Re: Nodes galore II (not ICE)
Poor guy that Joe Alter person. I still have the dongle for the initial Shave and a Haircut for Lightwave on the shelf. It never really worked properly and when Softimage bought into it, he showed all the Lightwave users who did the endless beta-testing of his broken code the highly raised middle finger, bragged about his 6-digit-sale, slapped some people verbally in the face as a good bye and was never seen again... Since then I keep hearing weird stories about his patent and how he deals with it. Tragic in a way if you are pinned down by a patent like that instead of being able to go on with your life and come up with new cool ideas... Cheers, Tom On 28 April 2012 19:15, Eric Turman i.anima...@gmail.com wrote: One could only hope that it will steer potential yeti customers to ICE hair solutions ;) On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 12:00 PM, Todd Akita tak...@earthlink.net wrote: Wow I'm sure that's gonna steer all those potential Yeti customers right to Joe Alter. -T On Apr 28, 2012, at 12:45 PM, Luc-Eric Rousseau luceri...@gmail.com wrote: Industry gossip: Joe Alter has been on a patent warpath lately, and Yeti announced they can't be sold in the US http://peregrinelabs.com/2012/04/to-our-us-customers/ On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 7:17 AM, Raffaele Fragapane raffsxsil...@googlemail.com wrote: It's not really, but it isn't a standard grooming toolset either. It's a hybrid approach of scope targeted graph managers that many companies in the high end of the business have had excellent luck with, and it does hair and grooming specific things (shaders, rendering partitioning and injection etc) that something as general purposed as ice can't do. Again, it doesn't go against ICE nor shave. It's a promising product to keep an eye on for the mid and small sized studios On Apr 12, 2012 6:50 PM, Andi Farhall andi.farh...@primefocusworld.com wrote: looks clunky to me, but then everything looks clunky compared to soft imho. Andi -Original Message- From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Stefan Kubicek Sent: 11 April 2012 22:29 To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Nodes galore II (not ICE) Just stumbled over this one, it looks like mbFeathers and Kristinka combined: http://peregrinelabs.com/yeti/ Not much to see in terms of videos or screenshots, but the price hints at quite a bit of self confidence there. Stefan -- -=T=-
Re: Nodes galore II (not ICE)
Wow, he comes across as such an arsehole! I didn't realize he sued Disney for technology relating to Tangled also! http://patentexaminer.org/2011/10/disney-sued-for-infringing-virtual-hair-raising-patent/ The Westlake Village resident claims Disney “reverse engineered” his technology, tweaking it along the way to help bring to life animated characters in Toy Story 3, Up, Finding Nemo and some of its other blockbuster films of late. He declined to speculate on whether the company copied his technology. Given Disney’s size and scope, Alter says, the infringement “will create a multi million dollar hole in [his] income and will dilute his brand.” “It’s a giant corporation that’s made a lot of money with my ideas and is now going to put me out of business, essentially,” Alter told The Patent Examiner during a phone call. DAN On Sun, Apr 29, 2012 at 12:20 PM, Thomas Helzle thomashel...@gmail.com wrote: Poor guy that Joe Alter person. I still have the dongle for the initial Shave and a Haircut for Lightwave on the shelf. It never really worked properly and when Softimage bought into it, he showed all the Lightwave users who did the endless beta-testing of his broken code the highly raised middle finger, bragged about his 6-digit-sale, slapped some people verbally in the face as a good bye and was never seen again... Since then I keep hearing weird stories about his patent and how he deals with it. Tragic in a way if you are pinned down by a patent like that instead of being able to go on with your life and come up with new cool ideas... Cheers, Tom On 28 April 2012 19:15, Eric Turman i.anima...@gmail.com wrote: One could only hope that it will steer potential yeti customers to ICE hair solutions ;) On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 12:00 PM, Todd Akita tak...@earthlink.net wrote: Wow I'm sure that's gonna steer all those potential Yeti customers right to Joe Alter. -T On Apr 28, 2012, at 12:45 PM, Luc-Eric Rousseau luceri...@gmail.com wrote: Industry gossip: Joe Alter has been on a patent warpath lately, and Yeti announced they can't be sold in the US http://peregrinelabs.com/2012/04/to-our-us-customers/ On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 7:17 AM, Raffaele Fragapane raffsxsil...