Re: SP2???

[Jens Lindgren]

I would love to see some 3rd-party rendering issues fixed. Softimage does
some bad stuff to UVs and Vertex Colors, etc. when exporting subdivided
meshes. For the people at Autodesk, I'm talking about SOFT-9244 and SOFT-
9630.

I also found another bug reported in Arnold that I don't know if it's fixed
already or not: SOFT-6372 Ability to query UVs at a particular time.

/Jens


On Mon, Sep 28, 2015 at 9:16 AM, phil harbath 
wrote:

> I got the following from Eric concerning the emRoads tool crashing in 2015
>
>
> Hi Phil,
>
> the exact cause of the crash is the following:
>
> These two functions crash in Softimage 2015 and Softimage 2015 SP1:
> X3DObject::.GetProperties().Find()
> X3DObject::GetPropertyFromName()
>
> The above functions are needed by the roads tool to find and read the road
> parameters.
>
> Best,
> Eric
>



-- 
Jens Lindgren

VFX Supervisor & Lead TD
Magoo 3D Studios 

Re: SP2???

[phil harbath]

I got the following from Eric concerning the emRoads tool crashing in 2015


Hi Phil,

the exact cause of the crash is the following:

These two functions crash in Softimage 2015 and Softimage 2015 SP1:
X3DObject::.GetProperties().Find()
X3DObject::GetPropertyFromName()

The above functions are needed by the roads tool to find and read the road 
parameters.


Best,
Eric 

Re: SP2???

[Christian Keller]

I think The Version i'm on, it already is fixed !

--
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m  +49 179 69 36 248

chris3...@me.com
Vimeo.com/channels/96149

> Am 25.09.2015 um 16:32 schrieb Martin Chatterjee 
> <martin.chatterjee.li...@googlemail.com>:
> 
> Hi Hsiao Ming,
> 
> that's great news.
> 
> Could you please confirm that the "Reinterpret Location" compound bug has 
> been fixed for the upcoming SP2?
> 
> As far as I'm concerned this is probably the most critical 2015 bug out there 
> and we are keen on getting that one solved.
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> 
> Martin
> 
> 
> --
>Martin Chatterjee
>  
> [ Freelance Technical Director ]
> [   http://www.chatterjee.de   ]
> [ https://vimeo.com/chatterjee ] 
> 
>> On Thu, Sep 17, 2015 at 8:19 AM, Hsiao Ming Chia 
>> <hsiao.ming.c...@autodesk.com> wrote:
>> Yes, there is another one coming soon.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Hsiao Ming
>> 
>> From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com 
>> [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Tenshi .
>> Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2015 2:19 AM
>> To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
>> Subject: Re: SP2???
>> 
>> I'm waiting for that too. Please AD, do it. 2015 SP1 has a few things to 
>> fix. :)
>> 
>> On Wed, Sep 16, 2015 at 5:46 AM, Leendert A. Hartog 
>> <hirazib...@live.nl<mailto:hirazib...@live.nl>> wrote:
>> I might have missed the announcement, if so, sorry, but can we still expect 
>> a Softimage 2015 Service Pack 2 and if so, when will it be released?
>> 
>> Greetz
>> Leendert
>> AKA Hirazi Blue
>> Softimage hobbyist, admin at si-community.com<http://si-community.com> & 
>> xsiforum.de<http://xsiforum.de>
> 

Re: SP2???

[Hsiao Ming Chia]

Hi Martin,

Yes, it’s one of the defects in the fixed list.

Thanks,
Hsiao Ming

From: martin.chatter...@gmail.com [mailto:martin.chatter...@gmail.com] On 
Behalf Of Martin Chatterjee
Sent: Friday, September 25, 2015 10:32 PM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com; Hsiao Ming Chia
Subject: SPAM: Re: SP2???

Hi Hsiao Ming,

that's great news.

Could you please confirm that the "Reinterpret Location" compound bug has been 
fixed for the upcoming SP2?

As far as I'm concerned this is probably the most critical 2015 bug out there 
and we are keen on getting that one solved.

Thanks in advance,

Martin


--
   Martin Chatterjee

[ Freelance Technical Director ]
[   http://www.chatterjee.de<http://www.chatterjee.de/>   ]
[ https://vimeo.com/chatterjee ]

On Thu, Sep 17, 2015 at 8:19 AM, Hsiao Ming Chia 
<hsiao.ming.c...@autodesk.com<mailto:hsiao.ming.c...@autodesk.com>> wrote:
Yes, there is another one coming soon.

Thanks,
Hsiao Ming

From: 
softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com>
 
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com>]
 On Behalf Of Tenshi .
Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2015 2:19 AM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com>
Subject: Re: SP2???

I'm waiting for that too. Please AD, do it. 2015 SP1 has a few things to fix. :)

On Wed, Sep 16, 2015 at 5:46 AM, Leendert A. Hartog 
<hirazib...@live.nl<mailto:hirazib...@live.nl><mailto:hirazib...@live.nl<mailto:hirazib...@live.nl>>>
 wrote:
I might have missed the announcement, if so, sorry, but can we still expect a 
Softimage 2015 Service Pack 2 and if so, when will it be released?

Greetz
Leendert
AKA Hirazi Blue
Softimage hobbyist, admin at 
si-community.com<http://si-community.com><http://si-community.com> & 
xsiforum.de<http://xsiforum.de><http://xsiforum.de>

<>

Re: SP2???

[Leonard Koch]

One interesting bug that we recently hit is that Softimage crashes when you
load a 32 bit image (exr or hdr) into a texture map and then try to use it
in ICE.
This issue only occurs on CentOS 6.2.

Let me know if you want a simple repro scene.

