Re: [RCSE] Fw: Gas to reach 3 dollars a gallon/toxic waste dumps
The only legitimate function of government is the protection of its citizens. Therefore the government should (and in a perfect world would) keep the electorate well informed. But this is not a perfect world but the fault lies not in the stars . We can not count on the government (or FOX news) to keep us well informed. The information is out there Nightline (ABC), NOW and Frontline (PBS). It is our responsibility to keep informed. But research from the first Gulf war showed that approx 2/3rds of the participants preferred not to hear disturbing news.(Why did a majority of Americans still believe Iraq had WMD on the eve of the elections?) But here is some good news: Model Planes May Soar at Former Superfund Sites (The Washington Post) By Cindy Skrzycki, Page E01, April 05, 2005 What comes to mind when you hear the word Superfund? Nasty, abandoned toxic waste dumps? An underfunded federal cleanup program? Real estate that... http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A26674- 2005Apr4.html :-) I am not sure what Harley Michaelis apologized for. He alerted this group to a problem we might have been too complacent about. Gas prices are already $3.00 in some places. While not historically high, that could double if the $100 + per barrel (as predicted) is reached. Didn't we all become a bit more aware? Regis --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], JakBQuik [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From the actual Department of Energy website: The trouble is: we can't trust our government anymore. Every single government entity has been politicized to parrot the administration's desires. Especially the DOE. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Fw: Gas to reach 3 dollars a gallon/toxic waste dumps
Too bad about that $3.00 gas, saw some yesterday for $2.05, Midwest is a bit more of a heaven everyday. Get that ANWR property ready to auction... RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Fw: Gas to reach 3 dollars a gallon/toxic waste dumps
Out here in southern Oregon it hit $2.57 today. My gardener paid, $2.51 on the way to work today, and later went to the same station to fill the company truck, and it was up to $2.57, less than 3 hours later. Jerry Miller, SOSS Medford, OR At 10:29 AM 4/6/2005, Marc Gellart wrote: Too bad about that $3.00 gas, saw some yesterday for $2.05, Midwest is a bit more of a heaven everyday. Get that ANWR property ready to auction... RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] Fw: Gas to reach 3 dollars a gallon/toxic waste dumps
You should check out http://gasbuddy.com I know I'm shopping for gas now - especially diesel. -Original Message- From: Jerry Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 2:18 PM To: Marc Gellart; soaring@airage.com Subject: Re: [RCSE] Fw: Gas to reach 3 dollars a gallon/toxic waste dumps Out here in southern Oregon it hit $2.57 today. My gardener paid, $2.51 on the way to work today, and later went to the same station to fill the company truck, and it was up to $2.57, less than 3 hours later. Jerry Miller, SOSS Medford, OR At 10:29 AM 4/6/2005, Marc Gellart wrote: Too bad about that $3.00 gas, saw some yesterday for $2.05, Midwest is a bit more of a heaven everyday. Get that ANWR property ready to auction... RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format *** This message is intended only for the use of the Addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify Space Imaging immediately. *** RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Fw: Gas to reach 3 dollars a gallon/toxic waste dumps
regis wrote: The only legitimate function of government is the protection of its citizens. Oops! You left out rights at the end. But here is some good news: Model Planes May Soar at Former Superfund Sites (The Washington Post) By Cindy Skrzycki, Page E01, April 05, 2005 What comes to mind when you hear the word Superfund? Nasty, abandoned toxic waste dumps? An underfunded federal cleanup program? Real estate that... http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A26674-2005Apr4.html :-) Here's a tiny url from http://www.tinyurl.com for that Washington Post article: http://tinyurl.com/3r8er I am not sure what Harley Michaelis apologized for. He alerted this group to a problem we might have been too complacent about. Gas prices are already $3.00 in some places. While not historically high, that could double if the $100 + per barrel (as predicted) is reached. Didn't we all become a bit more aware? Regis Everybody knows gas prices are increasing. Harley Michaelis vectored the urban legend that spurning gasoline from Shell, Chevron, Texaco, Exxon, and Mobil will cut off the funding of terrorists. That's a completely different issue and it's false. I'm sure he's a loyal http://www.snopes.com fan now. Mike -- Winch Solenoid Safety Buzzer - http://www.vvsss.com/buzzer/ _ \__|__/ (O) RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Fw: Gas to reach 3 dollars a gallon
