Bill and John,
A couple of small items to consider in this discussion. First, Nostalgia was
never meant to be an event for wood, open framework sailplanes. It allows
almost any construction so long as the original was done that way and that
includes FRP, foam or whatever. What makes Nostalgia work is that you can
not change the topology of the plane especially the airfoil and that is what
keeps the event in line with what we would now consider low tech, not the
materials. Perhaps a case in point maybe if one took a Dole or one of
Dodgeson's designs and used some new computer tools to optimize the airfoils
for the planform, it probably could work fairly well in Unlimited today. It
is the airfoil that mostly limits performance.
Second, the RES event at the NATS had about 65 entrants (?) and I would not
consider that a low turnout for a one day event that was shared with
Nostalgia that had over 40 or 45 entrants (? did not go back and count). It
was still not an AMA event last year so this year should pick up a little.
There were not too many hi-tech planes last year at the NATS but look out
this year now that the rules are solid.
Where does that leave us? My thought only... RES will end up as another
Unlimited event with molded, high tech airfoil planes if the AMA rules are
followed (and they should be or changed through the formal process). I know
that's where I am headed. The Woodies may not be out of the running, but
they will still have modern airfoils and planforms and performance will be
close to the best molded ships of today.
Nostalgia will continue to grow little by little because the planes are in
fact much more limited to advancements so the people looking for less than
modern speed and cost will hang out there.Consistency usually works for
events over long periods of time.
In summary, if you want to invent and improve (most do) then keep to the RES
rules, if you want to limit performance, stay with Nostalgia.
Jack Iafret
Keeper of the Nostalgia Rules
- Original Message -
From: Bill Conkling [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: John Roe [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: rcse [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2002 12:37 PM
Subject: Re: [RCSE] RES what's in a name?
TMSS is considering an RES contest again this year. As so few
contestants enetered the AMA RES class last year, we are leaning toward a
local rule class requireing built up wood wings. We had both last year
since we were afraid that guys with new, high tech molded RES models would
dominate the event and circumvent the intent of the event. Didn't
happen. Only one high tech model showed up and it didn't really come on
like 'gangbusters'.
I'd suggest that you poll your market and see what the have to fly. For
us, the intent was to have a contest where you could bring the old stuff
and have fun. Have a contest aimed at the people who you expect to attend.
.bc([EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.widomaker.com/~conk
Williamsburg, VA 23185
On Wed, 9 Jan 2002, John Roe wrote:
The Harbor Soaring Society like many clubs has a group of pilots
who like to fly low tech planes, i.e. Rudder Elevator Spoiler only. This
question was debated; As a competition class, what other restrictions
should apply?
The majority were happy with the AMA definition of RES, which
allows any type of construction materials/methods and allows skegs.
The other options discussed were:
1. Nostalgia rules, meaning designs kitted during or before 1980.
2. TPG rules, meaning AMA rules but no skegs
3. Local rules, in this case meaning RES controls, no skegs, and wood
built up film covered wings, preferably constructed by the builder.
The argument for AMA rules was that it is the most popular, most
common and recognized. That it allows beginners or kids to buy a foamy or a
complete plane and use it without trying to build a built-up model. And that
the use of landing skegs makes landings much safer and especially for kids
or beginners less likely to damage the plane or injure spectators.
The argument for TPG rules was that Real men can land in a circle
without skegs.
The argument for nostalgia rules is that it is an established wood
built-up wing class.
The argument for Local Rules was that to achieve the goal of
having only built up wood planes by using Nostalgia rules was too
restrictive, as it doesn't allow for some popular designs after 1980. Also
some members have their own design/modifications etc. that would not be
allowed under nostalgia rules.
Any thoughts?
JR
John Roe
Laguna Hills, Ca
www.MartialArtsAcademy.org
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