Cheers
Leonard
On Sep 25, 2015 4:33 PM, "Martin Chatterjee" <
martin.chatterjee.li...@googlemail.com> wrote:

> Hi Hsiao Ming,
>
> that's great news.
>
> Could you please confirm that the *"Reinterpret Location"* compound bug
> has been fixed for the upcoming SP2?
>
> As far as I'm concerned this is probably the most critical 2015 bug out
> there and we are keen on getting that one solved.
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Martin
>
>
> --
>Martin Chatterjee
>
> [ Freelance Technical Director ]
> [   http://www.chatterjee.de   ]
> [ https://vimeo.com/chatterjee ]
>
> On Thu, Sep 17, 2015 at 8:19 AM, Hsiao Ming Chia <
> hsiao.ming.c...@autodesk.com> wrote:
>
>> Yes, there is another one coming soon.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Hsiao Ming
>>
>> From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:
>> softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Tenshi .
>> Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2015 2:19 AM
>> To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
>> Subject: Re: SP2???
>>
>> I'm waiting for that too. Please AD, do it. 2015 SP1 has a few things to
>> fix. :)
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 16, 2015 at 5:46 AM, Leendert A. Hartog <hirazib...@live.nl
>> <mailto:hirazib...@live.nl>> wrote:
>> I might have missed the announcement, if so, sorry, but can we still
>> expect a Softimage 2015 Service Pack 2 and if so, when will it be released?
>>
>> Greetz
>> Leendert
>> AKA Hirazi Blue
>> Softimage hobbyist, admin at si-community.com<http://si-community.com> &
>> xsiforum.de<http://xsiforum.de>
>>
>>
>

Re: SP2???

[peter_b]

of course I do - it wasn't serious.
and it's not just a matter of shear amount of resources needed - there's the 
interdependence of bugs and code - fix one thing, you might break another - 
perhaps some issues/solutions are mutually exclusive.


still - for a final release (this one will be the last ever, will it not?) 
it would be nice to go out with a tiny bang


-Original Message- 
From: Matt Lind

Sent: Friday, September 25, 2015 1:26 AM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: Re: SP2???

You realize any major 3D application has literally thousands of active bugs
at any one time, right?  Even with a team of 100 developers doing nothing
but bug fixing it's unlikely the application would ever reach bug-free
status.

The goal at this point is to remove all blocking issues and ensure features
that currently work do not regress.  Basically, just the stuff I reported.
The rest is unimportant ;-)



Matt





Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2015 16:21:01 +0200
From: <pete...@skynet.be>
Subject: Re: SP2???
To: <softimage@listproc.autodesk.com>

likely last softimage SP ever, so if it leaves one bug alive, it?s not
enough...
From: Cesar Saez
Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2015 11:04 AM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: Re: SP2???

Prepare yourself to read people  complaining about the lack of new
features/bugfixes on SP2... Tough crowd :)
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From: Pierre Schiller <activemotionpictu...@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Lucas Martell VFXPHD - xsi lighting // Video reference?
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
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Hi Peter, I saw the vfxphd back in 2011. the subscription is yearly. so I
only remember he did some compo with the matte shadow and GI
That?s the only thing I?m asking: if anyone saw it (I believe it was lesson
2 or 3). Summarizing has nothing wrong.
*I didn?t say/wrote *"DESCRIBE SOME OF THEIR LESSON MATERIALS". So please
focus back on reading what I specifically wrote. Not what you think you?ve
read.

Good day.

On Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at 9:18 AM, <pete...@skynet.be> wrote:


come on man,
?I don?t have access to phdvfx so please tell me what was in some of their
lesson materials??
not the way to ask.




*From:* Pierre Schiller <activemotionpictu...@gmail.com>
*Sent:* Thursday, September 24, 2015 3:17 PM
*To:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
*Subject:* Re: Lucas Martell VFXPHD - xsi lighting // Video reference?


Bump
On Sep 22, 2015 11:03 AM, "Pierre Schiller" <
activemotionpictu...@gmail.com> wrote:


Hi, long ago (years ago) I saw the vfx phd with Lucas Martell about
lighting in xsi.
I seem to recall on lesson 2 or 3 he talks about making a shadow matte
pass to "mask"
another GI pass he made with physical sun. I would like to know if anyone
could please
share the steps in that video correctly? since I don?t have access to
phdvfx.
I?ve been doing my own setup but it?s nothing like he did it.

Please help.
Thanks.

Best regards.

--
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From: "Leendert A. Hartog" <hirazib...@live.nl>
Subject: Re: SP2???
To: <softimage@listproc.autodesk.com>
Message-ID: <blu184-ds81d55b6dedc44d3504764df...@phx.gbl>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

But if they are able to iron out ALL of the bugs, that would be a unique
selling-point to resurrect the software...
And that?s not even the main reason for that not being likely to happen.

Greetz
Leendert
AKA Hirazi Blue
Softimage hobbyist, admin at si-community.com & xsiforum.de


From: pete...@skynet.be
Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2015 4:21 PM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: Re: SP2???

likely last softimage SP ever, so if it leaves one bug alive, it?s not
enough...
From: Cesar Saez
Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2015 11:04 AM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: Re: SP2???

Prepare yourself to read people  complaining about the lack of new
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Re: SP2???

[Jason S]

  
  
On 09/24/15 19:47, Phil Harbath wrote:


  
  
There
  was a problem that broke the roads feature in emtopology in
  2015, not sure if Eric conveyed that to them.
  
  

  


Could that be another case of an in-compound nested 'reinterpret
location' node? 


  

Re: SP2???

[Martin Chatterjee]

Hi Hsiao Ming,

that's great news.

Could you please confirm that the *"Reinterpret Location"* compound bug has
been fixed for the upcoming SP2?

As far as I'm concerned this is probably the most critical 2015 bug out
there and we are keen on getting that one solved.

