Re: [RCSE] Nats HLG Rules Update
I am actually not quite sure what Chris is so upset about but it sounds like he may not have a clear picture of what the change to the HL rules was all about. I will attempt to clear this up. The original HL rules required a contestant to get the contest director's approval prior to switching to a backup model. The original rules also did not allow the contestant to go back to his primary model later in the contest should he be able to repair the model between rounds. Every hand launch contest that I fly in including the IHLGF allows for free substitution of models without prior approval of the contest director. This is what makes sense for a HL contest since there is simply no time to hunt down the contest director and get approval to switch planes while the round clock is running. The change in the AMA NATS HL rules addresses this issue and brings the NATS more in line with other top level HL events. You are no longer required to get prior approval to switch planes and you are allowed to switch back to the primary plane later in the contest. What Chris and many others could not possibly know is how this change came about. It was through the initiative and major efforts of Tom Kiesling that this positive change has been made. In the past couple weeks there has been a dialog taking place between Tom, AMA officials and some other interested parties regarding this change. The AMA was very helpful, understanding and cooperative throughout. They had certain procedures that they were required to follow and had to fit the change into the existing AMA rule book structure. Part of that structure was the requirement to publicly post any rule book deviations prior to the contest. There are other, smaller adjustments to the HL rules that many HL contestants would like to see. These changes are currently being discussed and may soon be addressed in an actual rule book amendment. For now I would like to publicly thank Tom Kiesling, Steve Kaluf, Ed Franz, and the other AMA officials involved for their efforts to improve the AMA NATS HL rules. They did a great job of clearing up the primary problems with the rules on short notice. I am sure that their continued efforts in the coming months will further refine the rules and bring them up to date with other major HL events and keep pace with HL development that has occurred in DLG over recent years. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] Nats HLG Rules Update
When you put it like that, it makes a lot of sense. I am curious about the 2nd point that Chris brought up, tho - what happens if you get hit by another contestant? I can't imagine that any sane person would try and hit someone (as was suggested, I hope to make a point), but say you do get hit, hard enough to cause some flying issues? Is there any relief, something that a CD could or should do? I assume you can't just relight a group like you might in TD, but what options would there be to make a reasonable attempt to work it out with that pilot? Just curious - more curious since I've been drifing back into HL, Brent RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] Nats HLG Rules Update
File a protest. A contestant can be deemed unsportsmanlike and ejected or penalized. It has happened in the past. Steven Meyer SOAR LSF IV At 12:38 PM 7/20/2005, Douglas, Brent wrote: When you put it like that, it makes a lot of sense. I am curious about the 2nd point that Chris brought up, tho - what happens if you get hit by another contestant? I can't imagine that any sane person would try and hit someone (as was suggested, I hope to make a point), but say you do get hit, hard enough to cause some flying issues? Is there any relief, something that a CD could or should do? I assume you can't just relight a group like you might in TD, but what options would there be to make a reasonable attempt to work it out with that pilot? Just curious - more curious since I've been drifing back into HL, Brent RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Nats HLG Rules Update
At 10:16 AM 7/20/2005, you wrote: What Chris and many others could not possibly know is how this change came about. It was through the initiative and major efforts of Tom Kiesling that this positive change has been made. In the past couple weeks there has been a dialog taking place between Tom, AMA officials and some other interested parties regarding this change. The AMA was very helpful, understanding and cooperative throughout. They had certain procedures that they were required to follow and had to fit the change into the existing AMA rule book structure. Part of that structure was the requirement to publicly post any rule book deviations prior to the contest. There are other, smaller adjustments to the HL rules that many HL contestants would like to see. These changes are currently being discussed and may soon be addressed in an actual rule book amendment. For now I would like to publicly thank Tom Kiesling, Steve Kaluf, Ed Franz, and the other AMA officials involved for their efforts to improve the AMA NATS HL rules. They did a great job of clearing up the primary problems with the rules on short notice. I am sure that their continued efforts in the coming months will further refine the rules and bring them up to date with other major HL events and keep pace with HL development that has occurred in DLG over recent years. Sorry but I must disagree about how understanding and cooperative AMA is in fixing problems with the rules for the NATS. I still remember the efforts to delete the RES no skeg rule for the NATS last year. The no skeg rule for RES had been ignored at almost all contests except the Nats from the day RES became an official event. I have flown RES at the Mid South, Visalia, and the Tangerine as well as a lot of other contests between Florida and California and the no skeg rule was always waived. After we voted to remove the skeg restriction, several flyers requested that the no skeg be waved for the 2004 Nats. The request was denied with the EXCUSE that the rule book could not be waved even though the no skeg rule had been repealed effective January 1 2005. I DIDN'T BUY THE EXCUSE THEN AND I STILL DON'T. Paragraph 10.2.2b of the AMA Competition Regulations states that the time will be rounded to the nearest second. At the pilots meeting before the start of Unlimited at the 2004 Nats, we were instructed to drop all fractions of seconds from the flight time. Nobody objected to this violation of AMA Competition Regulations. Chuck Anderson RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
