Re: Wise up

[Leo Quensel]

Am 3/16/2014 10:05 PM, schrieb Christian Gotzinger:
On Sun, Mar 16, 2014 at 2:30 AM, David Saber > wrote:


If Ad asks you to leave your young beautiful wife, and choose your
fat ugly mother in law instead, would you accept?


Well, to be fair, Autodesk are promising to apply many layers of 
makeup to her face and make her use the treadmill twice a week. Also, 
many many older men are lusting after the rich in-law. Can't you see 
that she's better for you?


"Autodesk promising" should ring all alarm bells.

Re: Wise up

[Christian Gotzinger]

On Sun, Mar 16, 2014 at 2:30 AM, David Saber  wrote:

> If Ad asks you to leave your young beautiful wife, and choose your fat
> ugly mother in law instead, would you accept?
>

Well, to be fair, Autodesk are promising to apply many layers of makeup to
her face and make her use the treadmill twice a week. Also, many many older
men are lusting after the rich in-law. Can't you see that she's better for
you?

Re: Wise up

[Tenshi Sama]

Is the same i think! I support your statement sir.
I hate when people *bow to the master so easily*, and they forgive they
have the right to *FIGHT*, and be *ANGER*. That energy could be the bridge
that move us forward to do SOMETHING to save Softimage; but we need a good
representative for all of this.

We've already used the "good" path hoping Autode$k clean this mess!!!
And if they listen they will throw a good alternative(a new 3D software) or
that they'll keep Softimage alive forever(we gave them choices). Now we
need to wait till tomorrow *"March 17, 2014, at 12 noon EST" *for the live
Q&A webinar; and i hope they say something positive. If Not, there's only
the "bad" path. Who are the ones willing to take it?

Again, i leave this video here, and to Autode$k. NO MORE LIES.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RzNyKXFvJNQ


On Sat, Mar 15, 2014 at 8:30 PM, David Saber  wrote:

>  I read all these threads and the general feeling I get is: people are
> accepting what's happening... But didn't we accept too much since 2008?
>
> AD acquisition, AD not promoting Softimage, AD kicking Softimage's
> original developers: for all these slaps, we grumbled then we accepted. Now
> AD kills Softimage: we grumble then we accept! We're even helping AD to
> improve Maya!
>
> The last request to AD from our community is to keep Softimage half alive
> with some small fixes from time to time. I have a question for those who
> requested it: if AD grants you that, and if Softimage becomes a stagnant
> living dead app, will you be happy? Will you thank AD for that?
>
> Now AD says with some workflow ideas from Softimage, the future of Maya is
> bright (click). Do you buy it? Can they do it? A true nonlinear workflow? A
> modern GUI where everything is drag and droppable? A render region? An
> explorer so complete? A true animation mixer?
>
> If Ad asks you to leave your young beautiful wife, and choose your fat
> ugly mother in law instead, would you accept?
>
> Why not keeping Softimage's development instead! It already has a solid
> ground for improvements. When V7 came out and ICE was making a lot of buzz,
> who in this community would have thought our software of choice (and us)
> would head for this situation? It's like XSI was an orphan child, adopted
> by some cold, silent parents, who do not understand his talent or even his
> culture. They see no use for him so they kill him.
>
> Enough! Screw the fifth stage of grief! Acceptance? What AD is doing is
> NOT acceptable. Everyone should go back to stage 2: RAGE. I'd just like to
> see more fighting spirit here. Something should be possible to stop this
> madness and to bring XSI back to the time it was dazzling everyone. The
> open letters and Pooby's project are great initiatives. These days I'm
> contacting all my friends to ask them to sign the petition. Perhaps I'm
> unrealistic, but I can't let XSI die without a fight.
>
> David
>

Re: Wise up

[Sebastien Sterling]

A young Post graduate from my old animation course, recently shared  the
maya Comet resource page, excitedly proclaiming

all the great extra functionality he had found.


functions such as... :