Thanks in advance,

Martin


--
   Martin Chatterjee

[ Freelance Technical Director ]
[   http://www.chatterjee.de   ]
[ https://vimeo.com/chatterjee ]

On Thu, Sep 17, 2015 at 8:19 AM, Hsiao Ming Chia <
hsiao.ming.c...@autodesk.com> wrote:

> Yes, there is another one coming soon.
>
> Thanks,
> Hsiao Ming
>
> From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:
> softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Tenshi .
> Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2015 2:19 AM
> To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
> Subject: Re: SP2???
>
> I'm waiting for that too. Please AD, do it. 2015 SP1 has a few things to
> fix. :)
>
> On Wed, Sep 16, 2015 at 5:46 AM, Leendert A. Hartog <hirazib...@live.nl
> <mailto:hirazib...@live.nl>> wrote:
> I might have missed the announcement, if so, sorry, but can we still
> expect a Softimage 2015 Service Pack 2 and if so, when will it be released?
>
> Greetz
> Leendert
> AKA Hirazi Blue
> Softimage hobbyist, admin at si-community.com<http://si-community.com> &
> xsiforum.de<http://xsiforum.de>
>
>

Re: SP2???

[Cesar Saez]

Prepare yourself to read people  complaining about the lack of new
features/bugfixes on SP2... Tough crowd :)

Re: SP2???

[peter_b]

likely last softimage SP ever, so if it leaves one bug alive, it’s not enough...
From: Cesar Saez 
Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2015 11:04 AM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com 
Subject: Re: SP2???

Prepare yourself to read people  complaining about the lack of new 
features/bugfixes on SP2... Tough crowd :)

Re: SP2???

[Leendert A. Hartog]

But if they are able to iron out ALL of the bugs, that would be a unique 
selling-point to resurrect the software... 
And that’s not even the main reason for that not being likely to happen.

Greetz
Leendert
AKA Hirazi Blue
Softimage hobbyist, admin at si-community.com & xsiforum.de


From: pete...@skynet.be 
Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2015 4:21 PM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com 
Subject: Re: SP2???

likely last softimage SP ever, so if it leaves one bug alive, it’s not enough...
From: Cesar Saez 
Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2015 11:04 AM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com 
Subject: Re: SP2???

Prepare yourself to read people  complaining about the lack of new 
features/bugfixes on SP2... Tough crowd :)

RE: SP2???

[Phil Harbath]

There was a problem that broke the roads feature in emtopology in 2015, not 
sure if Eric conveyed that to them.

-Original Message-
From: "Matt Lind" <speye...@hotmail.com>
Sent: ‎9/‎24/‎2015 7:26 PM
To: "softimage@listproc.autodesk.com" <softimage@listproc.autodesk.com>
Subject: Re: SP2???

You realize any major 3D application has literally thousands of active bugs 
at any one time, right?  Even with a team of 100 developers doing nothing 
but bug fixing it's unlikely the application would ever reach bug-free 
status.

The goal at this point is to remove all blocking issues and ensure features 
that currently work do not regress.  Basically, just the stuff I reported. 
The rest is unimportant ;-)



Matt





Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2015 16:21:01 +0200
From: <pete...@skynet.be>
Subject: Re: SP2???
To: <softimage@listproc.autodesk.com>

likely last softimage SP ever, so if it leaves one bug alive, it?s not 
enough...
From: Cesar Saez
Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2015 11:04 AM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: Re: SP2???

Prepare yourself to read people  complaining about the lack of new 
features/bugfixes on SP2... Tough crowd :)
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From: Pierre Schiller <activemotionpictu...@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Lucas Martell VFXPHD - xsi lighting // Video reference?
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
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Hi Peter, I saw the vfxphd back in 2011. the subscription is yearly. so I
only remember he did some compo with the matte shadow and GI
That?s the only thing I?m asking: if anyone saw it (I believe it was lesson
2 or 3). Summarizing has nothing wrong.
*I didn?t say/wrote *"DESCRIBE SOME OF THEIR LESSON MATERIALS". So please
focus back on reading what I specifically wrote. Not what you think you?ve
read.

Good day.

On Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at 9:18 AM, <pete...@skynet.be> wrote:

> come on man,
> ?I don?t have access to phdvfx so please tell me what was in some of their
> lesson materials??
> not the way to ask.
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Pierre Schiller <activemotionpictu...@gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Thursday, September 24, 2015 3:17 PM
> *To:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
> *Subject:* Re: Lucas Martell VFXPHD - xsi lighting // Video reference?
>
>
> Bump
> On Sep 22, 2015 11:03 AM, "Pierre Schiller" <
> activemotionpictu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi, long ago (years ago) I saw the vfx phd with Lucas Martell about
>> lighting in xsi.
>> I seem to recall on lesson 2 or 3 he talks about making a shadow matte
>> pass to "mask"
>> another GI pass he made with physical sun. I would like to know if anyone
>> could please
>> share the steps in that video correctly? since I don?t have access to
>> phdvfx.
>> I?ve been doing my own setup but it?s nothing like he did it.
>>
>> Please help.
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Best regards.
>>
>> --
>> Portfolio 2013 <http://be.net/3dcinetv>
>> Cinema & TV production
>> Video Reel <https://vimeo.com/3dcinetv/reel2012>
>>
>


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From: "Leendert A. Hartog" <hirazib...@live.nl>
Subject: Re: SP2???
To: <softimage@listproc.autodesk.com>
Message-ID: <blu184-ds81d55b6dedc44d3504764df...@phx.gbl>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

But if they are able to iron out ALL of the bugs, that would be a unique 
selling-point to resurrect the software...
And that?s not even the main reason for that not being likely to happen.

Greetz
Leendert
AKA Hirazi Blue
Softimage hobbyist, admin at si-community.com & xsiforum.de


From: pete...@skynet.be
Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2015 4:21 PM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: Re: SP2???

likely last softimage SP ever, so if it leaves one bug alive, it?s not 
enough...
From: Cesar Saez
Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2015 11:04 AM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: Re: SP2???

