it after 6 mos. The 10x does not have the glider function found in 8103, it is much heavier and the battery drains at a much faster rate with the big graphics. 8103 will do just about everything and you won't be worried about it lying around at model port. - Original Message - From: Bill Swingle [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: RCSE Soaring (E-mail) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2001 10:14 AM Subject: [RCSE] 8103 vs. 10X A friend is wanting to purchase either the JR 8103 or the 10X. Does anyone have a few words of wisdom in decided between these the transmitters? Thanks, Bill Swingle [EMAIL PROTECTED] Janesville, CA RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [RCSE] 8103 vs. 10X
The 10X is a waste of money until they make a synthesized model with frequency scanning capability. For now I will stick with 8103. - Original Message - From: Jim Bacus [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2001 10:29 AM Subject: Re: [RCSE] 8103 vs. 10X At 11:14 AM 11/13/2001, Bill Swingle wrote: A friend is wanting to purchase either the JR 8103 or the 10X. Does anyone have a few words of wisdom in decided between these the transmitters? The 10x is really the way to go. A little harder to program since you have to roll your own mixes, the 8103 has some built in menus for gliders like the Butterfly menu, but I don't really miss that. Those built in menus on the 8103 restrict your flexibility a bit too. Once you get some starter templates built for your models, it really is quite easy to program the 10x. The biggest reason for going to the 10x is the camber sliders on the side of the TX. Then you don't have to share the throttle stick moded on a switch, to handle camber or butterfly. They both can be simultaneously active. The 10x gives you two more channels, nice if you want to do the six servo wing thing, or get into some scale models and handle all the control surfaces, gear retracts and tow release. There are bunch of other more subtile programming issues that I enjoy, but to be honest with you, I started with the 783, then bought a 8103, sold it and went to the 10x. I should have just started with the 10x to begin with. 8-) The 10x is the best TX I have ever owned, RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [RCSE] 8103 vs. 10X
At 10:27 PM 11/13/2001, Ray Ayestaran wrote: it is much heavier and the battery drains at a much faster rate with the big graphics. The 10x is heavier then the 8103, no doubt about it. But I found I had to replace the stock battery 600 battery in my 8103 because of it's quick burn rate, the stock 1100 that comes with the 10x easily lasts a long day of contesting without a recharge. The 10x also has a battery that can be removed and charged separately from the tx due to the built in jack. Jim Downers Grove, IL Member of the Chicago SOAR club, AMA 592537LSF 7560 Level III ICQ 6997780R/C Soaring Page at www.jimbacus.net RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [RCSE] 8103 vs. 10X
At 10:30 PM 11/13/2001, Ray Ayestaran wrote: The 10X is a waste of money until they make a synthesized model with frequency scanning capability. For now I will stick with 8103. The 8103 can't do what I need it to do, so the 10x is hardly a waste of money for me. If the 8103 is doing everything you need, great, I flew one for about half a season before selling mine. Nice radio. Jim Downers Grove, IL Member of the Chicago SOAR club, AMA 592537LSF 7560 Level III ICQ 6997780R/C Soaring Page at www.jimbacus.net RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