@googlemail.com wrote: It's not really, but it isn't a standard grooming toolset either. It's a hybrid approach of scope targeted graph managers that many companies in the high end of the business have had excellent luck with, and it does hair and grooming specific things (shaders, rendering partitioning and injection etc) that something as general purposed as ice can't do. Again, it doesn't go against ICE nor shave. It's a promising product to keep an eye on for the mid and small sized studios On Apr 12, 2012 6:50 PM, Andi Farhall andi.farh...@primefocusworld.com wrote: looks clunky to me, but then everything looks clunky compared to soft imho. Andi -Original Message- From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Stefan Kubicek Sent: 11 April 2012 22:29 To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Nodes galore II (not ICE) Just stumbled over this one, it looks like mbFeathers and Kristinka combined: http://peregrinelabs.com/yeti/ Not much to see in terms of videos or screenshots, but the price hints at quite a bit of self confidence there. Stefan -- -=T=-
Re: Nodes galore II (not ICE)
Somehow I dont think Disney could have managed Rapunzels hair with 14 points per guide hair, nor the crappy collisions© But try and explain that to a copyright attorney. I wonder how: long till he sues Softimage for ICE strands? From: Dan Yargici Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2012 4:14 PM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: Nodes galore II (not ICE) Wow, he comes across as such an arsehole! I didn't realize he sued Disney for technology relating to Tangled also! http://patentexaminer.org/2011/10/disney-sued-for-infringing-virtual-hair-raising-patent/ The Westlake Village resident claims Disney “reverse engineered” his technology, tweaking it along the way to help bring to life animated characters in Toy Story 3, Up, Finding Nemo and some of its other blockbuster films of late. He declined to speculate on whether the company copied his technology. Given Disney’s size and scope, Alter says, the infringement “will create a multi million dollar hole in [his] income and will dilute his brand.” “It’s a giant corporation that’s made a lot of money with my ideas and is now going to put me out of business, essentially,” Alter told The Patent Examiner during a phone call. DAN On Sun, Apr 29, 2012 at 12:20 PM, Thomas Helzle thomashel...@gmail.com wrote: Poor guy that Joe Alter person. I still have the dongle for the initial Shave and a Haircut for Lightwave on the shelf. It never really worked properly and when Softimage bought into it, he showed all the Lightwave users who did the endless beta-testing of his broken code the highly raised middle finger, bragged about his 6-digit-sale, slapped some people verbally in the face as a good bye and was never seen again... Since then I keep hearing weird stories about his patent and how he deals with it. Tragic in a way if you are pinned down by a patent like that instead of being able to go on with your life and come up with new cool ideas... Cheers, Tom On 28 April 2012 19:15, Eric Turman i.anima...@gmail.com wrote: One could only hope that it will steer potential yeti customers to ICE hair solutions ;) On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 12:00 PM, Todd Akita tak...@earthlink.net wrote: Wow I'm sure that's gonna steer all those potential Yeti customers right to Joe Alter. -T On Apr 28, 2012, at 12:45 PM, Luc-Eric Rousseau luceri...@gmail.com wrote: Industry gossip: Joe Alter has been on a patent warpath lately, and Yeti announced they can't be sold in the US http://peregrinelabs.com/2012/04/to-our-us-customers/ On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 7:17 AM, Raffaele Fragapane raffsxsil...@googlemail.com wrote: It's not really, but it isn't a standard grooming toolset either. It's a hybrid approach of scope targeted graph managers that many companies in the high end of the business have had excellent luck with, and it does hair and grooming specific things (shaders, rendering partitioning and injection etc) that something as general purposed as ice can't do. Again, it doesn't go against ICE nor shave. It's a promising product to keep an eye on for the mid and small sized studios On Apr 12, 2012 6:50 PM, Andi Farhall andi.farh...@primefocusworld.com wrote: looks clunky to me, but then everything looks clunky compared to soft imho. Andi -Original Message- From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Stefan Kubicek Sent: 11 April 2012 22:29 To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Nodes galore II (not ICE) Just stumbled over this one, it looks like mbFeathers and Kristinka combined: http://peregrinelabs.com/yeti/ Not much to see in terms of videos or screenshots, but the price hints at quite a bit of self confidence there. Stefan -- -=T=-