Prepare yourself to read people  complaining about the lack of new 
features/bugfixes on SP2... Tough crowd :)

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Re: SP2???

[Matt Lind]

You realize any major 3D application has literally thousands of active bugs 
at any one time, right?  Even with a team of 100 developers doing nothing 
but bug fixing it's unlikely the application would ever reach bug-free 
status.


The goal at this point is to remove all blocking issues and ensure features 
that currently work do not regress.  Basically, just the stuff I reported. 
The rest is unimportant ;-)




Matt





Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2015 16:21:01 +0200
From: <pete...@skynet.be>
Subject: Re: SP2???
To: <softimage@listproc.autodesk.com>

likely last softimage SP ever, so if it leaves one bug alive, it?s not 
enough...

From: Cesar Saez
Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2015 11:04 AM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: Re: SP2???

Prepare yourself to read people  complaining about the lack of new 
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From: Pierre Schiller <activemotionpictu...@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Lucas Martell VFXPHD - xsi lighting // Video reference?
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

Hi Peter, I saw the vfxphd back in 2011. the subscription is yearly. so I
only remember he did some compo with the matte shadow and GI
That?s the only thing I?m asking: if anyone saw it (I believe it was lesson
2 or 3). Summarizing has nothing wrong.
*I didn?t say/wrote *"DESCRIBE SOME OF THEIR LESSON MATERIALS". So please
focus back on reading what I specifically wrote. Not what you think you?ve
read.

Good day.

On Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at 9:18 AM, <pete...@skynet.be> wrote:


come on man,
?I don?t have access to phdvfx so please tell me what was in some of their
lesson materials??
not the way to ask.




*From:* Pierre Schiller <activemotionpictu...@gmail.com>
*Sent:* Thursday, September 24, 2015 3:17 PM
*To:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
*Subject:* Re: Lucas Martell VFXPHD - xsi lighting // Video reference?


Bump
On Sep 22, 2015 11:03 AM, "Pierre Schiller" <
activemotionpictu...@gmail.com> wrote:


Hi, long ago (years ago) I saw the vfx phd with Lucas Martell about
lighting in xsi.
I seem to recall on lesson 2 or 3 he talks about making a shadow matte
pass to "mask"
another GI pass he made with physical sun. I would like to know if anyone
could please
share the steps in that video correctly? since I don?t have access to
phdvfx.
I?ve been doing my own setup but it?s nothing like he did it.

Please help.
Thanks.

Best regards.

--
Portfolio 2013 <http://be.net/3dcinetv>
Cinema & TV production
Video Reel <https://vimeo.com/3dcinetv/reel2012>






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From: "Leendert A. Hartog" <hirazib...@live.nl>
Subject: Re: SP2???
To: <softimage@listproc.autodesk.com>
Message-ID: <blu184-ds81d55b6dedc44d3504764df...@phx.gbl>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

But if they are able to iron out ALL of the bugs, that would be a unique 
selling-point to resurrect the software...

And that?s not even the main reason for that not being likely to happen.

Greetz
Leendert
AKA Hirazi Blue
Softimage hobbyist, admin at si-community.com & xsiforum.de


From: pete...@skynet.be
Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2015 4:21 PM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: Re: SP2???

likely last softimage SP ever, so if it leaves one bug alive, it?s not 
enough...

From: Cesar Saez
Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2015 11:04 AM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: Re: SP2???

Prepare yourself to read people  complaining about the lack of new 
features/bugfixes on SP2... Tough crowd :)


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Re: SP2???

[Pierre Schiller]

BEST NEWS today!!

On Mon, Sep 21, 2015 at 6:59 PM, Ed Manning <etmth...@gmail.com> wrote:

> That is wonderful news
>
> On Thu, Sep 17, 2015 at 2:19 AM, Hsiao Ming Chia <
> hsiao.ming.c...@autodesk.com> wrote:
>
>> Yes, there is another one coming soon.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Hsiao Ming
>>
>> From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:
>> softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Tenshi .
>> Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2015 2:19 AM
>> To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
>> Subject: Re: SP2???
>>
>> I'm waiting for that too. Please AD, do it. 2015 SP1 has a few things to
>> fix. :)
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 16, 2015 at 5:46 AM, Leendert A. Hartog <hirazib...@live.nl
>> <mailto:hirazib...@live.nl>> wrote:
>> I might have missed the announcement, if so, sorry, but can we still
>> expect a Softimage 2015 Service Pack 2 and if so, when will it be released?
>>
>> Greetz
>> Leendert
>> AKA Hirazi Blue
>> Softimage hobbyist, admin at si-community.com<http://si-community.com> &
>> xsiforum.de<http://xsiforum.de>
>>
>>
>


-- 
Portfolio 2013 <http://be.net/3dcinetv>
Cinema & TV production
Video Reel <https://vimeo.com/3dcinetv/reel2012>

RE: SP2???

[Phil Harbath]

Here's hoping I don't need to install previous version first, never got around 
to it last time for that reason.

-Original Message-
From: "Pierre Schiller" <activemotionpictu...@gmail.com>
Sent: ‎9/‎22/‎2015 12:42 PM
To: "softimage@listproc.autodesk.com" <softimage@listproc.autodesk.com>
Subject: Re: SP2???

BEST NEWS today!!