Harley, While this isn't a hoax, you are forwarding on some bad information. From the actual Department of Energy website: http://www.eia.doe.gov/neic/experts/contactexperts.htm We almost import as much oil from Canada as we do from Saudi Arabia! JE -- Erickson Architects John R. Erickson, AIA From: Harley Michaelis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2005 19:17:53 -0700 To: soaring@airage.com Subject: [RCSE] Fw: Gas to reach 3 dollars a gallon MessageThis is soaring related in that we all buy gasoline to do our flying. I thought this analysis was worth passing on in that it points out which of the companies we buy gas from import Middle East oil and which don't. I don't have a long mailing list outside of the RCSE, so this was my best avenue to pass on the message. I trust it is a legitimate one worth our consideration. - Original Message - From: Jenny Eggers To: Eggman2 Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 5:46 PM Subject: Gas to reach 3 dollars a gallon Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 8:42 AM Subject: FW: Gas to reach 3 dollars a gallon Subject: Gasoline to hit $3 You guys might really want to pay attention to this as they are now saying that gas is going to hit the $3.00 mark! (Was on the nightly news 3/9/05). WHERE TO BUY YOUR GAS, THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT TO KNOW. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Fw: Gas to reach 3 dollars a gallon
From the actual Department of Energy website: The trouble is: we can't trust our government anymore. Every single government entity has been politicized to parrot the administration's desires. Especially the DOE. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Fw: Gas to reach 3 dollars a gallon
Harley Michaelis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't have a long mailing list outside of the RCSE, so this was my best avenue to pass on the message. I trust it is a legitimate one worth our consideration. Even if it was true I don't think it would belong on this mailing list, but as I'm sure most people here have already guessed, it's not. Spam emails like this should always be checked out on snopes.com before passing them on. - http://www.snopes.com/politics/business/saudigas.asp Claim: Spurning gasoline from Shell, Chevron, Texaco, Exxon, and Mobil will cut off the funding of terrorists. Status: False - Mike -- Winch Solenoid Safety Buzzer - http://www.vvsss.com/buzzer/ _ \__|__/ (O) RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Fw: Gas to reach 3 dollars a gallon
This appears to be an urban legend A check with Snopes.com produces the following: *Origins:* If it weren't for all the gross statistical errors and the nave grasp of oil industry economics exhibited here, this piece might actually have some validity. Although the message quoted above doesn't address /where/ (outside of the Middle East) we import oil from, many people come away from reading it with the mistaken impression that most of the USA's crude oil is imported from the Middle East. It isn't. According to some recent figures http://www.eia.doe.gov/pub/oil_gas/petroleum/data_publications/petroleum_supply_monthly/current/txt/table_35.txt regarding crude oil imports, only 31% of the USA's imports came from Arab OPEC countries (Algeria, Iraq, Kuwait, Qatar, Saudi Arabia) in January 2002. The top six countries (by percentage of total USA imports) supplying crude oil to the USA in January 2002 were: Saudi Arabia: 16.9% Mexico: 15.1% Canada: 15.0% Venezuela: 14.4% Iraq: 11.4% Nigeria:5.9.