Re: Nodes galore II (not ICE)
Ok, never knew he was that lame. 2012/4/29 pete...@skynet.be Somehow I dont think Disney could have managed Rapunzels hair with 14 points per guide hair, nor the crappy collisions© But try and explain that to a copyright attorney. I wonder how: long till he sues Softimage for ICE strands? *From:* Dan Yargici danyarg...@gmail.com *Sent:* Sunday, April 29, 2012 4:14 PM *To:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com *Subject:* Re: Nodes galore II (not ICE) Wow, he comes across as such an arsehole! I didn't realize he sued Disney for technology relating to Tangled also! http://patentexaminer.org/2011/10/disney-sued-for-infringing-virtual-hair-raising-patent/ The Westlake Village resident claims Disney “reverse engineered” his technology, tweaking it along the way to help bring to life animated characters in Toy Story 3, Up, Finding Nemo and some of its other blockbuster films of late. He declined to speculate on whether the company copied his technology. Given Disney’s size and scope, Alter says, the infringement “will create a multi million dollar hole in [his] income and will dilute his brand.” “It’s a giant corporation that’s made a lot of money with my ideas and is now going to put me out of business, essentially,” Alter told The Patent Examiner during a phone call. DAN On Sun, Apr 29, 2012 at 12:20 PM, Thomas Helzle thomashel...@gmail.com wrote: Poor guy that Joe Alter person. I still have the dongle for the initial Shave and a Haircut for Lightwave on the shelf. It never really worked properly and when Softimage bought into it, he showed all the Lightwave users who did the endless beta-testing of his broken code the highly raised middle finger, bragged about his 6-digit-sale, slapped some people verbally in the face as a good bye and was never seen again... Since then I keep hearing weird stories about his patent and how he deals with it. Tragic in a way if you are pinned down by a patent like that instead of being able to go on with your life and come up with new cool ideas... Cheers, Tom On 28 April 2012 19:15, Eric Turman i.anima...@gmail.com wrote: One could only hope that it will steer potential yeti customers to ICE hair solutions ;) On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 12:00 PM, Todd Akita tak...@earthlink.net wrote: Wow I'm sure that's gonna steer all those potential Yeti customers right to Joe Alter. -T On Apr 28, 2012, at 12:45 PM, Luc-Eric Rousseau luceri...@gmail.com wrote: Industry gossip: Joe Alter has been on a patent warpath lately, and Yeti announced they can't be sold in the US http://peregrinelabs.com/2012/04/to-our-us-customers/ On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 7:17 AM, Raffaele Fragapane raffsxsil...@googlemail.com wrote: It's not really, but it isn't a standard grooming toolset either. It's a hybrid approach of scope targeted graph managers that many companies in the high end of the business have had excellent luck with, and it does hair and grooming specific things (shaders, rendering partitioning and injection etc) that something as general purposed as ice can't do. Again, it doesn't go against ICE nor shave. It's a promising product to keep an eye on for the mid and small sized studios On Apr 12, 2012 6:50 PM, Andi Farhall andi.farh...@primefocusworld.com wrote: looks clunky to me, but then everything looks clunky compared to soft imho. Andi -Original Message- From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Stefan Kubicek Sent: 11 April 2012 22:29 To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Nodes galore II (not ICE) Just stumbled over this one, it looks like mbFeathers and Kristinka combined: http://peregrinelabs.com/yeti/ Not much to see in terms of videos or screenshots, but the price hints at quite a bit of self confidence there. Stefan -- -=T=-
Re: Nodes galore II (not ICE)