On Mon, Sep 21, 2015 at 6:59 PM, Ed Manning <etmth...@gmail.com> wrote:

> That is wonderful news
>
> On Thu, Sep 17, 2015 at 2:19 AM, Hsiao Ming Chia <
> hsiao.ming.c...@autodesk.com> wrote:
>
>> Yes, there is another one coming soon.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Hsiao Ming
>>
>> From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:
>> softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Tenshi .
>> Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2015 2:19 AM
>> To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
>> Subject: Re: SP2???
>>
>> I'm waiting for that too. Please AD, do it. 2015 SP1 has a few things to
>> fix. :)
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 16, 2015 at 5:46 AM, Leendert A. Hartog <hirazib...@live.nl
>> <mailto:hirazib...@live.nl>> wrote:
>> I might have missed the announcement, if so, sorry, but can we still
>> expect a Softimage 2015 Service Pack 2 and if so, when will it be released?
>>
>> Greetz
>> Leendert
>> AKA Hirazi Blue
>> Softimage hobbyist, admin at si-community.com<http://si-community.com> &
>> xsiforum.de<http://xsiforum.de>
>>
>>
>


-- 
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Cinema & TV production
Video Reel <https://vimeo.com/3dcinetv/reel2012>

Re: SP2???

[Steven Caron]

ya, that was/is lame

On Tue, Sep 22, 2015 at 10:01 AM, Phil Harbath 
wrote:

> Here's hoping I don't need to install previous version first, never got
> around to it last time for that reason.
>

Re: SP2???

[Ed Manning]

That is wonderful news

On Thu, Sep 17, 2015 at 2:19 AM, Hsiao Ming Chia <
hsiao.ming.c...@autodesk.com> wrote:

> Yes, there is another one coming soon.
>
> Thanks,
> Hsiao Ming
>
> From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:
> softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Tenshi .
> Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2015 2:19 AM
> To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
> Subject: Re: SP2???
>
> I'm waiting for that too. Please AD, do it. 2015 SP1 has a few things to
> fix. :)
>
> On Wed, Sep 16, 2015 at 5:46 AM, Leendert A. Hartog <hirazib...@live.nl
> <mailto:hirazib...@live.nl>> wrote:
> I might have missed the announcement, if so, sorry, but can we still
> expect a Softimage 2015 Service Pack 2 and if so, when will it be released?
>
> Greetz
> Leendert
> AKA Hirazi Blue
> Softimage hobbyist, admin at si-community.com<http://si-community.com> &
> xsiforum.de<http://xsiforum.de>
>
>

Re: SP2???

[Jens Lindgren]

Awesome! Hope there will be a little more and serious fixes than SP1 :)

/Jens

On Fri, Sep 18, 2015 at 2:05 AM, Tenshi . <tenshu...@gmail.com> wrote:

> If this is true.. Applause for the XSI team, will be the last.. :(
>
> On Thu, Sep 17, 2015 at 11:50 AM, Andres Stephens <drais...@outlook.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Wonderful news.
>>
>>
>>
>>  Original message 
>> From: Hsiao Ming Chia <hsiao.ming.c...@autodesk.com>
>> Date: 17/09/2015 01:20 (GMT-05:00)
>> To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
>> Subject: RE: SP2???
>>
>> Yes, there is another one coming soon.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Hsiao Ming
>>
>> From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [
>> mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com
>> <softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com>] On Behalf Of Tenshi .
>> Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2015 2:19 AM
>> To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
>> Subject: Re: SP2???
>>
>> I'm waiting for that too. Please AD, do it. 2015 SP1 has a few things to
>> fix. :)
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 16, 2015 at 5:46 AM, Leendert A. Hartog <hirazib...@live.nl
>> <mailto:hirazib...@live.nl>> wrote:
>> I might have missed the announcement, if so, sorry, but can we still
>> expect a Softimage 2015 Service Pack 2 and if so, when will it be released?
>>
>> Greetz
>> Leendert
>> AKA Hirazi Blue
>> Softimage hobbyist, admin at si-community.com<http://si-community.com> &
>> xsiforum.de<http://xsiforum.de>
>>
>>
>


-- 
Jens Lindgren

VFX Supervisor & Lead TD
Magoo 3D Studios <http://www.magoo3dstudios.com/>

RE: SP2???

[Hsiao Ming Chia]

Yes, there is another one coming soon.

Thanks,
Hsiao Ming

From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com 
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Tenshi .
Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2015 2:19 AM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: Re: SP2???

I'm waiting for that too. Please AD, do it. 2015 SP1 has a few things to fix. :)

On Wed, Sep 16, 2015 at 5:46 AM, Leendert A. Hartog 
<hirazib...@live.nl<mailto:hirazib...@live.nl>> wrote:
I might have missed the announcement, if so, sorry, but can we still expect a 
Softimage 2015 Service Pack 2 and if so, when will it be released?

Greetz
Leendert
AKA Hirazi Blue
Softimage hobbyist, admin at si-community.com<http://si-community.com> & 
xsiforum.de<http://xsiforum.de>

<>

Re: SP2???

[Alen]

That is nice.

A

On 9/17/2015 8:19 AM, Hsiao Ming Chia wrote:

Yes, there is another one coming soon.

Thanks,
Hsiao Ming

From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com 
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Tenshi .
Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2015 2:19 AM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: Re: SP2???

I'm waiting for that too. Please AD, do it. 2015 SP1 has a few things to fix. :)

On Wed, Sep 16, 2015 at 5:46 AM, Leendert A. Hartog 
<hirazib...@live.nl<mailto:hirazib...@live.nl>> wrote:
I might have missed the announcement, if so, sorry, but can we still expect a 
Softimage 2015 Service Pack 2 and if so, when will it be released?

Greetz
Leendert
AKA Hirazi Blue
Softimage hobbyist, admin at si-community.com<http://si-community.com> & 
xsiforum.de<http://xsiforum.de>

Re: SP2???

[Andres Stephens]

Wonderful news.


 Original message 
From: Hsiao Ming Chia <hsiao.ming.c...@autodesk.com>
Date: 17/09/2015  01:20  (GMT-05:00)
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: RE: SP2???

Yes, there is another one coming soon.