% (Henceforth, our definition of Middle East will encompass the five countries identified by the U.S. Department of Energy as Arab OPEC nations: Algeria, Iraq, Kuwait, Qatar, and Saudi Arabia. This definition does /not/ include other oil-exporting countries identifed by the DoE as Persian Gulf exporters, such as Bahrain, Iran, and the United Arab Emirates.) Moving along, we find that nearly all of the statistics offered in the piece quoted above are erroneous or outdated: By the way, 86% of all middle eastern oil comes from Saudi Arabia and Iraq. Sorry, but no. According to the chart below, straight off the U.S. Department of Energy's (DoE) web site http://www.eia.doe.gov/emeu/cabs/pgulf.html, only 56% of the oil exported from the Persian Gulf in 2001 came from Saudi Arabia and Iraq, and that figure is probably even lower now that Iraq has cut its oil exports in protest http://fyi.cnn.com/2002/fyi/news/04/08/iraq.oil/ of Israel's recent actions on the West Bank. Here are some large companies that do not import much Middle Eastern oil: Citgo 0 barrels of oil Sunoco 0 Conoco 0 Sinclair 0 Phillips 0 BP Amoco 62,231,000 Wrong again. The DoE tracks oil imports by company http://www.eia.doe.gov/pub/oil_gas/petroleum/data_publications/company_level_imports/historical/2002/2002_02/data/import.txt each month, and although the raw data are a little hard to follow (fortunately, the DoE also provides an explanation http://www.eia.doe.gov/oil_gas/petroleum/data_publications/company_level_imports/cli_explanation.html of their symbols), for February 2002 the totals were as follows: * CITGO http://www.citgo.com/Home.jsp is a wholly-owned subsidiary of the national oil company of Venezuela, so naturally most of its crude oil comes from there. However, in February 2002 CITGO also imported from Middle Eastern countries in the following quantities: Iraq: 1,342,000 barrels Kuwait: 437,000 barrels * Conoco http://www.conoco.com/ imports primarily from Mexico, Venezuela, and Canada, and not from Middle Eastern countries. However, they are planning to merge http://www.conoco.com/investor/cp/index.asp with Phillips, which /does/ import from Middle Eastern countries (see below). * BP http://www.amoco.com/index.asp imports from a variety of oil-producing countries, but in February 2002 BP North America also imported from Middle Eastern countries in the following quantities: Iraq: 470,000 barrels Kuwait: 415,000 barrels Saudi Arabia: 2,123,000 barrels Algeria: 3,853,000 barrels * Phillips http://www.phillips66.com/phillips66.asp also imports from a variety of oil-producing countries, but in February 2002 Phillips imported from Middle Eastern countries in the following quantities: Iraq: 717,000 barrels Saudi Arabia: 1,100,000 barrels * Sinclair http://www.sinclairoil.com/ imports from Canada, not the Middle East. * Sunoco http://www.sunoco.com/ imports primarily from Canada, Angola, and Nigeria, not Middle Eastern countries. So, doing the math and multiplying these monthly figures by $30/barrel and projecting them over the course of a year, supporting only the companies listed above would still be putting $3.76 /billion/ dollars per year in the coffers of Middle Eastern countries. Statistics aside, the glaring fallacy here is the suggestion that we could possibly buy our gasoline only from these selected companies. This notion is like claiming that we could put the big grocery chains out of business if we all bought our food only from small mom pop stores, but ignoring the fact that these small shops couldn't possibly come close to supplying all our grocery needs. The oil companies named above are relatively small (which is a large part of the reason why they don't necessarily
RE: [RCSE] Fw: Gas to reach 3 dollars a gallon
I do hate that when that happensthanks Harley. Don -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 9:53 PM To: soaring@airage.com Subject: Re: [RCSE] Fw: Gas to reach 3 dollars a gallon Harley Michaelis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't have a long mailing list outside of the RCSE, so this was my best avenue to pass on the message. I trust it is a legitimate one worth our consideration. Even if it was true I don't think it would belong on this mailing list, but as I'm sure most people here have already guessed, it's not. Spam emails like this should always be checked out on snopes.com before passing them on. - http://www.snopes.com/politics/business/saudigas.asp Claim: Spurning gasoline from Shell, Chevron, Texaco, Exxon, and Mobil will cut off the funding of terrorists. Status: False - Mike -- Winch Solenoid Safety Buzzer - http://www.vvsss.com/buzzer/ _ \__|__/ (O) RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