Sounds like he's within his rights to protect his property, and you're not going to beat a corporation like Disney by being Mr. Nice-guy. I think it's important to protect the small developer who's taken it to the point where they have a tool that people will pay for. Thiago, Helge, Holger, Eric Mootz, just to name a few, do us a great service and it's not cool for a company to step on them because they don't have a legal department. Would Disney try that with some software tool that Apple invented? No, because they'd get sued into the next century and they know it. Good for him, I hope it works out. Eric On Apr 29, 2012 10:16 AM, Dan Yargici danyarg...@gmail.com wrote: Wow, he comes across as such an arsehole! I didn't realize he sued Disney for technology relating to Tangled also! http://patentexaminer.org/2011/10/disney-sued-for-infringing-virtual-hair-raising-patent/ The Westlake Village resident claims Disney “reverse engineered” his technology, tweaking it along the way to help bring to life animated characters in Toy Story 3, Up, Finding Nemo and some of its other blockbuster films of late. He declined to speculate on whether the company copied his technology. Given Disney’s size and scope, Alter says, the infringement “will create a multi million dollar hole in [his] income and will dilute his brand.” “It’s a giant corporation that’s made a lot of money with my ideas and is now going to put me out of business, essentially,” Alter told The Patent Examiner during a phone call. DAN On Sun, Apr 29, 2012 at 12:20 PM, Thomas Helzle thomashel...@gmail.com wrote: Poor guy that Joe Alter person. I still have the dongle for the initial Shave and a Haircut for Lightwave on the shelf. It never really worked properly and when Softimage bought into it, he showed all the Lightwave users who did the endless beta-testing of his broken code the highly raised middle finger, bragged about his 6-digit-sale, slapped some people verbally in the face as a good bye and was never seen again... Since then I keep hearing weird stories about his patent and how he deals with it. Tragic in a way if you are pinned down by a patent like that instead of being able to go on with your life and come up with new cool ideas... Cheers, Tom On 28 April 2012 19:15, Eric Turman i.anima...@gmail.com wrote: One could only hope that it will steer potential yeti customers to ICE hair solutions ;) On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 12:00 PM, Todd Akita tak...@earthlink.net wrote: Wow I'm sure that's gonna steer all those potential Yeti customers right to Joe Alter. -T On Apr 28, 2012, at 12:45 PM, Luc-Eric Rousseau luceri...@gmail.com wrote: Industry gossip: Joe Alter has been on a patent warpath lately, and Yeti announced they can't be sold in the US http://peregrinelabs.com/2012/04/to-our-us-customers/ On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 7:17 AM, Raffaele Fragapane raffsxsil...@googlemail.com wrote: It's not really, but it isn't a standard grooming toolset either. It's a hybrid approach of scope targeted graph managers that many companies in the high end of the business have had excellent luck with, and it does hair and grooming specific things (shaders, rendering partitioning and injection etc) that something as general purposed as ice can't do. Again, it doesn't go against ICE nor shave. It's a promising product to keep an eye on for the mid and small sized studios On Apr 12, 2012 6:50 PM, Andi Farhall andi.farh...@primefocusworld.com wrote: looks clunky to me, but then everything looks clunky compared to soft imho. Andi -Original Message- From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Stefan Kubicek Sent: 11 April 2012 22:29 To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Nodes galore II (not ICE) Just stumbled over this one, it looks like mbFeathers and Kristinka combined: http://peregrinelabs.com/yeti/ Not much to see in terms of videos or screenshots, but the price hints at quite a bit of self confidence there. Stefan -- -=T=-
Re: Nodes galore II (not ICE)
...@primefocusworld.com wrote: looks clunky to me, but then everything looks clunky compared to soft imho. Andi -Original Message- From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Stefan Kubicek Sent: 11 April 2012 22:29 To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Nodes galore II (not ICE) Just stumbled over this one, it looks like mbFeathers and Kristinka combined: http://peregrinelabs.com/yeti/ Not much to see in terms of videos or screenshots, but the price hints at quite a bit of self confidence there. Stefan -- -=T=-
Re: Nodes galore II (not ICE)