   - *autoTangent* - Animation utility for nicely smoothing tangents but
   without overshoot.
   - *cometAttrEditor* - Quick attribute utility to re-order attrs up or
   down in the channel box.
   - *cometJointOrient* - Complete Joint Orient script for properly setting
   up joint axis
   - *cometMenu* - Builds a menu for all of the scripts found here.
   - *cometMirrorMesh* - Modeling util for polygon point mirroring,
   selecting, storing and more. Good for blendshape creation. Requires my free
   PoseDeformer plugin as it uses one of the nodes.
   - *cometRename* - Nice rename utility with complete Search/Replace,
   Prefix, Suffix and AutoNumbering.
   - *cometSaveWeights* - Save and Reload skin weights by point order or
   point position.
   - *cometSkinWeight* - A nice simple UI for setting weights without
   having to use the Component Editor.
   - *cometTransferWeights* - Transfer skin weights from one or more joints
   onto another.
   - *libBubbleSort* - MEL Library routines for custom bubble sort and
   comparison procs
   - *libMirror* - MEL Library routines for mirroring object transforms.
   - *libSkin* - MEL Library routines for working with skinClusters.
   - *libString* - MEL Library routines for working with strings.
   - *mirrorSelX/Y/Z* - Mirrors control objects for rotation behavior
   - *offsetConstraint* - Lets you set up a Point or Orient contraint
   keeping offsets using an extra group.
   - *snaps* - Basic snapping routines for snapping one object onto
   another.
   - *toggleAffected* - Toggles the pink Maya display of affected nodes in
   the viewport.
   - *toggleIsolateSelect* - Quick way to isolate select objects off and on
   in a viewport.
   - *toggleWireframeOnShaded* - Toggles a viewports wireframe on shaded
   display.
   - *toggleXRay* - Toggles a viewports XRay display.
   - *wireShape* - Builds a number of custom control curve shapes.
   - *zeroOut* - Zero out controls/transforms by inserting an extra group
   in the hierarchy.

Maya Plug-Ins

*PLEASE NOTE: I am not supporting these plug-ins past Maya version 8.0. I
do not have compiles for Maya 8.5, 2008 or after, if you wish to use it
with these versions you must compile it yourself.*

Posted in the complete incomprehension, that these features missing from
Maya, is not a good thing.

I remember exhibiting a similar thrill when having managed to create my own
MEL pivot align script,

until it hit me that i had just spent half a day creating compensations for
a pre-existing feature universally

accepted and integrated in every other DCC nae CAD nae PPS in the World !
...FOREVER !!!

I have not checked but how many of these simple as fuck features have made
there way into Maya 2015 release ?


On 16 March 2014 02:23, Eric Thivierge  wrote:

> Hahaha, this list needs more Brad. It's been a sad sight with your
> absence. :)
>
> 
> Eric Thivierge
> http://www.ethivierge.com
>
>
> On Sat, Mar 15, 2014 at 9:40 PM, Bradley Gabe  wrote:
>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mTv1Dmu5CYc&t=0m33s
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Mar 15, 2014 at 8:30 PM, David Saber  wrote:
>>
>>>  I read all these threads and the general feeling I get is: people are
>>> accepting what's happening... But didn't we accept too much since 2008?
>>>
>>> AD acquisition, AD not promoting Softimage, AD kicking Softimage's
>>> original developers: for all these slaps, we grumbled then we accepted. Now
>>> AD kills Softimage: we grumble then we accept! We're even helping AD to
>>> improve Maya!
>>>
>>> The last request to AD from our community is to keep Softimage half
>>> alive with some small fixes from time to time. I have a question for those
>>> who requested it: if AD grants you that, and if Softimage becomes a
>>> stagnant living dead app, will you be happy? Will you thank AD for that?
>>>
>>> Now AD says with some workflow ideas from Softimage, the future of Maya
>>> is bright (click). Do you buy it? Can they do it? A true nonlinear
>>> workflow? A modern GUI where everything is drag and droppable? A render
>>> region? An explorer so complete? A true animation mixer?
>>>
>>> If Ad asks you to leave your young beautiful wife, and choose your fat
>>> ugly mother in law instead, would you accept?
>>>
>>> Why not keeping Softimage's development instead! It already has a solid
>>> ground for improvements. When V7 came out and ICE was making a lot of buzz,
>>> who in this community would have thought our software of choice (and us)
>>> would head for this situation? It's like XSI was an orphan child, adopted
>>> by some cold, silent parents, who do not understand his talent or even his
>>> culture. They see no use for him so they kill him.
>>>
>>> Enough! Screw the fifth stage of grief! Acceptance? What AD is doing is
>>> NOT

Re: Wise up

[Eric Thivierge]

Hahaha, this list needs more Brad. It's been a sad sight with your absence.
:)


Eric Thivierge
http://www.ethivierge.com


On Sat, Mar 15, 2014 at 9:40 PM, Bradley Gabe  wrote:

> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mTv1Dmu5CYc&t=0m33s
>
>
>
> On Sat, Mar 15, 2014 at 8:30 PM, David Saber  wrote:
>
>>  I read all these threads and the general feeling I get is: people are
>> accepting what's happening... But didn't we accept too much since 2008?
>>
>> AD acquisition, AD not promoting Softimage, AD kicking Softimage's
>> original developers: for all these slaps, we grumbled then we accepted. Now
>> AD kills Softimage: we grumble then we accept! We're even helping AD to
>> improve Maya!
>>
>> The last request to AD from our community is to keep Softimage half alive
>> with some small fixes from time to time. I have a question for those who
>> requested it: if AD grants you that, and if Softimage becomes a stagnant
>> living dead app, will you be happy? Will you thank AD for that?
>>
>> Now AD says with some workflow ideas from Softimage, the future of Maya
>> is bright (click). Do you buy it? Can they do it? A true nonlinear
>> workflow? A modern GUI where everything is drag and droppable? A render
>> region? An explorer so complete? A true animation mixer?
>>
>> If Ad asks you to leave your young beautiful wife, and choose your fat
>> ugly mother in law instead, would you accept?
>>
>> Why not keeping Softimage's development instead! It already has a solid
>> ground for improvements. When V7 came out and ICE was making a lot of buzz,
>> who in this community would have thought our software of choice (and us)
>> would head for this situation? It's like XSI was an orphan child, adopted
>> by some cold, silent parents, who do not understand his talent or even his
>> culture. They see no use for him so they kill him.
>>
>> Enough! Screw the fifth stage of grief! Acceptance? What AD is doing is
>> NOT acceptable. Everyone should go back to stage 2: RAGE. I'd just like to
>> see more fighting spirit here. Something should be possible to stop this
>> madness and to bring XSI back to the time it was dazzling everyone. The
>> open letters and Pooby's project are great initiatives. These days I'm
>> contacting all my friends to ask them to sign the petition. Perhaps I'm
>> unrealistic, but I can't let XSI die without a fight.
>>
>> David
>>
>
>

Re: Wise up

[Meng-Yang Lu]

Maybe bad form considering the host of this list...but I agree.

Maya cannot do all the things you've asked.  Even with the promises to
bring it up to speed, what governing factor (now that we've aired all the
dirty laundry about M&E percentages) will hold them to their promise?
 Money?  Nope.  Their word?  Comedy gold.

I'm trying to be realistic as possible here.  We need to find a partnership
where our tools and focus is a MAJORITY of the developer's market, not a
tiny fraction.  How else can you enforce that they have our best interest
at hand?  And I'm not just talking about just Softimage.  I'm talking about
everything from here on out and into the future.

I think we need to find a stronger foundation to build our future
partnerships.  It has never been they give and we take.  It has always, for
as long as I've been a part of this industry, a collaborative effort to
create the tools that we feed ourselves and our families with.  It doesn't
matter if you're Maya, XSI, Max, or Houdini.  The feedback, the time spent
mucking around to figure it all out, the development of cool tools from
talented developers, all of that is valuable.  Where do you want to invest
that effort??

I only see two options here for our future's sake.  Somehow, bring
Softimage back.  Or invest the effort we're about to embark on with another
entity.  If you want to get back at ADSK for what they've done, then simply
build a better product elsewhere.  What better people than the ones here on
the list with your wealth of experience to guide an energetic development
team to get this done?  It's going to take 5 years at least to get
Softimage back to where it is today IF all the promises are kept.  What can
WE do in that time?  What's is there left to lose?

There's an opportunity here to evaluate the current and future needs of CG,
and tackle those problems without all the legacy garbage that robs us of
performance and effort.  We have a new perspective of hardware technology
that weren't even on the radar 10 years ago.  Why not aim our roadmap
towards THAT future?

Does this sound absolutely crazy?  Probably.  But you know what else is
crazy?  Killing the best software on the market and telling us it for our
own good.

Time to make a choice...

-Lu



On Sat, Mar 15, 2014 at 6:30 PM, David Saber  wrote:

>  I read all these threads and the general feeling I get is: people are
> accepting what's happening... But didn't we accept too much since 2008?
>
> AD acquisition, AD not promoting Softimage, AD kicking Softimage's
> original developers: for all these slaps, we grumbled then we accepted. Now
> AD kills Softimage: we grumble then we accept! We're even helping AD to
> improve Maya!
>
> The last request to AD from our community is to keep Softimage half alive
> with some small fixes from time to time. I have a question for those who
> requested it: if AD grants you that, and if Softimage becomes a stagnant
> living dead app, will you be happy? Will you thank AD for that?
>
> Now AD says with some workflow ideas from Softimage, the future of Maya is
> bright (click). Do you buy it? Can they do it? A true nonlinear workflow? A
> modern GUI where everything is drag and droppable? A render region? An
> explorer so complete? A true animation mixer?
>
> If Ad asks you to leave your young beautiful wife, and choose your fat
> ugly mother in law instead, would you accept?
>
> Why not keeping Softimage's development instead! It already has a solid
> ground for improvements. When V7 came out and ICE was making a lot of buzz,
> who in this community would have thought our software of choice (and us)
> would head for this situation? It's like XSI was an orphan child, adopted
> by some cold, silent parents, who do not understand his talent or even his
> culture. They see no use for him so they kill him.
>
> Enough! Screw the fifth stage of grief! Acceptance? What AD is doing is
> NOT acceptable. Everyone should go back to stage 2: RAGE. I'd just like to
> see more fighting spirit here. Something should be possible to stop this
> madness and to bring XSI back to the time it was dazzling everyone. The
> open letters and Pooby's project are great initiatives. These days I'm
> contacting all my friends to ask them to sign the petition. Perhaps I'm
> unrealistic, but I can't let XSI die without a fight.
>
> David
>