Thanks,
Hsiao Ming

From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com 
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Tenshi .
Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2015 2:19 AM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: Re: SP2???

I'm waiting for that too. Please AD, do it. 2015 SP1 has a few things to fix. :)

On Wed, Sep 16, 2015 at 5:46 AM, Leendert A. Hartog 
<hirazib...@live.nl<mailto:hirazib...@live.nl>> wrote:
I might have missed the announcement, if so, sorry, but can we still expect a 
Softimage 2015 Service Pack 2 and if so, when will it be released?

Greetz
Leendert
AKA Hirazi Blue
Softimage hobbyist, admin at si-community.com<http://si-community.com> & 
xsiforum.de<http://xsiforum.de>

Re: SP2???

[Tenshi .]

If this is true.. Applause for the XSI team, will be the last.. :(

On Thu, Sep 17, 2015 at 11:50 AM, Andres Stephens <drais...@outlook.com>
wrote:

> Wonderful news.
>
>
>
>  Original message 
> From: Hsiao Ming Chia <hsiao.ming.c...@autodesk.com>
> Date: 17/09/2015 01:20 (GMT-05:00)
> To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
> Subject: RE: SP2???
>
> Yes, there is another one coming soon.
>
> Thanks,
> Hsiao Ming
>
> From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [
> mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com
> <softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com>] On Behalf Of Tenshi .
> Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2015 2:19 AM
> To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
> Subject: Re: SP2???
>
> I'm waiting for that too. Please AD, do it. 2015 SP1 has a few things to
> fix. :)
>
> On Wed, Sep 16, 2015 at 5:46 AM, Leendert A. Hartog <hirazib...@live.nl
> <mailto:hirazib...@live.nl>> wrote:
> I might have missed the announcement, if so, sorry, but can we still
> expect a Softimage 2015 Service Pack 2 and if so, when will it be released?
>
> Greetz
> Leendert
> AKA Hirazi Blue
> Softimage hobbyist, admin at si-community.com<http://si-community.com> &
> xsiforum.de<http://xsiforum.de>
>
>

Re: SP2???

[Tenshi .]

I'm waiting for that too. Please AD, do it. 2015 SP1 has a few things to
fix. :)

On Wed, Sep 16, 2015 at 5:46 AM, Leendert A. Hartog 
wrote:

> I might have missed the announcement, if so, sorry, but can we still
> expect a Softimage 2015 Service Pack 2 and if so, when will it be released?
>
> Greetz
> Leendert
> AKA Hirazi Blue
> Softimage hobbyist, admin at si-community.com & xsiforum.de
>

Re: SP2

[Hans Payer]

Same here. new compiled plugins loads in SP2 but not in SP1.


On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 7:58 PM, Nicolas Burtnyk nico...@redshift3d.comwrote:

 2014 SP2 *does* have API changes, even to the extent that plugins compiled
 against 2014 SP1 are not loadable in 2014 SP2.

 Our installer got broken by the weirdness in version numbers.  In all
 versions back to 2011 (and probably before that), the minor version
 referred to the SP#, i.e. 2011 SP2 is 9.2..  The SAPs start at minor
 version 5, with a similar +1 on the minor for SPs, e.g. 2011 SAP SP1 is
 9.6..

 So I agree that the version number is wrong for 2014 SP2.




 On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 3:41 PM, Luc-Eric Rousseau luceri...@gmail.comwrote:

 looks alright to me.

 the build number change tell me SP2 is indistinguishable from SP1
 except it's got some code change that caused 5 builds but dont affect
 API or scene file. However, if SP1 is indeed a 11.1 instead of 11.0,
 then there must have been API change or something that affects the
 version of the scene file.

 you can see other examples of build numbers here..
 http://xsisupport.com/2012/07/18/softimage-build-versions

 2011 SP2 changed persistence. goddamn shader persistance bug and the
 only time we've done a SP2 at ADSK


 On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 4:37 PM, Hans Payer hanspa...@gmail.com wrote:
  0.0.05 rather
 
 
  On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 4:36 PM, Hans Payer hanspa...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
  Please someone explain,
 
  How does naming a release SP2 compare to SP1 has a version number
  increment of 0.0.03?
 
  2014 SP1 = 12.1.94
  2014 SP2 = 12.1.99
 
  Should itnot  have been at least 12.2.xx?
 
  You can blame my code but I always have relied on point version to
  differenciate versions.In this case they both return 12.1.
 
  It has always been consistent at least since 2010. Why different now?

Re: SP2

[Hans Payer]

0.0.05 rather


On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 4:36 PM, Hans Payer hanspa...@gmail.com wrote:

 Please someone explain,

 How does naming a release SP2 compare to SP1 has a version number
 increment of 0.0.03?

 2014 SP1 = 12.1.94
 2014 SP2 = 12.1.99

 Should itnot  have been at least 12.2.xx?

 You can blame my code but I always have relied on point version to
 differenciate versions.In this case they both return 12.1.

 It has always been consistent at least since 2010. Why different now?

 Hans

RE: SP2

[Sven Constable]

Naming software after their correct versions sells them not quite as good as
numbers in years for example. At least for the people in marketing
devisions. The fact that versioning was (and is) always strictly ruled by
certain changes,  is something marketing monkeys seems to have a problem
with. Some companies name their updates regardless of the correct versioning
evolvement. Very unprofessional, to say the least.

Besides this example of the unclear naming, the service pack versioning you
meantioned may be ok since it's a SP and could be considered as a
hotfix. I think AD would't call it a hotfix, because it doesn't sells very
well. Furthermore, a SP isn't a term inside the versioning convention you're
talking about. Basically it doesn't mean something at all. So I think a SP
can be anything, doesn't matter what or what not it is including.