OK, I appreciate that, I was careful to say he comes across as an asshole, not that he is. I'm still undecided really. Still though... “It’s a giant corporation that’s made a lot of money with my ideas and is now going to put me out of business, essentially,” ...sounds pretty trite if you ask me. DAN On Sun, Apr 29, 2012 at 6:44 PM, Eric Lampi ericla...@gmail.com wrote: Sounds like he's within his rights to protect his property, and you're not going to beat a corporation like Disney by being Mr. Nice-guy. I think it's important to protect the small developer who's taken it to the point where they have a tool that people will pay for. Thiago, Helge, Holger, Eric Mootz, just to name a few, do us a great service and it's not cool for a company to step on them because they don't have a legal department. Would Disney try that with some software tool that Apple invented? No, because they'd get sued into the next century and they know it. Good for him, I hope it works out. Eric On Apr 29, 2012 10:16 AM, Dan Yargici danyarg...@gmail.com wrote: Wow, he comes across as such an arsehole! I didn't realize he sued Disney for technology relating to Tangled also! http://patentexaminer.org/2011/10/disney-sued-for-infringing-virtual-hair-raising-patent/ The Westlake Village resident claims Disney “reverse engineered” his technology, tweaking it along the way to help bring to life animated characters in Toy Story 3, Up, Finding Nemo and some of its other blockbuster films of late. He declined to speculate on whether the company copied his technology. Given Disney’s size and scope, Alter says, the infringement “will create a multi million dollar hole in [his] income and will dilute his brand.” “It’s a giant corporation that’s made a lot of money with my ideas and is now going to put me out of business, essentially,” Alter told The Patent Examiner during a phone call. DAN On Sun, Apr 29, 2012 at 12:20 PM, Thomas Helzle thomashel...@gmail.com wrote: Poor guy that Joe Alter person. I still have the dongle for the initial Shave and a Haircut for Lightwave on the shelf. It never really worked properly and when Softimage bought into it, he showed all the Lightwave users who did the endless beta-testing of his broken code the highly raised middle finger, bragged about his 6-digit-sale, slapped some people verbally in the face as a good bye and was never seen again... Since then I keep hearing weird stories about his patent and how he deals with it. Tragic in a way if you are pinned down by a patent like that instead of being able to go on with your life and come up with new cool ideas... Cheers, Tom On 28 April 2012 19:15, Eric Turman i.anima...@gmail.com wrote: One could only hope that it will steer potential yeti customers to ICE hair solutions ;) On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 12:00 PM, Todd Akita tak...@earthlink.net wrote: Wow I'm sure that's gonna steer all those potential Yeti customers right to Joe Alter. -T On Apr 28, 2012, at 12:45 PM, Luc-Eric Rousseau luceri...@gmail.com wrote: Industry gossip: Joe Alter has been on a patent warpath lately, and Yeti announced they can't be sold in the US http://peregrinelabs.com/2012/04/to-our-us-customers/ On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 7:17 AM, Raffaele Fragapane raffsxsil...@googlemail.com wrote: It's not really, but it isn't a standard grooming toolset either. It's a hybrid approach of scope targeted graph managers that many companies in the high end of the business have had excellent luck with, and it does hair and grooming specific things (shaders, rendering partitioning and injection etc) that something as general purposed as ice can't do. Again, it doesn't go against ICE nor shave. It's a promising product to keep an eye on for the mid and small sized studios On Apr 12, 2012 6:50 PM, Andi Farhall andi.farh...@primefocusworld.com wrote: looks clunky to me, but then everything looks clunky compared to soft imho. Andi -Original Message- From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Stefan Kubicek Sent: 11 April 2012 22:29 To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Nodes galore II (not ICE) Just stumbled over this one, it looks like mbFeathers and Kristinka combined: http://peregrinelabs.com/yeti/ Not much to see in terms of videos or screenshots, but the price hints at quite a bit of self confidence there. Stefan -- -=T=-