Re: Wise up

[Bradley Gabe]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mTv1Dmu5CYc&t=0m33s


On Sat, Mar 15, 2014 at 8:30 PM, David Saber  wrote:

>  I read all these threads and the general feeling I get is: people are
> accepting what's happening... But didn't we accept too much since 2008?
>
> AD acquisition, AD not promoting Softimage, AD kicking Softimage's
> original developers: for all these slaps, we grumbled then we accepted. Now
> AD kills Softimage: we grumble then we accept! We're even helping AD to
> improve Maya!
>
> The last request to AD from our community is to keep Softimage half alive
> with some small fixes from time to time. I have a question for those who
> requested it: if AD grants you that, and if Softimage becomes a stagnant
> living dead app, will you be happy? Will you thank AD for that?
>
> Now AD says with some workflow ideas from Softimage, the future of Maya is
> bright (click). Do you buy it? Can they do it? A true nonlinear workflow? A
> modern GUI where everything is drag and droppable? A render region? An
> explorer so complete? A true animation mixer?
>
> If Ad asks you to leave your young beautiful wife, and choose your fat
> ugly mother in law instead, would you accept?
>
> Why not keeping Softimage's development instead! It already has a solid
> ground for improvements. When V7 came out and ICE was making a lot of buzz,
> who in this community would have thought our software of choice (and us)
> would head for this situation? It's like XSI was an orphan child, adopted
> by some cold, silent parents, who do not understand his talent or even his
> culture. They see no use for him so they kill him.
>
> Enough! Screw the fifth stage of grief! Acceptance? What AD is doing is
> NOT acceptable. Everyone should go back to stage 2: RAGE. I'd just like to
> see more fighting spirit here. Something should be possible to stop this
> madness and to bring XSI back to the time it was dazzling everyone. The
> open letters and Pooby's project are great initiatives. These days I'm
> contacting all my friends to ask them to sign the petition. Perhaps I'm
> unrealistic, but I can't let XSI die without a fight.
>
> David
>

Wise up

[David Saber]

I read all these threads and the general feeling I get is: people are 
accepting what's happening... But didn't we accept too much since 2008?


AD acquisition, AD not promoting Softimage, AD kicking Softimage's 
original developers: for all these slaps, we grumbled then we accepted. 
Now AD kills Softimage: we grumble then we accept! We're even helping AD 
to improve Maya!


The last request to AD from our community is to keep Softimage half 
alive with some small fixes from time to time. I have a question for 
those who requested it: if AD grants you that, and if Softimage becomes 
a stagnant living dead app, will you be happy? Will you thank AD for that?


Now AD says with some workflow ideas from Softimage, the future of Maya 
is bright (click). Do you buy it? Can they do it? A true nonlinear 
workflow? A modern GUI where everything is drag and droppable? A render 
region? An explorer so complete? A true animation mixer?


If Ad asks you to leave your young beautiful wife, and choose your fat 
ugly mother in law instead, would you accept?


Why not keeping Softimage's development instead! It already has a solid 
ground for improvements. When V7 came out and ICE was making a lot of 
buzz, who in this community would have thought our software of choice 
(and us) would head for this situation? It's like XSI was an orphan 
child, adopted by some cold, silent parents, who do not understand his 
talent or even his culture. They see no use for him so they kill him.


Enough! Screw the fifth stage of grief! Acceptance? What AD is doing is 
NOT acceptable. Everyone should go back to stage 2: RAGE. I'd just like 
to see more fighting spirit here. Something should be possible to stop 
this madness and to bring XSI back to the time it was dazzling everyone. 
The open letters and Pooby's project are great initiatives. These days 
I'm contacting all my friends to ask them to sign the petition. Perhaps 
I'm unrealistic, but I can't let XSI die without a fight.


David