 

sven

 

From:  mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com
softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [
mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com
mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Hans Payer
Sent: Monday, July 29, 2013 10:37 PM
To:  mailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: SP2

 

Please someone explain,

 

How does naming a release SP2 compare to SP1 has a version number increment
of 0.0.03?

 

2014 SP1 = 12.1.94

2014 SP2 = 12.1.99

 

Should itnot  have been at least 12.2.xx?

 

You can blame my code but I always have relied on point version to
differenciate versions.In this case they both return 12.1. 

 

It has always been consistent at least since 2010. Why different now?

 

Hans

Re: SP2

[Raffaele Fragapane]

An SP and a hotfix are a million miles apart, and there is a definition to
both, and their impact on software versioning IS important when you have to
manage the software park.

A hotfix is an emergency patching deployed (potentially and often with
little testing) to immediately fix something in place with little regard
for side effects because the issue is blocking. An SP is a pack, it
polishes and tests against regression several fixes before being
distributed. Very, very big difference there.

Given SPs are on an if-needed basis you don't epxect them to be affected by
marketing, and in fact they aren't nor have ever been, especially for Soft.
Sales (not marketing) might leverage the SP and ext releases as a benefit
of subscription, but given their release isn't guaranteed they are more of
an engineering and damage containment call than anything. It wasn't
marketing going hey, we need a new snazzy release to have something to
talk about this Siggraph prompting the SP, it was a bunch of users in beta
pointing out there were regressions that, in many cases, were blocking.

I agree with Hans that if the versioning pattern has changed that's an
issue, and Soft should be made aware of it so that they stick to their own
conventions again in the future.

WTF happened to the list the last two weeks? I understand uncertainty and
consequential resentment towards AD given their lack of official
communication, but since when does that warrant a barrage of unfounded and
insulting statements? This place used to be a lot better than that.



On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 7:57 AM, Sven Constable sixsi_l...@imagefront.dewrote:

 Naming software after their correct versions sells them not quite as good
 as numbers in years for example. At least for the people in marketing
 devisions. The fact that versioning was (and is) always strictly ruled by
 certain changes,  is something marketing monkeys seems to have a problem
 with. Some companies name their updates regardless of the correct
 versioning evolvement. Very unprofessional, to say the least.

 Besides this example of the unclear naming, the service pack versioning
 you meantioned may be ok since it's a SP and could be considered as a
 hotfix. I think AD would't call it a hotfix, because it doesn't sells
 very well. Furthermore, a SP isn't a term inside the versioning
 convention you're talking about. Basically it doesn't mean something at
 all. So I think a SP can be anything, doesn't matter what or what not it is
 including.

 ** **

 sven

 ** **

 *From:* softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [
 mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.comsoftimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com]
 *On Behalf Of *Hans Payer
 *Sent:* Monday, July 29, 2013 10:37 PM
 *To:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
 *Subject:* SP2

 ** **

 Please someone explain,

 ** **

 How does naming a release SP2 compare to SP1 has a version number
 increment of 0.0.03?

 ** **

 2014 SP1 = 12.1.94

 2014 SP2 = 12.1.99

 ** **

 Should itnot  have been at least 12.2.xx?

 ** **

 You can blame my code but I always have relied on point version to
 differenciate versions.In this case they both return 12.1. 

 ** **

 It has always been consistent at least since 2010. Why different now?

 ** **

 Hans




-- 
Our users will know fear and cower before our software! Ship it! Ship it
and let them flee like the dogs they are!

RE: SP2

[Sven Constable]

My statement was a bit generic. I apologize for that. But the SP2 for 2014
includes two bugfixes. I would call that a hotfix.

 

From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Raffaele
Fragapane
Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2013 12:13 AM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: Re: SP2

 

An SP and a hotfix are a million miles apart, and there is a definition to
both, and their impact on software versioning IS important when you have to
manage the software park.

 

A hotfix is an emergency patching deployed (potentially and often with
little testing) to immediately fix something in place with little regard for
side effects because the issue is blocking. An SP is a pack, it polishes and
tests against regression several fixes before being distributed. Very, very
big difference there.

 

Given SPs are on an if-needed basis you don't epxect them to be affected by
marketing, and in fact they aren't nor have ever been, especially for Soft.
Sales (not marketing) might leverage the SP and ext releases as a benefit of
subscription, but given their release isn't guaranteed they are more of an
engineering and damage containment call than anything. It wasn't marketing
going hey, we need a new snazzy release to have something to talk about
this Siggraph prompting the SP, it was a bunch of users in beta pointing
out there were regressions that, in many cases, were blocking.

 

I agree with Hans that if the versioning pattern has changed that's an
issue, and Soft should be made aware of it so that they stick to their own
conventions again in the future.

 

WTF happened to the list the last two weeks? I understand uncertainty and
consequential resentment towards AD given their lack of official
communication, but since when does that warrant a barrage of unfounded and
insulting statements? This place used to be a lot better than that.

 

 

On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 7:57 AM, Sven Constable sixsi_l...@imagefront.de
wrote:

Naming software after their correct versions sells them not quite as good as
numbers in years for example. At least for the people in marketing
devisions. The fact that versioning was (and is) always strictly ruled by
certain changes,  is something marketing monkeys seems to have a problem
with. Some companies name their updates regardless of the correct versioning
evolvement. Very unprofessional, to say the least.

Besides this example of the unclear naming, the service pack versioning you
meantioned may be ok since it's a SP and could be considered as a
hotfix. I think AD would't call it a hotfix, because it doesn't sells very
well. Furthermore, a SP isn't a term inside the versioning convention you're
talking about. Basically it doesn't mean something at all. So I think a SP
can be anything, doesn't matter what or what not it is including.

 

sven

 

From:  mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com
softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [
mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com
mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Hans Payer
Sent: Monday, July 29, 2013 10:37 PM
To:  mailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: SP2

 

Please someone explain,

 

How does naming a release SP2 compare to SP1 has a version number increment
of 0.0.03?