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Actually, and sadly, it will. When you consider the average customer, who definitely doesn't follow the CGI news as much as we might, nor would care about this if he did, and how few products there are for this specific problem (for maya it's shave, and yeti, and that's about it), every license of yeti not sold in the States is a license of shave sold instead. Having seen extensively both, my feeling is this is complete and utter bullshit. There is hardly anything in common between the two systems, so I imagine the patent must be related to rendering time injection (because it sure as hell can't be related to the drastically different management and grooming approach), or one of those disputes that can only work thanks to a legal system that, in that domain, has taken the step into the twilight zone years ago and has never come back. Mind, not that anybody who's ever dealt, or heard of dealings, with the guy ever had a shadow of a doubt about what an incredible, litigious, self absorbed, vainglorious douche bag he is. On Sun, Apr 29, 2012 at 3:00 AM, Todd Akita tak...@earthlink.net wrote: Wow I'm sure that's gonna steer all those potential Yeti customers right to Joe Alter. -T
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On Sun, Apr 29, 2012 at 10:36 PM, Ed Manning etmth...@gmail.com wrote: Now I'm no lawyer (do we have any on the list? would that be a good thing or not?) but I'm pretty sure that once he'd reached a settlement with Disney, he *obligated* himself, under the hurtful and dated system (how right that description is!), to vigorously defend his patent against all other potential infringers. That is, unless he now pursues legal action against anyone and everyone who has a similar product that isn't *explicitly* proven to be non-infringing, I don't know man, I think you're confusing things with the trademark law. there is no need to defend your patent, and a settlements: is any kind of agreement between two parties, there are no rules about they are written and how they work. most likely a settlement contains language that makes payment not depend whether the patent is valid or not, t's just an agreement to not pursue the matter in court. these things are always under NDA.
Re: Nodes galore II (not ICE)
Industry gossip: Joe Alter has been on a patent warpath lately, and Yeti announced they can't be sold in the US http://peregrinelabs.com/2012/04/to-our-us-customers/ On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 7:17 AM, Raffaele Fragapane raffsxsil...@googlemail.com wrote: It's not really, but it isn't a standard grooming toolset either. It's a hybrid approach of scope targeted graph managers that many companies in the high end of the business have had excellent luck with, and it does hair and grooming specific things (shaders, rendering partitioning and injection etc) that something as general purposed as ice can't do. Again, it doesn't go against ICE nor shave. It's a promising product to keep an eye on for the mid and small sized studios On Apr 12, 2012 6:50 PM, Andi Farhall andi.farh...@primefocusworld.com wrote: looks clunky to me, but then everything looks clunky compared to soft imho. Andi -Original Message- From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Stefan Kubicek Sent: 11 April 2012 22:29 To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Nodes galore II (not ICE) Just stumbled over this one, it looks like mbFeathers and Kristinka combined: http://peregrinelabs.com/yeti/ Not much to see in terms of videos or screenshots, but the price hints at quite a bit of self confidence there. Stefan
Re: Nodes galore II (not ICE)
Wow I'm sure that's gonna steer all those potential Yeti customers right to Joe Alter. -T On Apr 28, 2012, at 12:45 PM, Luc-Eric Rousseau luceri...@gmail.com wrote: Industry gossip: Joe Alter has been on a patent warpath lately, and Yeti announced they can't be sold in the US http://peregrinelabs.com/2012/04/to-our-us-customers/ On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 7:17 AM, Raffaele Fragapane raffsxsil...@googlemail.com wrote: It's not really, but it isn't a standard grooming toolset either. It's a hybrid approach of scope targeted graph managers that many companies in the high end of the business have had excellent luck with, and it does hair and grooming specific things (shaders, rendering partitioning and injection etc) that something as general purposed as ice can't do. Again, it doesn't go against ICE nor shave. It's a promising product to keep an eye on for the mid and small sized studios On Apr 12, 2012 6:50 PM, Andi Farhall andi.farh...@primefocusworld.com wrote: looks clunky to me, but then everything looks clunky compared to soft imho. Andi -Original Message- From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Stefan Kubicek Sent: 11 April 2012 22:29 To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Nodes galore II (not ICE) Just stumbled over this one, it looks like mbFeathers and Kristinka combined: http://peregrinelabs.com/yeti/ Not much to see in terms of videos or screenshots, but the price hints at quite a bit of self confidence there. Stefan