 

2014 SP1 = 12.1.94

2014 SP2 = 12.1.99

 

Should itnot  have been at least 12.2.xx?

 

You can blame my code but I always have relied on point version to
differenciate versions.In this case they both return 12.1. 

 

It has always been consistent at least since 2010. Why different now?

 

Hans





 

-- 
Our users will know fear and cower before our software! Ship it! Ship it and
let them flee like the dogs they are!

Re: SP2

[Luc-Eric Rousseau]

looks alright to me.

the build number change tell me SP2 is indistinguishable from SP1
except it's got some code change that caused 5 builds but dont affect
API or scene file. However, if SP1 is indeed a 11.1 instead of 11.0,
then there must have been API change or something that affects the
version of the scene file.

you can see other examples of build numbers here..
http://xsisupport.com/2012/07/18/softimage-build-versions

2011 SP2 changed persistence. goddamn shader persistance bug and the
only time we've done a SP2 at ADSK


On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 4:37 PM, Hans Payer hanspa...@gmail.com wrote:
 0.0.05 rather


 On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 4:36 PM, Hans Payer hanspa...@gmail.com wrote:

 Please someone explain,

 How does naming a release SP2 compare to SP1 has a version number
 increment of 0.0.03?

 2014 SP1 = 12.1.94
 2014 SP2 = 12.1.99

 Should itnot  have been at least 12.2.xx?

 You can blame my code but I always have relied on point version to
 differenciate versions.In this case they both return 12.1.

 It has always been consistent at least since 2010. Why different now?

Re: SP2

[Raffaele Fragapane]

Well, my apologies too, the e-mail was likely way too snappy.
It's just I'm getting very, very tired of seeing mailing lists turning so
dark. What prominent private lists there are see every industry discussion
quickly turn into union VS anti-union, or subsidies discussions or the
inactions of VES.

What technical lists there are have every other thread about roadmaps or
features or issues quickly turn from potentially useful discussion and
fixes/workarounds into giving AD some lip and blaming various unrelated
departments for how bad they are at some thing or another, and the original
issues and any related discussions quickly thin out.

I'm not an AD apologist, and there are plenty threads and cases where I
think a healthy dose of reality and telling them how you feel has its
place, just it can't be every other thread IMO, and not as aggressively as
we some times do it, especially recently (it's only by some thick skin that
some AD employees are still posting IMO, and I'd really rather not lose
their contributions).

Now, as I'm doing exactly what I'm complaining about, I'll quietly bow out
and let it be about versions again.

On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 8:31 AM, Sven Constable sixsi_l...@imagefront.dewrote:

 My statement was a bit generic. I apologize for that. But the SP2 for 2014
 includes two bugfixes. I would call that a hotfix.

Re: SP2

[Nicolas Burtnyk]

2014 SP2 *does* have API changes, even to the extent that plugins compiled
against 2014 SP1 are not loadable in 2014 SP2.

Our installer got broken by the weirdness in version numbers.  In all
versions back to 2011 (and probably before that), the minor version
referred to the SP#, i.e. 2011 SP2 is 9.2..  The SAPs start at minor
version 5, with a similar +1 on the minor for SPs, e.g. 2011 SAP SP1 is
9.6..

So I agree that the version number is wrong for 2014 SP2.




On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 3:41 PM, Luc-Eric Rousseau luceri...@gmail.comwrote:

 looks alright to me.

 the build number change tell me SP2 is indistinguishable from SP1
 except it's got some code change that caused 5 builds but dont affect
 API or scene file. However, if SP1 is indeed a 11.1 instead of 11.0,
 then there must have been API change or something that affects the
 version of the scene file.

 you can see other examples of build numbers here..
 http://xsisupport.com/2012/07/18/softimage-build-versions

 2011 SP2 changed persistence. goddamn shader persistance bug and the
 only time we've done a SP2 at ADSK


 On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 4:37 PM, Hans Payer hanspa...@gmail.com wrote:
  0.0.05 rather
 
 
  On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 4:36 PM, Hans Payer hanspa...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  Please someone explain,
 
  How does naming a release SP2 compare to SP1 has a version number
  increment of 0.0.03?
 
  2014 SP1 = 12.1.94
  2014 SP2 = 12.1.99
 
  Should itnot  have been at least 12.2.xx?
 
  You can blame my code but I always have relied on point version to
  differenciate versions.In this case they both return 12.1.
 
  It has always been consistent at least since 2010. Why different now?

RE: SP2

[Nick Angus]

Thanks Luc-Eric, the build number link is really useful!

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From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com 
[softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] on behalf of Luc-Eric Rousseau 
[luceri...@gmail.com]
Sent: 30 July 2013 08:41
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: Re: SP2

looks alright to me.

the build number change tell me SP2 is indistinguishable from SP1
except it's got some code change that caused 5 builds but dont affect
API or scene file. However, if SP1 is indeed a 11.1 instead of 11.0,
then there must have been API change or something that affects the
version of the scene file.

you can see other examples of build numbers here..
http://xsisupport.com/2012/07/18/softimage-build-versions

2011 SP2 changed persistence. goddamn shader persistance bug and the
only time we've done a SP2 at ADSK


On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 4:37 PM, Hans Payer hanspa...@gmail.com wrote:
 0.0.05 rather


 On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 4:36 PM, Hans Payer hanspa...@gmail.com wrote:

 Please someone explain,

 How does naming a release SP2 compare to SP1 has a version number
 increment of 0.0.03?

 2014 SP1 = 12.1.94
 2014 SP2 = 12.1.99

 Should itnot  have been at least 12.2.xx?

 You can blame my code but I always have relied on point version to
 differenciate versions.In this case they both return 12.1.

 It has always been consistent at least since 2010. Why different now?